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General => Frauds => Topic started by: educatedindian on December 18, 2011, 04:32:38 pm

Title: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on December 18, 2011, 04:32:38 pm
Got a request about this group operating in Britain. They claim to work with NDN healers in Colombia. The concern is that they are making claims that encourage people to think ayahusca can cure HIV/AIDS.

http://shamanismoflight.blogspot.com/2011/11/aids-hiv-shamanic-journey.html
Also claims that their healer made it impossible for needles to be injected.

"Inti Ananda" seems to be the leader/site owner but seems to be British. His email address on this group is gnosisre @ yahoo.com.uk
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GnosticThought/message/3076

They claim to work with the Shamanic and Ecological Assn of Colombia, but the only thing I could find online about SEAC were SOL's claims and offers of workshops from them, like this.

The Shamanic and Ecological Association offer the following programme of workshops over the weekend

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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=shamanic%20and%20ecological%20association%20of%20colombia&source=web&cd=8&sqi=2&ved=0CEcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elsuenoexiste.com%2Fprogw.doc&ei=hRTuTrzNFay10QGizfm8CQ&usg=AFQjCNGyEMM-iCCyp8JMEc_xZ0Yjw2uH_Q
Saturday 15th
11 - 12.00p.m     -   the Solar Gods and human liberation
1 - 2 p.m               -   Celtic shamanism of light
3- 4 pm                 - Socalismo Latin Americano Bolivariano and our experience in Latin America with the social political situation.
5-6 pm                 -  Tiawanaku - Lago Titicaca + the origins of man

sunday 16th
10.30 - 11.30  - Maya Calendar + 2012. The end of the world ???????
12 -  1             -  green capitalism in Colombia exposed, with short video, showing how supposedly ecological groups such as rainforest alliance, and fair-trade have really capitalism at heart from our own experience.
1.30 - 2.30      -  San Agustin statues and Shamanic culture, hidden alchemical esoteric meaning....
3 - 4  -             Mapuche and Aymara  Cosmovision
Musical group Solas amaru from the shamanic and  ecological  association will perform a brief set from their  revolutionary  Andean acoustic folk  rock  repertoire .
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: amorYcohetes on December 21, 2011, 06:47:29 am
A note: "inti" is a Quechua word for Sun (Quechua-speaking communities exist in the Andean nations of Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, and also to some extent Argentina and Chile).  "Ananda" I believe is a Sanskrit term, or from a South Asian language.  I have heard it translated as "happiness" but I wouldn't know how accurate that is.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: nemesis on December 21, 2011, 01:09:23 pm
Some more links

http://shamanismoflight.org/


their events page shows that they have been running events in the UK very recently

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Fundamentals of the Shamanism of Light
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Cornerstone Community Centre Hove

Tuesday 23rd Nov 7:15pm
Fundamentals of the Shamanism of Light
Film screening of an interview with Colombian Shaman Vasudev
-followed by questions and answers with community members

Tuesday 30th Nov 7:15pm
Talk on Plant Spirit Medicine
Sacred plants, global Shamanic Consciousness and the creation of the soul

Tuesday 7th Dec 7:15pm
Shamanism of the Light Night
An informal evening with shamanic sound meditation, wisdom talks,storytelling
& shamanic songs and mantras

entry £5/£3conc.

gnosticshaman@yahoo.co.uk

source:
http://shamanismoflight.org/activitiesframeset.htm

There is a ton of information on the site if anyone has time to check it out.  I just lost a very long and detailed post on another thread (facepalm) and are pushed for time right now
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: GodsLove on February 04, 2014, 09:42:05 pm
I found this webpage more by accident.  I happen to know the woman in question who went through the healing experience.  From her perspective, she feels herself to be healed from AIDs.  The medical establishment however won't accept it, don't want to hear anything about it, because according to them AIDs is incurable, full-stop, despite the fact that the blood test after she came back from her time in the jungle proved that she had got considerably better.... which, according to the medical establishment, simply does not happen with AIDs, full stop.  She has become a medical anomaly.

During these blood tests, whilst putting the needle in her arm the nurse was commenting about how completely changed she appeared, and she responded to her that she had been living in the jungle and that mother nature gave her her life back.   At that moment, the needle in her arm was physically spat out of her veins, as if the jungle force in her body rejected it.  It fell to the floor to the amazement of both her and the nurse.  I know the woman, before she was a wreck on death's door, and today she has her life back.

I'm currently trying to get her story known in the wider public, and for that I was researching her English contact for the tribe in Colombia, and thus I found his name ("inti ananda") on your webpage.  The woman who went through the experience never says that ayahuasca itself healed her.  Her healing journey was initiated with ayahuasca, which told her that recovery was possible and that she would get much better if she just used plant medicines and stopped using the pharmaceutical drugs.  Through her contact in Britain, she was then able to visit the indigenous in Colombia in order to fulfill her yearning for healing.

Her healing journey was not just with plant medicines, but also included changing her diet, radically giving up old habits, and changing her mundane paradigm for a spiritual outlook.   She is still going strong and is very much trying to find ways to get her story heard.  From what I remember when I read Inti's article many months ago, he was writing the article as a means of consolidating all the aspects of her healing which she would be able to use a reference, as she does not have the same sophistication of expression as Inti.  I don't remember him ever saying that ayahuasca cures AIDs, because he knows full well that it was a whole combination of forces in her life, which BEGUN with ayahuasca.  Ayahuasca started the process, opened the door, but she had to walk through every step of the journey, with a lot of trials and tests.

We are very aware of the implications of releasing her story, because her case is unique, insofar that she had a fighter's spirit in her, that she was not willing to give up and accept what the experts told her.  Sadly, for so many people with the illness, they have already given up hope of recovery.  We are in the process of communicating her story in a way that gives people the need for serious discernment and decision-making in terms of their healing journey, and to not act impulsively.  For her, it was not a matter of fashion or fad, but a life or death situation, and she threw herself into the deep-end.   Even though this is perhaps what cured her, we do not want people who suffer from AIDs to jump in the deep-end just by hearing her story.

Therefore, I am writing this to assure you that I can account for the authenticity of her case.  Her case may just be totally unique, because she was friends with someone (Inti) who was living with an indigenous tribe.  As far as we know, this treatment is not open to the public, especially from the people she stayed with.  However, if her story inspires people to initiate something of that sort, a medical school in Latin America that specifies in AIDs healing, then we believe that would be a great thing.

I wish to thank you for voicing your concerns for as it happens we are in the very process of making sure that her story is brought to the public in such a way that nobody misconstrues or twists the facts.

Carry on with your good work.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Epiphany on February 04, 2014, 11:22:15 pm
We are very aware of the implications of releasing her story, because her case is unique, insofar that she had a fighter's spirit in her, that she was not willing to give up and accept what the experts told her.  Sadly, for so many people with the illness, they have already given up hope of recovery. 

A "fighter's spirit" or lack thereof is not what keeps a person alive. The way you have worded this, it perpetuates the mistaken belief that when a person dies of an illness, they have not fought hard enough, they have given up and that is bad, they have accepted what experts have told them.

 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/opinion/25sloan.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/opinion/25sloan.html?_r=0)

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If people are insufficiently upbeat after a cancer diagnosis or inadequately “spiritual” after a diagnosis of AIDS, are we to assume they have willfully placed their health at risk? And if they fail to recover, is it really their fault?

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It is difficult enough to be injured or gravely ill. To add to this the burden of guilt over a supposed failure to have the right attitude toward one’s illness is unconscionable. Linking health to personal virtue and vice not only is bad science, it’s bad medicine.

GodslLove, if you really want to do this: "I wish to thank you for voicing your concerns for as it happens we are in the very process of making sure that her story is brought to the public in such a way that nobody misconstrues or twists the facts." - you know you would absolutely have to have this story scientifically validated. Not given a public relations spin as I think you may be doing here. A claim of a cure needs to be validated. We can tell stories about cures all we want, but what actually matters is science.

I'm concerned also about this all being presented as special and secret. As if to pump up excitement and curiousity as a method of salesmanship.

Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 05, 2014, 01:15:03 am
"GodsLove,"

AIDS improves all the time (full stop). Since the introduction of the protease inhibitor cocktails, many people with full-blown AIDS have been brought back from death's doorstep to undetectable viral loads.

Whether or not it is considered a "cure" is simply a matter of semantics and opinion.

Your information on AIDS is incomplete and out of date. Then again, that's what faith healers prefer in their marks, er, clients. :)

How dare you insult all the people living with HIV, and those of us who have lost loved ones to AIDS, by implying they just lacked the right attitude and "fighting spirit." I saw a whole generation of warriors die, and their spirits would put nuage manipulators like you to shame.

If your friend's viral loads were dropped to undetectable levels by the protease inhibitors, and she stops them... I hate to break the news to you, but she could well relapse. I hope she is level-headed and is not convinced that, if she relapses, it is due to "a lack of faith," rather than the fact she stopped her meds.

Many of us have had remarkable healing through prayer and faith. It does happen. But so does exploitation and malpractice, and some people have died because people like you shamed them into stopping their medical care because you didn't think it was "spiritual."  I hope your friend doesn't wind up as one of these casualties due to the greed and ignorance of the, perhaps well-meaning but still dangerous, people around her.

I'm sorry, but your friend is not unique. And if you push that she is, and that this faith healer is the cure, you may well be implicated in killing people. The information you are posting about HIV/AIDS is woefully incomplete and misleading; you do not know what you are talking about and I suspect you have something to gain from this scam. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 05, 2014, 01:30:42 am
Interesting how many of these "Columbian" "shamans" live in London, England and have names derived from Sanskrit.

With their talk of "shamanism" (even "Celtic Shamanism"[sic]) and "mantras" and the fake Hindu names, I think these are English nuagers who are involved in the usual hodgepodge of beliefs and capitalist scams we see every day among the spiritual tourists and Ayahuasca appropriators.

Looking at his registration info and IP, along with the writing style on their pages, I am confident "GodsLove" is one of the people running this scam.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 05, 2014, 01:55:17 am
http://shamanismoflight.org/gnosticshamanism.htm

Their website is an eclectic mess, written from the worldview of Brit Occultists. The talk of "Rays" (The "Indigenous Ray," "The Celtic Ray,") comes largely from Theosophy - an occult movement started by ruling-class English people, which has some hard-core, white supremacist beliefs at it's root. As a product of the so-called "British Empire" - it's roots are colonial; they believe all the world's cultures simply exist for them to vulture from, and that they know more about what should be done with cultural property than do the poor, ignorant savages they are colonising.

They admit in their blog post they'd never met a person with AIDS (PWA) before this woman (if she even has HIV/AIDS). Who on Earth has never met someone with HIV/AIDS? Think about it. Privileged, mainstream white people, that's who.

I think this group is dangerous and should be moved to frauds.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Autumn on February 05, 2014, 03:32:25 am
http://shamanismoflight.org/gnosticshamanism.htm

Their website is an eclectic mess, written from the worldview of Brit Occultists. The talk of "Rays" (The "Indigenous Ray," "The Celtic Ray,") comes largely from Theosophy - an occult movement started by ruling-class English people, which has some hard-core, white supremacist beliefs at it's root. As a product of the so-called "British Empire" - it's roots are colonial; they believe all the world's cultures simply exist for them to vulture from, and that they know more about what should be done with cultural property than do the poor, ignorant savages they are colonising.

They admit in their blog post they'd never met a person with AIDS (PWA) before this woman (if she even has HIV/AIDS). Who on Earth has never met someone with HIV/AIDS? Think about it. Privileged, mainstream white people, that's who.

I think this group is dangerous and should be moved to frauds.

That site is very strange.  I thought at first it might somehow be related to the Hare Krishna's because they sign off on many pages with Hare Krishna.

http://shamanismoflight.org/gnosis-home2.htm (click one of the left buttons and go down to the bottom of the page)

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May the light of Christ shine in your hearts.

HARE KRISHNA!

GNOSTIC SHAMANISM OF LIGHT.

Also, I wonder why 2011 is the last blog post for the Shamanism of Light blog and that is the article about the woman who was HIV positive.

http://shamanismoflight.blogspot.com/2011/11/aids-hiv-shamanic-journey.html


Kathryn, you are right about the Theosophy connection.  The individuals on the Shamanism of Light website are fond of Samael Aun Weor (if you Google him, there are serious charges of cultism) and he was involved with Theosophy early on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael_Aun_Weor
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on February 05, 2014, 02:05:08 pm
I found this webpage more by accident.  I happen to know the woman in question who went through the healing experience.  From her perspective, she feels herself to be healed from AIDs.  The medical establishment however won't accept it, don't want to hear anything about it, because according to them AIDs is incurable....

Therefore, I am writing this to assure you that I can account for the authenticity of her case.  Her case may just be totally unique, because she was friends with someone (Inti) who was living with an indigenous tribe.  As far as we know, this treatment is not open to the public, especially from the people she stayed with.  However, if her story inspires people to initiate something of that sort, a medical school in Latin America that specifies in AIDs healing, then we believe that would be a great thing.

I wish to thank you for voicing your concerns for as it happens we are in the very process of making sure that her story is brought to the public in such a way that nobody misconstrues or twists the facts.

Carry on with your good work.

You seem to believe in a really bizarre conspiracy theory. Do you seriously think each and every doctor and medical researcher absolutely would refuse to look at this alleged cure? You base this belief on...well, just because. Because you don't trust doctors and imagine them to be in on this conspiracy.

If this needle popped out from the woman's body, where's the testimony of the person giving the injection that this actually happened? For that matter, where is the supposedly cured woman? Something this allegedly miraculous is news for the whole world, and the secretive bit seems like a hustle to get more desperate people to buy dubious claims.

Like was pointed out, you don't seem understand either the treatment of the disease or for that matter how actual Native healers work. An actual healer would not deny treatment from western medicine or anything which can actually end suffering.

I did find another post by "Inti" and it seems pretty obvious he's a British pseudo-leftist obsessed with conspiracy theories, a Nuager or European pagan whose also deeply anti-Semitic and influenced by David Ickes (bolded below).

I'm moving the thread to Frauds because of the danger "Inti" could cause people to stop their treatment. But I want to emphasize we need more research to try and track down who he is, his actual name especially.

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http://anuhazi-owl.tumblr.com/post/17368592511/what-will-the-new-year-bring-inti-ananda
2012 is upon us, eclipses and galactic alignments, Barak Nobel Peace Prize Obama on the war path, the Zion Olympics in London, CCTV Social Control, Travellers and Harlequins, a fight between control and freedom, Pandemics, Epedemics, Financial corruption, planetary convulsions, Student protests, solar flares, sunspots, ET invasions (if you believe the hype), tunes played on HAARP, earthquakes and tornados,

2012 is upon us, will you watch it on TV mindless and numbed, business as usual? The forces of freedom and democracy test their white phosphorus, what will Gaza get for Christmas? The news comes ever faster, the optical wires hum, keep yer face outta facebook and your mind on the task, get ready in your heart, your head, your lungs, your soul,

2012 is upon us, no time for idle dreams only focus and action, civilization contraction, will it be Syria, Venezuela, Iran the next target for Uncle Sam? Do you believe what they tell you? Are you in the grid, caught in the matrix, slave to false politik, international banking criminals, black fraternities, Knights of Malta, Clubs of Rome, Illuminatis, dont want the people free only want New World Order international prison camp for you and me...

2012 is upon us, the reptilian lizard kings slide....
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Epiphany on February 05, 2014, 04:36:53 pm
The registrant for shamanismoflight.org is Lawrence Harrowell. Don't know if Harrowell = Inti Ananda.

Registrant Name:Lawrence Harrowell
Registrant Organization:shamanismoflight.org
Registrant Street: 38 Comonfield Road,
Registrant City:Banstead,
Registrant State/Province:Surrey
Registrant Postal Code:SM7 2JZ
Registrant Country:GB
 
Registrant Email:gnosticshaman@yahoo.co.uk

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=shamanismoflight.org (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=shamanismoflight.org)
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on February 05, 2014, 10:20:58 pm
If Hallowell is not Inti, it seems likely that he at least works with him. Hallowell is on a few sites in Spanish, has worked as a translator. 28 years old in 2010 and living in SA since 2000 and in Colombia since 2006, where Inti claims to know healers.
http://trustytraductores.webs.com/ourtranslator.htm

In the comments on this site, he mentions trying to take herbal cures across the border, which is in a grey area about which are legal or not.
http://www.elmorrocotudo.cl/admin/render/noticia/3740

The only person I saw on FB with his name looks a bit old to be him, already partly grey haired.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Intiananda on August 19, 2015, 01:37:56 am
Hello, well it says here that this topic has not been written on for a while, I guess because no-one came up with much of substance with regard to this being or not a fraud... However I will introduce myself as being said Inti Ananda from the community in Colombia spoken about and if anybody is interested to hear my side of the story please login and reply or send me an email.. but for your interest I am not Harrowell.. my English name is another name and personally have nothing to hide or to worry about with respect to the unfounded accusations of fraud. Its amusing to read the posts and peoples speculations about which they know little. I have never claimed that ayahuasca cures aids... I think the article written on the blogspot is clear enough in that respect, neither do I have any interest in recruiting any followers or such like.. I was only a useful instrument in this story and did not myself do anything other than open the door to a willing individual who had suffered for many years... and I saw how her suffering was relieved.. Perhaps that is just too much for some people that they need to try and read more into this than there is.. it is a simple story that is interesting but we are not standing and shouting from the rooftops.. we are a very small community.. you might accuse us of being theosophist but with all respect I am not and never have been a theosophist, I have never even read a single book by Mdm Blavatsky and we live in a world where there is freedom of cult and religious conviction. If you don't like that then go speak to those that write human rights manuals if you feel it may be of use.... as for the other accusations, those could be discussed if the persons that made them are still around and are interested to debate the subjects.

So really just dropped in to see if anyone wants to converse the subject.. if not then we will leave it at that.

Best Wishes. Intiananda
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on August 19, 2015, 02:38:37 am
Hello. Spokeo shows your legal name as being Andres Rosas. Will you confirm that? Why do you hide your actual legal name?

We have no reason to address you by your New Age name, esp since it is in part a New Age adoption of a Hindu name from India, not Latin American or Native. I'm not sure why you use the phrase "English name" unless you have a third AKA you have used.

You also frequently are on an Elistas group, Gnostic Shamanism. It's pretty clear you are not remotely traditional in your beliefs or practices, just an eclectic mix thrown together, and your claim of being able to cure AIDS is horrifying in the damage it can do.

You claim to be part of a Colombia community. If so, why sell ceremony in the UK?

And what are we to make of your belief in conspiracy theories, lizard people, Illuminati, etc?
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: SallyN on February 07, 2016, 12:34:47 am
I think some of these people have turned up in Glastonbury, UK. We have a local electronic message board where recently we've had several messages from someone called "Temachtiani Prabhu" looking for somewhere to live. The message reads

" Opportunity available for the right person to do a good noble deed:
We are all NGO workers, been living out in South America for the last few years, working with the campesinos and indigenous cultures of South America and involved in their struggle for survival. We are all back in the UK, and earnestly seeking a place for us to live.
We require : a place out in the countryside, with a garden where we can grow our food for the coming year. A house would be ideal, of minimum 2 to 4 bedrooms, unrenovated is fine, single-glazed windows and creaky doors not a problem.
We cannot house-share, nor live in someone else's space, as we are all committed to our NGO work, therefore we require our own place where we can live together, work together, and continue to focus on our project. We cannot volunteer, we are all engaged in full-time employment, we would rather come to an arrangement, to that end, we would be happy to pay rent.
Perhaps you have or know someone who has a property lying derelict in the countryside, a place that requires security, a dis-used pub, barn, farmstead, woods, or a corner of a field.

Feel free to get in contact, 07546443139.
May the road rise up to meet you!

The Shamanic and Ecological Association of Colombia.
__._,_.___"
The website of the above organisation is a very worrying mishmash of ayahuasca vision selling, misunderstood Hindu and Buddhist ideas, and dangerous misinformation about HIV and illness. Temachtiani Prabhu is clearly a false or assumed name, and I don't believe for a minute that these people are genuinely helping poor/indigenous people in south America. I will try to find out a bit more about them by asking around locally. Anyone UK- based have any more info?
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: GodsLove on March 21, 2016, 11:05:08 pm
It's been a while since I've been on this web forum.  I can see that there have been some developments since I last signed on nearly two years ago.

There is a lot I can say about people's response, but for now I will keep this short and to the point...

I will start by saying that I am a little surprised by the tone and hostility of the responses: I would not expect to see this kind of base-speech on a spiritual site, especially a site that declares itself an anti-hate zone.

As I said in my initial message, I know this group, many of them are my personal friends, and there are many people in the UK who have received help and guidance from this group.  They do not sell ceremony.  They do not sell weekend workshops or offer initiation, they do not sell "miracle cures", they don't claim to be curers of cancer and AIDS, and to my knowledge nobody in this group has ever claimed to be a shaman (and I think those who do would be expelled).  However, people go to them to ask for healing, and like all true healers, they are obliged by spiritual duty.

The reason why so little has been heard about this group for the last few years is because they have been living in nature, farming, working the land, far from the hustle and bustle, far from the internet.  In many ways, they are more authentic in their indigenous understanding and respect for life than the great majority of indigenous folks today who indeed no longer value their heritage and sell it away for commodity and recognition.

Your website claims that it is anti-racist, yet on this very comments thread you seem to be claiming that only people born of indigenous decent can really be true shamans and healers... How much more racist can you get!

I advise you all a word of warning, because false allegations have been made, criticism, slander and gossip has filled up this webpage, up to the point of violating rights of freedom and privacy, including the publishing of people's personal details.  New Age Fraud and its members are at the legal, moral and spiritual disadvantage in this witch-hunt.  Someone in this comments thread accused me of believing in bizarre conspiracy theories, but ironically it is the members of this forum who are the one's conspiring and theorising... something which I can't imagine authentic indians and indigenous would ever engage in!
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on March 22, 2016, 12:15:35 pm
GL (it's more than a little ironic you call yourself that given your post is one long angry deeply racist attack) do you have anything to say besides that attack?

Can you confirm "Inti" is actually Mr. Rosas? Can you confirm Mr. Hallowell's role in the group? Why do they and perhaps you hide what their actual names are?

Their own websites and your own words claim he cures AIDS. Why the sudden denial? Do you have any evidence of their supposed cures, besides your own claims?

And the usual racism coming from someone who has never experienced it, and the empty legal threats, the claim that any criticism is a witch hunt...we've seen this all before many times. So much for your "I'm so spiritual" front.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: earthw7 on May 16, 2016, 06:15:53 pm
I guess for me the reference again :o   In many ways, they are more authentic in their indigenous understanding and respect for life than the great majority of indigenous folks today who indeed no longer value their heritage and sell it away for commodity and recognition.

So what does this woman know about our people? Have they travel to the reservations of live among my people,
another white privilege attitude from people who don't think its wrong to steal another people culture.
when was this a spiritual site 
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: AnyName on June 09, 2016, 09:32:41 am
Hello to all people reading.
 
I am a member of the said association that is being attacked here on this forum.  We have been studying the content of your webpages, the tone of your messages, and we do not find anything indigenous or genuine in your webpages.  Your opinions and attitudes are not indigenous values or traditions, nor any way closely represent the true indigenous ray.

Instead, the tone, attitudes and opinions on this webpage appear more like a psy-ops from the CIA, KGB, Mossad, MI6, which is obvious because this webpage is essentially a spy and information gathering operation, pro-military, pro-hatred, divide and conquer, and this is far removed from the indigenous world view.

{Extended personal attack]
brainwashed into the Western way of thinking, far removed from any genuine indigenous way of thinking… at least you don’t hide that fact... or at least you hide it in plain sight.

To further prove this, this forum attacks our "faith healer"... our "faith healer" is a PLANT.  This is something fundamental and obvious to the indigenous all over the world, that the plants can heal.  With these attacks, NAFPS are only proving their own fraudulence.

At the very least, you are all blind believers and followers doing this work free of charge.  At the most some of you perhaps are actual perpetrators and deceivers on a pay role.  Whatever the case, whether you are doing all this out of ignorance or purposely and with ill-intention, whether you are doing this as a hobby for free or doing this as a paid job, YOU ARE ALL SERVANTS OF THE BEAST.

Owing to this, I wish to send you my sincere THANK YOU…  THANK YOU for your attacks, THANK YOU for your slanderous comments, because your webpage confirms to us that we are on the right path to God... All servants and slaves of the Great Beast hate the way of God, hate spirituality, despise truth (though they pretend to be living in truth), and they attack the true path and those who walk it.

NAFPS attacking us is a great omen for us, and so it should be for all people who they attack... Therefore, THANK YOU!
 
The people who believe and follow your webpages are already lost souls, people who love spying, slander, gossip, calumny.  These kind of people, like NAFPS, know nothing about indigenous wisdom, and they deserve a big deception, like NAFPS.  For that reason, NAFPS was created... as well as to confirm to the righteous that they are walking the right path!  Therefore, THANK YOU for your great service.

There is no one you can “convince” with your ridiculous website, because the people with God consciousness can see right through your [childish cursing] from a mile off... Once again, THANK YOU.

NAFPS are very much like the Scribes and Pharisees of Biblical times, that Jesus Christ spoke about so openly.  Read Matthew 23, to get a good insight into the psychology of NAFPS.

For example... Matthew 23, 28: Even so YE ALSO OUTWARDLY APPEAR RIGHTEOUS UNTO MEN, BUT WITHIN YE ARE FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND INIQUITY....  33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, HOW CAN YE ESCAPE THE DAMNATION OF HELL?

...
When I think of NAFPS, I think of the Scribes (writers) and Pharisees (know-it-all phoney spiritual authorities)...
...When I think of the Scribes and Pharisees, I think of NAFPS (a bunch of writers and know-it-all phoney spiritual authorities!).

Therefore, THANK YOU for your attacks and criticisms, we are very honoured indeed.

God bless you, and THANK YOU!
 
Always at your service.
 
Prabhu Temachtiani
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: White Horse on June 09, 2016, 01:50:36 pm
Anyname really you are going to quote the Bible?  WHY, The bible did NOT exist here until this land was "discovered" and "your" religion was  forced upon us.  Native Americans have always had our our beliefs in the Creator and you quoting the bible?  Tells me yo know NOTHING about Native American Culture Traditions and Ways of Life except for what a wasichu has taught you, which is obviously WRONG! 

I would also like to add, I have the right as an Actual Native American Assiniboine member of the Great Sioux Nation and I have the blessing of a Chief!

Chief Arvol Looking Horse Proclamation on the Protection of Ceremonies

It was decided, from March 9, 2003 and forward, there will be no non-Natives allowed in our sacred Ho-c'o-ka (our sacred alters)

Arvol Looking Horse is the 19th Generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe.

White Horse
Executive Director
American Indian Movement of Florida
 
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: earthw7 on June 20, 2016, 01:45:49 pm
Now this was funny I am Native i live on my reservation and live my way of life,
i know a fraud when we see them
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: SallyN on June 21, 2016, 11:49:11 am
I'm posting a video link to Temachtiani Prabhu's talk at the Green Gathering Festival in 2013. It's held in Chepstow, England every year. The vid. is about an hour long and is an illiterate mish-mash of basically every religious idea under the sun. He goes on and on about the "indigenous" without any awareness of the irony of him: a white, privileged person, speaking on behalf of, and instead of, the indigenous people themselves.

He also misrepresents indigenous south American religious beliefs and undermines their uniqueness. This, in my view, does violence to the people themselves.
The following is the text about the talk/video.
"A conference about the importance of the shamanic and indigenous ray of wisdom for our times, it's spiritual legacy. The term indigenous refers to people who live in close contact with nature, which is how all our ancestors used to live, and only in recent times is being lost globally en masse. The indigenous wisdom is for everyone who is authentically searching for their roots, whether one's skin colour is white, yellow, brown, red, black. Whether one's religious book is the Bible, Koran, Torah, the Vedas, the shamanic and indigenous wisdom is what turns those sacred texts back into a living alphabet of fire, still alive in the bosom of nature."

http://www.getlinkyoutube.com/watch?v=OwsRM5e3qqc
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Sparks on June 21, 2016, 06:24:00 pm
I guess I had enough of the video after a couple of minutes of "the 2012 events" (as skeptics knew both before and after they were non-existing events), and what the Mayans really were telling us. Then when Atlantis was mentioned as a fact I quit. Before that, there was also much conspiracy talk about what governments hide from the people.

What a shame and what a pity that such stupid drivel is allowed at "a festival with an environmental and social justice focus, including workshops and talks on permaculture, politics, ecology and crafts, as well as art, live music and spoken word performances." (Read more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Gathering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Gathering).)

I want to mention that the video site SallyN linked to is full of nasty click-bait commercials, so I preferred to watch what I was able to stand directly from YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwsRM5e3qqc
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: SallyN on June 21, 2016, 11:20:43 pm
Hi people,
Apologies if my link had inappropriate advertising. I use a flash and adblocker which means I don't see them, so I forget to check for them.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: truthseeker2 on November 18, 2017, 01:23:25 pm
The most dangerous thing about this organisation is it resembles a cult, and all community members within it do not realize this. The leader is a narcissist, whom all believe to be an advanced enlightened person, whom has expertise to realize everyone else's defects, never looking at his own, as he is beyond criticism. Also, he abuses the power and authority he has by having sex with several of the women in the organisation, as well as children. I would advise staying clear of this organisation whilst this abusive leader is still in charge.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on November 18, 2017, 03:39:55 pm
The most dangerous thing about this organisation is it resembles a cult, and all community members within it do not realize this. The leader is a narcissist, whom all believe to be an advanced enlightened person, whom has expertise to realize everyone else's defects, never looking at his own, as he is beyond criticism. Also, he abuses the power and authority he has by having sex with several of the women in the organisation, as well as children. I would advise staying clear of this organisation whilst this abusive leader is still in charge.

Thank you for this warning, valuable info.

What is the leader's actual name?

Has his claimed abuse of children been reported to law enforcement yet?
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: cheetos paws on November 28, 2017, 09:03:03 am
I agree w/ Piff. If you have knowledge of them abusing kids, or even suspect them to be doing so, definitely report them to the law enforcement agencies in your area. If you don't know where to start, these people may be able to help. https://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-you-can-do/report-abuse/.

That said, I'm sorry you got caught up in their nonsense, and glad you took the time to share your story with us. Hopefully this will plant the seed of doubt in others currently involved with this group, or better yet, hopefully it will be the artillery they need to walk away from this creepy group once and for all.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Shinefinder on November 28, 2017, 08:15:36 pm
The name of the leader is CESAR ENRIQUE MUNDACA PIZARRO.

He is Chilean and is identified in Colombia with "cedula extranjeria" C.E. 181.322.

He is known in the community as "Vasudev".
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on November 28, 2017, 11:30:27 pm
Cedula entranjera is foreigner's ID. Mundaca does show up on sites teaching a mix of Gnostic and Tantric ideas. Still unclear if he's of the same group. He uses the email mamakunapa.co.uk, consistent with a Chilean or Colombian in Britain.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on November 29, 2017, 02:02:40 am
Archives of their shamanismoflight.com : https://web.archive.org/web/*/shamanismoflight.org (https://web.archive.org/web/*/shamanismoflight.org)
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on November 29, 2017, 02:36:24 am
http://chamanismognostico.webs.com/introduccion.htm

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VASUDEV                                                                                                                                                       

Director General

<mamakunapa@yahoo.co.uk>
chamanismognostico-alta@elistas.net

Can anyone identify the man in the image I uploaded here?
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on November 29, 2017, 02:59:44 am
Gnostisismo Revolutionario de la Concienca de Krishna

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=124

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The community is led by a shaman named Vasudev who has been living in the jungle and working with Yajé for 17 years during which time he has studied with a number of indigenous shamans from Caqueta and Putamayo.

Those who live in the community follow a number of disciplines such as preparation through diet and the practice of tantra in their relationships. Menstruating and pregnant women are not permitted to drink yaje, but the children in the community do participate in the ceremonies. Menstruation is seen as a sacred time for inner quiet, rest, purification and artistic expression. The women spend this time away from the rest of the group, in a 'women's hut' (Ranchito).

Members of the community undergo an initiation when they feel ready to accept the Way of Yaje as their spiritual path. The initiates head is shaved and he or she is given a spiritual name in a ceremony in front of the yaje altar. The ritual signifies the commitment of the initiate to yaje as their spiritual teacher.

A number of English people have visited this group

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After a while Vasudev went to the altar to begin the ritual. A bowl of burning Paulo Santo (an incense for purification) was brought into the room and we all stood to pray for protection and guidance in the ritual.

After drinking we chew some more coca and then lie down on blankets which have been laid out on the floor.

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I look in the direction of Vasudev just as the chanting is stopping and I see him presiding over a portal, a kind of window into other worlds. Then, to my surprise, he turns and looks directly at me; "There are many forces." he says.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on November 29, 2017, 03:17:33 am
https://forums.ayahuasca.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=20193&hilit=vasudev

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I can tell you that the Gnosticismo Revolucionario De La Conciencia de Krishna and Gnostic Shamanism Of Light are the same group.

The Name Gnosticismo Revolucionario De La Conciencia de Krishna is an earlier name of the group

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We now have a video interview with the Shaman Vasudev, the founder of our community posted on Youtube with the title "The Fundamentals Of Shamanism Of Light" in 4 parts


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N31tHUQagoY
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Shinefinder on November 29, 2017, 05:00:53 pm
The man pictured in reply #30, in the picture titled "who is this" is Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro, AKA Vasudev, the "shaman" and the leader of this group.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Shinefinder on November 29, 2017, 05:10:08 pm
http://chamanismognostico.webs.com/introduccion.htm

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VASUDEV                                                                                                                                                       

Director General

<mamakunapa@yahoo.co.uk>
chamanismognostico-alta@elistas.net

Can anyone identify the man in the image I uploaded here?

This is Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on November 29, 2017, 10:34:19 pm
Thank you Shinefinder!

Do you know if this group has a company registered in UK? There is a free UK search here: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/

Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: SallyN on December 08, 2017, 03:54:48 pm
I can't find anything to do with the group on the link you posted. It would help if you could give some names to search, I mean personal names of people rather than groups.
Could you let me know a little more about why you need this information? - I'm based in the UK and am an academic researcher, so might be able to help you out with resources/intel.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on December 08, 2017, 05:13:54 pm
I can't find anything to do with the group on the link you posted. It would help if you could give some names to search, I mean personal names of people rather than groups.
Could you let me know a little more about why you need this information? - I'm based in the UK and am an academic researcher, so might be able to help you out with resources/intel.

I posted that link in case anyone knows what the group currently calls itself, that is if it is actually registered.

Our main focus here is:

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Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro, AKA Vasudev, the "shaman" and the leader of this group.

Reading through this whole thread gives some info on why further info on the group and leader is wanted.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Sparks on December 11, 2017, 01:00:06 am
The name of the leader is CESAR ENRIQUE MUNDACA PIZARRO.
He is Chilean and is identified in Colombia with "cedula extranjeria" C.E. 181.322.
He is known in the community as "Vasudev".

Google search for the exact phrase "Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro" yields only one hit (in addition to this NAFPS thread):

https://www.expedientes.co/buscar/?q=Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro (https://www.expedientes.co/buscar/?q=Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro)

Seems he is being sued or something in a process of law, but you have to pay to get further details.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Sparks on December 11, 2017, 01:05:23 am
Google Translate from Spanish to English:

Quote from: https://translate.google.no/translate?hl=no&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.expedientes.co%2Fbuscar%2F%3Fq%3DCesar%20Enrique%20Mundaca%20Pizarro
ENTER REGISTER SEE PLANS Claim Models
Consultation of judicial processes in Colombia

Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro

We found 2 subjects with the word Cesar Enrique Mundaca Pizarro
CITY   KIND   PARTS   SEE DETAIL   FOLLOW
FLORENCE   Expropriation   
CESAR ENRIQUE - MUNDACA PIZARRO --- defendant
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Sean Crabb on February 06, 2018, 12:30:11 pm
NAME - [deleted]

This is the individual who appears here and posts as Shinefinder.

He lives in [deleted] and went to [deleted].

The following (below) is a report that I have received from the Psychological Rehabilitation Team of the community mentioned here -  I advise the moderators to check well the procedence of the accusations that appear on this forum and that people reading this should observe that a number of the members of the forum seem to believe without question the accusations posted by Shinefinder and "Turthseeker2.

According to the forum activity Truthseeker2 joined the forum on 15th November 2018 and on 18th November posted unfounded accusations about the community in question.

Ten days later, Shinefinder, who joined the forum October 18th 2016 and showed no previous activity or posts until co-incidentally appearing and giving the name of the community leader who was subject to the accusations registering comments on 28th & 29th November. Since that date this person who is here named as [deleted] has not shown further activity or posts.
Meanwhile "truthseeker2" logged on last on 30th November, presumably to check on the activity of his/her sidekick [deleted]... If indeed they are not one and the same person.

I therefore reproduce this communication that I have received from the community and post it here on their behalf.

PSYCHOLOGICAL REHABILITATION TEAM, HAS THE DUTY TO INFORM YOU THAT....

[Extended defamation and personal information removed, including passport #, address, etc. Such stalking will not be allowed at this forum.]

 We have no doubt that "Piff" and others are other psychopaths who have nothing more to do than speak ill of us through this page.

Do not believe the false comments posted on this page by people full of anger, envy and psychiatric problems. Our organization has recognition in various countries of Latin America, we are not sexual abusers or abuse of children or anything that these people with mental disorders have invented about us. Nor is there any lawsuit of this kind against us, this is a farce of sick people. They should know that every psychopath who rebels against his doctor or psychologist invents or imagines this kind of thing.

SINCERELY

Psychological Rehabilitation Team
Chamanismo  Gnostico de la luz
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on February 06, 2018, 04:06:29 pm
Sean Crabb has been put on moderated status for this post. He posted defamation and libel about someone reporting on an abusive cult. He also posted their identity, home address, photo, and even their passport number.

Basically he facilitated or was taking part in stalking. Whether he did this to try and silence and intimidate that person, or was so naive he didn't realize he was doing that, I'm not sure. I'll let him defend his actions in emails, if he can.

Notice also that the cult refers to one NAFPS member by name as a "psychopath" and no doubt they libel anyone else who criticized them the same.

I'd say it's a pretty good sign we're on the right track. The cult is deeply scared. They hide who their leaders actually are and practice all the classic signs of being a cult, including demonizing and targeting those who leave the cult.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on February 07, 2018, 02:30:15 am
The phone number mentioned in http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3522.msg42205#msg42205 associated with a "Temachtiani Prabh" also turns up here:

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Tuesday, Jun 14th 2016
Sun Street Chapel
From 19:00pm to 10:00am
Sun Street, Frome, Somerset, BA11 3DA
07546443139

...A look into the spiritual roots of Albion's sovereignty. A talk and presentation, looking into the mists, myths, folk-lore and mystery of ancient Britain.

A new perspective on the Arthurian traditions, the sacred land, the stone circles, and the history of how a once-sovereign people become the very perpetrators of invasion and imperialism.

£4 suggested donation.

A fund-raising event to help indigenous peoples of Colombia, South America, with a stall selling medicines, jewellery, incense, coffee, cacao and coca.

The enslavement of one people or nation is the enslavement of all peoples and nations...
...The liberation of one people or nation is the liberation of all peoples and nations...

http://www.frome.towntalk.co.uk/events/d/122955/celtic-mysticism-the-spiritual-roots-of-sovereignty/
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Sandy S on February 07, 2018, 02:41:31 am
Sean Crabb as part of the "Psychological Rehabilitation Team" must be a professional in the field of psychology with impressive academic credentials to make such sweeping pronouncements, especially when dishing out the diagnosis of "psychopath."  Who is on this Team and what is on their resumes?



Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Sparks on February 07, 2018, 09:55:09 am
Sean Crabb has been put on moderated status for this post.

See also the thread started by Sean Crabb asking a lot of questions:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5131.0 [Sean Crabb Questions]
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: Piff on February 08, 2018, 05:41:23 am
Google translation:

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Today there are currents and doctrines that proclaim the struggle of the sexes. Feminism, machismo, homosexuality, lesbianism, are degenerative tendencies that aim to create a polarity in Nature, atrophying natural and divine laws with a consequent degeneration of the human race.

Original: http://www.freewebs.com/chamanismognostico/lasexualidadsagrada.htm

This destructive group cult leader comes across grim and dogmatic in his Fundamentals of Shamanism of Light video series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N31tHUQagoY

He patterns his teachings after Samael Aun Weor  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael_Aun_Weor

He has a lot of "one true way" rhetoric - his way is the only proper way, the rest are bad according to him.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on February 08, 2018, 04:37:06 pm
"Sean Crabb" sent this msg.

"Hi there - yes well so you banned me, don;t know how I am supposed to reply but I don;t have a problem that you ban me to be honest.... but "Shinefinder" posted defamatory comments about someone you don;t know - Is that not the same thing?"

And my response to him.

--------

It can't help but appear that you are part of this cult and the questions in the other thread were flimsy cover before you posted defamation.

Do you admit to being a member or leader? Do you wish to post a defense of their abuse and deceptions?

Criticism is not defamation, by definition. Stalking, posting addresses, even ID#s, fit the common pattern of cults targeting ex members.

If you had exculpatory evidence, you could have posted that, eg showing the person accused was not present during the times abuse was alleged. Because you didn't, anyone reasonable would presume no such evidence exists.
Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: oldheart on May 07, 2018, 01:12:40 pm
[Extended rants, falsehoods, and personal attacks]

I can vouch that the community you are attacking and defaming are very noble people and are true to their shamanic lineage and teachings. Also the psycologists of this community are top class pyschologists, who have helped me immensely,  and have given up the cult to the material capitalist system and have attuned themselves to a shamanic way of life and have helped many a person that has visited and lived within the community.

Title: Re: "Inti Ananda" & Shamanism of Light
Post by: educatedindian on May 07, 2018, 07:28:20 pm
"oldheart" claims the name of G Sandler. He repeated most of the actions of "Sean Crabb," extended rants, personal attacks, and defamation. We don't allow that. And my response to him is the same.

It can't help but appear that you are part of this cult. At least you admit to that. Your defense of their abuse and deceptions is little but "You're wrong!" with nothing to back it up.

If you had exculpatory evidence, you could have posted that. Because you didn't, anyone reasonable would presume no such evidence exists.

"Noble people" and "top class psychologists" typically don't engage in stalking, defamation, and hiding their identities. And "shamanic way of life" is an empty Nuage phrase. Actual healers and medicine people don't use it.