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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
critter - a white non-ndn person:
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Why aren’t your workshops and talks free?
Because this is such an important question, we'd like to take some time in answering it.
Little Grandmother is committed to making her message and any information she receives from the spirits and Mother Earth freely available to all through the release of videos on YouTube. She will continue to make these available as important information comes through that she is asked to share with humanity. Her primary way of communicating and sharing the message is through these freely given videos, which reach people all over the globe more efficiently and effectively than doing events can.
Therefore, her traveling to do talks and workshops is something "extra" which she does not have to do in order to reach hearts. Her message that each of us is the Great I AM should prevent the thinking that she or anyone else is closer to Spirit/Source/the Divine than someone else, and that being in her presence is somehow necessary to "getting it".
Yet there are many people who are inspired and touched by her talks and wish to connect with her, work with her in a deeper way, and who want to hear her speak in person. For this purpose, she is willing to travel to do public talks and workshops—but this is a lot of work and energy-output on her part, being a highly sensitive being.
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This is just... well, first I laughed.. but seriously, the issues are of massive ego and mentally unstable.
People with hard childhoods often seek a grandeur reasoning for their life.. and use that to bolster
their egos and perhaps even their sanity while being so tortured. But, it is not real. And at some
point, it will crash. It is sad. While I do believe these people COULD have sensitivities to spiritual worlds..
their lack of mental stability makes them inept. And that is sad..
What's even sadder is they go around claiming to teach.. and guide.. and hurting others by doing so.
But the need for this belief of their self is what keeps them from totally losing it.. and I suspect this
Keisha is in that boat. The woman does not come across to me as being mentally stable, or
even real, especially her claims. Having been on Nafps this long I have learned enough to know that
no native tribe would be affiliated with someone like her.. and seriously, the spirits that affiliate with
any native tribe, would have no reason to use some person outside of tribe to conduit.. and certainly
not a mentally unstable person such as herself.
Her claims are simply false. Sure, she may touch on spiritual essence from time to time, but so do
many others.. this does not make her humanity's messenger..
As for being so sensitive. That is just bull. That is just more her trying to upscale herself from
regular humans..
educatedindian:
--- Quote from: Crescent on October 07, 2010, 06:42:30 pm ---
1...she has said that the US will lose some of it's power and that it won't be the most powerful country in the world anymore in the future. Where the China part comes in: she has said that another country, perhaps China or another country, might 'buy' a small part of the US or get control of it through cooperation, to prevent the US from fully deteriorating. Not through violent takeover. But yes, according to her, it would be a blessing, in a spiritual sense....
2. I also have never found any evidence, coming directly from a established indigenous tribe, that she's affiliated with them (so also not from Salish). I have never found any evidence of the supposed prophecy of a fair-haired girl coming to unite people, nor evidence of a prophecy about the Tribe of Many Colors. I have never found evidence that her mother is Salish, or evidence that these crystals which she is using for her ceremonies have indeed been safeguarded by indigenous tribes for many, many years. And i've seen every video, listened to every radio interview, and read every message that she's put out.
3. I remember that about a month ago, when i was already reading the newagefraud.org forums, she made a Facebook post (which is now deleted) about how she felt really hurt, when she heard that there are people who believe the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders is fake. I don't remember exactly what she said but it comes down to something like: "I feel really hurt, these are some of the most beautiful indigenous elders/people on the planet, i am trying to change the channel (her way of saying: not giving energy to negativity) but having trouble with it". She still did not provide proof however. So today i have made a post on the tribeofmanycolors.net forums, asking if anyone can shed a light on this Continental council of indigenous elders.
4. In one of her videos she also tells this story about befriending an owl, and when the owl was dieing, it flew into her, getting it's talon stuck in her chest, after which it died in her arms... she says she still has this scar, and the talon, but she's never shown them. I don't know if it's considered to be disrespectful or anything to show such a personal item? But again, another lack of proof!
5....I searched Youtube for the word 'shaman' and ended up at one of Kiesha Crowther's videos. It felt very uplifting, right away, she really touched my heart. As she made so many references to indigenous tribes, it all felt very authentic. Quite a lot of the things she talked about, summed up a lot of stuff that i've read about before, and know to be true. I was touched by what she says about a difficult childhood: feeling very different, and finding refuge in nature when there was abuse going on in her home. I liked how her videos are free,
6. how she remained humble by deliberately not wearing full regalia (While she had all the right to do this, right...?)
7. I also liked how she says she is only a messenger, how she is not a guru or teacher, and all that....i feel like many of her followers are making her into a guru, rather than that she's doing this (or her "affiliates", as people in this topic call them).
8....What really got me disillusioned is: in one of her internet radio interviews, she says there will be a 'cleanse', related to 2012/ascension stuff. Something along the lines of: "People who are not living in the heart will not be able to cope with the new energies, i'm saying this with all of my knowing and every fiber of my being", "to fully enlightened beings, death does not seem like death... the world will be beautiful afterwards". A little blend of Hopi prophecy apparently? (Right now i'm wondering: is that really true about Hopi prophecy, or is it all new-age mumbo jumbo?)
9. I like her message about being nice to each other, living in the heart, spending more time in nature. The world would be wonderful if many more people would do that. But there's a difference between living from the heart, being nice to people, following your intuition - and shutting down your mind, which i sadly have to say, quite a lot of the followers seem to be doing.
10. I'm sure Kiesha Crowther is not a bad person, she does have some very good things to share, and that she believes in what she does. But possibly she is very much misguided, and i really would like to see either some proof, or some further debunking about her 'indigenous claims'.
11....And finally, thank you people for this great website :)
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Crescent, thanks for all the information and insight, and welcome. I've put numbers to make it clearer what I'm responding to.
1. That kind of "prophecy" is not exactly insightful. Almost anyone can see how the US has weakened itself with unneeded wars and wasteful ways of living.
2. We don't know of any evidence as well. Most likely she is a white pretender, or perhaps has very distant ancestry. By her own account on her sites, she has had little contact with her alleged people. No way would they entrust someone so unknowing with an (allegedly) important message.
3. This so called Continental Council of Indigenous Elders is nothing of the sort. It's a fraudulent organization, run by and for frauds. This is them:
http://www.earthworksforhumanity.org/pages/ROTA.shtml
It's Adam DeArmon AKA "Adam Yellowbird's" organization. He's an exploiter and white imposter selling phony ceremonies out of Sedona. We hav threads on him in here. If Krowther thinks he or the others in that group are genuine, then she is very easily fooled.
A young man contacted me some time ago because DeArmon was offering free trips to any elderly Native in his coimmunity in Alaska who would go. He signed his grandpa up because he thought it'd be a chance for him to travel, then backed away once I explained it al to him. Basically DeArmon is using elderly Natives as window dressing. They're not elders at all.
4. That story is bizarre. Among many Native peoples, owl is an omen of bad luck. One attacking you while dying is not something to brag about.
5. She really knows how to tell stories that are emotional and appeal to lost people. That certainly doesn't make her genuine. How you feel about her is not a reliable guide. How do Natives feel about her? We are pretty certain she's as phony as a 3 dollar bill.
6. That's a really strange thing to say. Natives don't go about dressed in regalia every day, anymore than Swedes wear Viking helmets or Germans wear lederhosen. The fact that she felt the need to dress up in regalia just says pretty clearly that she realized, without buckskin, no Europeans would believe she was Indian.
7. That's an important point. Who the heck is behind her? She's frankly not smart enough and doesn't have enough resources to get all these websites and speaking tours up and running this fast. She's only been around a very short time and has easily 100 times more websites devoted to her than a typical imposter. Someone is investing a lot of money and time on her.
Could you ask on that site: who sponsors her? Who builds her sites, and esp who pays for all these sites? And what their motives are. Crowther may be a pawn or puppet.
8. No, it's not Hopi, not even Mayan. The 2012 bit is New Age plus some others out ot make money.
9. It's a nice enough and harmless message, but does anyone really need Crowther to figure that out? It's something we all learned in kindergarten, or from our parents. Be good to each other.
10. Again, she may be a pawn. And that look in her eye is pure craziness, to me. I'm amazed anyone does anything but think, upon meeting her, "She needs professional help."
She is already debunked. The main thing missing is knowing who is behind her, paying quite a bit to promote her. DeArmon? Others?
11. Thanks for the kind words.
Peasant:
--- Quote from: educatedindian on October 07, 2010, 09:22:37 pm ---
1. That kind of "prophecy" is not exactly insightful. Almost anyone can see how the US has weakened itself with unneeded wars and wasteful ways of living.
2. We don't know of any evidence as well. Most likely she is a white pretender, or perhaps has very distant ancestry. By her own account on her sites, she has had little contact with her alleged people. No way would they entrust someone so unknowing with an (allegedly) important message.
3. This so called Continental Council of Indigenous Elders is nothing of the sort. It's a fraudulent organization, run by and for frauds. This is them:
http://www.earthworksforhumanity.org/pages/ROTA.shtml
It's Adam DeArmon AKA "Adam Yellowbird's" organization. He's an exploiter and white imposter selling phony ceremonies out of Sedona. We hav threads on him in here. If Krowther thinks he or the others in that group are genuine, then she is very easily fooled.
A young man contacted me some time ago because DeArmon was offering free trips to any elderly Native in his coimmunity in Alaska who would go. He signed his grandpa up because he thought it'd be a chance for him to travel, then backed away once I explained it al to him. Basically DeArmon is using elderly Natives as window dressing. They're not elders at all.
4. That story is bizarre. Among many Native peoples, owl is an omen of bad luck. One attacking you while dying is not something to brag about.
5. She really knows how to tell stories that are emotional and appeal to lost people. That certainly doesn't make her genuine. How you feel about her is not a reliable guide. How do Natives feel about her? We are pretty certain she's as phony as a 3 dollar bill.
6. That's a really strange thing to say. Natives don't go about dressed in regalia every day, anymore than Swedes wear Viking helmets or Germans wear lederhosen. The fact that she felt the need to dress up in regalia just says pretty clearly that she realized, without buckskin, no Europeans would believe she was Indian.
7. That's an important point. Who the heck is behind her? She's frankly not smart enough and doesn't have enough resources to get all these websites and speaking tours up and running this fast. She's only been around a very short time and has easily 100 times more websites devoted to her than a typical imposter. Someone is investing a lot of money and time on her.
Could you ask on that site: who sponsors her? Who builds her sites, and esp who pays for all these sites? And what their motives are. Crowther may be a pawn or puppet.
8. No, it's not Hopi, not even Mayan. The 2012 bit is New Age plus some others out ot make money.
9. It's a nice enough and harmless message, but does anyone really need Crowther to figure that out? It's something we all learned in kindergarten, or from our parents. Be good to each other.
10. Again, she may be a pawn. And that look in her eye is pure craziness, to me. I'm amazed anyone does anything but think, upon meeting her, "She needs professional help."
She is already debunked. The main thing missing is knowing who is behind her, paying quite a bit to promote her. DeArmon? Others?
11. Thanks for the kind words.
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1: Indeed... i never really paid a lot of attention to this, it's just something i wanted to set straight so the image of Kiesha Crowther as it is portrayed here is as accurate as possible.
2: Yes, you are right. I just didn't think anyone would have the guts to falsely act as a spokesperson for Native American tribes.
3: Yeah, nobody on the tribeofmanycolors.net forums is able to shed a light on this as well. This is the only reply that was made (though also i got a message from someone who is also reading newagefraud.org):
--- Quote ---I don't know much about the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders. My guess is that it is hard to find because the members are not supposed to be widely known or do not want to be widely known. The Council may do its work more internally, if that is the case, for good reasons. And maybe some people are designated as spokespeople, like Little Grandmother.
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If they're not supposed to be widely known, why is their name used to add a sense of credibility to Kiesha Crowther?
4: Seriously? :-\ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZcR2_f3bWM&feature=related here she talks about this great horned owl at 05:50. That's very strange to hear...
5: Yes you're right, but like i said, i didn't think anyone would have the guts to lie about being recognized by a native American tribe, and be able to get away with it. I did a search for her when i found her videos but i couldn't find anyone debunking her claims at the time.
6: Indeed, like i said i didn't really know anything about Native American tribes, one thing i knew was that they wear normal every day clothing like everyone else, but these videos of Kiesha Crowther give unknowing outsiders the impression that it's some kind of genuine gathering hosted by a Native American tribe. I did not expect to see someone in full regalia, the thought didn't even cross my mind, but when Kiesha said "i could very much be sitting here in full regalia" and clearly believes it herself, it adds to the impression that she is actually recognized by some established council.
7: I have never heard Kiesha talk about Adam Yellowbird. There's these two people sitting next to her in one of her talks though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVj6b7jC-I at 06:00, there is someone called Priscilla Wolf aka Sister Wolf. And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMtZ-O6sgo&feature=related at 01:30, there's this man called John Kimmey. Other than that, i don't know if anyone is behind her, or who that would be. What i meant in my first message, is that i got the impression that her followers are pressing her to act as a guru... i mean, i've never seen an indication that there's some puppet master behind all this. But i don't know who is promoting and arranging her talks and workshops.
8: I see that now. Found this link about Hopi 'prophecies' if anyone reading this is also interested in that: http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Hopi_and_Pseudo_Hopi_Prophecies
9: It's the way this whole message is presented. To people who are not aware of all the impostors and frauds in new-age groups, and/or who are interested in topics discussed in new age/conspiracy theorist movements, it can give the impression that this is for real and that something grand is going on. It felt good to me, and her videos did inspire me to change things in my life for the better. I've quit smoking, stopped eating cheap factory meat, and i spend more time outdoors now... so it's not all bad. Some people just need something to believe in. When i look at all the frauds mentioned in these forums like this White Eagle Medicine Woman, i do think Kiesha Crowther is a somewhat different case... if all her claims about being recognized by Native American people are false, she is very much misguided. Of course, in that case, she is responsible for letting this happen to her. But i do think there is a grain of truth in the things she talks about, albeit mostly derived from other sources.
10: I didn't recognize the look in her eyes as crazy, while i am familiar with people who have mental illnesses.
11: No problem and by the way, if you need more information from me, just ask... :)
educatedindian:
--- Quote from: Crescent on October 08, 2010, 12:52:09 pm ---
7: I have never heard Kiesha talk about Adam Yellowbird. There's these two people sitting next to her in one of her talks though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVj6b7jC-I at 06:00, there is someone called Priscilla Wolf aka Sister Wolf. And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMtZ-O6sgo&feature=related at 01:30, there's this man called John Kimmey. Other than that, i don't know if anyone is behind her, or who that would be. What i meant in my first message, is that i got the impression that her followers are pressing her to act as a guru... i mean, i've never seen an indication that there's some puppet master behind all this. But i don't know who is promoting and arranging her talks and workshops.
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A search for Priscilla Wolf turns her up at some UFO sites. She says she is Apache/Spanish. Comes across as an eccentric grandmother. I doubt she has the resources.
Now John Kimney OTH, he's an established and dedicated fraud and exploiter of Hopi traditions and ceremony seller, even been warned repeatedly by the Hopi Nation.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2455.0
Freija:
People over here ask me the same thing: who is behind her?
Someone planned this and set the PR-machine rolling.
I wonder if I can find out who promoted her. She must have "an agent".
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