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Spandex~Atom:
I thought it would be a good idea to put up something here we could play with and alter. Nothing is intended as 'final', but just as a starting point which can be completely changed if necessary. Please post ideas, corrections, additions etc so we can work this into something that is good to put up on the main board.
Kiesha Crowther FAQ
Frequently asked questions and index of
topics covered in the original NAFPS thread
"Each student must be encouraged to take responsible measures
to confront teachers with unethical aspects of their conduct.
If the teacher shows no sign of reform, students should not hesitate
to publicize any unethical behavior of which there is irrefutable evidence.
This should be done irrespective of other beneficial aspects of his or her work
and of one's spiritual commitment to that teacher"
His Holiness the Dalai Lama (Letter to the Sangha on Western Buddhism)
[changed title of thread from "FAQ" to " FAQ - Kiesha Crowther AKA Little Grandmother" - kpn]
Spandex~Atom:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 04:56:03 pm ---Biographical story / elusive lineage / Who is Kiesha Crowther - Little Grandmother?:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:06:31 pm ---The Tribe of Many Colors:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:08:15 pm ---What the genuine Native American people and their supporters say about Kiesha Crowther:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:22:33 pm ---Fake claims of support from tribes/nations:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:46:46 pm ---Alleged channeled messages in 'Sioux', and direct teachings from alleged Ancestors:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:49:41 pm ---Kiesha allegedly guides several hundred elders in ceremony:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:52:04 pm ---The unfolding belief in a FAKE White Buffalo Calf Woman:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:55:35 pm ---People Kiesha 'quotes':
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:57:51 pm ---Seminars, Workshops etc
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:59:16 pm ---Workshops by Kiesha's friends which echo her teachings (or vice versa):
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:01:20 pm ---Sacred Travel - A profitable enterprise!:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:03:07 pm ---Kiesha's associates and their business:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:05:15 pm ---Kiesha's URGENT MESSAGES:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:06:59 pm ---Letters from Little Grandmother-(Admin):
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:09:22 pm ---Kiesha, the New Age Profit:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:10:55 pm ---I AM the GREAT I AM, I AM!:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:12:39 pm --- Wild Inaccuracies and parroting of 'New-Age' topics.
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:14:36 pm ---Ex-believers and members share why they turned away:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:16:19 pm ---Dangers of simply "Changing the Channel":
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:18:14 pm ---A puzzling attitude towards truth by Kiesha's followers:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:20:05 pm ---Controlling and malicious behaviour of 'Veetkam W. Rentsch'
- Tribe of Many Colors site Administrator:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:29:00 pm ---Transcripts:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:36:40 pm ---Brainwashing elements in the videos:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:38:27 pm ---The Depth of the problem:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:41:02 pm ---Crystals and Crystal Ceremonies:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:47:20 pm ---Web-hosting/design of Kiesha's site:
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:56:31 pm ---Links to sites and Videos
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:58:52 pm ---Kiesha will have a book for sale!:
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Spandex~Atom:
Biographical story / elusive lineage / Who is Kiesha Crowther - Little Grandmother?
Crowther's false claims in her official bio:
"Kiesha Crowther, also known as “Little Grandmother,” was initiated as shaman at age 30 by her mother’s tribe (Sioux/Salish), and has been recognized by the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders as Wisdom Keeper for North America, responsible for guiding the “Tribe of Many Colors.”("I'm the blondest, whitest, youngest Wisdom Keeper all over the whole group")......."
Full text at:
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/kiesha/kiesha-crowther.html
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on November 26, 2010, 09:57:15 pm ---
2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther
Link to video 1 of 10:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4
2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther 2/10 :
(Starting at 5:12 minutes/seconds into video)
"....I carry the wisdom for Nine Pipes. He was a wisdom keeper that lived many hundreds of year- a couple hundred years ago. I am of the lineage of Spotted Owl. (pause) I am Chikala Uchi. (pause) I am Little Grandmother. (pause) I am great grand daughter of Chikala Lota and Chikala Jensen. (pause) I am daughter of Tinjan Chala and Father Mato....
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This is the closest she's come that I know of to saying who her supposed relatives are. Still pretty vague and unclear, throwing out lots of names that sound impressive to people who aren't familiar.
Ninepipes (generally spelled as one word, not two) was a name or part of the names used by several Salish leaders. This was about 100-120 years ago, not "a couple hundred." They were some of the smaller chiefs, not known for being medicine people as far as I know, though likely respected as wise counselors.
If she claims Spotted Owl's lineage, that can be checked. He was from Pine Ridge. There's nothing on the other names I could find online, but saying who her great grandparents supposedly were should help.
I still find it very strange she hides who her alleged relatives are almost all the time.
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikestevens/2010-p/p299.htm
(?) Spotted Owl1,2,3,4 (M)
(1868 - ), #40948
Pop-up Pedigree
Also known as (?) Hinhan Gleska.1,2,3,4 The nationality of (?) Spotted Owl was Oglala Lakota Sioux.1,2,3,4 (?) Spotted Owl was born in 1868.1,3,2,4 He was the son of (?) Shell Boy and (?) Hopper Horse.1,2 He was listed as "daughter" and residing in the home of (?) Shell Boy on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on July 1, 1892 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota ., USA.1 He married Mary Hawk Woman after July 1, 1892.2,3,4 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on July 1, 1894.2 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 25, 1895.3 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 30, 1896.4
Children of (?) Spotted Owl and Mary Hawk Woman
(?) Bloody Mouth b. Apr, 18932,4
(?) Sits In Sight b. Mar, 18964
Citations
[S556] 1892.
[S269] 1894.
[S561] June 30th 1895.
[S158] June 30th, 1896.
Pop-up Pedigree
Also known as (?) Hinhan Gleska.1,2,3,4 The nationality of (?) Spotted Owl was Oglala Lakota Sioux.1,2,3,4 (?) Spotted Owl was born in 1868.1,3,2,4 He was the son of (?) Shell Boy and (?) Hopper Horse.1,2 He was listed as "daughter" and residing in the home of (?) Shell Boy on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on July 1, 1892 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota ., USA.1 He married Mary Hawk Woman after July 1, 1892.2,3,4 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on July 1, 1894.2 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 25, 1895.3 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 30, 1896.4
Children of (?) Spotted Owl and Mary Hawk Woman
(?) Bloody Mouth b. Apr, 18932,4
(?) Sits In Sight b. Mar, 18964
Citations
[S556] 1892.
[S269] 1894.
[S561] June 30th 1895.
[S158] June 30th, 1896.
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--- Quote from: Anonymous 2012 on December 05, 2010, 10:28:36 pm ---FYI - LG on Swedish National Radio - This is a nuance I'm not sure I heard before. The host kinda guides Kiesha into the topic and Kiesha agrees/implies that Kiesha is a channel for 'Little Grandmother'. ???
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=3925&artikel=4135827&play=2705063&playtype=Ljudklipp
Direct URL to audio on this page: http://sverigesradio.se/topsy/ljudfil/2705063.m4a
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--- Quote from: sky on December 17, 2010, 11:07:08 pm ---How many kiesha crowthers can there be from Sanford, Colorado?
Evidently prior to being summoned as the savior of the world she was a humble artist and poet. On her bio there is no mention of her super powers.........
http://www.artwanted.com/artist.cfm?ArtID=22948&Tab=Bio
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--- Quote from: sky on December 17, 2010, 11:41:04 pm ---Having obtained Kiesha's maiden name through a public research website I contacted CSKT's enrollment office @ (406) 275-2750. They have no one, NO ONE enrolled with Kiesha's maiden name.........
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 18, 2010, 01:09:59 am ---http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&searchform=publicrecords
Name
Kiesha Rae Crowther................
--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 18, 2010, 01:38:48 am ---....................DISCLAIMER - this is personal information included on the above website. NAFPS in no way condones the posting of or misuse of personal information such as this. We are merely diseminating previously publically posted information.
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--- Quote from: educatedindian on December 20, 2010, 05:05:57 pm ---Crowther's assistant and longtime friend Jennifer sent a message to one of the members here. In it, Jennifer makes some new claims:
Supposedly they now admit Crowther was NOT recognized by either Salish nor "Sioux" councils of elders. Jennifer in fact admits that Salish elders specifically do NOT recognize Crowther.
However, she also claims that Crowther was recognized as a "shaman" by a single Salish elder named Falling Feathers who, conveniently for their story, has recently passed away...........
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--- Quote from: Superdog on December 24, 2010, 03:14:46 pm ---.........One of the things that struck me....the "recognition" at 8 years old that she talks about happened at a pow-wow of all places............
For people who don't regularly attend pow-wows....it's not uncommon to give some sort of recognition to relatives when they visit the community from far away. It's not a form of "shaman recognition". It's being a good host and treating outsiders in a good way.............
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--- Quote from: Spiral Walk on December 29, 2010, 02:18:00 am ---
Searching backwards online I found this snippet from June 29, 2010
http://www.worldpuja.org/archives/2010-06-29_b/
"""""Recently at the age of 30, Little Grandmother was made Shaman-Wisdom Keeper
by the Sioux and Salish tribal grandmothers -- a great honor. """""
""""Growing up with a profound love and respect for all creatures, Little Grandmother went on to achieve her degree in Animal Science and has worked as a wildlife specialist/rehabilitator for many years.......
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--- Quote from: Spiral Walk on December 29, 2010, 04:44:18 pm ---...I went to a Colorado site that matches Volunteers up with Rehab Center and they said
RE: Slv Wildlife & Endangered Species Rescue Center, located in Sanford, CO. ::
""""Have never heard of them............
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 04:42:28 pm ---RETURN TO INDEX
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Spandex~Atom:
The Tribe of Many Colors
The Tribe of Many Colors website:
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/
--- Quote from: Ingeborg on September 03, 2010, 01:26:35 pm ---...We are the tribe. We are the Rainbow Children. We are the Tribe of Many Colors prophesied to come in the time of great change when the world would receive her blessings, and we the children of this planet would receive our enlightenment....
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....more soon.
--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 04:42:28 pm ---RETURN TO INDEX
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Spandex~Atom:
What the genuine Native American people and their supporters say about Kiesha Crowther
--- Quote from: educatedindian on December 18, 2010, 07:51:47 pm ---Official Statement from Salish Elders Regarding Kiesha Crowther
(click on link above this quote box to read in full)
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--- Quote from: Kathryn on December 20, 2010, 10:53:36 pm ---"You don't stand a chance
Against my prayer
You don't stand a chance
Against my love"
Excellent video in response to Crowther's lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juoD2CdHBAM&feature=player_embedded
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--- Quote from: flyaway on December 21, 2010, 01:40:11 am ---I have been researching this "little Grandmother" and I have to say the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juoD2CdHBAM&feature=player_embedded that was also posted in the revious post needs to be spread far and wide. As First People it is time we join hands and together fight these frauds! :-[
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--- Quote from: SAMy on December 21, 2010, 02:06:50 pm ---The final version of the youtube video for the above text is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbYKpzFfKdE
Thank you shadowfax1920 for posting your extremely EXCELLENT video that everyone who is interested in KC should watch.
http://www.youtube.com/user/shadowfax1920#p/a/u/0/juoD2CdHBAM
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--- Quote from: Ashla on September 16, 2010, 07:38:24 am ---My family is Lakota. My cousin married a Salish and she and my grandmother live in the Flathead. She has shown pictures and video of this woman and her claims, and no one knows her or heard of her. .............She is making other claims about how the Salish in the Flathead has made her a shaman over their people now. This is a lie as no one here hears of her....
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--- Quote from: sky on October 26, 2010, 01:03:00 pm ---EBC has only a handful of Elders. I spent last night talking to them on the phone. They have never heard of Kiesha Crowther. WolfHawaii knows the people I know, he can call and confirm my findings if he wants. I called a few elders this morning as well, no knowledge of her............
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--- Quote from: Ashla on December 13, 2010, 09:07:15 am ---I'm sorry Kiesha. I grew up on the Flathead reserve. All of my family are scattered every where there. I have them from Arlee all the way to Polson, going east to west, and no one knows of you. I have spoken with tribal elders who have no idea who you are. At pow wow, I asked around to see if you were made a shaman over our reserve and our people. I had people laugh in my face.
This is something you'll not be able to clear up in a paragraph or two on your web site. The reason I and others have called you out as a fraud, is because you are stealing from sacred teachings and new age-ing it up. You are combining the ancient teachings with teachings about skulls and the I AM consciousness from the St. Germaine teachings which has nothing at all to do with our culture or beliefs.......................
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--- Quote from: sky on December 18, 2010, 01:29:10 am ---I'm on the phone with a member of the CSKT Culture and Elders Committee. The Culture and Elders Committee protect the intangible cultural resources of the tribes including language, songs, stories etc. The tribal Elder I am speaking with states she nor any other Elder or elder have met with nor do they condone the claims and actions made by Kiesha Crowther......................
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--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 18, 2010, 02:00:23 am ---I am an enrolled member of the Lower Brule Lakota Tribe, South Dakota.
A lot of people do not understand why what Kiesha Crowther is doing, should bother the oyate. As a first nations woman let me try to explain. First off, I have no problems with new age beliefs. I can honor and respect that belief system, but it has no place being mixed in and taught with my red road traditional teachings handed down by my ancestors. We do not subscribe to these teachings of the I AM presence, channeling aliens, digging up and burying crystals, communicating with angels, etc. We also do not sell our ceremonies, or charge for them. It's sacrilege.........
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--- Quote from: oneforall on December 20, 2010, 06:19:34 am ---"Do the names Sun Bear, Wallace Black Elk, Oh Shinna Fast Wolf, Brook Medicine Eagle, Harley Reagan Swiftdeer, Buck Ghost Horse, or Mary Thunder mean anything to you? Well, they should..............
It seems that in time the name of Kiesha Crowther - Little Grandmother will be added to this list..........
To steal from NDN people in any way is such a travesty, as they have died just to keep and to have the right to practice their faith.................
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Contact details of the Confederated Salish & Kootenai Tribes:
Confederated Salish & Kootenai Tribes
42487 Complex Blvd.
PO Box 278
Pablo, Montana 59855
Phone Numbers:
Headquarter: (406) 675-2700
Toll Free: (888) 835-8766
Fax: (406) 675-2806
and more numbers here, entire list
http://www.cskt.org/about/contactus.htm
--- Quote from: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 04:42:28 pm ---RETURN TO INDEX
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