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General => Frauds => Topic started by: TimberlineWarrior on August 22, 2005, 06:27:30 pm
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There is a local drumming group that my wife and I have been watching, she has joined their mailing list and they sent this out to her this evening. My alarm bells rang the second I read he's a Native American Shaman!
Here is the complete mail, headers and all...
From: BRALESSBOHEMIAN@aol.com
To: pranamotion@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:16 PM
Subject: Native American Indian Chief Sonne Reyna
Hello,
I thought that you may be intersted in coming to meet Chief Sonne Reyna,
Nawal (Shaman) of the Native Amercian Indian lineage of the Yaqui people.
Sonne is on tour in Europe in the next month and he is doing evening talks in Glastonbury
on Friday 26th August and in Wiltshire on Sunday 28th August.
These talks will be followed by a Ceremonial healing event on Monday 29th at a Tipi Site near Avebury in Wiltshire during the day.
The ceremony is called Healing Ancestral Grief or sometimes also known as
Wiping Away The Tears.
This is an ancient ceremonial healing process and calls in very powerful magic.
If you would like to attend the Ceremony the price is £55 for the day and will be
held on a Tipi site close to Avebury, Wiltshire.
Those of you who would like to come to the talk on Sunday and attend the ceremony on Monday are welcome to stay overnight in the Tipi after Sonne's talk. (an overnight price of only £10)
Details of venues and directions and times will be supplied as requested.
Drop us a line if you would like to book a place or if you would like more information either by return of email
or you can call :
Sam on 07710 516 794 /
Michelle on 07778 241 940 or home no. 01276 489 116
Thankyou
Yahete
Michelle and Sam xxxx
(PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO ANYBODY YOU THINK MAY BE INTRESTED)
I found this web site for Sonne Reyna....
http://www.lightstreamers.com/Chief_Sonne_Reyne.htm
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Take a look at who else is on that site. Some of their self descriptions are laugh out loud funny:
http://www.lightstreamers.com/lecturers.htm
ALFRED BIELEK, Survivor of the Astonishing Philadelphia Experiment and it's successor The Montauk Project. Al survived time-warping, invisibility and electromagnetic zapping. He was aboard the USS Eldridge for the final test conducted in the Philadelphia Harbor in 1943.
Angel and Eric Brodsky are the founders of The Universal One Foundation and Universal One Publishers.
Art Martin, D.D., M.A. -Art is a healer and therapist who, since 1980, has developed Neuro/Cellular Repatterning-a powerful new technique for healing the mind/body/spirit connection.
BARBARA MARK & TRUDY GRISWOLD co-authors of Angelspeake: How to Talk with Your Angels, The Angelspeake Storybook and The Angelspeake Book of Prayer and Healing. Their Angelspeake seminars have been featured on many national television and radio programs including ABC-TV's Good Morning America, CBS-TV's Leeza Show and Entertainment Tonight, and The Cristina Show on Univision, the Spanish speaking network.
CARRIE SHUBERT, EXPERIENCE ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST AMAZING PSYCHICS! Carrie believes that psychic ability is a spiritual gift meant to provoke joy, not fear. You will laugh with her while being truly amazed at what she "sees" from the other dimensions.
DANNION BRINKLEY - What's this fool thinking about this week. You can find what Dannion is thinking in each issue of Streaming News.
Darrell G. Yardley, Ph.D., teacher and author of WindWalker: Journey into Science, Self, and Spirit, and over 50 other articles in biology, sociology, spirituality, and counseling. Darrell is certified in advanced clinical hypnotherapy and energy release (breathwork) therapy. He teaches meditation (Zen and insight) and has worked with indigenous healers in the United States and Mexico.
DAVE HALL, from the Center for Cellular Health with his amazing CELLERCISE program! CAN THIS MAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE IN JUST 10 MINUTES A DAY?! You’ll never look at exercise the same way again.
DONNA MCGRATH, An “Out of this World??? Light Experiencer and Psychic. In 1994, Donna McGrath left a successful scientific research and sales career behind to lead the spiritual life of a contemporary mystic
DONNA REIS, ColorVision's™ Founder DONNA REIS, Certified Chromatologist, an expert in the field of Chromatology (the study of color and light on all living things). Donna developed the only non-programmable aura imaging camera on the world-wide market today.
DR. LEONARD HOROWITZ, the Author of the critically acclaimed best seller: Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola-Nature, Accident or Intentional?,
EAGLE SOARING, a Medicine Wheel artist and creator of custom Power Shields, is a lecturer and teacher of Native American wisdom.
JESSE WOLF HARDIN (once known as Lone Wolf Circles) is an acclaimed presenter, and the author of numerous books including Full Circle: A Song of Earthen Spirituality (Llewellyn, ‘91) and Kindred Spirits (SwanRaven, 2000). His two decades worth of public appearances and published works have helped define “Deep Ecology???
ROBERT GHOST WOLF is a celebrated author of four books and continues a career as an accomplished multi-media artist. As a Real Life Indiana Jones, Robert enjoys a unique passion for life, possessing many gifts, and talents, which have earned him recognition for his work the world over. Robert has been a featured guest on many national television shows including NBC's Ancient Prophecies, Fox's Strange Universe, UFOAZ and Arizona Today, and is well known to the Coast to Coast Radio listening audience.
TRICIA McCANNON, is an American mystic and the author of the long awaited book "Dialogues With the Angels". Her new books "Nine Steps to Self-Mastery", "Blue Print of the Soul" and "Beings of Light, Worlds in Transition" are due out in later this year.
WILLIAM HENRY, Investigative Mythologist and Intuitive in Ancient Spiritual Mysteries. Author of: One Foot In Atlantis, The Secrets of the Birdtribe - Lost Stargate Artifacts and Spiritual Teachings, and Blue Apples - The Secrets of the Holy Blood, The Holy Grail and the Holy Light, The Peacemaker and the Key of Life, The Secret Occult History of WWII and It's Impact on New Age Politics.
WIND HUGHES Earth-based, Native American & Transcendent Teachings WELCOME, we've been waiting for you.
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More on Sonne Reyna. Check out the big grin and the beret:
http://www.sonnereyna.com/
"Also known as Whirlwind Eagle Wolf."
That's one funny twink name. I'm trying to picture an eagle and wolf caught up in a whilrwind...
And on some sites he uses the BRITISH spelling, "wolfe".
"He is a Graduate of Theology and Communication Arts from the University of Texas, Arlington, USA."
Does he mean graduated In theology and comm?
"He is from Yaqui-Carrizo Coahuilteka Nations of North America."
Interesting. The Coahuilteca are near me. Some are white Nuage wannabes who dress in Roman togas, some have ancestry. But they don't claim to be a nation since they've been scattered for decades.
The Carrizos, as far as I know, haven't been around for two centuries. And neither group lived near the Yaqui.
"Carlos Castaneda wrote many books about the amazing Yaqui Indians who are world famous for their spiritual wisdom."
He cites the King of Frauds? Proudly?
"Chief Sonne Reyna is Nawal Eagle Clan Chief, Traditional Sun Dancer and Sun Dance Society Peace Chief. He is interfaith Minister and Global Ambassador for the Natural and Supernatural worlds."
ROFL! An ambassador to the supernatural? Do Scully and Mulder know this? Like the creative spelling for Nagual, which is a title not used by Yaquis anyway.
He also sells just about everything, weddings and namings. He's also based in Germany, nowhere near Yaqui people.
http://www.sonnereyna.com/program.htm
http://www.sonnereyna.com/sonne.htm
"12.00 & 03.01: Master Shamanic Training, Oakland, Ca, USA"
Probably where he learned "shamanism."
"07.01: Graduate, Astropsychology & divine astrology, Dr. Louis Turi, AZ, USA "
Turi is himself quite a character.
http://www.drturi.com/
"In 1993 he received a metaphysical Doctorate from the Progressive Universal Life Church based in Sacramento, California. His notoriety skyrocketed after rekindling, practicing and teaching Nostradamus’ rare Divine Astrology method, which he calls Astropsychology....He writes a yearly periodical with all these predictions, called "Moon Power Starguide." The printing process makes the proof of his predictions totally unarguable."
LOL! Does it really?
http://www.rfma.net/archives/000097.html
"self-described "prophet" Dr. Louis Turi, a failed scam artist who bought his PhD at a diploma mill for $350, and whose predictions never seem to come true."
http://www.rense.com/general10/latenight.htm
"I find the "Dr. Louis Turi: Astropsychology Readings" portion of your schedule to be ridiculous and almost funny if wasn't so pathetic. I believe "Dr." Turi to be a fraud who isn't even very imaginative in his repetitive horoscopes. "
Other questionalbe types Reyna associates with, including Lewis Mehl Madrona:
http://www.arizonachoices.com/conf_presenters.html
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Somehow missed this post, thankx Barnaby for pointing it out.
Well Sox, is coming to stay for the weekend, Glastonburys not to far, and Avebury in Wiltshire, is about 10 minutes away.
Piya
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With so much support how can Dr. Turi be a fraud?
Check his site and predictions at www.drturi.com and judge for yourself first.
From Mike
DTteam
From: Mashubi ////l
To: 'Dragon Newsletter'
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: 2006 Moon Power
Thank you Dr. Turi. ? I discovered your site this springtime, and I immediately discovered the truth of the gift that God has given to you. ? I looked back to your Moon Power ? from December 2004 because ? I had taken a really difficult journey to see my family a few months before at Christmastime. ? Your guidance was completely right on. ? You said that anyone traveling on that date might end up stranded in an airport!! ? It’s too bad I hadn’t found you before I made my plane reservations. ? J ? I was stranded in a blizzard for two days and racked up a huge hotel bill while I waited for the storm to pass. ? ? I now have learned from what you’ve taught about the cycles of the moon, and am grateful for your work.... ?
Mashubi Rochell
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From: Bill Kinchen
To: Dr.Turi@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: Greetings
Hello Dr. Turi: ? Well, once again, you have been right on target with your predictions....My sense is that your August 29th date of thousands relocating could very easily come from a Major Hurricanne. ? Bill Kinchen
You're a winner, a high flying star. ? God's ? gift to the world. ? Yes you are,
yes you are. ? Rabbi ? Happyman
Hello Dr. Turi,
Congratulation on your sorrowful accuracy of the most recent "Terrorist Attack....
Sincerely
Victor
Please send me your free Moon Power Book so that I may evolve to a higher plateau of awareness and can apply this knowledge to my life. I need all the help I can get.
Sincerely,
Debbie
Dear Dr. Turi:
? Please keep me on your Dragon Newsletter. ?
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My alarm bells rang the second I read he's a Native American Shaman!
actually there's lots there to ring bells! Take Alfred Bieleck and the Philadelphia Experiment... http://skepdic.com/philadel.html
The Navy gets so many requests for info from believers of the story that they have this page http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm
I find it interesting how the "dead" UFO "field" has found a new audience with crowds like this one. Looks like it is revival time with everyone wanting to make a buck and sell a book.
LindaR
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Mike:
There are a lot of ways you could've defended Turi's business, which to most people looks like outright looniness and fraud. But spamming us with half a dozen posts with maybe twenty testimonials wasn't the right way to do it.
Not only was it childish, it sure didn't provide any evidence whatsoever to change anyone's mind about Turi. A couple dozen testimonials don't prove anything without knowing, first of all, just how many clients he has. Since he makes a living at this, it would seem to be at least hundreds of clients, so twenty testimonials is only a small percent of alleged right guesses he "predicted."
Most of those comments only show how gullible or desperate to believe many people are. For example:
"You said that anyone traveling on that date might end up stranded in an airport!!"
Oh brother...on any given night MANY people are stranded in airports.
"Well, once again, you have been right on target with your predictions....My sense is that your August 29th date of thousands relocating could very easily come from a Major Hurricanne."
Please...on any given date, not just thousands but hundreds of thousands are relocating somewhere on the planet.
"You're a winner, a high flying star. God's gift to the world. Yes you are, yes you are. Rabbi Happyman"
Rabbi Happyman? ROFL! No comment needed...
"Congratulation on your sorrowful accuracy of the most recent "Terrorist Attack...."
There have been terrorist attacks somewhere in the world, almost every week, sometimes daily, for how many years now?
Now if he said, "an attack on US troops in Iraq in city X on the exact date and time, using method X" then he could claim success.
And then I would wonder why he hasn't gone to the Pentagon, instead of selling predictions on a website?
In fact, if he is supposedly so accurate, why isn't he wealthier than Bill Gates from knowing what the Stock Market will do?
"Please send me your free Moon Power Book so that I may evolve to a higher plateau of awareness and can apply this knowledge to my life. I need all the help I can get. "
Once again, no comment necessary, except perhaps she really does need a lot of help.
What Turi does, ANYONE could do, throw out incredibly vague predictions and then claim "success" when a few of them seem to be "right".
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Hey Barnaby..can you contact Piya and I tomorrow if you can..we have more contact details on this event.
Thanks very much
Miamowi
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"Chief" Sonne Reyna is a supposed "Chief" of the Sundance...his words to Piya and myself last night in Wiltshire...Sonne as I will not grace his name with the prefix "Chief" talks some good BS. Sonne was somewhat startled to see a couple of natives from back home walking down the path towards him and his cohorts..we had just inspected the teepees which were a motley lot covered in mildew and the remains of spliffs and those baggies in which wacky baccy can be found. The whole site was very Nuage.. we also saw a suspicious circle which could have been the site for a sweat..this when we came back down to the entrance of the site had been covered up by some old sacks.
Sonne claimed to have been made a "Chief" of the Sundance at Rosebud and was great friends with Chief Arvol Lookinghorse.
Sonne claimed to have been given permission by his fathers people to conduct ceremonies and prayers in Europe and wherever he could spread the word. Sonne threw around famous or well known ndn names like they were going out of style and of course they were all his brothers.
Sonne claimed when I tackled him on the selling of ceremonies for money..£55.00 per person for the ceremony today...he claimed he had his fathers peoples permisson to do this..when I told him this is not the nations way to "sell" ceremony..he changed the subject and then claimed he did not agree with selling sweats for money.
I told Sonne that he is being watched very carefully and full reports will be going back to all Nations on his nefarious activities and no matter how quiet theses events were arranged..Piya and I will find out about it..whether it is he or someone else who turns up hoping to make a fast buck out of bastardising our customs.
The meeting ended needless to say with Sonne becoming rather petty and spitting the word "wannabee" into Barnabys face..Barnaby I have to say is a really nice guy and the last one to be called "wannabee"
Sonne knew he was found out and knew he had been beat!
Piya and I confirm this man is an out and out fraud.
Miamowi
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I don't think the Yaqui even do sweats do they? Certainly not Sundances, they're pretty devout Catholics.
Wish I could've been there to see that and watch you make him squirm. I'd ask him how he claimed to be a people that hasn't been around for two centuries, the Carrizo. Also could've mentioned the names of local Coahuilteca organizations and seen his reaction.
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Would have been nice to have Looking Horse's proclamation against non-Lakota's doing sundance.;)
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Yaaa..this guy even claimed to be Member of AIM,Texas Branch..only cause he saw Piya wearing his AIM cap and I was wearing Annie Mae's Memorial t-shirt..huh..talked to Zoi Lightfoot about this today..she said she would have made him eunuch if she had got hold of him..hehehe..no need..guy was sweating buckets when he saw us!
We would like to thank Barnaby for meeting up with us and joining us! Great GUY and new friend!
Miamowi
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Texas Aim, hmm, why don't you email them and ask?
American Indian Movement of Texas(AIMTX@yahoo.com
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Good Morning debbieredbear! I tried that yahoo group but it isnt coming up now..I will do a further search..thing is I should have asked him at the time for his duly elected branch Aim Leaders name and his number..trouble is I just dismissed him as a crackpot..I could have then check it with Zoi Lightfoot..she is LP's cousin and lives in the UK..LOL..she said she would have made him a eunuch..chuckles...
Miamowi
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..she is LP's cousin and lives in the UK..LOL..she said she would have made him a eunuch..chuckles...
When she has finished, could you put her on a flight over to me? I´ve got loads of work for her!
:D :D :D
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That was fun, wasn't it?
Yes, it was great to meet you, Piya and Miamowi. Hoping we can meet up again next time I'm up that way, or you guys are down this way.
We forgot to ask Reyna about his military service record, by the way.
Edit: just a few words on Reyna's style of BS.
Before he worked out what was happening, he started out making reference to cottonwood trees, saying while pointing to some nearby willows that all the cottonwoods around where we were standing reminded him of home, and that they were "always talking" to him. Cottonwoods don't grow in the UK.
There were also allusions to getting plenty of roadkill on the drive to Wiltshire, and some other "I'm down with the skins back home" stuff.
Also, the place we thought was a sweatlodge was covered with mats the whole time we were there, I think. Let's be charitable: maybe they were just starting a little garden there, using expensive coir mats suitable for sitting on to kill the weeds, rather than black plastic like everyone else does.
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Debbieredbear,
The Texas AIM e mail addy doesnt work anymore, so I have contacted AIM GGC and asked them to pass on the e mail I had written about the " Chief "
Barnaby, now them cotton trees were something weren.t they, lol. I mean the guy has done plenty of Sundances, he knows what one looks like, or should do.
Piya
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Guess what.. I have been spreading the news about old "Chiefy Boy" amongst the nations and one of my nations has come up with the following web addy of "Chiefy Boys" movements..ir:Calender..he is moving straight for Denmark.
Here's the web addy for you!
http://www.sonnereyna.com/news.htm
Lol@Viking lady! I assure you Zoi would be only too happy to help if she is not too busy presenting cases in the UN...kinda think she has LP on her mind first and foremost though which is understandable!
Sees ya.
Miamowi
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Chuckles here Barnaby..you are really too kind and charitable and gentlemanly about the mats..lolololol
Miamowi
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OMG!! ROFLMAO! The great shaman didn't know the difference between a willow and a cottonwood?? Haha!
Anyway, there is someone on one of my lists who I believe is in Texas AIM. So I sent and email and asked.
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Barnaby, now them cotton trees were something weren.t they, lol. I mean the guy has done plenty of Sundances, he knows what one looks like, or should do.
1980-1996 at Rosebud with Leonard Crow Dog, wasn't it? I was wondering whether you guys plan to do anything about Kaya Tipis, the people who brought him to Wiltshire. Maybe he told them the same stories. If so, let me know if I can help.
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I have made contact with someone from AIM. Seems he was buds with some of them when he was calley Sonny Reyna. Also, the current Yaqui chief is a female.
Oh, and this is the San Juan Indian Council:
http://sjbca.com/indian.html
And this will be of interest:
University of Texas at Arlington does not have a theology department (says he has a degree in theology and communication arts from there). http://www.uta.edu/communication/
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Oh, and Sky just called Arvol's home. This man IS NOT a friend of Arvol's. No way. She's doing some more research on him.
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Oh and Sky also sent this:
"As far as I can tell he didn't come out of the woodwork until 96 at a
Wompanoag gathering. That leads me to believe that he has ties with
Medicine Story. Which reminds me...if I can find a certain pic of Medicine
Story can you post it to NAFPS for me? I don't have the time to participate
in the discussions and I hate just popping in once a year or so. It's not
really fair of me to do that. And tell everyone there I said hello!"
So, if I have pics to post, who can I send them to? I have a pic of Sonny Reyna on my email now.
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Kwe Sky...Welalin for all the info on Sonne!
I am the Mi'kmaq living in the UK at the mo. Coming home to Unamaki for a weeks vacation in September..cant wait.
You have done a lot of research on Sonne Reyna and this is much appreciated! Welalin again!
Miamowi
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Oh my husband uses that one on the twinks too! Haha!
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Kwe Sky..chuckles here..I would love to try that one on the twinks here...we..Piya and I ..go to the "Pow Wows" here in the UK...isnt wierd when a ndn feels out of place at a Pow Wow eh?
At the last one..there was a news camera crew..they spotted us and asked if we were participating..certainly not we replied..asked if we were enjoying ourselves....nope..so many violations of our customs we are not happy about..the broadcast wasnt aired needless to say.
The organiser of the event..he came up and asked if we were enjoying ourselves..my reply..the crow hop dance..it is not done this way..his answer..was it was their "own interpretation"..I mean come on...ya mean to say us ndn's dont know what our own dances are?..yeah right!
Lol..I kinda get on my high horse when I see this type of thing happening!
I mean to say..these wannabees dress in regalia the normal everyday ndn cant afford to have!
And then they get over from the US special visitors normally from Rosebud..ok..now these Visitors see Piya and me..but will they talk to us..nope..lol..maybe case of I see you Tonto?..chuckles here..
As for Sonne boy..we will get him exposed one way or another! You can bet on that!
Anyhows..gotta go now I talked off the hind leg...lol...
Nmultes
Miamowi
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I got this reply off another site in response to my post about Sonne. I have not included the authors name for privacy.
here is some info although i only speak from personal exp and from what i know from other/s comments and experiences shared with me.
i am from reyna's part of calif. i know this man and i know of his reputation which is quite controversial because of his history of what some call "selling" ndn knowledge, spirituality etc.he may have a good intent i cannot say because i am not him but i never did trust him instinctively. nasty temper. i had a run in with him once at his Indian Market event which he sponsors every year in san juan bautista. a woman was trying to "recruit" me to his camp and i said i heard \he sold the ceremonoies. she called him and his woman over and repeated my comment. the man and his then wife known as bluebird woman both went ballistics. hmmmmmmmmmmm guilty conscience mebee?
anyway seems he has been keeping busy
i noticed on one of his web pages he now is yaqui. a long time ago he was lakota or so i was told. ?
ahhhh i dare say no more or my little birdie fedders may get plucked
Miamowi
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More that Ingeborg found on German sites.
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did another search and found a few entries.
BTW, I wondered about the first name he uses now, Sonne, as it is the German
word for 'sun'. After what I found below, it's not all that much of a
surprise.
I also found entries which say that HV is a psychotherapist living in the
German town of Heilbronn, but you probably know this. I am a bit surprised to
see that HV does not have a website in his capacity as a psychotherapist
since most of them seem to have one.
I also would like to add that 'psychotherapist' is no protected term here in
Germany, quite unlike psychologist. Each and any Tom, Dick, and Harry may
call themselves a psychotherapist and open up shop. As long as their
customers do not complain to the police, they can pretty much go ahead.
Here's the translation of a part of a website which contains info on HV:
www.indianermuseum-bretten.de
" Visitors were heads over heels, too, when they got to know the story of the
man under whose auspices this event happened. Only six years ago, Henry Reyna
learned that he is the great-grandson of the famous Chief Geronimo. The
sociologist and psychotherapist living in the town of Heilbronn for a long
time took no interest in the history of his family. His mother had always
told him that his father was a Mexican. In 1996, he tried to find his father.
Although he did find him, but it was only 3 years later that his father broke
his silence and talked about his roots. "A descendant of Geronimo? He's got
to be joking", he remembers his reaction upon first hearing this. After more
research, this became a certainty and as he knows now, his father meant to
protect him, as he is the last male descendant. "
I found another website with his name and phone number:
www.babaji.at
Seems that HV in 2003 was not quite able to tell Indians and Indians apart
[sarcasm off], since his name got put up as a 'local contact for the first
step pf Babaji's Kriya Yoga":
Henry Reyna & Nicole Koss
e-mail: hvreyna85@aol.com
0049 / 6297-929 777
This sounds more as a typical nuage career - picking up bits and pieces from
everywhere around the globe.
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Just a quick hit and run, there are several recent posts from our friends the Billingtons I'd like to reply to, also one from Sue. Great to see lots of new people posting, hello everyone.
http://harmonywinterfestival.com/photogalleries/sonnereynavideo/sonnereynavideo.html
I gather some people who have known Reyna in the past find it hard to believe he's sold himself and his people: this video removes all doubt.
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HUh! Thanks for the update..he better not DARE to set foot again in the UK! Seems there is a double of his in Germany who also claims to be the Great Grandson of Geronimo(claims he had a DNA test done..what you reckon..he desecrated Geronimo's grave and dug him up to get the DNA?)..this guy has the same surname! Oh..and happens to come from the same area and happens to be able to do Sundance AND happens to be on first names with all great Chiefs who ever lived!
Miamowi
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Barnaby..can you move this under frauds please...I cant find the original thread under archives.
However, he is back up to his old tricks again and despite having been warned off British 3 years ago by Barnaby(who he was very very rude to) and myself is back now as "Chief"
http://www.glastonbury.co.uk/pages/site.php?pgid=284
Sighs...he needs to learn a harsh lesson in life!
Linda Lou
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Couldn't have gone this weekend unfortunately. I think you did the warning: I just asked him some questions he didn't like, so he called me a 'wannabe' for the benefit of his supporters. Isn't that ironic?
Anyway, here's video of Reyna in action. Prime ham, I think:
http://www.youtube.com/v/gvdRciL_uYw&hl
This is the website of the organisation running the event on Glastonbury.
http://www.mayadreamtime2012.co.uk/
If you think Reyna's funny, get a load of 'Lionfire' aka David R. Leonard (http://people.tribe.net/lionfireshaman), one of the other 'wisdomkeepers' at this strange event.
With makeup:
(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/70d/abb/70dabbba-9488-4e43-994f-05831496443d)
Look, he's got his own t-shirts. Cute.
Without makeup:
(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/597/591/597591a2-ea52-4719-9db1-97648a44d458)
That haircut's known in the UK as a skullet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullet_(haircut)#Skullet). Here's David with his mentor Hunbatz Men (http://faculty.smu.edu/dfreidel/ANTH3334_Fall/PDFs/Part%202/Nov26RelDissctn.pdf):
(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/23e/080/23e080d6-a061-45bd-9180-475854c6c0a5)
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Geeze, That Lionfire looks like one of those science fiction aliens you see on television shows.
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Though claiming to be an artist, he's pretty much an exploiter in his own right.
http://www.thelighthows.com/lionfire/bio_david.htm
"...recently been appointed to teach art at the Pueblo Community College extensions in Cortez and Durango. Currently completing his doctorate in Native Cosmologies..."
Come on, he expects people to buy that there is such a degree program?
"Two-Spirit" White Shaman of Norse and Celtic heritage"
So he's claiming being gay means he's a shaman? Or is that a recent trend among pagans?
"In recognition of his supportive participation in the First International Gathering of Indigenous Cultures (September 2000), in Merida, Yucatan, Mexico, David was made an honorary member of the World Natural Health Organization."
In spite of the pretentious title, that gathering doesn't show up anywhere online except his website.
And only the worst kinds of quacks would be proud to be part of that "WNHO".
Lots of crackpot theories about:
"The Global Warming Hoax
Aspartame
Fluoride
Vaccinations"
Plus the WNHO is part of many deeply conservative Christian groups. Why does Leonard think it has anything to do with NDNs?
http://www.wnho.net/christian_reading.htm
"In 2003, David was honored to facilitate the Standing Elk/Golden Eagle Star Knowledge Solstice Prayer Circle, held at LionFire in June 2003. In August 2002, he assisted Drunvalo Melchizedek and the members of the Four Corners Southwest Pilgrimage, helping them to build a Taos medicine wheel at Hovenweep, and later provided his Mayan knowledge and shamanic support to members of Drunvalo's Mayan Chakra Temple tour and his own tours to the Mayan coasts and jungles in April 2002 and 2003."
A Taos med wheel? Mayan knowledge from a Norse/Celtic two spirit? And a chakra temple? The guy's very confused.
"LionFire offers spiritual programs including Mayan studies and tours, drumming, dance, shamanic shieldmaking, and trance workshops. Prints of David's paintings, Reiki training, and private Reiki treatments may be arranged by contacting him at 1423 E. Main Street, #134, Cortez, Co 81321, or by email to lionfire@charter.net."
Doing exploiter workshops out of his apartment, looks like.
And also claiming to be a lightworker working with a mix of exploiters, eccentric artist types, and a few claiming to be curanderas.
http://www.ixcanaan.org/ActivationMaya/lightworkers.html
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Sorry,missed that,help who do what?,you don't need my help to catch this guy you've already done that.You do need some legal direction as to how you stop him now you caught him though.Catching and stopping are two different things.
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More Reynas appearing!
http://www.mayadreamtime2012.co.uk./Sonny.htm
Thanks Barnaby for moving my post.
Zoi..will talk later to you on this one for the way forward, seems spring is in the air and the Reyna's are multiplying.
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the link didnt work out as I expected to..just type in the /sonny.htm bit at the end
Linda Lou
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Okey dokey here we go then,first while I respect one of you has gone to the trouble of phoning Arvol and other speaking to folks in Aims Texas chapter,did any of you ask if those people would be willing to commit that to statement?Legally speaking phone chats are hearsay.All the Nations and persons he claims to have studied under(the sundance has no place in europe full stop,our peoples return to their home territiories for these things) we need the written comments from those peoples.
Rayna has been a silly boy,in that he's playing with Indian identities,yet mixing it and hanging out with nuage mediums at a time when the law is changing and the patience of the ex pat community is wearing thin.What do you want to do guys,do you want to continue freaking out and talking up a storm every time he pops(or poops,your choice)in Europe or do you want to explore ways to get this sorry excuse for humanity into a court and shut his activities down permanent?.
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Sonne Reyna apparently is also active in more European countries. I found entries on sites from Germany, Switzerland, and Denmark.
http://www.l-total.com/?sEndungen:Message_Embassy:Yaqui_%2F_Yahemme
"Yaqui / Yahemme
Chief Sonne Reyna, Peace- & Sundance Chief of the Yaqui Indians (Yahemme) is the first official member of the 'Message Embassy' and has taken on the task of helping to bring the ancient cultures together and to carry their hearts' messages into the world in a multi-medial way.
Since the Chief has already participated in such gatherings of Indian tribes, he will of course especially gather these.[translator's note: the German original choses a wording which must be seen as racist in this context. When persons are called for a gatherings, the phrase of 'drumming them together' can be used in colloquial language.]
Here [link to the film at the site] is a short film done during a visit in Berlin (90 MB). After his last Vision Quest in Denmark, we were allowed to interview him and will soon present a thrilling film at our station.
In this interview, not only surprising information about Carlos Castaneda did come up, but also an ancient prophecy of the Indians [sic]: 'Spider Woman'. I would like to say something about her in advance of our film...
During a time in which the world completely comes apart and the people in a way have completely lost their heart, the Indians [sic] expect help from the spirit of the spider who will weave a large net of mass communication around the world in order to support it in unity and communication of what is really important. The Indians see the internet as 'Spider Women's' net!!
But it isn't simply this. In Northern Texas (where the Chief comes from), millions of small spiders have woven an enormous net which has the size of several football fields. The Indians see this as a sign from Spider Woman announcing she is here! When I returned, I started to research and I'm really shocked:
http://www.nbc5i.com/slideshow/news/14014777/detail.html (Slideshow)
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/30/spider.web.ap/#cnnSTCVideo (film)
In accordance with the Chief, we will develop the website www.spiderwomen.in and the project "spiderwomen productions" [sic]) and assist in realizing his (website) products. From the beginning of October, Chief Sonne Reyna will be touring Germany and with some help offer concerts/jams as well as healing circles in Frankfort, Munich, and Berlin. We are looking for places, musicians, and organizers for this (please mail!)
The seers of the Yaquis assume that in 2008 changes for the transition to a New Age (which the Yaquis call the 6th world) will begin. The Chief shall concentrate on 2008 in everything he does, as no real influence on the events is possible and what is going to be realized in 2008 will happen anyway.
In 2008, he wants to do music, films, concerts, and events which will teach the spirit of the Heart People (a translation of the own name of his tribe "Yaheme", the name "Yaqui" was given to them). We are looking for more professional studios, but also persons who are simply enthusiastc and concerned.
From 2011 at the latest, the 5th world will die through nature's violence, which does not mean the end of the world, but an end to wars, to hunger, fear, and greed. All who haven't become "Heart People" (Yaheme) will be practically 'blown away'.
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This is a Swiss site:
http://www.gantu.ch/regenbogenschule.html
The Rainbow School - A Project
In short they say their project still in its initial stages is meant for children, adolescents, and grown-ups, a non-profit allowing persons from all age groups, nationalities, and religious denominations to learn and live together.
"The natural order of society
The Rainbow School will orientate towards a natural order of society like with the Indian native population of North America. The natural order of society was described by Yaqui Chief Sonne Reyna in his Talking Circles in the Studio for Dance and Transformation at the island of Ibiza in Winter 2001/2002 as follows:
- first are the women who can give life
- second are the children, because future belongs to them
- third is the community, because we cannot survive without it
- fourth are the men, because they are meant to protect and keep everything."
And a site from Denmark:
http://www.atlc.org/members/summit1/biosandpix.html
"Chief Sonne Reyna is a descendant of the Yaqui-Coahuilteka Nations, Sun Dance Society Peace Chief, an Ambassador for the Natural World who shares ceremonies that re-bond global humanity with Nature, advisor to the San Juan Indian Council, Vietnam War veteran, artist-writer, owner: American Indian Gallery, cofounder: World Cultures Market and California Indian Market (San Juan Bautista, CA), and cofounder: Healing Our World Conference.
He is a graduate in Theology and Communication Arts, University of Texas, Arlington, Texas, and co-founder of Earth's Children Cultural Organization (ECCO), a global association that unifies cultural wisdom to facilitate human consciousness and personal growth. We are the generation of hope that heals our presence in this world for all the children! If not now, when? If not us, who?
He is working on a book: The Global Revolution--Women and Men in Balance with Nature."
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Yeah, well...old Sonny is getting mighty confused. No such thing as a "Yaqui Coahuilteka nation." The Yaqui live in Sonora and Arizona, the Coahuilteca (with the right spelling) are here in south Texas. I doubt there was much in the way of ties between the two peoples pre conquest. Coahuilteca is a very broad term for a language group with dozens of small tribes in the area. San Antonio was founded as a group of missions out to convert them.
There used to be a group calling itself the Coahuilteca Nation here in San Antonio, since calling themselves Tap Bilam, with many in the American Indians of Texas-Spanish Colonial Missions.
http://www.texasmissionindians.com/
The fifth world is from Aztec belief.
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Hey Zoi...close him down for good, what's the process in doing this..he is appearing today not 10 mins drive away from me..I am taking my camera.
I have as you know already sent a formal letter to the organisers of Glastonbury where he has appeared over the weekend. No reply back of course.
Linda Lou
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Cameras and footage of this guy in action including the man himself making his claims,all
of you where this guy is at contact your local authorities not the private venue holders,if they are unresponsive then they are treating YOU like you are a joke not this fake.Make them aware this individual is prevoking and inciting racial tension between the ex pat community and gullible British citizens.Start with the authority that has a race relations policy in place.Always finish with a question they have to respond
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sakes guys! I was stood up and by a fake chief! HUH! Does my rep no good at all! Had my camera at the ready and my shades on,ready to do the biz at Avebury where his followers were standing at the ready with their gaily colored hand drums,wierd horns,bare feet and strong smelling incense(choked on it!) and he didnt have the courtesy to show up! Well, I suppose there is a first time for anything but that is the first time in nearly 50 years I have ever been stood up! hehehehehehehe
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(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/597/591/597591a2-ea52-4719-9db1-97648a44d458)
Maybe he should consider selling himself as a Klingon Shaman.
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I had to take a double take on this guy ,Thought it was a Baboon hahahaha in sheeps clothing
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The grand prize goes to - "klingon Shaman" LOL
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Sonny and his wife, Elaine, used to run the American Indian Spring Market at Mission San Juan Bautista back in the 1990's. Then he was just a slick salesman and certainly no "Chief"!
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I'm writting in response to the Texas AIM chapter. There is no more Texas AIM only South Texas Chapter that is nationally santioned and has nothing to do with them. When it was texas AIM the director was Juan Mancias who basically on a mission to "find" as many Carrizo/ Come Crudos as he Could to get the Carrizos federally or at least state recognized. As far as sonne being a sundancer. the carrizo have a sundance but its not called that its called a harvest dance and they don't pierce so he's fulla it.
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http://www.sonnereyna.com/sonne.htm
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"07.01: Graduate, Astropsychology & divine astrology, Dr. Louis Turi, AZ, USA "
Turi is himself quite a character.
http://www.drturi.com/
"In 1993 he received a metaphysical Doctorate from the Progressive Universal Life Church based in Sacramento, California. His notoriety skyrocketed after rekindling, practicing and teaching Nostradamus’ rare Divine Astrology method, which he calls Astropsychology....He writes a yearly periodical with all these predictions, called "Moon Power Starguide." The printing process makes the proof of his predictions totally unarguable."
LOL! Does it really?
http://www.rfma.net/archives/000097.html
"self-described "prophet" Dr. Louis Turi, a failed scam artist who bought his PhD at a diploma mill for $350, and whose predictions never seem to come true."
http://www.rense.com/general10/latenight.htm
"I find the "Dr. Louis Turi: Astropsychology Readings" portion of your schedule to be ridiculous and almost funny if wasn't so pathetic. I believe "Dr." Turi to be a fraud who isn't even very imaginative in his repetitive horoscopes.
http://www.sonnereyna.com/ — This site has disappeared from the Internet.
I found this on "Dr." Louis Turi's site:
Chief Sonne Reyna is part of this group need someone else in this group category…
Native American Wisdom
94 members
This group is public with *Chief Sonne Reyna participation, for those interested in Native American Wisdom and their connection to Mother Earth…If you have experienced or know anything related to the Mayans, Sumerians, Atlantis or any of the disappeared civilizations share it with other Cosmic Coders. I wrote “Explanation of the Mayan Calendar” as an example for you. Enjoy!
The bolded part beginning with an asterisk is a link to this Facebook profile, active up to this day:
Intro
Chief Sonne Reyna, Lipan Apache-Yaqui
Self-employed
Studied favorite writer - Juan Rulfo at University of Texas at Arlington
Studied at University of Texas at Arlington
Went to La Joya Senior High School
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He lists his parents as JJ Reyna and Beatriz Alaniz Reyna here https://www.stevenhalpern.com/cms/products/8005_healing_songs_web_7f9f14.pdf (archived https://web.archive.org/web/20181023231316/https://www.stevenhalpern.com/cms/products/8005_healing_songs_web_7f9f14.pdf )
Here is his father's obit:
Juan Jose Reyna, a member of the Elders Circle of the San Juan American Indian Council, passed on to the Spirit world with his family around him on July 7, 2002. He was 77.Mr. Reyna, a descendant of Yaqui-Coqhuilteka Indians, was born in Havana, Tex., and served in the U.S. Navy during WWII. He lived and worked in San Benito County for the past 30 years and was once honored by the county Board of Supervisors. He was a custodian for the county who maintained Veterans Memorial Building. Mr. Reyna is survived by his wife of 55 years Beatriz A. Reyna, his children Juan Jose Reyna Jr. of San Juan Bautista, Ramon Homero Reyna and Minni Zavala of Texas, Jesse A. Reyna of Hollister, Emily Hollowell of Woodland, Juanita Ponce of Hollister, Lucille Moore of Los Banos, Wakin (J.W.) Reyna of Modesto, sisters Sara Salinas, Irma Garza and Amelia Gonzales of Texas, 11 grandchildren, five great-grandchildren, and numerous nieces, nephews and cousins. At his request, arrangements for cremation have been made through Grunnagle Ament Nelson Funeral Home. Friends are invited to attend a memorial July 12 at 3 p.m. at the mortuary. Donations are preferred to Hospice of the Central Coast in care of the mortuary chapel.
Pinnacle 7/11/02.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35118985/juan-jose-reyna
Sonne Reyna = Juan Jose Reyna Jr.
His former wife is Elaine Anne Reyna. In a past newspaper article she was known as Laynee Reyna, former wife of Sonne Reyna "who also goes by the name Chief Sonne". ("Native American traditions employed to plead for rain:, Diana Marcum, Monday March 10 2014, Daily Press, Victorville CA)
From the book "Real Moments: Discover the Secret for True Happiness" by new age author Barbara De Angelis: "Their names are Juan Jose Reyna, Jr., who everyone calls Sonny, and Elaine Reyna, who is known as Bluebird."
Elaine Anne Reyna is the CEO of One People One Earth Peace Vision Inc. in California. Current site: http://www.peacevision.net/index.php . I don't know if Juan Jose Reyna Jr /Sonne Reyna is active is this endeavor now, but he was in the past.
Elaine and Jose ran Reyna's American Indian Gallery/Museum in San Juan Bautista CA http://web.archive.org/web/20020402153603/http://www.oneearthonepeople.org:80/retreat.html They held various events such as "American Indian Prophecy Seminar" including "13 Moons Retreats".
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/chief.reyna
Self-Employed
ceremonial chief and shaman
empower women and men globally to reclaim their magic to make peace with nature, and inspire the alpha women and men healers to lead us to salvation by feeding all hungry children and parents.
About Sonne
Chief Sonne Reyna, Lipan Apache-Yaqui
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Message from San Juan American Indian Council and One Earth*One People
3/20/93
Sonny Reyna requested that I post the following message. Anybody wishing
to respond may do so best by calling Sonny at (408) 623-2379 or by writing
to the San Juan American Indian Council, PO Box 1022, San Juan Bautista, CA
95045, or by visiting Reyna's Gallerias at 106 Third St.
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Sonny Reyna (Coahuilteka Comanche) and Elaine Reyna (Algonquin) are
ancestral traditional Native Americans, co-founders of San Juan American
Indian Council, One Earth*One People*Peace Vision, Inc., Reyna's Gallerias &
American Indian Museum, and the California Indian Market. The Reyna family
is dedicated to the preservation and protection of the surviving native cul-
tures in the Americas and other regions of Mother Earth.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.native/n_lV-cnR5dU
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Another former wife is Claudine Bourgeois-Reyna. Together they had "Earth’s Children Cultural Organisation" in USA and France.
A comment left on a Youtube video about him:
MusicPeaceLove
5 years ago
I hate to burst any bubbles however I know Sonne very well, being an old girlfriend. He has much charisma and is talented orator like his father, but he does not walk his talk. He is mostly Mexican blood with 1/4 N. Am. He does not honor his wives which he has many, chasing many other women while in marriage, abandoning his little boy and wife in France, pretending to know native tongue when he does not, etc. He is one of those who saw an opportunity and grabbed it, desiring fame. I'm sorry 2say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmwkl1zAeCs
Reyna says both of his parents come from shamanic lineages. He says as a preteen he learned from "tornado shamans" how to turn tornadoes aside. He also says that we've all reincarnated and "I believe that we are all natives.".
A Traditional Sun Dancer, Sun Dance Society, Peace Chief
The Delight Makers took their name from the inspirational teachings shared by Sonne after a ceremony in April 2005.
Sonne’s teachings are introduced through the film Metaphysia 2012, by Sean Fisher. The film shares the journey of open innocence through the minefield of new age information and ideas around humanity’s developing consciousness.
In all his work, Chief Reyna’s major inspiration and passion is his vision to revive the most important of Indigenous Sacred Wisdom: “That the Children Belong to All of Us – They are born and are enchanted until disenchanted adults change them.
That Family includes all enchanted creatures of Earth Sky – We are all related.
That Enchanted Men are the Guardians of Life – forming a Protective Circle around the Family. That Enchanted Men are Compassionate and Responsible Fathers.
That Enchanted Men Honour the Ability of Enchanted Women to Lead and Guide Humankind to Salvation.”
Chief Reyna conducts Ceremonial Rites of Passage and Traditional Vision Quests that help us to become Enchanted Women and Enchanted Men Again.
http://delightmakers.com/our-part/ambassadors/chief-sonne-reyna/
About Metaphysia 2012:
In search of deeper meaning and a greater understanding of our New Century predicament, Fisher travels coast to coast across the United States, meeting some of the most influential thinkers in the alternative and metaphysical movement. But it is a mysterious phone call from a Native American Peace Chief that changes his path and destiny forever.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1339558/
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Media clips accessed through Proquest:
It comes as no surprise to learn that Chief Sonne Reyna was raised by 'tornado shamans' able to control the weather. He's a force of nature, with a face as fissured and craggy as an Arizona rock-face and a laugh so loud and broad you can see his tonsils dancing in the back of this throat.
With coal-black hair snaking down his back, Chief Reyna, 58, looks like an Indian but talks like a preacher, in long, graceful passages with repeated phrases and musical cadences. He's mesmeric to listen to and regularly drifts into a passionate paean to the earth.
According to him, we are all descendants of 'tribes of magic' - indigenous peoples who understood the natural and supernatural worlds - and we have the potential to rediscover that heritage now.
Listening to the Earth
Graydon, Nicola. The Ecologist; Bideford Vol. 38, Iss. 2, (Mar 2008): 20-21.
She talked to Sonne Reyna, her ex-husband, who goes by the name Chief Sonne and owns a coffee shop in town.
The two were once hippies and both are still in the habit of flashing peace signs. Later, they were involved in the American Indian Movement, the group that led an armed standoff with federal agents at Wounded Knee, S.D., in 1973. Then they became interfaith ministers and held conferences in the giant tepee in their backyard.
They were married for 20 years. They marked their divorce on a hilltop, invited all their friends and considered it a sacred sign of approval when an eagle flew overhead. Now Chief Sonne lives in a trailer out by the tepee.
Dancing to pierce skies; Native Americans encourage everyone to join a weekly ceremony to bring forth water.
Marcum, Diana. Los Angeles Times; Los Angeles, Calif. [Los Angeles, Calif]06 Mar 2014: A.1.
[Just changed title-Al]
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More about Reyna from another topic (NAFPS Reviews of Nuage Related Films):
Two more posted, we'll see if they allow them.
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1339558/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_1
A New Age Hoax Posing as Native
Calling this a documentary is a stretch. It's about as accurate as those awful Ancient Alien shows on History Channel. New Age nonsense throughout, POSING as American Indian:
The 2012 pseudo prophecy came from New Age imposters, not Mayas or other Natives. Actual Mayas were appalled and frustrated because they have no prophecies about 2012. Far from any end of the world, their ancient calendars go to the year 4377! And even then they don't show any apocalypse. All those claims came from white New Agers posing as experts in order to fleece the fearful and gullible.
"Chief Sonne Reyna" is not a chief, and his claims of ancestry change constantly, from Yaqui to Apache to Comanche to Coahuilteca to Carrizo. None of these tribes are related to each other. The last, Carrizo, were made extinct over 200 years ago! His real name is Juan Jose Reyna Jr. He's Mexican with possibly distant ancestry, and makes his living peddling New Age nonsense to European whites.
Save your time and avoid seeing this hoax from imposters and exploiters.
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And a bio of Reyna:
Born Juan Jose Reyna Jr. according to his father's obituary at https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35118985/juan-jose-reyna. Reyna is a Mexican American calling himself "Chief Sonne Reyna." He is not a chief, and his claims of ancestry change constantly, from Yaqui to Apache to Comanche to Coahuilteca to Carrizo. None of these tribes are related to each other. The last, Carrizo, were made extinct over 200 years ago.
He possibly has distant ancestry, and makes his living peddling New Age ideas to European whites, passing them off as Native American. Also calls himself "Whirlwind Eagle Wolf." On some sites he uses the British spelling, "wolfe." He claims to be a "Nawal Eagle Clan Chief, Sun Dance Society Peace Chief, and Global Ambassador for the Supernatural worlds." Neither naguals nor the Sun Dance have anything to do with any of the tribes he falsely claims. He also sells just about everything, weddings and namings, and is based in Germany.
He claims training from "Dr." Louis Turi, a French astrologer whose degree came from a degree mill. Reyna also claims to be a member of the American Indian Movement (AIM). AIM denies this. Lakota tribes deny he is a Sundance chief as he claims. Reyna also once falsely claimed to be Geronimo's great-grandson. Reyna has been married and divorced twice, the second time to a French woman, abandoning both the wife and child.
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Excerpts from an article about a past Reyna event, notable especially because of description of "blood sacrifice":
A Most Powerful Ceremony
On Sunday, Jan 11th I participated in a Coahuilteka (healing and empowerment) ceremony with Chief Sonne Reyna and his brother, Jesse Reyna of the Yaqui Indian Nation. It was a powerful experience that I want to share with others.
About 20 people gathered at a house in San Francisco. We began with a sharing of food and a getting to know who was there with us. Before the actual ceremony, we all watched "Mending the Sacred Hoop". This film is about a Lakota Indian Chief leading rides (on horseback) to places like Wounded Knee where congregations of indigenous peoples perform sacred ceremony together for the sake of the world, and to heal the land where terrible things have happened. (Wounded Knee is an infamous place where large numbers of defenseless American Indians were massacred by the US Cavalry in the mid 19th century)
A recent congregation took place in Costa Rica where indigenous peoples gathered from all over Central, North, and South America. Another such gathering in June, 2004 took place in Hiroshima, Japan (As the Lakota Chief says "There are places like Wounded Knee all over our world").
After the film, the Chief began the actual ceremony by telling us a little history of how the Yaqui nation was governed in traditional times. There were two governing houses (much like the Senate and the House of Representatives) but one house was composed of all men, and the other, all women. Each had equal power in decision making for the tribe, including warfare. And the men would not go to war unless the women agreed. Sometimes in dire situations, the mothers of the tribe would place themselves between the warriors of conflicting tribes and bring the fighting to a halt.
Chief Reyna said that modern society has is backwards today in our "artificial world". The real power of the women has been taken away. He believes that the only hope for America to become truly great is to take responsibility, and to heal from the genocide and other atrocities that were committed upon the native American peoples by the European invaders. The Chief says that this healing must come about by the restoration of the true power of women.
Then the Chief spoke about ancient ceremonies in which the sacrifice of blood was the medium of powerful prayer. For women, in their monthly menstrual cycles, they would for a time, bleed consciously on the earth as a prayer. And for the men, this bleeding took a different form where they willingly allowed their bodies to be cut and bled as a way to strengthen their prayers. (Sometimes women, not in their menstrual cycles, would choose this way also)
The Chief said that this most potent and powerful practice has been completely misunderstood and is all lost in modern times.
The Chief offered us the opportunity to participate in such a blood sacrifice. Eight of the twenty (5 men and 3 women) chose to do so. We went outside, It was cold and foggy. The Chief told the men to remove their shirts and "make friends with the cold". I resisted at first, but did as he asked, and surrendered to the experience. Soon, I did not feel cold at all.
As we waited in line for the bleeding, he asked each of us to formulate a powerful prayer and keep our intentions focused on this throughout, The other participants (who chose not to bleed) held places in a surrounding circle, and all focused their intentions together. Even before the bleeding, I could feel the magnifying power of what was happening. When it was my turn, I held a sacred peace pipe to my heart and prayed to "End the destruction of the rainforests in the Lands of the Condor, and to stop the killing in Colombia".
The shape of a lightning bolt was cut into both of my shoulders. Each man received the same. Circles (of life and healing) were cut into the arms of each woman. The conscious wounds hurt and bled, but I felt the pain as a sacrifice to empower our prayers to end the suffering of others, and I willingly endured it. The intensity of the ceremony magnified even more. Some of our blood and flesh was given back to each of us in small blood red prayer packets.
Bob Bishop (Jan, 04)
http://www.allawaken.net/html/powerful_ceremony.html
archived https://web.archive.org/web/20100304000010/http://www.allawaken.net/html/powerful_ceremony.html
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(Wounded Knee is an infamous place where large numbers of defenseless American Indians were massacred by the US Cavalry in the mid 19th century)
Wrong. Took place December 29, 1890: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre
When it was my turn, I held a sacred peace pipe to my heart and prayed to "End the destruction of the rainforests in the Lands of the Condor, …".
The Stupid! It Burns! No rainforests in the "Lands of the Condor":
Condor is the common name for two species of New World vultures, each in a monotypic genus. The name derives from the Quechua kuntur. They are the largest flying land birds in the Western Hemisphere.
They are:
The Andean condor (Vultur gryphus) which inhabits the Andean mountains.
The California condor (Gymnogyps californianus) currently restricted to the western coastal mountains of the United States and Mexico and the northern desert mountains of Arizona in the United States.
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With so much support how can Dr. Turi be a fraud?
Mike: There are a lot of ways you could've defended Turi's business, which to most people looks like outright looniness and fraud. But spamming us with half a dozen posts with maybe twenty testimonials wasn't the right way to do it.
There is a separate thread about "Dr." Turi (moved to 'Frauds' in 2018):
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3137.0 [Louis Turi]