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Offline earthw7

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2015, 10:18:40 am »
gee my old friend Keely has not been on this site for along time,
In Spirit

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2015, 03:01:57 pm »
I am very careful with my words.

I never claimed to be a member of Shawnee nation. I claimed "distant ancestry, or as I put it:
"enough for diabetes and a stroke, but not enough for the casino"

As far as being as journalist, I was.
(Some of you should be receiving copies of the materials that I sent to Al.)
Stroke prevented me from continuing.

As far as my book of history goes, I always make it clear that I assembled it, using traditional histories, the archaeological record, the geological record, and the climatic records.

Any of you may read a copy of it via inter-library loan.

The book usually sends frauds into screaming that I am a liar, etc, etc.


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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2015, 03:39:24 pm »
I am currently living across from White Hawk's ring here at Newark, Ohio with my Micosukee lady-friend, (that is a Micosukee, not Black Seminole, who was raised on their lands in Florida)
a retired nurse who has kept me going for the last three years.

She does not appreciate the stress you are causing me (my left hand keeps clawing),
nor the time I am spending running this guantlet, time which she feels should be spent with her.

On the other hand (the one I type with) I think that it is worth it.

Why?

Because people of distant ancestry form the victims among whom many spiritual thieves first operate.




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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2015, 03:48:12 pm »
When I wrote ( or assembled) "Man and Impact in the Americas" instead of "Man and Impct in the Ancient Near East")
I did so because I did not want to deal with nationalism in the mid-east.

I forgot that there were 500 Nations.

Since I always plainly tell people that I am not a spiritual guide,
some of you have problems with the traditional histories,
as I am neither a New Age Fraud nor a Plastic Shaman.

Thus I find that I am going to have to kill the myth of the "wandering" Shawnee,
and drive a stake through its heart.


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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2015, 03:57:08 pm »
I am currently living across from White Hawk's ring here at Newark, Ohio with my Micosukee lady-friend, (that is a Micosukee, not Black Seminole, who was raised on their lands in Florida)
a retired nurse who has kept me going for the last three years.

She does not appreciate the stress you are causing me (my left hand keeps clawing),
nor the time I am spending running this guantlet, time which she feels should be spent with her.

On the other hand (the one I type with) I think that it is worth it.

Why?

Because people of distant ancestry form the victims among whom many spiritual thieves first operate.
(My bolding)

There seems to be a conflict in where you live.  On May 27, 2015, you said:

Quote
Quote from: Larry Cope on May 22, 2015, 12:59:20 am


    Hello Ben.

    I live in Ohio and have heard of everyone of those groups at one time or other. Having done research, dismissed each one as fakes and wannabes. I know one sect has acquired and operates Zane's Caverns near Bellefontaine. I think it's the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band. The caverns impressed me, but nothing else.


Hi Larry -

I do not live in Ohio, but I have heard much about these groups.

I was told that Jerry Pope has met his fate, and the United Remnant Band affair has nearly come to end,
with but a few  details yet to be cleared up.

He leaves behind great damage and many victims.

I will have to disagree with both your and Keely Dennison's assessment of the East of the River.

Some of the individuals involved in it have done great work in preserving ancient ceremonial sites
while working under extreme difficulties.
(My Bolding)
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4536.0

So, do you live in Ohio or not?

Offline E.P. Grondine

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2015, 03:58:01 pm »
I'd also like to mention that keely's attack on Jack Blosser and the Fort Ancient Celebration is far beyond the pales.

While the CNO may have trouble with people of Native ancestry mixed with African American ancestry,
they will always be welcomed at the Celebration,
just as they always have been.

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2015, 04:05:59 pm »
I also have a house in Kempton, Illinois, where I have spent part of my year.
I am currently registered to vote there, and is my legal residence.

Offline Laurel

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2015, 07:06:37 pm »
She does not appreciate the stress you are causing me (my left hand keeps clawing),
nor the time I am spending running this guantlet, time which she feels should be spent with her.

On the other hand (the one I type with) I think that it is worth it.
Why?

Because people of distant ancestry form the victims among whom many spiritual thieves first operate.


Poor E.P. Grondine. Poor, poor, E.P. Grondine. I feel so sorry for him. We should cut him all the slack, because disagreeing with him harms his "lady-friend." And this message board is definitely about protecting PODIAs, not Native Americans and their cultures.

If you're not fooling this white woman, you're probably not fooling anyone.


Offline AClockworkWhite

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2015, 08:02:03 pm »
I am currently living across from White Hawk's ring here at Newark, Ohio with my Micosukee lady-friend, (that is a Micosukee, not Black Seminole, who was raised on their lands in Florida)
a retired nurse who has kept me going for the last three years.

She does not appreciate the stress you are causing me (my left hand keeps clawing),
nor the time I am spending running this guantlet, time which she feels should be spent with her.

On the other hand (the one I type with) I think that it is worth it.

Why?

Because people of distant ancestry form the victims among whom many spiritual thieves first operate.
Did you seriously just refer to non-Miccosukees as Black Seminoles? Wow. You have to be kidding me.
I came here for the popcorn and stayed for the slaying of pretenders.

Offline Diana

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2015, 09:35:30 pm »
I am very careful with my words.

I never claimed to be a member of Shawnee nation. I claimed "distant ancestry, or as I put it:
"enough for diabetes and a stroke, but not enough for the casino"

As far as being as journalist, I was.
(Some of you should be receiving copies of the materials that I sent to Al.)
Stroke prevented me from continuing.

As far as my book of history goes, I always make it clear that I assembled it, using traditional histories, the archaeological record, the geological record, and the climatic records.

Any of you may read a copy of it via inter-library loan.

The book usually sends frauds into screaming that I am a liar, etc, etc.

@ EP Grondine, no, you are not careful with your words and you know it. You try to spilt hairs by saying ridiculous things such as "I never said I was Indian" but you said I am 1/8 Shawnee, Lol or in this post "I never claimed to be a member of Shawnee nation", we never said you did. And "you" never claimed to have distant ancestry which is true, you claimed 1/8 Shawnee. And please stop with the insults of diabetes, stroke and especially your racists remarks about casinos. Your whiteness is showing.

Again one more time with feeling: 1. We have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that YOU'RE WHITE. 2. You're NOT A JOURNALIST 3. You're NOT A HISTORIAN

End of story. Oh and one more thing, please stop with all the faux colonial history tangents. They don't prove your point and are not helpful with your cause. They only make you look desperate and CRAZY WHITE.

Diana

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2015, 10:20:54 pm »
I will post these again, this is EP Grondines  GREAT GRAND PARENTS. As you can see Charles Twigg was born in 1842 and his great grand mother Hannah C Twigg nee Hannah Catherine Goldsborough was born in 1861. They are all white and this is from Ancestry.com. Also on Ancestry.com is EP Grondines entire family tree going all the way back to the 1600's. I hope this puts an end to EP Grondines claims of Shawnee/Indian heritage. And his weird postings of him having to search across America for scattered info on his family records, when all I did was look on Ancestry.com.

Also, EP Grondine's immediate family websites and genealogy. Just click on the links.

www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mdallegh/Twiggtown.html

www.twiggtown.org

www.twiggtown.net


Two Hundred Years of Land Records of Twigg Family ...
files.usgwarchives.net/md/allegany/land/twigglandall.txt


A Chronological Survey of the Twigg Family in Maryland File
files.usgwarchives.net/md/allegany/bios/twiggland.txt


Ancestry

Charles Twigg in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:
Charles Twigg

Age:
58

Birth Date:
Mar 1842 


Birthplace:
Maryland

Home in 1900:
Oldtown, Allegany, Maryland


Race:
White


Gender:
Male

Relation to Head of House:
Head

Marital Status:
Married

Spouse's Name:
Hanah C Twigg

Marriage Year:
1880

Years Married:
20

Father's Birthplace:
Maryland

Mother's Birthplace:
Maryland

Occupation:
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Household Members:

Name

Age
 Charles Twigg  58
 Hanah C Twigg  38
 Bertha E Twigg  19
 Maggie M Twigg  16
 James C Twigg  13
 Mary A Twigg  14
 Garrette R Twigg  10
 John A Twigg  7
 Lurena A Twigg  5
 Hestel Pearl Twigg  2
 Bessie A Twigg  3/12


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Hanah C Twigg in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:
Hanah C Twigg

Age:
38

Birth Date:
Oct 1861

Birthplace:
Maryland

Home in 1900:
Oldtown, Allegany, Maryland

Race:
White

Gender:
Female

Relation to Head of House:
Wife

Marital Status:
Married

Spouse's Name:
Charles Twigg

Marriage Year:
1880

Years Married:
20

Father's Birthplace:
Maryland

Mother's Birthplace:
Maryland

Mother: number of living children:
9

Mother: How many children:
10

Occupation:
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Household Members:

Name

Age

 Charles Twigg  58
 Hanah C Twigg  38
Bertha E Twigg  19
Maggie M Twigg  16
 James C Twigg  13
 Mary A Twigg  14
 Garrette R Twigg  10
 John A Twigg  7
 Lurena A Twigg  5
 Hestel Pearl Twigg  2
 Bessie A Twigg  3/12
 

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Offline E.P. Grondine

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2015, 06:04:09 pm »
Well, now that everyone is here.

I as much as I am historian, was a journalist, and am of 1/8 shawnee descent.

And that I have never claimed to be a spiritual guide

And that the people who usually shout at me are spiritual thieves who concoct
fake histories, but now I find you shoutring at me in an effort to thrown doubt on the traditional histories about the Andaste and Shawnee...

The Colonists policy of conquest has been to diviide and conquer.
Thus people within the Ohio Historical Society has been leading other native
peoples into claiming Shawnee remains in Ohio.

If you look back here, you can find my discussion with Oestriecher about his version of both Shawnee and Lenape histories- in particular his claim that the Lenape medewak did not exist, and his version of Shawnee history.

Ostreicher's work has been funded by Lenape cassino interests for years.

So when the manger of the Lenape casino in Oklahoma shows up and tells me that the Loyal recieved that name because they were loyal to the union in the Civil War. And when Brad Lepper seeks Lenape support for the Ohio Historical Society, and promotes the Lenape memory of a "white road", at the same timeworking his hardest to concoct fake native history on the dime of the people of Ohio...

Let us start by examining the Sioux claims. They are based on the Siouxian tribes who lived back east at the time of European contact. for the southern Siouxian tribes, Catawba and Saponi, their arrival was remembered by the Cherokee.
For the Monocan, the difference between Lenape and Shawnee remains are quite well known to the archaeologists of western Maryland, who know them as Monongahela Late Woodlands and Keyser Late Woodlands respectively.

The Sioux (mengwe in Lenape, any other people later used to describe the mingo, mostly members of other nations who were fleeing the colonists such as Chief Logan) who accompanied them are shown by the catlinite flat disk pipes. The documentation of these in easwtern Ohio may be found in Bob Converse's book "The Archaeology of Ohio" a book which Mr. Lepper plagiarized from (either intentionally or inadvertently) and then suppressed.



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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2015, 06:09:24 pm »
As to how the Loyal Band received their name, it was because they did not support Tecumseh in his effort.

They were rewarded with "reservatons" in Ohio, which were later taken from them under Jackson and they were sent to Kansas

The land in Kansas was taken from them following Lincoln's Homesteading act, and they were given Cherokee lands in Oklahoma.

I suspect that those Cherokee were being punished for supporting the Conderacy during the Cicil War, but that is something that I have not looked at in depth.


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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2015, 06:21:00 pm »
The Andaste were well remembered y the historians of many peoples.

For their stature, see Dragoo and Neuamn's "Mounds for the Dead".
The very late "Adena" survival at the northern end of the Chesapeake Bay is well documented.

The Andaste ("Adena" removal is well remembered by the Cherokee.
The final Shawnee battles with them were remembered by the Five Nations.

Besides the Andaste, other peoples in Ohio who used earth for construction material were the Shawnee, (an at that point in time also the ancesors of at least on division) the Wendat (Huron), and the Erie.

The arrival of one division of the Lenape is marked by the appearance of Marksville.


(earthw7 - for Sioux use of Earth to construct structure, visit the Dakota and Red Wing.)

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Re: E. P. GRONDINE IS NOT SHAWNEE NOR IS HE A JOURNALIST.
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2015, 06:26:42 pm »
Re: the paired rings and rectangles -

The rings were used to teach the constellations at the Fall Bread Dance.
The Shawnee rfered to the instructor as White Hawk, the man who married the daughter of the King of the Stars, while the Cherokee remembered him as the man who married two star maidens, two daughters of the King of the Stars.

The ball courts are pretty self explanatory. Perhaps the one at the gold course reflects the 8 clans of the Cherokee, but it is not certain.