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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: debbieredbear on April 16, 2006, 06:52:09 pm

Title: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: debbieredbear on April 16, 2006, 06:52:09 pm
Name is Bill Stover. Supposedly a Pine Ridge guy:

 
http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=135939&format=html
 
 
http://webpages.shepherd.edu/fmahooti/Metanexus/index.htm  (at the bottom)
 
 
http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com/2004_07_25_perhapsidid_archive.html  (wonder if the same Standing Cloud ran this one.)
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: kyleklip on April 18, 2006, 12:56:53 am
I am the maintainer of the website http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com, and I can tell you that the Chief Standing Cloud that I have met is not Bill Stover, but Leroy Standingcloud.  He is a wonderful man and is not a fraud.

~Kyle Klipowicz
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: debbieredbear on April 18, 2006, 03:05:29 am
I will take your word on Mr. Standingcloud. I was pnly trying to get info on Bill Stover because a friend asked.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Chutwood on April 18, 2006, 08:57:07 pm
http://webpages.shepherd.edu/fmahooti/Metanexus/index.htm

Build the lodge
"Bring your own light lunch"
Sweat

I think the second instruction about eating lunch pretty much tells you he's not 'real'.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: loudcrow on April 16, 2018, 09:18:25 pm
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/sold-out-on-this-website-magical-event-of-self-discovery-with-native-american-elder-chief-standing-tickets-43349535628?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&aff=esfb&utm-source=fb&utm-term=listing
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: loudcrow on April 16, 2018, 09:20:23 pm
No one from Pine Ridge has ever heard of this man. There was a Chief Standing Cloud of the Oglala:

Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: loudcrow on April 16, 2018, 09:22:04 pm
The organizer has been contacted by Native Americans who have been told to keep their bigoted opinions to themselves as the "Chief" will be collecting money for the poor Lakota women which has been wrapped in red. The tickets are 325 British Pounds and the event is sold out.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 16, 2018, 10:07:25 pm
Name is Bill Stover. Supposedly a Pine Ridge guy:
http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=135939&format=html

All the links in this thread are dead, go elsewhere, or access denied. The quoted one is now here:

http://articles.herald-mail.com/2006-04-16/news/25052922_1_sweat-lodge-ceremony-rocks

Today there is a new thread about "Chief Standing Cloud, Oglala", "Born on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota …":

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5178.0 — Is this also Mr. Bill Stover?
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 16, 2018, 10:19:09 pm
There is a thread some twelve years ago where one "Standing Cloud" is named as Bill Clover:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=702.0

I quote from a link in that thread:

Quote from: http://articles.herald-mail.com/2006-04-16/news/25052922_1_sweat-lodge-ceremony-rocks
S.D. medicine man performs Native American ceremonies
April 16, 2006 | By CANDICE BOSELY — SHEPHERDSTOWN, W.Va.

On a peaceful patch of earth outside of Shepherdstown Saturday afternoon, two ceremonies were performed that some believe could date to when all of the continents were one.

A sweat lodge (Inipi) ceremony and a Yuwipi ceremony, both conducted by South Dakota medicine man Bill Stover, or Standing Cloud, were held on the property of David Levine along the Potomac River.

Both of the Native American spiritual ceremonies began by offering a pipe filled with tobacco, red willow bark and sage to Stover.

Is it possible that Bill Stover now has promoted himself to "Chief Standing Cloud"?
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 17, 2018, 12:09:08 am
Promoter Diane Gower about "Chief Standing Cloud":

Quote from: http://www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/chief-standing-cloud
I am truly privileged to announce that First Nation, Native American Elder, Chief Standing Cloud, will be our honoured guest, for the first time within the UK.

Taken place in the heart of the countryside of beautiful Rutland,  these MAGICAL 3days you will   receive authentic powerful teachings, healing and purification to the mind, body and spirit in inspiring traditional ceremonies shared within and outside the Inipi.

Born on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota and named by family member Brave Hawk, Brule. Chief Standing Cloud from, Oglala Lakota tribe (Sioux) carries his tradition and culture proudly with dignity and honour used by the Lakota ways today.

Chief Standing Cloud an artist uses many mediums to deliver his artwork “Winter Count” form, made up of prayers, dreams, visions and hopes. As an artist, much of this is expressed when he delivers teachings  of the Sundance and Inipi ceremony’s. Chief Standing Cloud is also a Chanupa carrier of the sacred pipe where he delivers prayers to the creator while in sacred ceremony’s.

Quote
You will also during the weekend have opportunity to meet and work with Diane Gower student of Chief Standing Cloud, International Therapist .Shamanic Practitioner and Empowerment and Firewalker Instructor.

Diane Gower just got her own thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5179.0
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 17, 2018, 12:46:44 am
I found some references to Bill Stover as "Standing Cloud" referring to a YouTube video where we see him:

Quote from: http://menscenterlosangeles.blogspot.no/2012/05/steve-branker-review-of-12th-annual.html
The next day, it was time to witness the Sweat Lodge (Inipi) experience. Justin “Bear” Annunziato began the ceremony with the lighting of the fire utilizing the “bow” method of using a stick, string and wood to create the initial fire. Most have not witnessed how to create a fire without a lighter or matches. It was quite intriguing. Then Bill Stover (Mahpia Naijin – Standing Cloud), a Lakota elder, shared some of his many experiences, insights and Tribal traditions. After the “stone people” were heated by the fire, it was time to enter into the Sweat Lodge. Water Pourer, Thomas Alvarez (Sungmani Tutankaska – White Wolf), led the youth and men through this experience. This was incredible as we shifted from the challenges of the wet and cold weather of the previous day into the heat of the Sweat Lodge. This Adventure served as a challenge to sit within the dark and heated confines of the “Lodge”. Like the challenges of the previous day, the youth and men pushed their own and collective limits. Their perseverance to move outside of the comfort level and into the “moment” was incredible.

Quote from: http://menscenterlosangeles.blogspot.no/2012/07/directors-message-for-july-2012.html
I had been invited to attend the Lakota Sundance on the Reservation in South Dakota.  It commences on the 4th of July and runs through the 8th.  I was grateful for the invitation and openly considered attending to support Andrew, Thomas and the others who would be dancing.  I wanted to see Soldier Bear and Standing Cloud and connect with many others in attendance.

Quote from: http://menscenterlosangeles.blogspot.no/2012/05/
We’re including herewith a couple of brief videos as well as a clip from a talk I had with Standing Cloud, a Lakota Elder, and a clip from a 90 minute presentation I offered during a breakout session.

Quote from: http://menscenterlosangeles.blogspot.no/2012/05/two-videos-with-dr-stephen-johnson.html
Two Videos with Dr. Stephen Johnson
Lakota Elder Standing Cloud speaks to Stephen Johnson.
To view this video, click HERE

(My bolding in all quotes.)

Here is the video with Bill Stover AKA "Lakota Elder Standing Cloud" (2012):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iooHk1q7M  (Duration: 4 minutes 3 seconds.)

Is this the same person who works with Diane Gower (2018)?

(http://mediaprocessor.websimages.com/width/282/crop/0,0,230x283/www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/_20180125_143820[1]-2.JPG)
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 17, 2018, 12:50:41 am
Today there is a new thread about "Chief Standing Cloud, Oglala", "Born on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota …":

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5178.0 — Is this also Mr. Bill Stover?

At least I found more about Bill Stover, and put it in that thread. Is he also "Chief Standing Cloud"?
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: educatedindian on April 17, 2018, 10:52:43 pm
Under the name Mahpia Naijin there are some youtube videos. I don't think it's the same guy claiming to be CSC selling ceremony in UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7hP5nE9Uo&list=PLUPAYL0DdkQ-GtsBRqrhxto4T3Vq4kHsT
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR-xn0isGS9HehAUKaPA2Fw

Bill Stover is mentioned here.
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/obituaries/obituaries-for-feb/article_d52ea7a9-d5a2-5396-9fdf-3bd6569d90cc.html
"Angela Rose Gutierrez, infant daughter of Antonio and Pamela Gutierrez of Martin, died Tuesday, Feb. 18, 2003, at Sioux Valley Hospital in Sioux Falls....Michael Cross, Ray Brigg and Bill Stover will officiate over traditional Lakota services."
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: loudcrow on April 18, 2018, 10:30:00 am
Yes, that is him.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 18, 2018, 09:43:49 pm
Yes, that is him.

Maybe I was unclear as to the attached photo's origin:

I found some references to Bill Stover as "Standing Cloud" referring to a YouTube video where we see him:
[…]
Here is the video with Bill Stover AKA "Lakota Elder Standing Cloud" (2012):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iooHk1q7M  (Duration: 4 minutes 3 seconds.)
Is this the same person who works with Diane Gower (2018)?

(http://mediaprocessor.websimages.com/width/282/crop/0,0,230x283/www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/_20180125_143820[1]-2.JPG)

The photo of "Chief Standing Cloud" is from http://www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/chief-standing-cloud [2018], while to see Bill Stover AKA "Lakota Elder Standing Cloud" and "Mahpia Najin" you will have to watch the 2012 video I linked to, or those more recently linked to in this post:

Under the name Mahpia Naijin there are some youtube videos. I don't think it's the same guy claiming to be CSC selling ceremony in UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7hP5nE9Uo&list=PLUPAYL0DdkQ-GtsBRqrhxto4T3Vq4kHsT
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR-xn0isGS9HehAUKaPA2Fw

(My bolding.) This means that educated indian thinks that Bill Stover is not identical to "Chief Standing Cloud".

Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: educatedindian on April 19, 2018, 02:47:43 pm
That video doesn't have the best sound. Does he or his interviewer say in it he is Stover? The video and Gower's photo seem to show different men with different eyes and skin tone. Gower's photo shows a middle aged tanned man, while the video shows an elderly pale heavier bearded one.

ETA: I stand corrected. Could be he's in better health, been out in the sun, or even used tanning makeup. Threads are now merged.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 20, 2018, 12:31:09 am
Does he or his interviewer say in it he is Stover?

Yes, the interviewer identified him in the same blog as where there is a link to the video:

I found some references to Bill Stover as "Standing Cloud" referring to a YouTube video where we see him:

Quote from: http://menscenterlosangeles.blogspot.no/2012/05/steve-branker-review-of-12th-annual.html
[…] Then Bill Stover (Mahpia Naijin – Standing Cloud), a Lakota elder, shared some of his many experiences, insights and Tribal traditions. […]
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: kitekite on April 20, 2018, 04:01:31 pm
Oh boy! This cracks me up! Bill Stover aka Standing Cloud is my grandfather!

Bill Stover is a * real Indian * . He lives on Pine Ridge. He is well respected and many people come to him for medicine inside and outside of the local community. My cousin and I were actually pretty sad to see this on here. It breaks my heart to imagine people thinking ill of an elder who wants to make the world a better place, while unable to be paid for his service. It is a hard life. He takes donations for gas and tobacco, and last time I sweat with him in California, he was collecting money for a new water heater for his home.

He says over and over these days "I am not a medicine man". He wants to give medicine and healing to the people, not through ego.

Where to start with this thread, jeez.
First of all, that photo up there is not him, it is him in the videos. He has lost a lot of weight since then, has been very sick for a while. I wanted to address this "chief" stuff. I am not my grandfather's keeper, but I will say that we must love and protect our elders, because this woman in the UK is definitely full of shit, so my main concern he actually is taken care of when he goes places. He would never call himself chief. I have my doubts that he is the one she is referring to for this weird event in August. Many people try to scam our elders.

"Standing cloud" is his spiritual name, based on a dream. If you have a chance to meet Bill Stover, I bet he would be happy to share this dream with you. It is one of my favorite stories. No relation to the other standing cloud.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: kitekite on April 20, 2018, 04:03:39 pm
Also, to the person who says we don't eat lunch after a sweat: wtf
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: kitekite on April 20, 2018, 06:07:01 pm
Okay and on a final note, just confirmed it's not him in the UK. I wonder if someone is impersonating him  :-X
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: educatedindian on April 21, 2018, 02:16:01 pm
Did some searching and confirmed Kitekite is who she says she is. I also wonder if there's deliberate impersonation or lineage stealing going on. Also, Bill Stover is not that unusual a name.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: loudcrow on April 21, 2018, 11:51:02 pm
The man who appears in this photograph is the one who will be appearing in the UK. He calls himself "Chief
Standing Cloud" and claims to be from the Pine Ridge reservation. The man in the youtube video is not the same man. I am concerned there might be some identity theft going on here.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 22, 2018, 02:01:05 am
The man who appears in this photograph is the one who will be appearing in the UK. He calls himself "Chief
Standing Cloud" and claims to be from the Pine Ridge reservation.

I did a Google Image search with that photo. This is what I found (my bolding in quote):

Quote from: http://www.kcca-online.org/2016Events/SinoAmericanFriendship.html
KCCA’s ‘East Meets West’ Showcases Sino-American Friendship

June 25th was a typical hot summer day, but far beyond usual for one eastern Kansas town. But the sound of Chinese drums, gongs, and singing electrified the city of Ottawa, Kansas, located about 45 minutes southwest of the Kansas City metropolitan area. It was a novel and exciting experience for the well-attended cultural event that ensued in the centrally-located City Park.

Photos provided by Song Guocai

The occasion for this celebratory activity was to mark the end of a month-long artistic presentation entitled ‘East Meets West: Artistic Crossroads of Asia and America'. The art show showcased the works of local painter and graphic designer Hongli Xu and was held at the Carnegie Cultural Center. She is an artist whose work combines a formal background in traditional Chinese art along with the influence of Western and Native American schools of representation.

The Kansas City Chinese Association (KCCA) supported the show and sponsored the closing gala as a means of furthering awareness of and appreciation for intercultural exchange between China and America. Over 250 people in attendance enjoyed the festivities. The result was atremendous success in meeting organizational objectives of engagement.

KCCA’s involvement included fielding a large number of dedicated volunteers to organize the event as well as provisioning the event with needed organizational guidance and material help. Chinese businesses also were intimately involved in supporting the event. KC Granite and 888 Market provided a presence, while restaurants KC Buffet of Shawnee and Tryyaki of Lawrence brought a large amount of delicious Chinese food to render a taste of Asia to the festival goers. Local business leader Benny Lee also turned out to show support for the event.

From start to finish, the day-long celebration was an unforgettable exposé of the close relationship that has developed between China and America. A concert of traditional Chinese zheng music preceded the actual start of the festivities. KCCA President David Cheng and Carnegie Center Curator Randy Endicott opened the event with remarks heralding the long historical bonds between the peoples of the two nations. Local dignitaries included Mayor Sara Caylor of Ottawa who offered laudatory comments to the crowd, as well as City Manager Rick Nienstedt and City Commissioner Mike Skidmore. Chief Standing Cloud of Osage City was a special honoree and offered the introductory blessing to the event.

The KC Drumrollers, a community group from the Kansas City area that plays traditional Chinese percussion instruments, greatly inspired the attendees with their thrilling play of large drums as well as the iracrobatic Lion Dance routine. A The Lawrence Dancing Friends Group of the Lawrence Chinese School and the Jasmine Dance Group gave several awe-inspiring performances of Zhang and Mongolianminority folk dances. A tea ceremony as well as a calligraphic dance also occurred, and singer Liu Na offered a beautiful rendition in song of homeland praise. Native American chants and dancing also gave a multicultural cast to the event.

A high point of the day was a stunning fashion show and fan dance performed by KCCA’s own Traditional Cheongsam Dance Team. Over two dozen lovely ladies exhibited beautiful qipao silk Chinese dresses in a myriad of striking colors while performing in a choreographed and precision manner. It was truly a remarkable site to behold.

At the end of the performances, dignitaries as well as the general public were invited to come forward and sign a friendship wall that hadbeen erected. The works of many children also were displayed to echo the theme of friendship and peace. Last, a kite festival began, and beautifully painted kites flown by families could be seen flying for hours thereafter.

The ‘East Meets West’ show was an astoundingly successful event in terms of bringing together two disparate cultures. It highlighted the friendship links that have existed been Asian and American societies. Through its support to this art exhibit and gala performance, KCCA played a strong role in spreading a sense of amity and positive cultural relations in Kansas.

"Chief Standing Cloud" can be seen in several photos, one is identical to the one shown in previous post, although some Chinese text at bottom of photo has been removed before being reposted by Diane Gower:

(http://www.kcca-online.org/images/2016Events/SinoAmericanFriendship/pic6.jpg)

(http://www.kcca-online.org/images/2016Events/SinoAmericanFriendship/pic2.jpg)

(http://www.kcca-online.org/images/2016Events/SinoAmericanFriendship/pic13.jpg)

(http://www.kcca-online.org/images/2016Events/SinoAmericanFriendship/pic21.jpg)

(http://www.kcca-online.org/images/2016Events/SinoAmericanFriendship/pic27.jpg)

So look further for "Chief Standing Cloud" of Osage City, Kansas.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Piff on April 22, 2018, 01:27:43 pm
The Ottawa Herald
April 23, 1994

Pomona Earth Day explores cultures.

"One guest speaker was Leroy Standing Cloud, Lyndon, who told the students about recently becoming a Chief in the Lakota Sioux Tribe."

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Uploaded here is a 1987 photo from The Ottawa Herald. He regularly did Thanksgiving events at a local elementary school.

Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on April 22, 2018, 03:15:57 pm
"One guest speaker was Leroy Standing Cloud, Lyndon, who told the students about recently becoming a Chief in the Lakota Sioux Tribe."

Same Leroy as this one?

I am the maintainer of the website http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com), and I can tell you that the Chief Standing Cloud that I have met is not Bill Stover, but Leroy Standingcloud.  He is a wonderful man and is not a fraud.

~Kyle Klipowicz
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Piff on April 22, 2018, 03:53:07 pm
Sparks, that does sound like the same person.

Kyle Klipowicz's blog is currently on invite only. Some of the blog was captured on Wayback Machine https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com/ but I've not yet seen any mention of Leroy Standing Cloud.

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There are several people named Leroy Standing Cloud. Also sometimes online people searches mash up multiple people by the same name and present the data as if it is one person.


Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
Post by: Piff on April 22, 2018, 04:08:34 pm
Quote
Born on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota and named by family member Brave Hawk, Brule. Chief Standing Cloud from, Oglala Lakota tribe (Sioux) carries his tradition and culture proudly with dignity and honour used by the Lakota ways today.

http://www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/chief-standing-cloud

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The above somewhat matches this story in Tribune and News, Sept 12, 1974, in the Parmelee News section, by Violet Neck:

Quote
When Leroy Standing Cloud enrolled at an out of state college after his graduation from TCHS last spring, he was indeed determined. He left last week from Valentine for Muskogee, Oklahoma. Mrs. Marcelline Elk Looks Back is his mother. Standing Cloud is the Lakota name given to him by my late grandfather, Benton B. Brave Hawk, thus making Leroy his grandson in the Indian way.
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: Piff on April 22, 2018, 05:39:50 pm
Tribune and News
Thursday, August 1, 1974
in Parmelee News by Violet Neck

Quote
Among participants at Crow Dog's Sundance this week were Leroy Standing Cloud, son of Mrs. Marceline Elk Looks Back and Joe Chief Bear from Hisle, S. Dak.

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The Ottawa Herald
Nov 21, 1990

Quote
Chief Leroy Standing Cloud (of Ottawa) came to talk to them in full Indian dress.
Standing Cloud has been a Sioux chief since last December. He spent the morning speaking about his lifestyle as a modern Indian and explained the symbolic meaning of much of his outfit as well as other 'props' he brought along.
On Thanksgiving, the chief, explained, he will smoke his peace pipe and thank God for all good things in his life.

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In 2014 "Chief Standing Cloud of the Sioux Tribe" was part of a Native American art exhibit in Ottawa, Kansas. He did a smudging ritual to bless the art reception.

Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: educatedindian on April 22, 2018, 09:35:49 pm
LCS on FB. Hasn't used it since 2014 when he was posting some online gambling games.

https://www.facebook.com/leroy.standingcloud.1
Worked at Disabled   Went to He Dog School   Lives in Osage City, Kansas   From Parmelee, South Dakota

People on Twitter and Youtube with the same name don't appear to be him, much younger.
From what I see, he's being misused by Gower and doesn't realize how.

ETA: He's used to general cultural presentations for kids, or in foreign countries. He doesn't seem to know that Gower sells fake ceremony. I'd say our focus should be on either trying to contact him, or making sure Gower does donate the money as claimed.
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: Sparks on March 20, 2021, 03:55:57 pm
LCS on FB. Hasn't used it since 2014 when he was posting some online gambling games. https://www.facebook.com/leroy.standingcloud.1

By now, since 2014, a few posts have been added in 2020.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on March 21, 2021, 02:33:05 am
Now back to Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud.

Oh boy! This cracks me up! Bill Stover aka Standing Cloud is my grandfather!

Bill Stover is a * real Indian * . He lives on Pine Ridge. He is well respected and many people come to him for medicine inside and outside of the local community. My cousin and I were actually pretty sad to see this on here. It breaks my heart to imagine people thinking ill of an elder who wants to make the world a better place, while unable to be paid for his service. It is a hard life. He takes donations for gas and tobacco, and last time I sweat with him in California, he was collecting money for a new water heater for his home.

He says over and over these days "I am not a medicine man". He wants to give medicine and healing to the people, not through ego.

Where to start with this thread, jeez.
First of all, that photo up there is not him, it is him in the videos. He has lost a lot of weight since then, has been very sick for a while. I wanted to address this "chief" stuff. I am not my grandfather's keeper, but I will say that we must love and protect our elders, because this woman in the UK is definitely full of shit, so my main concern he actually is taken care of when he goes places. He would never call himself chief. I have my doubts that he is the one she is referring to for this weird event in August. Many people try to scam our elders.

"Standing cloud" is his spiritual name, based on a dream. If you have a chance to meet Bill Stover, I bet he would be happy to share this dream with you. It is one of my favorite stories. No relation to the other standing cloud.

Three years ago, this essay was published. Suzanne Kite (NAFPS member kitekite (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=8917)) is listed as one of the four authors.

Quote from: https://jods.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/lewis-arista-pechawis-kite/release/1
Making Kin with the Machines
Essay Competition Winner
by Jason Edward Lewis, Noelani Arista, Archer Pechawis, and  Suzanne Kite (https://jods.mitpress.mit.edu/user/suzanne-kite).

My grandfather, Standing Cloud (Bill Stover), communicates Lakota ethics and ontology through speaking about the interiority of stones: “These ancestors that I have in my hand are going to speak through me so that you will understand the things that they see happening in this world and the things that they know [. . .] to help all people.”[Footnote 24] Stones are considered ancestors, stones actively speak, stones speak through and to humans, stones see and know. Most importantly, stones want to help. The agency of stones connects directly to the question of AI, as AI is formed from not only code, but from materials of the earth. To remove the concept of AI from its materiality is to sever this connection. Forming a relationship to AI, we form a relationship to the mines and the stones. Relations with AI are therefore relations with exploited resources. If we are able to approach this relationship ethically, we must reconsider the ontological status of each of the parts which contribute to AI, all the way back to the mines from which our technology’s material resources emerge. 
[…]
[Footnote 24] Standing Cloud (Bill Stover), “‘Standing Cloud Speaks’ Preview,” YouTube, accessed April 22, 2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iooHk1q7M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iooHk1q7M).

The video in the footnote is the same one that was posted by me on April 17, 2018, which is: ""Standing Cloud Speaks" Preview" — Preview of Standing Cloud's session with Dr. Stephen Johnson, PhD.  This is a hint of several upcoming video "Chapters" from the Spring Men's Retreat where Standing Cloud offers his wisdom to Dr. J about life, and his upcoming book entitled, "The Sacred Path"."

I found anther 2012 video in the same YouTube channel (DrStephenJohnsonPhD) mentioning that book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvnv9ejFebg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvnv9ejFebg). ""The Sacred Path" Book Preview Chapters 5-11 New". (Much more text at the video page.). There is a link to the book by Stephen J Johnson:

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Path-Stephen-J-Johnson/dp/0984982000

From there a link to http://www.drstephenjohnson.com/ (http://www.drstephenjohnson.com/), where there is no mention of Standing Cloud / Bill Stover.

My next post will be about the third 'Standing Cloud' discussed in this thread, namely the 'Chief Standing Cloud' who has performed in the UK under the auspices of Diane Gower. I have an update about that person, whom we probably haven't found out about yet, if kitekite is right about her grandfather Bill Stover AKA Standing Cloud not being that one.
Title: Re: Bill Stover AKA Standing Cloud
Post by: Sparks on March 21, 2021, 02:35:36 am
Now back to Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud.

My apologies! The 'Chief' title should NOT have been included here.
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: kitekite on March 21, 2021, 04:58:37 pm
My grandfather has only been sharing knowledge in California off and on, if you are interested in his actual teachings or that from my family dm me. My grandfather lives on the Rez, he’s full blood, don’t know what else to tell you. You are welcome to see my cbid card lol
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: kitekite on March 21, 2021, 05:17:00 pm
(https://photos.app.goo.gl/qAdqcaJkF12TaN3R6)
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: kitekite on March 21, 2021, 05:17:52 pm
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qAdqcaJkF12TaN3R6
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: milehighsalute on March 30, 2021, 05:50:14 pm
welcome kitekite

read much of the rest of this site and you understand why we do this

no disrespect to you or your grandfather
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: hedgerose on April 04, 2021, 10:46:31 am
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V7F2-_CxH0OUtoZL5_9w-XX-XAObVY5w/view) Trying to post an image here from Diane Gower's site, says it is from 2019. URL is: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V7F2-_CxH0OUtoZL5_9w-XX-XAObVY5w/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V7F2-_CxH0OUtoZL5_9w-XX-XAObVY5w/view)

I am a new member of the board, I thought I would try emailing Diane Gower (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5179.0) to ask if she would tell me more about Chief Standing Cloud, I didn't get any information, perhaps should have expected that.

I looked around a bit on Gower's website and there are photos of the person this thread is about, I have copied those to my google drive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13j3jOQ0paB8ikDu6TwVzH0OYyqN_s9uL (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13j3jOQ0paB8ikDu6TwVzH0OYyqN_s9uL) and hopefully the image comes through above. These are from the page https://www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/2019-review-chief-standing (https://www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/2019-review-chief-standing) which shows the person this thread is about with a group of participants and with each participant individually. I have copied these photos to my Google Drive as I know from reading other threads here that web pages relating to people who don't have good intentions often disappear from the web.

This quote also from the above link https://www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/2019-review-chief-standing: "Last year's event we raised funds that allowed us to purchase stationary, for children of all ages at the Give Away Ceromony, at this year Sundance in South Dakota USA.
Funds raised this year and throughout the year during ceromonies with myself, will be going to local Leciestershire Woman's Aid Centre and USA White Buffalo Calf Woman Society, South Dakota."
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 04, 2021, 08:57:00 pm
"Stationary"? Huh? I guess she means stationery. Like, paper to write on. What a bizarre thing to send.

I think they'd prefer phones and iPads and computers.
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: hedgerose on April 05, 2021, 09:57:23 am
Have done a quick web search and there is a "White Buffalo Calf Women's Society" https://www.wbcws.org/ (https://www.wbcws.org/) based in S Dakota.

From their website "White Buffalo Calf Women's Society is a 501c3 Native Non-Profit organization which was founded by our Lakota grandmothers to serve our Relatives and their families whose lives are directly and indirectly impacted by violence. Our community can depend on us for response and support. ?We provide services to victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, dating violence, and stalking. Our primary purpose has always been to offer safe shelter to victims of violent crimes on the Rosebud Reservation."

Just a thought, is there anyone reading this that has connections with the Rosebud Reservation? It might be possible to trace the person this thread is about if they have done other fundraising for this charity locally.

I found a Rosebud Reservation website https://www.rosebudsiouxtribe-nsn.gov/ and have emailed the main contact there to ask if this is someone known to them.
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: hedgerose on April 06, 2021, 06:20:02 am
Following my email to the Sicangu Lakota at Rosebud I have been put in contact with the Sicangu Lakota Treaty Council. They may be able to help and will be in touch in due course, I will report back to the board then.
Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: ska on September 07, 2021, 01:02:50 pm
"Chief Standing Cloud" is the late Patrick Hendrickson, which was already established on this website years ago.  He's not Lakota but did practice the AIM-created hodge-podge of spiritual exploitation that claims to be based in Lakota ways.

https://sun-dance.org/chief-whitecloud/biography/ (https://sun-dance.org/chief-whitecloud/biography/)

My husband (who is Sicangu Lakota) and I (I am not native to Turtle Island) attended the Vancouver Island "Sun Dance" almost 15 years ago. Pat had passed on and the Sun  Dance was being led by someone named Kevin Campbell.  He claimed Mi'kmaq, called Leonard Crow Dog "Uncle" and said that everything he learned about the Lakota spiritual way, he learned through violence.  :(

scary stuff. Mostly white people and tourists from Japan, Australia and New Zealand. a "moon camp" of menstruating women right at the entrance of the "ceremonial" grounds. 

singers learning songs from tapes.  making up songs as they went along, faking the words, not knowing what they were singing, no knowledge of whose songs they were singing, or the meaning of each song or when/why it would be sung.

constant snagging. arbor sounded like a rodeo. they sang pop songs at the drum (not even kidding - Keith Secola's "indian car"). All joking aside, it made us both sad and angry. We left and never returned and I shared information about this on this website many years ago.

There was no respect there but a lot of performance and drama. Don't think this one is going on anymore, but others have started on the West Coast that are just as bad.



Title: Re: "Chief Standing Cloud"
Post by: ska on September 07, 2021, 02:01:12 pm
Sorry, to be clear about my previous post,  the late Pat Hendrickson is the "Chief Standing Cloud" is the "third CSC" associated with Diane Gower and the Vancouver Island Sun Dance.

ska