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General => Frauds => Topic started by: TimberlineWarrior on November 12, 2004, 12:55:38 am
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I was invited to this forum after voicing an opinion of frauds and ceremony thiefs, I see a lot of that here in the UK.
Heres one example;
_http://www.sacred-arts.co.uk/sweat_lodges.htm_
(http://www.sacred-arts.co.uk/sweat_lodges.htm)
Sweat lodges £30 ($55) per head for up to 15 people or host your own and
recieve 15% commision. Thats taking selling to a new level.
I have looked briefly at some I knew of and they're wising up and taking
off
connections to Native Americans. One place even reckons that sweat
lodges/visions quests were indigineous to Europe !!!!!!! lolol
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And you also have Roy "Littlesun" with his "teachings of the oneheart" and "Hopi medicine wheels". He is frequently in the Glastonbury area and I've been told has an enormous cult following there.
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I have traced the organisation representing Roy Littlesun and mailed them this.......
info@soliluna.net
Info please on Roy Littlesun
You claim that Roy Littlesun is a Hopi Elder. Please can you verify this with documented proof. I have been contacted by represantatives of the Hopi Nation and been asked to follow this matter and report to them on this mans claims and selling of ceremonies which they feel are derogatory to the Hopi Nation and against the true principles and represantations of themselves.
Failure to either provide said proof or cease in thse claims and practices will result in further action.
Regards
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Glad to have you here TW. A couple of us will actually be on a speaking tour of Europe this summer including Britain. We'd be glad to hear about which frauds are the worst and the most pervasive over there. And if you're able to get people to quit claiming these are Native ceremonies, or to quit abusing Native ceremonies, we're glad to hear it.
That claim about sweatlodges is one of the most common, said by lots of people who cant distinguish between a sauna with no spiritual aspect and sweatlodges with very different rituals and meanings attached.
We also have a lot of information on Roy Steevensz ("Littlesun") at www.nafps.net. And Pat, our site builder, knows quite a bit about him.
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From the Soliluna.net site:
Universal Reorientation with Roy Littlesun
If your visit to Glastonbury includes a Wednesday evening, you can have the privilege of meeting Roy Littlesun, Hopi messenger and beloved elder. From 6 to 9 pm he offers an exquisite, balanced meal whilst presenting profound universal teachings around his medicine wheel. We highly recommend joining this ever-changing circle in a barn at the centre of the Glastonbury Zodiac.
BARF!
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Hello TW
I'm also in the UK (see my new member intro). Do you mind saying whereabouts you are?
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there is also Leo Rutherfords eagles wing for shamanic studies in london, the Sacred hoop magazine with a whole slew of posers and David berry an 'apprentice' of sun bear
email me for more info, i have been involved in activism since 1973
elija
Vcornelia@aol.com
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I am aware that Roy Littlesun spends quite a bit of time out at Caroline Barry's field just outside Butleigh near Glastonbury. Unfortunately, my new girlfriend (like quite a few people in Glastonbury I gather) is quite enamoured of him.
My girlfriend, Caroline, vaguely mentioned the possibility of us going out to this place for an evening party (to celebrate the passing of planning permission for her straw bale house), so there's a chance I might get to meet the guy.
If I do, how should I approach him and what should I say?
I think Caroline said that he's living at Greinton, which is another small village on the Taunton road.
I'd be quite into keeping an eye on Mr Littlesun seeing that he's living so close.
Robin the Druid UK
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Whatever you ask and he answers (or doesn't, per his usual avoidance of any direct questions) you should record on tape if at all possible, or take notes on the spot, word-for-word.
I'm sure the folks here will come up with some good questions. Here are a couple I would ask:
Why do you think you are commissioned to represent the Hopi?
One woman who supported you for 16 years is now homeless and close to death due to your irresponsibilty, are you pleased to know that soon she won't be around to tell others the truth about your character?
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I appreciate the information about Steevensz, but I'm a little concerned about how your posts will look to his followers when they are made aware of them, which will probably happen sooner or later. If anyone's helped you get information on him, they may unfairly catch the vitriol that will come your way when his followers find out you oppose him, so I suggest you edit your post to remove identifying info.
Expect "You are in league with Evil Powers which want to thwart the Hopi Mission Of Peace and stop the world Uniting With One Heart", that kind of nonsense.
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There is an disturbing new trend in the UK: plastic shamans are wising up to the fact that their suspect 'lineages' are under scrutiny and unfavourable comment costs them money as they are unmasked as frauds and fewer punters attend their bogus workshops and pseudo-ceremonies.
How to get around this? Simple! You just make up a lineage of your own that no-one else has ever heard of despite extensive research and appoint yourself the 'Master' of this "arcane knowledge"! See my post on SIMON BUXTON and under CORE SHAMANISM.
This, to me, is even more worrying than posing as a 'shaman'. At least the posers can be unmasked - but how do you prove that a fictional form of shamanism (Buxton's ridiculous sounding 'Bee Shamanism') is made up to make its self-important founder sound like a guru and earn a few bucks? Since the entire system is invented frauds like Buxton can say almost anything and get away with it, claiming - as he does - that the tradition has remained hidden for centuries and he is only now bringing it to light as the reigning 'Bee Master' (sic) and tribe leader.
I think this demands further investigation.
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Another overclaiming idiot. This one says he can cure "incurable diseases"!
http://www.azizshamanism.com/
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There is an disturbing new trend in the UK: plastic shamans are wising up to the fact that their suspect 'lineages' are under scrutiny and unfavourable comment costs them money as they are unmasked as frauds and fewer punters attend their bogus workshops and pseudo-ceremonies.
Is there any evidence that that's happening? I don't have a nationwide picture but I don't see it happening. Yet.
...how do you prove that a fictional form of shamanism (Buxton's ridiculous sounding 'Bee Shamanism') is made up to make its self-important founder sound like a guru and earn a few bucks? Since the entire system is invented frauds like Buxton can say almost anything and get away with it...
You can't prove a negative. I think the way to deal with this problem is to get people thinking critically about the idea of shamanism and in general, so that more people understand that the burden of proof is on the people who make these wacky claims. That way I think we'll reduce the number of available patsies, thus increasing the number of 'shamans' who will find it necessary to get proper jobs.
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Another overclaiming idiot. This one says he can cure "incurable diseases"!
http://www.azizshamanism.com/
Peter Aziz is known not only in the UK for his ridiculous practices but worldwide - he practices some strange and rather ridiculous version of home grown shamanism, a mix of haitian vodou, celtic (harner) core shamanism and some sort of fairy shamanism - all nicely mixed in! His so called "vodou teacher" is already know all around the world for her fraudulent practices...
The more we talk about frauds, the more people seam to take an interest in those frauds that are actually exposed to the public! This is something I will never understand! It’s as if the blind are bonding with the dumb! Some no matter how many times you unmask a fraud, there will always be someone following them – even if its just for the reason “to prove you wrong??? and to show that that poor accused soul is “not that bad???…!
Aziz is also associated with Ross Heaven….they both hold the same “lineage??? in Haitian Vodou, meaning that both are initiated by the same fraud!
Heaven has turned against his vodou initiator some years back but still claims to be a valid initiate of Haitian Vodou! All this makes little sense to me! Some people don’t wanna wake up…they like to remain blind and ignorant!
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Peter Aziz is a published author in the UK, as well as a 'spiritual healer' and runs 'Shamanic' courses that some people of my aquaintance have attended and enjoyed. His 'Shamanism' does not appear to have any connection to NA Traditions, but is a mishmash of things.
A couple of years ago he was featured on British TV as a Healer, and the result of the programme was to make him look very silly. Job done, I would say.
He does charge outrageous amounts for his courses, but as long as the British people believe they can buy spirituality, it will continue.
Here in Britain, people only respect things they have to pay through the nose for. I feel it is akin to the thought that if it's expensive it must be the best, Gullible people will always be sheep ready for shearing. Frauds will always find a welcome in Britain.
It's not that the British public can't be taught this, more the fact that they Won't!
Sorry to come across as cynical, but I am.
Cheers, Jill
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A couple of years ago he was featured on British TV as a Healer, and the result of the programme was to make him look very silly. Job done, I would say.
I saw it too. I think it made him look like a dangerous quack who blamed a desperate patient's eventual death from cancer on her supposed lack of commitment to his treatment. This because she was too weak to drive a couple of hundred miles to his house.
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Hello, barnaby,
Oh yes, I had forgotten that part. That was bad.
Cheers, Jill
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Having been away and off line, I'm back!
I was browsing Google today (KEYWORD:Sweat Lodge UK) and I discovered that there are now a lot more cashing in. Prices vary from £30($60) to £50($100).
One name thats come up on several is Mike Chirobokow and his wife Tilly Chirobokow. Interesting claims re Mike:
Mike Chirobokow (Lodge Leader) - Na’ To’ Win’ Niso (Sacred Warrior Coming Down) is a pipe carrier and for over 20 years has lived, studied and learned amongst various North American Indian tribes primarily the Cree and the Blackfoot Indians. Connecting and working with the Blackfoot tribe he became the first non-native to become a Sundance leader.
Equally interesting is Eve Gray Wolf,
Eve Gray Wolf runs traditional Canadian sweat Lodges in the traditional way of her own people the Huron. Eve Gray Wolf was brought up in the tradition of the Huron and is also a qualified Seneca Wolf Clan teacher. Eve has run many sweat lodges in Canada, the USA and the UK.
I didn't know the Seneca even did sweats!
Here is a list of the most prominent sites I found:
Alternative green lifestyle, drum, Dance, shamanic, sweat lodge, survival skills summer activities camps festivals.
http://www.sacred-arts.co.uk/sweat_lodges.htm
http://www.campscene-directory.co.uk/
http://www.windspirit.co.uk/sweatlodge/sweatlodge.htm
http://www.thecontinuum.org.uk/Site/sweat%20lodge%20lake%20district%20uk.html
http://www.sacred-earth-camps.co.uk/
http://www.sweat-lodge.co.uk/
http://www.energiesinaction.co.uk/windspirit.htm
More info will follow as I can get any.
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Hi TW - are you in Warminster?..you sound familiar.
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"Aziz is also associated with Ross Heaven….they both hold the same “lineage??? in Haitian Vodou, meaning that both are initiated by the same fraud!
Heaven has turned against his vodou initiator some years back but still claims to be a valid initiate of Haitian Vodou! All this makes little sense to me! Some people don’t wanna wake up…they like to remain blind and ignorant! "
Hello! Wow this forum is amazing, thanks for all the info folks, so Harner is not the real deal nor Heaven? I didn't know that, tho something made me think when I saw an article by Heaven in a pagan mag and he claimed that a tea of vervain chamomile and valerian would produce similar effects to Ayahuasca. Now I have no quals in herbalsim, but have a few books on herbs and even I know that there is nothing in these herbs that would produce the effects that Ayahuasca does. I even emailed him and asked him about it then he seemed to forget he had written that and said he meant they would be "entheogenic"..he tried to get out of it! I mean would you trust this bloke to take mind altering brews in the jungle with if he doesn't even have expert knowledge of UK/European plants?
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Mike Chirobokow - I spoke to this person's wife(the phone number was on the web site) who when I asked if I could speak to the man in person several times either avoided answering me or said he wasnt there(not true)...I questioned her about his selling of ceremony - her answer was that they didnt, they only charged for the "special stones" used for the sweats...uh huh..yeah right! I have a mind someday to take a little trip to Wales -pretty part of the country...
Roy Littlesun - he is a dangerous person - not just deluded but dangerous to women. I believe we have a thread somewhere in the archives here on him. Barnaby - would I be correct in saying that?
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To add to these, I've had the name Bear Cloud come my way a few times recently. All I know so far he seems connected to a group in Wiltshire, possibly in the Swindon area. Claims to be NA but thats all I know at the moment.
From what I've heard he's connected to a group, mainly females, and they do The Medicine Wheel and sweats. The lady who was talking to me about this guy was surprised when I said that she shouldn't attend when in the moon cycle. She had no idea what I was on about, but did admit she had attended when she was at that time.
What the group is I haven't found out yet, or if they charge. He might even be genuine. But my intuition says not.
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Mike Chirobokow...
Roy Littlesun...
There are several threads about both of these people. As to whether Littlesun/Steevensz is dangerous to women, I guess he's no more or less dangerous than any other tinpot fantasist/cult leader.
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I know this is a really old topic, but I still needed to post something about these two (Ross Heaven, and Peter Aziz... the latter claiming all sorts of nonsense but both initiated by a priestess of Haitian Vodou)
Both Kanzo'ed (kanzo is the term for the two week long initiation process) under Mambo Racine Sans Bout, a very VERY controversial Mambo with a very large online following. She kinda sells initiations and creates untold amounts of drama wherever she goes... However, a very great deal in Vodou is placed on the -properness- of the ceremonies for initiation; if they arent carried out to the letter then they arent considered 'valid'. Search for her online and enjoy what ya find.
Many a charge has been leveled at Racine that her initiations are not proper, and thus not valid.
Ross Heaven separated himself from her organization (the roots without end society) after several cataclysmic arguments over his publishing Vodou Shaman... in which She claims he printed initiatory secrets (which of course she cannot/will not further define with any example of what it is he was not supposed to have written about, even to other initiates who by all rights should have the same knowledge of the initiatory chambers)
Not to leave him fully clean, noone knows if he went to another priest or priestess and re-did his initiations... and he too is one who vocally makes known that Racine, in his opinion, is no real Mambo and thus is inherently unable to create viable initiates. (Kinda well, if your mother was a b*tch than what does that make you? scenario) Basically if he claims that his initiator cant actually initiate, than he himself admits he's not an actual initiate.
That said, nothing Ross has printed is 'secret' or really gains him anything beyond standard authors royalties... and the information in his book isnt ever stated "This is the way things are done"; to his credit he admits its "inspired by" Vodou as there really is NO solitary form of our faith. Its not the best book, but it by itself doesnt really fall into a cultural appropriation standpoint. Certainly not the worst thing to have ever been printed about Vodou; worse cultural offenses are found in the Lynn Andrews ilk. While Ross names Haitian spirits/Lwa, these names are common knowledge and nothing secret... plus anyone with any interest in learning what these spirits like only really has to keep their ears open; no secrets there, either.
AZIZ, however... well; I dont know just how loudly I can agree that the man is dangerous and shouldnt be allowed to teach. It shouldnt come as any surprise, either, that he's one of Racine's prized initiates.
(I should also point out that while Im not -yet- an initiate, I am in no way affilated with any of the folks Ive mentioned here... I found this listing under a fraud search and in no way mean any of my comments to be construed as having an opinion on Native/First Nation/et al beliefs or customs which I have no qualifications whatsoever to practice or comment on)
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I see that Ross Heaven's name is listed in this thread under the category of "FRAUDS!" The thread mistakenly leaves one wondering if Ross Heaven is to be considered a "UK Fraud." When reading the other thread which began by using his name and is now retitled " Ayahuasca Tourism and Ethics" in the Research Needed category, Al Carroll, Administrator and Moderator clearly states that Ross Heaven is NOT a Fraud. As a matter of clarity and respect, it would seem logical to remove Ross Heaven's name from the "Frauds in the UK" thread altogether. At the very minimum, there should be a header on each page of that thread which clarifies that Educated Indian and several other members have stated they did not find Ross Heaven to be a Fraud and are now even soliciting his extensive expertise on the issue of "Tourism and Ethics." Sure doesn't look good to have him stranded, one foot stuck in "Frauds" and one foot stuck in a renamed "Research Needed" thread all while asking the man to take on the heroic task of educating us all about "Ayahuasca Tourism and Ethics." I'd start first with the "ethics" of keeping him in both of those categories.
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Hi all,
once again I was away, that together with my pc crashing and also being very ill has meant I'm not able to be in contact as much as I'd like.
I have been doing a little research and believe that the guy Bearcloud is this guy...
http://www.bearcloud.com/
Some of his words and 'teachings' are very familiar to words I heard from my source. That together with the research he has done into crop circles especially in West Kennet, which is very local and fits well into his operating area. His idea of Star Nation and Chameleon Project also seems to fit (http://www.chameleon-project.org/).
I haven't heard him mentioned lately, but one who I think was one of his students or at least connected to him has surfaced. All I know so far is that this lady is called Kate, passes herself as a spiritualist and healer and although 100% English says she was taught and trained by the Mohawk elders. When pressed about this she became very cagey, wouldn't give dates or durations but was keen to sell almost anything, from souvenier to reading.
This lady seems to be running sweats and holding ceremonies somewhere in the Wiltshire/Somerset area. I'll try to gather more but the people connected are being very cagey and secretive.
TW
ps, yes I used live in Warminster, but moved and still in the Wiltshire area myself.
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I'm trying to do some more research into Bearcloud and Kate and in so doing found out that Mike Chirobokow is still coming to the UK and doing sweats..
http://www.windspirit.co.uk/sweatlodge/sweatlodge.htm
This will be happening at this event..
http://www.thehealingweekend.co.uk/index.html
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Hello TW
I'm also in the UK (see my new member intro). Do you mind saying whereabouts you are?
Hi Barnaby,
I'm in Wiltshire and I think we met once at a pow wow near Shaftesbury.
Can you contact me please so I can discuss some info I have and how much is ethical to post here.
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A couple of years ago I heard of a man who runs special weekends near Glastonbury and actually met this man, Bill Harrison. He was a well known and respected healer and madium. When I met him he was very respectful of our culture and ceremonies. Sadly last year he committed suicide. This year a memorial event is being held;
http://www.thehealingweekend.co.uk/index.html
All looks ok. But I have a feeling that among the exhibitors the woman, Kate, who claims to be a Mohawk medicine woman and runs sweat lodges will be there. I have certainly seen a note that sweat lodges will be done over the weekend.
There is a name that it is about time it was posted here, Adrienne Gilbert. This woman has worked with Bearcloud and is one of the main organisers of the sweat lodges with Kate. She has been spoken to and it has been pointed out the feelings about people performing sweat lodges and 'doing' the medicine wheel and her responce was that she felt fully entitled to do so and basically didn't care that she was being regarded as stealing ceremony and ways. She actually mixes many different beliefs to come up with one that suits her, i.e. Native American, angels, tarot etc. She doesn't seem to have any connection to the web and no web site. But she lives near Chippenham, Wiltshire.
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I'm seeking the location that Ms Gilbert and her friends could be holding their sweat lodges and so far using Sweat lodge Wiltshire or Sweat Lodge Somerset into Google I have come up with;
http://www.lowershawfarm.co.uk/events2009/aug-2009.html
Summer Stretch
– including Yoga, Massage, Shiatsu, Volleyball, Walking, and Singing... and almost anything stretchy that you fancy!
28 – 31 August • £156
This long Bank Holiday weekend is an opportunity to stretch, try new kinds of exercise, play games, have fun, and RELAX.
From yoga and massage in the hayloft, to volleyball in the front garden, table tennis in the barn, Circle Dance in the yard, a walk or run along the Ridgeway, a sauna in the willow dome sweat lodge, or a vocally-challenging sing-song round the campfire, there should be something for anyone and everyone of a positive and physically-active nature.
This is a very long weekend for a very active and very relaxing time!
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http://www.sustainablehealth.co.uk/courses/sweat-lodge/
Courses >
Sweat Lodge/Prayer Ceremony
There will be a monthy ceremony around full moon, This will be a prayer, pipe, song, or sweat lodge ceremony. All the ceremonys are traditional. Please let us know in advance if you would like to take part. We ask £25 for the Sweat Lodge as this is required to cover the costs.
Duration: 6pm till late
Dates:
Cost: £35
Ref: SL
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Booking Information:
You can book a place on this course by Paypal or cheque. We will then call you to arrange which particlar date you would like to attend.
Please complete and send a course application form when signing up for a course.
This one add a whole new meaning to Plastic, even taking your payments online LOL
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Lots of info here.
http://www.centreforshamanicarts.co.uk/sweat.html
I note they don't actually mention Native American, but look at some of the contact names!!! Also they claim they don't charge, but... There is a charge for the hire of the venue, cost of wood and other materials. This is currently £10 for non-Lodge members.
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Then of course typing Sweat Lodge Glastonbury gets lots of results, typical being;
http://www.goddessconference.com/content/view/4/8/
TEMASCAL : SWEATLODGE Women Only
With Tegwyn Hyndman
The Temascal or Sweatlodge is an old, old ritual, a ritual of rebirth. It is an invitation to partake in an elemental feast. Firstly we will light the fire together and then journey with drums, song, prayer and dance. Within the heart of the fire, stones are being heated, awakening them to the memory of their first life, the fire of conception. From the fire the hot stones will be brought into the lodge, which represents and is the Womb of Mother Earth, where they will meet with the water. In the lodge we will continue our songs and our prayers in this Womb at this time in this place of Avalon, calling for the manifestation of our dreams, calling our spirits, calling our will. We will open the door within to receive all the blessings from the Goddess and this Goddess Conference, give thanks for our life, calling for healing for ourselves, our beloveds, purifying mentally, physically and emotionally, generating a power, a vibration of woman and sending that love to the heart of Mother Earth, Father Sky and all our relations.
Please bring with you a sarong or light dress, a towel and all the food and water needed for the day. Also a small offering for the fire.
Tegwyn is a mother of three, a sacred singer, songwriter and experienced facilitator of women’s circles and sweatlodges for the last 13 years. She walks as a Priestess of Avalon and a woman of the Red Path.
Venue: To be given in July
Time: 10.00am – 6.00pm
Fee : £50/$80/€65
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All are possible sites, but the search continues ;)
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Here is one I've just found and could well be part of this groups activities, bur there is also a very familiar name, Brooke Medicine Eagle !!
http://www.barbarameiklejohnfree.com/the-calling
They really are branching out, camping in tipis, sweat lodges and much more, once you have paid your entrance fee and made the appropiate connections (Payments) they'll even give you a Native name lol
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I've just found this, several interesting people seem connected....
http://www.shamanka.com/practitioner.htm
More research to follow
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Well there has been an interesting development.
Adrienne has always claimed to be calm, never getting angry, always sending healing and calming energy in responce to any situation and such a perfect!
But she turned up on my friends doorstep this morning and started to ask him about her being posted as a fraud. He wouldn't comment or reveal anything. her responce was to tell him that Kate and Bearcloud think it hilariously funny that they have been posted and sent pink love and healing to all here.
It also transpires that Kate and Barecloud are married by ceremony.
My friend stated that there was nothing to talk about and turned to re-enter his apartment. She followed him and forced her way into his home. He asked her to leave where she refused. He then stated that unless she did he would call the police as she had forced her way in. As he picked up his cell to dial them she slapped it out of his hand and set about him. She's quite a big lady and as she works as a carer she has considerable strength. There was no serious damage done, apart from some hair pulling, bruises and a slight graze. He is pressing charges for assault.
But this shows that these people should be approached with caution as these reports could be met with violence and there claims of peace and love are as false as they are.
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A bit of research using the information that Kate and Bearcloud are married has turned up loads of info and added a great deal of weight to their fraud status;
From Bearclouds web site I followed the trail to his project The Chameleon Project. Especially quoting the Six Nations in his Council of Elders statement;
http://www.chameleon-project.org/elders.html
It didn't take much to work out how to become a member;
We encourage your participation at a variety of levels. The synergy of contributions
will enhance the success of this oasis for humanity.
Thank you for making a generous contribution. You will receive a tax deductible receipt in the mail. Please fill out our Chameleon Project Membership Form.
Following the link thru Corporate/Team players I was able to find a link to Kate Fenn, using google and Kate Fenn egypt I managed to locate her and a example of a full blown typical fraud with all the usual claims and a link back to Barecloud.
http://www.worldwild.co.uk/guest.html
Look about half way down the page to find her including this pearl of info..
While holding regular Sweat Lodges and ceremonies and having a constant working and deep connection with ROD BEARCLOUD, well known for his Traditional ways and lodges on the reservations and wonderful visionary Artwork.
Kate has for many years been teaching through the use of Meditation, Sweat Lodge ceremonies, Vision Quest Healing, and the Medicine Wheel.
"I have always known Kate to work with the old ways,and I know them to be at the Medicine Wheel,and Inipi's (purification lodges). I know Kate's lodges have always been built in the right way and have been learned well over time.It's good to see something in another country go in a good way that is of Native American orientation.In the many years that i have come to England,it has been the same.Kate's teaching i have heard and i know will assist many people in their journey on the EarthMother.It is good for my heart to see,and i wish you a continued sacred journey." ROD BEARCLOUD BERRY, TRADITIONAL OSAGE NATIVE AMERICAN VISION SEEKER AND LODGE KEEPER.
Still with Google I found a crop circle link that posted this snippet of info;
3) ROD BEARCLOUD
Rod has been a soldier at the croppie frontline for some time now, producing DVDs and artworks examining the extraordinary geometry and meaning of crop formations, but this is the first calendar he has produced. Taking a bold stylistically different approach from the competition, facing the obligatory full-size photo of a crop circle, each from the 2004 season, is a circular date grid framing a ring showing the phases of the moon.
This calendar is very much for the celestially-minded, including astronomical and astrological details, and includes sunrise and sunset times at sacred sites around the world for each month. Each quadranted page is packed full of smaller photos, quotes and colourful silhouettes.
Though some of the photos are a little murky in places, this stands out from the other calendars in being a radically altered approach to the expected format, and as such will please those with a more adventurous and spiritual bent.
AVAILABLE FROM:
Rod Bearcloud, Tlaquepaque C-107, Sedona, AZ 86339
Web: www.starnationgallery.com
Tel: (001) 928 282 4940
UK copies can be ordered from Kate Fenn at:
kat@echoseekers.fsnet.co.uk
3 Elder Court, Lavender Drive, Calne, Wiltshire, SN11 ORL, UK
More will no doubt come to light on this pair and their friends. If the teachings they pass on result in example as shown by Ms Gilbert then soldiers and violence can be expected.
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Could you put the material you found in quotation marks or italics or a quote box? Just some way to clearly set their words apart from yours. I want to make sure everyone reading this is clear on who's saying what. Thanks! :-)
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I've been following up on Kate Fenn and discovered this site;
http://www.worldwild.co.uk/ukvision.html
Vision Quest and Sweat Lodges
Location: Cornwall
Dates: 9-11th October 2009
Duration: 3 days
Cost: £200 per person
Not only are they selling ceremony but also the bits that you'll need to take part!
You will need - an eagle feather (or buzzard or hawk), a blanket, herbs - can be purchased separately, white sage, ceremonial tobacco, sweetgrass, a small shell -to burn herbs within a small pipe of your choice and a lighter of your choice.
Once again this couple are adding another dimension to being frauds and doing their best to really cash in on selling ceremonies!
As I discover more I'll keep people informed.
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Received this account.
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Kate Fenn and Bear Cloud
I was in a group of Kates for many years before identifying several issues that did not add up.
It became known amongst a group of us who dared question what was going on as "Love Light and a stab in the back".
So much money went on Egyptian trips, Spanish trips, trips to forest of dean, making sweat lodge etc. However the final straws were Kate doing vision quests when untrained without any concerns for the persons major health conditions taking part- (Spain) and her deliberate attacks on another truely committed and natural healer who did not claim to be a shaman.
She too used Willy Lone Bear, a really genuine bloke, kind, deeply thoughtful.
As for her and Rod Bear Cloud Berry- well, Kates husband must be a saint. Rod was also well known in Glastonbury through a lass called Kitta. He dished up talks year in and out on the sacred geometry as if it was a new discovery and the dvd's cost a packet.
Kate was inconsistant, changing the 'sacred ways' to suit herself and was power conscious- when challenged love went out the window.
In her own way she was a good medium but there was no base value understanding which added up.
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As for her and Rod Bear Cloud Berry- well, Kates husband must be a saint.
This got me thinking.
After a little research I came across
Katherine Fenn Age guide: 45-49
Calne, Wiltshire,
who lives with
Trevor M Fenn Age guide: 50-54
Calne, Wiltshire,
and
Matthew G Fenn Age guide: 17-20
Calne, Wiltshire
It looks as if she lives with her husband and a son. Maybe more, but the source I used only finds people over 18 years old. I do indeed wonder what her husband and son think of her relationship with Rod Bearcloud Berry. It also points to her morals and principals as well as showing how she can manipulate the truth.
I can just imagine her saying I am married to a Native American.
But I bet she never says I am in a bigamous marriage to a Native American.
Pity that the second marriage was only a ceremony and not a legal marriage!
Clawz
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A small development yesterday. The police contacted my friend and where there had been a warrant for the arrest of Adrienne Gilbert she turned up at the police station with a lawyer.
The outcome is she denied the assault and with the help of the lawyer no charges are going to be pressed.
Clearly she's as spiritual as her teacher and truth is alien to both of them. But it might just be that she's a good student and learnt well.
The friend is still having medical treatment for the damage to his shoulder and might need an operation where she threw him against the wall so hard.
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RE: Rod Bearcloud Berry
Can anyone tell me about the Ni´U´Kon´ska tribe from Olkahoma? This is the "new" tribe that Rod claims to be from. I don't ever remember his claiming that origin before, however, it recently was published in this article: http://www.sedona.biz/native-americans-express-outrage-over-sweat-lodge-incident-in-sedona102909.php (http://www.sedona.biz/native-americans-express-outrage-over-sweat-lodge-incident-in-sedona102909.php)
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Rod Berry I have noticed has changed the tribal name a couple of times over the years. All the bits I researched he has always claimed to be Osage but has changed the original name from The Tall Ones (in one of his gallery reviews) to also being The Sky People (for his Star Tribe Project).
I do like his quote, "says it takes years to learn about the sweat lodge. Go to a couple hundred,” he says, “then maybe you will begin to understand what they are about. And then you will no longer want to conduct one, because it carries great responsibility.”
Especially when his 'English (bigamist) wife' is conducting them and I've heard he attends them. It might even be that he attends as the pipe carrier!
Typical seller of ceremony quote, it's wrong for others, but OK for me to do it.
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Typical seller of ceremony quote, it's wrong for others, but OK for me to do it.
Yup, typical.
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Welome to 2010 all and I've discovered that the lessons of Sedona haven't crossed the puddle and the charlatans have already started planning a busy year.
My first discovery was;
http://www.shamanicskie.co.uk/#
Due to requests I will be holding another full ceremony sweat lodge on 20th February 2010. The lodge on the 15th was beautiful and she held everyone in love and beauty as always. It was a fun day filled with teachings from my path and new found friendship and connections.
Followed closely by;
http://www.melaniewright.org.uk/page4.htm
She's alreadt planned a full program of exploitation for the coming year.
Reading her About Me page she states she is a Dramatherapist, drama as in acting I presume. That just about says it all!
Bethlehem Taylor is mentioned and we've encountered him/her before at http://www.sacred-earth-camps.co.uk/ who it seems have now expanded into running sweats at other sites and possibly even teaching them.
My final offering for today is;
http://www.coedhills.co.uk/main.php?pageid=56
Just scratching the surface this really sticks out as a NuAge site. There is no mention of Sweats in 2010 yet, but I'll keep monitoring them.
Nappy New Year all
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RE: Rod Bearcloud Berry
Can anyone tell me about the Ni´U´Kon´ska tribe from Olkahoma? This is the "new" tribe that Rod claims to be from. I don't ever remember his claiming that origin before, however, it recently was published in this article: http://www.sedona.biz/native-americans-express-outrage-over-sweat-lodge-incident-in-sedona102909.php (http://www.sedona.biz/native-americans-express-outrage-over-sweat-lodge-incident-in-sedona102909.php)
This has just appearred in the comment section of the page of the above link, which is based in Sedona and Berry lives there. Hopefully several residents will read it and he'll recieve the acclaim he deserves;
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Richard Hollier 1 day ago
Rod Bearcloud Berry condems non native people selling sweat lodge ceremonies. Perhaps he'd comment on Kate Fenn based in England that he has connections with who performs and sells sweat lodges and other Native American ceremonies. This comment he made on her write up for one site that promotes her selling ceremonies.
"I have always known Kate to work with the old ways,and I know them to be at the Medicine Wheel,and Inipi's (purification lodges). I know Kate's lodges have always been built in the right way and have been learned well over time.It's good to see something in another country go in a good way that is of Native American orientation.In the many years that i have come to England,it has been the same.Kate's teaching i have heard and i know will assist many people in their journey on the EarthMother.It is good for my heart to see,and i wish you a continued sacred journey." ROD BEARCLOUD BERRY, TRADITIONAL OSAGE NATIVE AMERICAN VISION SEEKER AND LODGE KEEPER.
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This is a very interesting thread, thank you
I first found out about frauds like this in the UK in the mid 1980s
A guy I knew at the time (called himself a "modern primitive" ::) )was covered in tattoos, piercings etc. attended a shamanic retreat with group of friends and his girlfriend.
If my memory is correct this retreat was somewhere in Devon. I did not know this man really well and have no idea what the name of the "shaman" was.
Anyway he returned from this retreat in a terrible state.
Basically the shaman had given all of them some kind of hallucinogenic stuff to drink as part of some ritual.
Then when everyone was under the influence of the drug he seduced this guy's girlfriend and some other women who were the gfs of other men attending.
Obviously being in a state of hallucinating and knowing that your girlfriend has gone off to have sex with the "shaman" was highly traumatic. This shaman had attendants who lectured the men about the importance of relinquishing jealousy and possessiveness if one was to develop spiritually.
A truly horrible time was had by all. Except for the "shaman" who seemed to enjoy himself immensely.
Mr "modern primitive" paid a lot of money for this experience too. He wasn't a bad person (at least not as far a I know), a bit of a naive person with a love for trying "edgy" experiences and a complete lack of understanding about cultural appropriation. I always hated the "modern primitive" movement on so many levels and find the term highly offensive, but what that so called shaman did to the people on that retreat was really terrible.
That was my first experience (albeit 2nd hand) of realising that some people use a combination of powerful hallucinogens and a "shamanism" to abuse and take advantage of people.
I think this stuff goes on a lot more than most people realise.
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I mentioned previously an event that takes place near Glastonbury, The Healing Weekend. When this was run by Bill Harrison before his death it was faithful and he was very particular about who took part and displayed etc.
Last year was run as a memorial to him and the new organisers were beginning to show signs that the folding stuff was important.
Adverts have now started to appear for the 2010 event and their web-site is starting to take shape,
http://www.thehealingweekend.co.uk/
On that web site all looks ok and above board. But looking at a few other sites/promotional spots things start to turn,
http://cambridgeshire.thespiritguides.co.uk/EventsComments.aspx?e=4665&p=47&Redirect=Psychic_Events.aspx
Look down and the report by the organisers mentions they will be running 'performances, workshops, sweat lodge, displays and shows running throughout the 3 days'.
As the location is close to Glastonbury which is a haunt of many frauds etc the sweats could be run by several possible candidates. But I am aware that Kate Fenn is high among the suspects as she has previous connections to the event.
I'll keep watching and try to find out more.
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Hi There,
I am German and live in the UK. I have realised quite a few people put up sweat lodges against money here (same in Germany these days). Moreovere, here in the UK less and less people claim a "tracable" Native American tradition. The trend seems to be rather to cloak the whole thing in Celtic/Germanic mythology, or sometimes in very cloudy Native terms, such as e.g. "the maya calendar".
I personally think these people are wrong in charging money, but also and more importantly, I feel they are missing the point.
However, I have the impression the "spiritual workshop" crowd (I think they dislike the term New Age here) are exactly after what is offered on these workshops. That is, a lot of colorful images, a lot of stress on the possibility and power of personal transformation, a little bit of low threshold group therapy exercises, very little investment or commitment other than the workshop fee, and quite a bit of gratification of one's own narcicism.
Telling them off will have little effect, especially if no reference is made to Native American traditions. I guess this is freedom of religion. Or of group therapy, if you want.
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There has been in the past a claim made by the druids that the sweat lodge was theirs. They hoped this would get around them doing it and charging people. Then one of the serior druids stated publically and on the web that the druids didn't have sweat lodges and shouldn't claim they did. Things died down and there is less and less claims by them they ever did perform sweat lodges.
The nu-age or whatever name you wish to call them still perform and sell sweats and charge people. This money is for them and to enhance their life. Pure money making! As has been stated here one person makes so much money they take holidays in Egypt, Spain and also the Canary Islands.
Where somebody is making no connection to Native American heritage it's hard to expose them. But most claim they were taught by a Maya, A Mexican, or another American. Some do claim to have been taught by a genuine Native American and some blatantly advertise Native American Sweat Lodge. Those are the ones that need exposing.
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Checking on some of the known ones I found a new one;
http://martinsellcentre.com/sweatlodge-events/
No ifs, no buts, such a blantant rip off and fraud they don't bother to hide the fact and even use a NA pic of a sweat lodge.
Then when you read up on the sweat leader;
http://martinsellcentre.com/sweatlodge-events/eva-mack/
There is such a list of familiar names of known frauds it's almost a who's who. Sun Bear, Bear Tribe Medicine Society and Sundoor International School for Transpersonal Education – The Firewalking School
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Having been out of touch with one source of information I was glad to hear from him again.
There has been some disturbance and trouble, but more of that when there is more news.
Meanwhile he and I have spotted an old name resurface and on the surface this would gain her a Non-fraud status.
http://www.green-school.co.uk/index.html
A shool to teach parents and adults outdoor skills, including bushcraft and tracking. Nothing wrong with that and the more people get out in the wilds the healthier it is.
However it's interesting to read the biographies of the instructors.
http://www.green-school.co.uk/about.html
Especially Kate Fenn
http://www.green-school.co.uk/kate_fenn.html
Kate has for many years been teaching through the use of Meditation, Sweat Lodge ceremonies, Vision Quest Healing, and the Medicine Wheel. Her work is linked to and overseen by Rod Bearcloud well known for his Traditional ways and lodges on the reservations and wonderful visionary Artwork.
What connection teaching tracking has to the sweat lodge and vison quest is beyond me. But it is clear she is still touting this line and now highlighting and making clear her connection to Rod Berry, as he being her teacher. This is especially informative as it wasn't very long ago he was speaking out in Sedona as being against non NDN performing sweats.
Perhaps the moderators might consider giving these two a seperate Fraud section as they cross both sides of the Atlantic.
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It has been mentioned in another thread the growing number of frauds in Europe as a whole. Take heart, I may have been quiet but for a reason.
Steps have started and negotiations are progressing with various people and bodies to make performing and selling any Native American ceremony illegal. This will mean that anyone conducting these will be liable to arrest by the police.
I can't say much yet but I hope to follow this up with good news soon. No doubt the frauds will try and find loopholes and it's to prevent that that care has to be taken with the wording of the letter of the law.
This is in responce to one person who reported a friend of mine to the police (thinking the friend was me) for malicious posting and the stress caused by posting them as a fraud on here.
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One of the biggest 'green' (nu-age) events to be held each year has just released it's details.
Welcome to
The Big Green Gathering
The World's Premier and Award Winning Green Festival
Latest News: The Big Green Gathering is proud to announce its association with the Green Phoenix Festival which will take place from 19th to 22nd August 2010.
And being so enviromentally friendly they are inviting people to attend in yurts and tipis which of course leads to
THE SWEAT LODGE
The Bare Essentials
To generate the heat necessary for a successful sweat lodge we will build a big alter shaped fire with about 20 large limestones in the centre.
These rocks will be heated until they are red hot which takes about 2 - 3 hours. During this time we will be drumming and dancing around the fire.
When the rocks are hot and the fire burnt down enough to allow access they will be transfered into the sweat lodge bender and placed into a shallow pit at the center.
Those who wish to participate then remove their clothes and we form a circle around the fire holding hands. Entering the the sweat lodge we always move in a clockwise fashion around the rocks. It is best to sit on one knee and move up close to the person next to you. This means we can get as many people in as possible.
This has all the potential to become another Sedona. Packing as many people as possible into a sweat and encouraging them to stay till the end of a round!
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So many dodgy goings on at this festival that I just don't know where to start...
http://www.sunrisecelebration.com
It's got workshops on tantra, hallucinogenic plants, 2010, "Native Americans" , firewalking, shamanism
Most of these people are new to me but there is much here that is depressingly familiar....
Victoria Clark - Shamanic Journeying for Expanded Consciousness
These workshops are guided and intuitive, working with other dimensions, spirit guides and power animals our intention is to achieve healing, balance and expansion for ourselves and the planet in these changing times.
Each workshop will include Shamanic journey's, intuitive guidance and lots of love!
This is suitable for anyone who feels drawn to it - Follow your intuition the time is now!
I am also going to be available for one-one guidance and healing after workshops.
GARY KING - Crop Circles: Informing Other Activities
Gary encountered his first Crop Circle in 1997. He was so profoundly affected by this experience that he has relentlessly devoted the 12 years of his life toward researching the phenomenon. Already a practicing Martial Artist, he now began to pursue the more esoteric, internal styles of the art together with their accompanying philosophies. In 2005 he supplemented these studies with a language and communication degree course at Cardiff University, focusing on the science of semiotics (the search for the meaning behind meaning). In a jaw dropping lecture, recently delivered to a large crowd at the World Trade Centre in Mexico City, entitled "Informing Other Activities", Gary will show how his research has genuinely revealed connections between the phenomenon and geometry of the Crop Circles, ancient indigenous music, and their use of psychedelic plants, Consciousness, Creativity, the human condition, and much more. Not to be missed!!!
RITA HRAIZ - Planetary and Humanity Awakening
Speaking about an understanding of both the planetary as well as the individual awakening taking place, Tips on how to stay aligned and clear in the lead up to 2012 and outside of the doom gloom and fear of the changes to come. Rita hraiz, tantrika, sacred artist, clothes designer, has studied 20 years of esoteric astrology, and the science of kundalini, solar philosophy and the laws of ageless wisdom,
Rita lives in Glastonbury with her four children, Rita’s work is specifically committed to supporting humanity in our wake process, by sharing information on how our chakras really function in relation to the various stages of initiation, both individually and collectively. She speaks from both an eclectic and highly realised understanding rather than theoretically. Rita is an uplifting inspiration and draws much insight from the last seven years of working extensively with various shaman and the sacred amazonian plant medicine Ayahauska. Rita’s brand of colour conscious ethically made clothes collection will also be featured at the Sunrise fashion show, Rita will also be a available at Sunrise to do a limited amount of esoteric astrology readings in her Tipee which you can book a session in advance on iamrita@hraiz.co.uk . www.ritahraiz.com
CELIA GUNN - From Sinixt to Somerset: My Life with Native Americans
An extraordinary encounter with a Native American visionary in British Columbia , Canada , drew Celia Gunn into the rebirth of the Sinixt people, a tribe declared extinct by the Canadian government. For six years, she was taken upon a shamanic journey, her life entwined with the struggle of a fragmented and disinherited people, a Mother Tribe who were called home by their ancestors. Her memoir of this magical experience, “A Twist in Coyote’s Tale”, has been adapted into a film, “The Sinixt: Bringing Home the Bones”, which premiered in Canada in April 2010 and will soon be available in England . Celia will share her heart-warming story, and the great wisdom of the Native American way of life. Illustrated presentation.
A native of the county of Northumberland , Celia lived in Jerusalem , Israel, for several years, before immigrating to Canada , where she lived for 18 years. A deep and abiding interest in the mysteries of reality has been part of her life for as long as she can remember. Her first book, “A Twist in Coyote’s Tale”, has been followed by a novel, “A Dark Wind”, and her book on animal spirit guides, “Simply Totem Animals”, publishes in Sept 2010. Another novel, “The Fourth Gateway”, will publish in 2011. She is currently working on a book about the journey of healing, the biography of an elder of the western mystery tradition, and a saga set in ancient North America . When not writing, she can usually be found tending her unique and beautiful woodland chakra garden, which can be visited at her website: www.earthskywalk.com
STEPHANIE LISTER - Awakening to Intimacy Tantra - 2hr Workshop
Intimacy is boundless and infinite. It can only be experienced with others, and ourselves when we become our true nature and drop unconscious patterns and learnt defenses. This workshop is an invitation to be in intimacy with yourselves, fully present and true. You will have space to be where you are and who you are right now with love and acceptance. It offers an opportunity to explore what it means to be in intimate relationship with another and your essence as man or woman. In a safely held environment, through guided structures, you will be taken on a journey to living with more awakeness, connectedness and celebrating your aliveness! You will explore your own personal boundaries, the masculine and feminine dynamic, being touched and touching others physically, emotionally and spiritually. The workshop will be two hours in length and for the holding of the group I ask that participants stay for the whole two hours. It is suitable for singles, couples, beginners to intimacy work and to those who are more experienced. It is for all those who are open to the magical, infinite possibilities that can happen when we surrender to existence and the life in us. Please note that there will be no nudity and everyone’s boundaries regarding physical touch will be respected and honoured at all times.
Stephanie Lister has been a seeker since she was a child. Her exploration for truth and liberation has taken her around the world to study various Yoga practices and spiritual teachings. Her Guru is an enlightened being who has awakened her Kundalini. Stephanie has trained in Huna (Hawaiian Shamanism), The Tantric arts and Tantric philosophy, NLP and has studied with many respected teachers who have imparted their knowledge of sacred sexuality to her. She has made various television appearances on the subjects of Tantra and sexuality including ‘The Sex Education Show’ and ‘Sex -How to do everything.’ She currently lives and works in London facilitating tantric training for singles and couples and practices a new type of dream work with her clients.
JULIE ROCKA - Aligning with the Earth Spirits
The principles and practices of working with earth spirits to create homes and sacred sites that encourage harmony, health, wealth and happiness for the occupants.
Julie Rocka is a Spirit doctor of 25+ years experience, with a background in astrology, counselling, natural medicine, classical feng shui, spirit healing and Aboriginal shamanism. www.landandspirit.net. www.spiritdoctor.net
Beyond the central space, another paragon of peace is the ever-magical Tipi Circle. Based around a central fire, the Tipi Circle is always a little refuge, a place of chai and sheepskins, bhajans and song sharing, fireside jams and spontaneous healing.The Pacha Mama's Chai Tipiis the last resort of a great night out, sure to be ready to ease your tired frame after an exhaustive night out on the prowl. Enjoy!
Ancient Futures draws the pathways between the old and new, the ancient past and the approaching future. It is about reconnecting ourselves with the roots of our consciousness to find sustainable ways of managing our lives and this Planet. Looking back on the ways of living of our ancestors, we discover portals to a dawning paradigm where we once more connect back with the Earth. Ancient Futures explores the realms of world culture, art and music, entheogens and mind-expanding techniques, myths and cosmologies and ancient techniques of ecstacy.
Talks include:
Ancient & Modern Entheogens, Shamanism, Indigenous Cultures, Cosmologies and more...
Guest Speakers Include...
*Dr David Luke - Psychoactives, psychic ability & the pineal gland
*Andy Letcher - Reading the Codex : Making Sense of Magic Mushrooms
*Rachel Corby - Meet with a Plant Spirit
* Gaynor O'Flynn - Tibetan Bon Buddhism
*Danu Forest - Celtic Shamanic Journeying
*Louis Standon - Drug use & abuse in the western world
*Aria & Lucifero - Sustainable dying in style
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Shamanic Poetry & Conscious Rhymes include...
*RAVI - Performing live on Kora with guests
*Adrian Freedman - Live with guests
*Dave Pepper - Shaman showman
*Kev the Poet - Synchromystickz
*Meta - Poeti-Kali Induced Quantum Rhymes
*Harmony Yemanya - Medicina performance
*Avalon Roots - Acoustic Sunday Chillout
*Allen Morgan - Performing live
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Musical performances include...
Sitar Music * Throat Singing * Kora and Traditional Flute Concerts
Planetary Gongs * Tuning forks * Tibetan signing bowls * Cymbals
Hinarios * Prayers * Mantra's * Callings & invocations * Banishing
13 Crystal Singing Bowls meditation for Dusk & Dawn each day with an early evening performance on the Friday to open the sonic performances
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http://martinsellcentre.com/sweatlodge-events/
Looks like Eva Mack is at it on June 26th.
I have used their enquiry form, to ask them some questions but they haven't replied. I wonder why.
Will have to see if I can get away from work that day and go visit, its pretty close to where I am.
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Here's one I haven't noticed too much of before, using Mike Chirobokow as several others seem to be doing;
http://www.sweatlodge.org.uk/ourcommunity.htm.
Whats disgusted me most though was on the Inspiring Comments page;
I felt very safe with Mike and I really enjoyed the way in which it was truly red Indian. The group was good too and it was lovely to meet everyone. I will be letting people know about my experience. -M
If thats what they're teaching their victims customers then they need some teaching themselves!
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Theresa Matthew AKA whitebuffalowoman (yes really)
I found this
A Calling of the Ancestors
25 September 2010 - 7:52am | whitebuffalowoman
Start date:
Repeats every 7 days until Tue Dec 21 2010 .
5 Oct 2010 - 7:30pm
12 Oct 2010 - 7:30pm
19 Oct 2010 - 7:30pm
26 Oct 2010 - 7:30pm
2 Nov 2010 - 7:30pm
9 Nov 2010 - 7:30pm
16 Nov 2010 - 7:30pm
23 Nov 2010 - 7:30pm
30 Nov 2010 - 7:30pm
7 Dec 2010 - 7:30pm
14 Dec 2010 - 7:30pm
Where:
On lightworkers.org
Location or City:
England in West Malling Kent
A Calling of the ancestors ~ you are ask to gather to raise divine energy the power of the sacred circle
working together with Sitting Bull and the Council of 21 Chiefs : their mantric chants rhythmic drumming
for full information please email theresamatthew@angelic.com
here
http://lightworkers. org/event/115246/calling-ancestors (link broken as I have serious concerns about the webiste)
google lead me to this website
http://www.radiantsounds.org.uk
where the following text can be found
About 10 years ago I acquired my first Native Drum, then more recently two medicine drums and a collection of Native Indian flutes. Soon after I was contacted by the Spirit of Grey Owl and he in turn brought to me Sitting Bull ('He Who Sits Wisely', Chief of the Hungpapa Sioux) who came as spokesman for a Council of 21 Chiefs. We sat together for well over an hour and he explained to me that the Chiefs wanted to bring me their healing sacred chants and I remember saying “why me ?“ and Sitting Bull replied “why not!” Over the last few years it has warmed my heart to also have greater awareness of my incarnations as a Native Indian.
here http://www.radiantsounds.org.uk/10.html
also
Gatherings at the Sacred Lodges
There are three lodges in Kent where we share pure love energy within the Radiant Circle.
We drum as One with the Native Indian Spirits whilst Whitebuffalowoman leads the Chants and Mantras given by a Council of 21 Chiefs for the opening of the heart with higher consciousness activations to empower healing, spiritual enlightenment and transformation of consciousness.
Star Cottage Lodge based in West Malling, Cedar Lodge in Meopham and Dancing Light Lodge near Maidstone.
We gather to share our Love in unity consciousness meditations with the healing power of sacred chants with devotional music and rhythmic drumming. These sacred spaces quickening spiritual development so that each souls blueprint for this incarnation may be fulfilled. As one through the power of the Christ Consciousness we can harness the energy of pure love to generate a transformation of consciousness on our earth, protecting the spirit of nature and restoring love into the leylines of the world. Within these sacred circles WhiteBuffalowoman shares teachings on Ancient Knowledge with flute meditations and activates the portal energy through sacred sound with the power of the spirit.
Cedar Lodge Meopham Kent
In the Spring 2011 we shall be expanding into the beautiful grounds of Cedar Lodge with the Redwood Trees into a Medicine Wheel with the Central Fire working in conscious co~operation with the nature spirits alphas and devas. We shall celebrate with the Spirits round the living central fire opening the space with ceremony and ritual, raising divine healing energy for mother nature and each other with voice, drum and dance and sharing in the teachings of Ancient Knowledge with Communication from the Ancestors.
Star Cottage Lodge
Working closely with the Elders of Light, co creating powerful healing spaces in higher consciousness meditations with the healing power of sacred chant mantras and music. Spiritual Courses on Ancient Knowledge. Teachings from the Beloveds and building a loving caring and sharing sacred community.
Dancing Light Lodge at The Radiant Light Centre
Teachings and Spiritual Courses on Ancient Knowledge with the healing power of sacred sound.
One to One and Group.
also OURNEYING WITH THE ANCESTORS
SACRED RETREAT GATHERINGS IN NATURE
The Drums are Sounding, the Fire is Burning and you are invited to take your place in the SACRED HOOP
Sacred Drumming
Chants of the 21 Chiefs
Trance Dance
Vision Quest Meditation
Teachings on Sacred Knowledge
Communication with Elders of Light
Drum~making and craftworks
Journey with us to share sacred space in the tipi with the Ancestors and enter into the Divine Spirit:
Working with the vibrant energy of Sacred Chants of the 21 Chiefs we open the heart chakra
Sacred Rhythmic medicine drumming opens the third eye and crown chakras
and together we enter through the portal of light to experience the bliss of a merging consciousness with the Divine Spirit
Receive clarity of soul purposes and insights into relevant past incarnations from the Elders of Light to bring healing and transformation
and assistance in the awakening of your higher consciousness
We are the Ancient Ones Returned
After many centuries in the realms of Spirit, we are touching the earth once more and giving guidance to those who desire to walk our Ancient Way of Life.
We dance the sacred passage with the Spirits of the Plains, the Mountains, the Rivers, and the Forest together with our Ancestors and the Nature Spirits, we protect this natural world from the predating eyes of those who come to destroy Wakantankas domain
Sit with us around the Ancient Tree decorated with your prayers
Sing to the heavens for the Tree vibrates with the energy of your consciousness
and be One with the Divine Source of All Being
Caring and Sharing together as a Sacred Community
reawakening incarnate memories and drawing together many who were soul mates in previous lifetimes
So making the foundations of the Ancient Tribes into one powerful and mystical influence for the good of Mother Earth
website as you would expect includes antique photos of NDNs and sparkly animated gifs of dream catchers wolves and tipis
This woman runs a lot of events in which "the ancestors" are contacted. Bizarrely it is other people's ancestors who she is in contact with and not her own.
If anyone would like to ask her any questions, contact details taken from her website as follows:
Please contact Theresa WhiteBuffaloWoman on 01622 817136 for further details or email theresamatthew@angelic.com
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"We are the Ancient Ones Returned. After many centuries in the realms of Spirit, we are touching the earth once more and giving guidance to those who desire to walk our Ancient Way of Life. "
.......while the rest of us have been busy getting butchered and burned at the stake down here on the physical plane for the last several hundred/thousand years? Thanx! but no thanx!
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Terry O'Sheehan in the UK. Claims he was a 'Sioux' in a past life, and that makes his as good as Indian in this life. Told him to take that info to the rez and try to get enrolled with it. He told me I'd better talk to Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, and the other chiefs, because they speak to him and heal through him. He'd better read up on those chiefs again...they didn't like wasicus.
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This is a very interesting thread, thank you
I first found out about frauds like this in the UK in the mid 1980s
A guy I knew at the time (called himself a "modern primitive" ::) )was covered in tattoos, piercings etc. attended a shamanic retreat with group of friends and his girlfriend.
If my memory is correct this retreat was somewhere in Devon. I did not know this man really well and have no idea what the name of the "shaman" was.
Anyway he returned from this retreat in a terrible state.
Basically the shaman had given all of them some kind of hallucinogenic stuff to drink as part of some ritual.
Then when everyone was under the influence of the drug he seduced this guy's girlfriend and some other women who were the gfs of other men attending.
Obviously being in a state of hallucinating and knowing that your girlfriend has gone off to have sex with the "shaman" was highly traumatic. This shaman had attendants who lectured the men about the importance of relinquishing jealousy and possessiveness if one was to develop spiritually.
A truly horrible time was had by all. Except for the "shaman" who seemed to enjoy himself immensely.
Mr "modern primitive" paid a lot of money for this experience too. He wasn't a bad person (at least not as far a I know), a bit of a naive person with a love for trying "edgy" experiences and a complete lack of understanding about cultural appropriation. I always hated the "modern primitive" movement on so many levels and find the term highly offensive, but what that so called shaman did to the people on that retreat was really terrible.
That was my first experience (albeit 2nd hand) of realising that some people use a combination of powerful hallucinogens and a "shamanism" to abuse and take advantage of people.
I think this stuff goes on a lot more than most people realise.
Sounds much like what the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi did...the Beatles quit him when they realized he was eating much better than them and having his way with young devotees.
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Does anyone know anything about Celia M.Gunn? I have seen her speak at a few festivals now having been there to hear other people talk about other topics. I tried to engage her in conversation but she only wanted to talk about herself and how she has a medicine woman as an advisor on all things spiritual, how amazing her journey was (she apparently found out she has fantasy creatrues - like a pheonix - as totems) in between doing on the spot guided meditations with people and suggesting what crystals they should use to help them with this or that. While I was there I noticed a man who has spent time on Pine Ridge helping out and when he tried to speak to her she quickly shut off and avoided him (this was once she knew he had been on the Rez), maybe because she didn't want to get caught out on some of the things she says?
She claims to be a supporter of native rights and I'm not suggesting she didn't spend time helping out in Canada because I do not know and so cannot say but she now goes around claiming to promote awareness when all she really does is making a living off of selling native culture and religion mixed with new age ideas (though she claims to donate money to the Sinixt tribe from the sales of the new film made about her experience) as well as tacky 'made in china' looking animal totem stones amongst other things. She even said, (paraphrased as can't recall exact words) there is always a market for anything to do with Indians on the new age circut so I am fairly busy (in refrence to supporting herself through speaking engagements etc).
http://www.earthskywalk.com/books.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22y_n7inkjU
Thought or info welcome please.
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Does anyone know anything about Celia M.Gunn?
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http://www.earthskywalk.com/books.html
Do you know if she's ever used another name? The horrid books on her site look familiar... though maybe it's just because they're so stereotypical.
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Ross Heaven is now writing shameon paperbacks on "Celtic Shamanism"[sic] for one of the American occult presses, the one with the worst reputation (as in, they'll print anything they think will sell, no footnotes allowed).
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The one with the Welsh-sounding name, perhaps?
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That's the one.