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Frauds in the UK
jergonsacha:
There is an disturbing new trend in the UK: plastic shamans are wising up to the fact that their suspect 'lineages' are under scrutiny and unfavourable comment costs them money as they are unmasked as frauds and fewer punters attend their bogus workshops and pseudo-ceremonies.
How to get around this? Simple! You just make up a lineage of your own that no-one else has ever heard of despite extensive research and appoint yourself the 'Master' of this "arcane knowledge"! See my post on SIMON BUXTON and under CORE SHAMANISM.
This, to me, is even more worrying than posing as a 'shaman'. At least the posers can be unmasked - but how do you prove that a fictional form of shamanism (Buxton's ridiculous sounding 'Bee Shamanism') is made up to make its self-important founder sound like a guru and earn a few bucks? Since the entire system is invented frauds like Buxton can say almost anything and get away with it, claiming - as he does - that the tradition has remained hidden for centuries and he is only now bringing it to light as the reigning 'Bee Master' (sic) and tribe leader.
I think this demands further investigation.
jergonsacha:
Another overclaiming idiot. This one says he can cure "incurable diseases"!
http://www.azizshamanism.com/
Barnaby_McEwan:
--- Quote ---There is an disturbing new trend in the UK: plastic shamans are wising up to the fact that their suspect 'lineages' are under scrutiny and unfavourable comment costs them money as they are unmasked as frauds and fewer punters attend their bogus workshops and pseudo-ceremonies.
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Is there any evidence that that's happening? I don't have a nationwide picture but I don't see it happening. Yet.
--- Quote ---...how do you prove that a fictional form of shamanism (Buxton's ridiculous sounding 'Bee Shamanism') is made up to make its self-important founder sound like a guru and earn a few bucks? Since the entire system is invented frauds like Buxton can say almost anything and get away with it...
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You can't prove a negative. I think the way to deal with this problem is to get people thinking critically about the idea of shamanism and in general, so that more people understand that the burden of proof is on the people who make these wacky claims. That way I think we'll reduce the number of available patsies, thus increasing the number of 'shamans' who will find it necessary to get proper jobs.
questions_questions:
--- Quote from: jergonsacha on July 17, 2005, 03:37:00 pm ---Another overclaiming idiot. This one says he can cure "incurable diseases"!
http://www.azizshamanism.com/
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Peter Aziz is known not only in the UK for his ridiculous practices but worldwide - he practices some strange and rather ridiculous version of home grown shamanism, a mix of haitian vodou, celtic (harner) core shamanism and some sort of fairy shamanism - all nicely mixed in! His so called "vodou teacher" is already know all around the world for her fraudulent practices...
The more we talk about frauds, the more people seam to take an interest in those frauds that are actually exposed to the public! This is something I will never understand! It’s as if the blind are bonding with the dumb! Some no matter how many times you unmask a fraud, there will always be someone following them – even if its just for the reason “to prove you wrong??? and to show that that poor accused soul is “not that bad???…!
Aziz is also associated with Ross Heaven….they both hold the same “lineage??? in Haitian Vodou, meaning that both are initiated by the same fraud!
Heaven has turned against his vodou initiator some years back but still claims to be a valid initiate of Haitian Vodou! All this makes little sense to me! Some people don’t wanna wake up…they like to remain blind and ignorant!
Jill:
Peter Aziz is a published author in the UK, as well as a 'spiritual healer' and runs 'Shamanic' courses that some people of my aquaintance have attended and enjoyed. His 'Shamanism' does not appear to have any connection to NA Traditions, but is a mishmash of things.
A couple of years ago he was featured on British TV as a Healer, and the result of the programme was to make him look very silly. Job done, I would say.
He does charge outrageous amounts for his courses, but as long as the British people believe they can buy spirituality, it will continue.
Here in Britain, people only respect things they have to pay through the nose for. I feel it is akin to the thought that if it's expensive it must be the best, Gullible people will always be sheep ready for shearing. Frauds will always find a welcome in Britain.
It's not that the British public can't be taught this, more the fact that they Won't!
Sorry to come across as cynical, but I am.
Cheers, Jill
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