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Title: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on January 02, 2010, 10:12:58 am
Anyone know anything about him?

http://www.myspace.com/dancingredhawk7

http://theucn.com/wisconsin.html
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: BlackWolf on January 02, 2010, 09:36:10 pm
Tim Dancing Red Hawk said
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I am an Ordained Pastor and a nationally recognized Spiritual Leader and Teacher of Cherokee Medicine. My grandfather was raised as part of the Bird Clan on the Eastern Cherokee reservation and was taken from his mother at a young age and given to an adoptive white family.


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As a Pastoral Care Specialist, Hospice Caregiver, Cherokee Spiritual Leader, Story-teller, Healer and Consultant, I combine my Cherokee heritage, years of ongoing study with Native American Medicine Elders, my experience as a parish pastor and as a hospice chaplain to offer a unique perspective on living, dying, and existing in this, our Circle of Life.

The story he gives about his grandfather being taken from a Cherokee reservation and being adopted by whites is fairly common amongst many people in the South East.  Most of these claims are bogus.  And even if this was the case, his family most likely because of being adopted,  intermarriage with the dominant society and moving away from his community, would have lost most of their Cherokee beleifs and traditinons.  Cherokee medicine people can be found ONLY in Traditional Cherokee communities in North East Oklahoma, and in Eastern band Cherokee communities in North Carolina.  Also, that United Cherokee Nation IS NOT A Cherokee Tribe. They're a bunch of fakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7Z4eiEuaw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7Z4eiEuaw)
 
I can say without doubt that this man IS NOT A CHEROKEE SPIRITUAL LEADER



This was taken from the CHerokee Nation Cultural Resource Center.

Medicine People are taught by other medicine people, who hand down their 'medicine' to the chosen ones. Medicine formulas, songs and other rites are hand written in ledgers which have been handed down throughout many years. It is dangerous to try to interpret the Cherokee writing in these books and use them without the proper training, as most are written in cryptic fashion; leaving out major portions that the practitioner has learned verbally, written in code, or even written backwards.


Traditional Cherokees consult with medicine people for help with medical problems, dilemmas in their lives, or other problems. There are fewer of them alive and practicing today, but are still well known by traditionals and in the Cherokee communities. It is not accepted for these medicine people to advertise or make their services known in other ways. The proper way to find a medicine person is to be part of a Cherokee community, ceremonial ground, or family, and come to know this person through those connections. (As a tribal government, we are not at liberty to disclose the names of these persons.)
Info provided by the Cherokee Nation Cultural Resource Center. For information regarding culture and language, please contact:
cultural@cherokee.org

http://www.cherokee.org/Culture/13/Page/default.aspx (http://www.cherokee.org/Culture/13/Page/default.aspx)

Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on January 02, 2010, 09:50:19 pm
Here's his Myspace page:

I am Eastern Band of Tsalagi(Cherokee), Ani Tsisqua (Bird Clan), and this is the greatest gift my heart has ever known from the Creator. I am proud to be a practitioner of Cherokee medicine, a State Clan Chief and Tribal Council Member for the United Cherokee Nation, and an ordained pastor serving a Native American congregation in Milwaukee, WI. I am the Director of Elawei Ama Spiritual Resources working as a ceremonial leader and consultant to those who are interested in traditional ways and teachings. Coming from the traditions of the Eastern Band of the Tsalagi (Cherokee) tribe in the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina, I facilitate ongoing Pipe Circle ceremonies and Sweat Lodge ceremonies to create balance and harmony in the community and empower the healing of others in the spirit of indigenous peoples. I have dedicated my life to being of service for healing, teaching, and spiritual connection. As a practitioner of “Cherokee Medicine”, I have led ceremonies for the healing and health of mind, body, and spirit for individuals and groups. I have taught native traditions and conducted numerous workshops and presentations for churches, schools and groups throughout the Greater Milwaukee and Chicago areas. As a Hospice Chaplain and Spiritual Care Giver, I have walked with over 5,000 men, women, and children on the journey through their last days of life and provided spiritual care to thousands of family members. I've led and designed my own unique support groups for the bereaved and designed a specialized support group for Victims of Violent Crime used by the city of Chicago. My years of experience as a Pastor, End of Life Spiritual Care Giver, Educator, Counselor, Cherokee Ceremonial Leader, Spiritual Consultant, and Native American Storyteller are brought together as I share with others my unique approach to living, loving, and letting go in the Circle of Life. Walk in Beauty and embrace the peace of Mother Earth and all our relations! Aho
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: NDN_Outlaw on January 02, 2010, 10:00:30 pm
Interesting website. It gets complicated. Spiritual gifts move through generations and can reappear after skipping generations. I have often wondered how it confusing even frightening it must be for people who inheirit a spiritual gift (responsibilty). Perhaps this man has inheirited something he is trying to work with or maybe he has simply fooled himself or had someone who doesn't know tell him he's gifted.I would need to know if he fits a cult leader profile. Does he control people. Does he make money off his work/ racket and most important does he indeed help people. Perhaps this is best answered by the NDN community in his region. It's always weird to see those bearded old hippies dressed up like Willy Nelson calling themselves by hokey NDN names.  ???
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: NDN_Outlaw on January 02, 2010, 10:13:29 pm
These are some of his "heros". Some familiar and notorius names are posted. Especially Ed McGaa, Dhyani Wahoo, and worst of all Brooke Medicine Eagle. This does not impress.
 
Grandfather Rolling Thunder, Ed McGaa, Dhyani Ywahoo, J.T. Garrett, Michael Tlanuwa Garrett, Tsali, Yonaguska, Junaluska, Chief Tuffy, Walt~ my helper for life, Chief Stone Bear, Chief Katey Lee Ross, Rose Little Deer, Terri Buffalo Star, Darryl Young Elk, Joanne Shenandoah, Mary Youngblood, George Daniels, Tommy Lee, Jack Russell, Lawrence Jacobs, Grandmother Roberta, Grandmother Wilma, Grandmother Beverly, Jan Seiden, Rod Jackson, Sonny Ledford - Ani Kituwah, Brooke Medicine Eagle
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Diana on January 02, 2010, 10:18:04 pm
If you look on his my space page under who his hero's are, it's a smorgsboard of frauds and wannabes. That right there is a big warning sign and of course, the old adoption story.


Lim lemtsh,


Diana 
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on January 03, 2010, 12:54:45 am
One look at his picture and I can tell you this..

He is not knowledgeable.. as he thinks he is.   I don't see that he is purposely trying to hurt people, but he isn't a person I would recommend or go to for spiritual insight or advice.  I don't see him 'knowing'...  as much as I see him 'thinking' he knows.. he doesn't.  



Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on January 03, 2010, 05:36:11 am
Thanks for the feedback and I know he is a Pastor at the Lutheran Church of the Great Spirit, and he has the correct schooling for that position, and they were in need of one. I think the problem is that he also thinks he's an authority on Native spirituality. I don't think that's a good mix in a person to be that ambitious.
As far as I know none of the Natives in Milwaukee go to him for anything related to Native spirituality. But I think he works with non-Indians outside of Milwaukee. He is also a close friend and associate of David Granados of Racine, who I saw a post of on here.

I found this posting online:

Grace Dance Lodge - Menomonee Falls, WI
*In order to participate in a Sweat Lodge ceremony, you must pre-register by contacting the ceremony leader, Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk at:
dancingredhawk7@yahoo.com

Friday, December 16th, 2009
(Cherokee Healing Lodge)
Arrival Time - 6:00pm
Ceremony begins - 6:45pm
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on January 03, 2010, 06:54:00 am
Didn't someone on here say Cherokee don't have sweat lodges? 

Racine WI?  My home town.  :D
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on January 03, 2010, 08:00:43 am
Yes Racine, Wisconsin.

He's discussed in this posting:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2316.0
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on January 03, 2010, 04:39:33 pm
Yes  saw that.  Hopefully he's put away for a long time.  :)
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Diana on January 03, 2010, 06:13:01 pm
Yes  saw that.  Hopefully he's put away for a long time.  :)


I think he may have been convicted. I looked at his my space page and the last time he was logged in was back in september. Also there hasn't been any activety since August, such as personel messages or comments.

I tried to do a little research on google for convictions+ David Granados and couldn't find anything. >:(


Lim lemtsh,


Diana
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: NDN_Outlaw on January 03, 2010, 06:28:01 pm
Church attendance is falling everywhere except in the evangelical/ fundamentalist churches. I notice some RC churches are now burning sweet grass and turning to the four directions as part of their service. Priests and nuns are going on vision quests and some ministers like Rev Dancing Hawk are no doubt using their new found knowledge to booster attendance. I realize this line of discussion is like kicking over a bees nest but I really wander how sincere Dancing Hawk is. Is his ministry really a disingenuous attempt to latch onto the NDN cultural revival ?
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on January 03, 2010, 07:36:39 pm
Here's his Myspace page:

I am Eastern Band of Tsalagi(Cherokee), Ani Tsisqua (Bird Clan), and this is the greatest gift my heart has ever known from the Creator. I am proud to be a practitioner of Cherokee medicine, a State Clan Chief and Tribal Council Member for the United Cherokee Nation, and an ordained pastor serving a Native American congregation in Milwaukee, WI. I am the Director of Elawei Ama Spiritual Resources working as a ceremonial leader and consultant to those who are interested in traditional ways and teachings. Coming from the traditions of the Eastern Band of the Tsalagi (Cherokee) tribe in the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina, I facilitate ongoing Pipe Circleceremonies and Sweat Lodge ceremonies  to create balance and harmony in the community and empower the healing of others in the spirit of indigenous peoples. I have dedicated my life to being of service for healing, teaching, and spiritual connection. As a practitioner of “Cherokee Medicine”, I have led ceremonies for the healing and health of mind, body, and spirit for individuals and groups. I have taught native traditions and conducted numerous workshops and presentations for churches, schools and groups throughout the Greater Milwaukee and Chicago areas. As a Hospice Chaplain and Spiritual Care Giver, I have walked with over 5,000 men, women, and children on the journey through their last days of life and provided spiritual care to thousands of family members. I've led and designed my own unique support groups for the bereaved and designed a specialized support group for Victims of Violent Crime used by the city of Chicago. My years of experience as a Pastor, End of Life Spiritual Care Giver, Educator, Counselor, Cherokee Ceremonial Leader, Spiritual Consultant, and Native American Storyteller are brought together as I share with others my unique approach to living, loving, and letting go in the Circle of Life. Walk in Beauty and embrace the peace of Mother Earth and all our relations! Aho
[emphasis added]

An excerpt from a letter from Richard L. Allen. EdD,  Research & Policy Analyst, Cherokee Nation, Tahlequah, Oklahoma. Reprinted with permission:


Cherokee medicine people and spiritual leaders are known to the Cherokee people and do not practice medicine for a fee nor sell "shamanic" lessons to anyone. They do not advertise their services through any form of media and certainly not over the internet.
.........

Traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders provide their services to the Cherokee people. A Cherokee medicine person or spiritual leader is fluent in the Cherokee language and would conduct any medical or spiritual practices by using the Cherokee language. Therefore, our medicine people are those who were born of a Cherokee mother and a Cherokee father and would have been reared within a Cherokee community speaking the Cherokee language. Our traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders are humble people and would not present themselves as such nor "hang out a shingle" so to speak.

Cherokee medicine people are acknowledged and recognized by members of the Cherokee community as effective healers and leaders. It is the recognition of the Cherokee people that validates these persons as medicine people and healers not self-proclaimation. We may provide them small gifts, a token amount of money or foodstuffs in payment for their services. They do not charge for their services nor would they withhold their services when asked and they certainly would not prescibe payment by credit card.

Cherokee medicine people may provide services to recognized members of other tribes or may provide services to non-Indians who would seek them out for treatment, but certainly would not mix their spirituality or medicine with that of other nations.

Cherokee medicine and spiritual practices do not include tarot cards, palmistry, psychic readings or sweatlodge ceremonies.

One may assume that anyone claiming to be a Cherokee "shaman, spiritual healer, or pipe-carrier," is equivalent to a modern day medicine show and snake-oil vendor.

end quote
[emphasis added]
Full letter posted in this thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1640.msg10899#msg10899
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on January 03, 2010, 07:46:23 pm
It seems that he falls under all the categories of the what-not to-do to be legitimate.  I don't think any Native poeple I have met here believe he's anything but a pastor of that church, but I'm sure he's selling the Chief and Medicine Man title to the non-Indians. 
So it's established he's not a enrolled Indian, and has no authority from his adopted nation or any recognized elders or groups in Milwaukee or Wisconsin to do these things. he seems to be doing it on his own or with other frauds. So seems like he falls under all the categories of a fraud.


I saw this advertisement online in a local magazine:

Monthly/Weekly Events
First Tuesdays - Traditional Native American Pipe Circle Prayer Ceremony held the 1st
Tuesday of each month at 6:00 p .m . Join us for traditional drumming, songs, teachings,
and prayer ceremony . For more information and location, contact Rev. Tim (Dancing Red Hawk), Elawei Ama (Quiet Waters) Spiritual Resources (414) 791-6924 .
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on January 03, 2010, 10:31:39 pm
Yeah, I looked at those MySpace pictures. Quite the display.

ETA: Next time he's doing one of his performances or photo sessions, someone might want to call fish and wildlife about some of those feathers. 
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on January 04, 2010, 03:10:51 am
FYI This is what's on his United Cherokee Nation page:

Wisconsin Clan
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Rev. Tim “Dancing Red Hawk” McIntosh - Gigage Tawodi Galisgidahu
State Clan Chief of Wisconsin and acting State Clan Chief of Illinois and Minnesota


I am an Ordained Pastor and a nationally recognized Spiritual Leader and Teacher of Cherokee Medicine. My grandfather was raised as part of the Bird Clan on the Eastern Cherokee reservation and was taken from his mother at a young age and given to an adoptive white family.
I am also Director of Elawei Ama Spiritual Resources and a Spiritual Leader of the Earth Lodge Foundation in Wisconsin. As a Chaplain and spiritual caregiver to those who are dying for over 12 years in Hospice ministry, I have walked with over 5,000 men, women and children as they have journeyed through their last days on Mother Earth, and worked with thousands of family members through the grief process. With Clinical Specialties in working with Alzheimer’s, Dementia, and Geriatric patients, I am a nationally Certified Dementia Educator and Caregiver. I have designed and led my own unique grief support groups and have developed a special program utilized by the city of Chicago to assist the families of Victims of Violent Crime. I currently serve as the Director of Resident Services at a senior housing campus in Pewaukee , Wisconsin and as pastor of the Lutheran Church of the Great Spirit, an urban Native American congregation in Milwaukee , Wisconsin
As a Pastoral Care Specialist, Hospice Caregiver, Cherokee Spiritual Leader, Story-teller, Healer and Consultant, I combine my Cherokee heritage, years of ongoing study with Native American Medicine Elders, my experience as a parish pastor and as a hospice chaplain to offer a unique perspective on living, dying, and existing in this, our Circle of Life.
Chief Gigage Tawodi Galisgidahu

Wisconsin Clan
Chief Tim "Dancing Red Hawk" McIntosh - Gigage Tawodi Galisgidahu
8182 N. Seneca Road
Fox Point, Wisconsin 53217
414-791-6924
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: bls926 on January 04, 2010, 04:36:32 am
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I am an Ordained Pastor and a nationally recognized Spiritual Leader and Teacher of Cherokee Medicine. My grandfather was raised as part of the Bird Clan on the Eastern Cherokee reservation and was taken from his mother at a young age and given to an adoptive white family.

If Rev Tim's grandfather was taken from his mother at a young age and given to a white family, how was he raised as part of the Bird Clan? Plus, no one calls it the Eastern Cherokee reservation. It's Qualla or the Boundary.

Burning sweet grass, sweat lodges, pipe carriers. This dude hasn't even done his research. Reminds me of those European Cherokee who try to say powwows are sacred. This stuff screams fraud. If you're going to try and impersonate someone, you really should read up on your subject.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on January 04, 2010, 10:22:07 pm
FYI This is what's on his United Cherokee Nation page:

Wisconsin Clan
.
Rev. Tim “Dancing Red Hawk” McIntosh - Gigage Tawodi Galisgidahu
State Clan Chief of Wisconsin and acting State Clan Chief of Illinois and Minnesota

Like with so many other fraudulent groups and individuals, the misrepresentation of what clans are: setting up new "clans" based on geographic region, rather than traditional lineage.

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I combine my Cherokee heritage, years of ongoing study with Native American Medicine Elders, my experience as a parish pastor and as a hospice chaplain to offer a unique perspective on living, dying, and existing in this, our Circle of Life.

Whenever someone claims their alleged NDN background makes them "unique", that means they see their target audience as non-NDN. People only talk like that when they assume they'll be the only (alleged) NDN in attendance. That's what they need to continue the ruse: to be surrounded by people who don't know enough to call the poseur on their crap. Dances with white people.

This guy looks to me like your standard white wanabi dude, trying to use some alleged Cherokee ancestry as a marketing ploy. He's not even skilled at it.

Follows frauds, dresses up like someone with no clue about the ways he claims to teach, misrepresents tradition, probably knows no legitimate traditions. Yeah, I'd say this one is pretty clear.

While it's always possible that he does some good in the Christian pastoral tradition, or the secular counseling he does, the fact that he appears by all accounts to be lying - or, at the least, seriously confused - about Cherokee culture and his relationship to it, for me brings all other claims by this man into serious question. Maybe Christians who know him will have something else to say, but it seems abundantly clear that this man is clueless when it comes to the Cherokee traditions he claims to teach.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: luv2sweat on February 01, 2010, 06:00:19 am
So who died and made him Chief? If he was adopted to a white family, did he go back and find his biological family? As for working with hospice, that's nice. However, to use NA spirituality with no true background or knowledge in this area is disgusting.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 01, 2010, 03:51:01 pm
I don't get it.  I mean, I know people who work hospice, who work with grief and families.  It is good work, but they don't have any urge to be dressing up as an ndn and making all these claims.  The work they do they do it because they feel it. They don't put up myspace pages and advertise that they're doing it either.  Their work is private and personal, confidential with the people they assist. They have no need to put up banners about what they are doing.  They don't 'use' the dead and dying and grieving as a jumping off point for their ego, to tell others so to boost their 'image'. 

Why is this guy trying so hard to be more than just a man who works with the dying and grieving?  The only answer I can think of is that he has a personal agenda, and a ego problem.

Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 01, 2010, 08:53:32 pm
I don't get it.  I mean, I know people who work hospice, who work with grief and families.  It is good work, but they don't have any urge to be dressing up as an ndn and making all these claims.

Nor do they dress up like an Archbishop because they heard a rumour that their great-grandparents might have been Catholic.

Though if this guy went that route, I'm sure he'd be singing Protestant hymns while feeding them Matza balls for communion.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 01, 2010, 11:09:52 pm
LOL yeah, but if he went that route, the church would have some way of stopping him.  I think?  I'm fairly certain if he wore hats and said he was an archbishop someone in the Catholic church would have some way to put an end to that 'impersonation'. 

Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: NDN_Outlaw on February 02, 2010, 01:34:55 am
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Nor do they dress up like an Archbishop because they heard a rumour that their great-grandparents might have been Catholic.
Most excellent comment. Dancing Hawk like Small Legs hasn't responded. If he put away the titles and the Tonto suit good for him but if he keeps going like I think he will, there will be much more to post about in the future. He has done a lot of good for a lot of people but he needs to know and understand how offensive his bogus NDN credentials really are.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: flyingdust on February 02, 2010, 02:17:07 am
Yep, agree.  Tim Dancing Red Hawk is clealry a 100% Caucasian strictly indigenous to Europe.  I can see that, too, just looking at his Myspace profile pic.  Interesting to see all the other non-NDN wannabees on his site, too.

Kathryn said it all in her post.  All Indigenous American traditions observe these same premises about being humble and not advertiseing or grandstanding their ways.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: OdawaNDN on March 23, 2010, 08:17:35 am
These are some of his "heros". Some familiar and notorius names are posted. Especially Ed McGaa, Dhyani Wahoo, and worst of all Brooke Medicine Eagle. This does not impress.
 
Grandfather Rolling Thunder, Ed McGaa, Dhyani Ywahoo, J.T. Garrett, Michael Tlanuwa Garrett, Tsali, Yonaguska, Junaluska, Chief Tuffy, Walt~ my helper for life, Chief Stone Bear, Chief Katey Lee Ross, Rose Little Deer, Terri Buffalo Star, Darryl Young Elk, Joanne Shenandoah, Mary Youngblood, George Daniels, Tommy Lee, Jack Russell, Lawrence Jacobs, Grandmother Roberta, Grandmother Wilma, Grandmother Beverly, Jan Seiden, Rod Jackson, Sonny Ledford - Ani Kituwah, Brooke Medicine Eagle

Just wonderin what you got against Rolling Thunder, Ed McGaa, J.T. and Michael Garrett, Joanne Shenandoah, Junaluska and Mary Youngblood.  Or did I misread your post?  Just tryin to understand.  Appreciate it!  Just wanna say that if this guy is writing this stuff about himself about being a medicine man or ceremonial leader, callin himself a "chief" and all, then its pretty obvious he doesn't know NDN ways.  Man, there's just wayyyyyyyy too many Cherokees!  They're gonna take over the world!  LOL
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: TimberlineWarrior on March 23, 2010, 10:29:05 am
By quoting Mary Youngblood and Joanne Shenandoah as heroes I presume he really means he appreciates and likes their music!

^. .^
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: flyingdust on April 05, 2010, 08:49:45 am
I would place this person as having a messiah complex (the Easter Holiday made me think of that) or some kind of delusions of grandeur.  It seems to me most if not all of the newagers reported in this forum have this disorder or maybe spiritual narcissism.  But when they are allowed to freely run amok with NDN spiritual tradition and use it for selfish gain and to prey on thousands of sick and grieving people, I think they have to be stopped. 

Is there any federal legislation that prohihits cultural impersonators of Native American spiritual traditions and knowledge?  Are there any Native American or First Nation institutions that are set up to protect NDN intellectual property and will go after these newage frauds?
Title: timdancingredhawk
Post by: rainmaker on October 15, 2010, 08:25:25 pm
i am writing to let people know i was at racine correctional institution where this person is considered a native spiritual leader and also a pastor of his own native church. please bear with me as i am very new to a computer as i've been incarcerated the last 15 years. it tokk me hours to get to this point where i am able to post(?) this. i have seen this man with eagle feathers, sacred medicines, and other items. he has everyone fooled there and he is playing with the very lives of many native inmates. i became very cautious of him by just listening to him, his comments and his actions. he avoided really talking to me as i've been around the block a few times in my 55 years and those type of people become scared that you will uncover who they really are and get others to questioning there actions. unfortunately i had only a short time there or i would have esxposed him for the fake he really is. you almost had to be there to understand the manipulation he is pulling off! he even has the institution chaplins fooled as he uses his being the pastor of his church. if any would like to know more i will sure share what i know and have seen with my own eyes! he runs a sweatlodge in menomonee falls and the last one he talked about was a mixed sweat. i was taught that women and men are not supposed to sweat together. perhaps that is wrong to some but i was taught by elmer running many years ago. so contact me and i'll tryto get back to where i can answer.(i'm really bad at this hopefully it will get better,thanks for being patient. 
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: lyn on January 21, 2011, 02:25:16 pm
Thank you all for posting your concerns regarding this guy. I knew nothing about this guy and didn't know he claimed to be Cherokee.  One of my friends invited me to attend a lodge held on his property, so I decided to look him up. That's when I found and all this! Needless to say, I won't be going.

For those who expressed concern about exactly what he was doing, I have posted below some of the information he sends out.

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Guidelines for Lodge Ceremony:

1. Respect others—These are community events meant to bring people
together in a positive environment. Showing up on time, reading and
signing the paperwork, and putting the needs of others before us will help
enhance the experience for all.

2. I request that all participants arrive a little early for the sweat lodge--
early enough to register, to change clothes if needed, to store belongings,
speak personally to the lodge leader, and to take care of any other
personal needs before the sweat begins. Arriving at least 30 minutes
before the lodge is scheduled is best. All invited lodge participants will
receive an arrival time and a lodge start time.

3. I ask you to recognize the right of each participant to fulfill his or her
own needs without disturbing other persons.

4. Participants have the right to create their own experiences without
unsolicited advice. Do not try to instruct others on how to sweat or what
to say or do.

5. All Sweats require the wearing of clothing within the sweat lodge. Wear
comfortable, loose fitting clothing for the sweat. (Men traditionally wear
only a pair of shorts or swim trunks, Women may want to wear shorts
and a t-shirt, a loose-fitting light skirt of knee length or longer and a
shirt, or a light dress.)

6. All information shared within the sweat lodge is held in sacred trust. It is
not to be shared by anyone outside of lodge.

7. Sweat lodge participants are requested to bring a blanket to sit on in the
lodge, a reusable water bottle and a towel or two to dry off with.

8. There is no need to suffer within the lodge or force yourself to endure
something that your body is unable to withstand. In my tradition it is not
disrespectful for a person to leave the lodge if they need to. It is okay to
leave the lodge when the sweat has begun, and to re-enter later if that is
how Spirit guides you.

9. I encourage a potluck or social time following the lodge for the healing of
companionship, friendship and good humor. If you have special dietary
needs, you will need to provide for them.

10. Please know that the lodge leader is praying for you and is there
to protect you, guide you and assist in your healing. Traditionally,
participants in a lodge offer thanks to the Ceremony Leader with a gift
of tobacco and/or something from the heart or hand. No money will ever
be accepted by the Ceremony Leader from lodge participants, however, if
you wish to contribute to the ongoing work of Grace Dance Lodge, please
give donations to Ken or Danine Casper, the land owners at Grace Dance.

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Understanding the Sweat Lodge Ceremony

  These sacred ceremonies are regularly held outdoors year round. This intensive prayer ceremony is done to ask our Creator to intercede in our lives and help with the needs of others and ourselves. This is a guided ceremony done in the traditional ways by trained and approved Spiritual Leaders. It is a physically demanding ceremony that is open to all who come in a good and respectful way with an open heart and an open mind. Young people may come as well, with their parent’s permission.
   The lodge area is located on a rustic ceremonial grounds in Menomonee Falls, WI. This ceremony lasts for approximately 2-4 hours, at the discretion of the leader. The lodge ceremony is co-ed, so wear clothing that is comfortable and in accord with the weather.  Cotton dresses or shorts and t-shirts are acceptable for inside the lodge. You may change clothes in a private room in the house on the grounds both before and after lodge if you wish.
   The ceremony is a community effort which allows everyone’s life force and energy to contribute to the ceremony’s healing affect. Attending sweat lodge on a regular basis is a great compliment to inner work and self analysis, a chance to build community relationships, as well as an opportunity to rid the physical body of built up toxins and release emotional suffering. 
   In this ceremony, there are 4 rounds of prayer and each participant will be given opportunity in these rounds to share prayers or whatever is on their heart.  Silent prayer is acceptable for those who do not wish to speak aloud.  The sacred pipe will be smoked following the third round of prayers and participants may either smoke the tobacco or pray silently and pass the pipe on.  With each round heated stones are brought into the lodge and water is poured over them and medicines (herbs) are shared with them to release steam and facilitate healing and cleansing. As more stones are brought in, heat often intensifies.  In the Cherokee tradition, participants will be given a longer break between rounds 3 and 4 to prepare for the final round as the pipe is smoked. It is never to be seen as a test of endurance, but rather a time of intense prayer and release.
   It is traditional to bring a package of tobacco for the ceremony leader (organic tobacco preferably) and one for the Fire-keeper for use in ongoing ceremonies, and also offer a gift of some sort to the ceremony leader in whatever way that your heart speaks to you.  In addition, bring a small amount of your own tobacco to add to the collective bowl that will be used in the ceremony you are attending.  Finally, following the ceremony, a feast is held and all participants are encouraged to bring something nutritious, some sort of food or drink to share with the group.
    People who are not sure if this ceremony is right for them, or those who are first time attenders  who wish only to observe are welcome to come and sit outside of the lodge and participate in that way.  Either way, all participants must email or call the lodge leader and receive approval to attend and participate in any scheduled lodge. Directions will be given to you at the time you are approved to attend.

Grace Dance Lodge
Here at Grace Dance Lodge the Sweat Lodge is provided for those who have done deep work on themselves already, for those who have “sweated” before, and for those who don't know why but have been touched or pulled by a sense of its potential. In other words, for everyone who is ready. What does that mean? What is the Sweat Lodge? What can one get from it, learn from it…? 
The Sweat Lodge is an ancient purification ceremony used by most Aboriginal tribes of Turtle Island (North America). There are as many reasons for participating as there are people who walk the earth. Elders and Medicine people who conduct these ceremonies each have their own unique approach, teachings and style.  In the years I have been operating as a Sweat Lodge Leader, many teachings have come to me. Those who participate have learned so much about ourselves and our relationship to the land, our Creator, our guests, and the community in general.
One of the things we all have learned is that this ceremony cannot be taken lightly or casually. This is a tremendously powerful and profound process. It needs to be approached with respect, not just for the form, but also for the power and energy that is summoned by the intention alone. In another time, these ceremonies were likely only undertaken in communities, or with people who were in kinship spiritually or actually. As with many of the old teachings this one had to be adapted to modern times. 
Taking strangers into the lodge without knowing what they are bringing inside of them the conductor and all those who share the “womb of Mother Earth” may put themselves at risk. The Conductor of the Sweat Lodge is required to “hold space” for the rest of the participants, to be strong and open and ready to deal with whatever arises. Inside the lodge, everything is intensified; every emotion, feeling and thought, which is why we try to clarify and clear as much as possible prior to entering. This invites a more rewarding, gratifying, and meaningful experience.
The Sweat Lodge Ceremony can be transformational. At Grace Dance Lodge you have the opportunity to express gratitude for all you have been given, to offer up whatever you don't need, whatever stands in the way of experiencing your life directly, fully and joyously, and to ask for what you truly need. Many of us in our very busy lives think we understand all of this, but rarely have or take the time and space to drop out of our heads into a direct experience of ourselves, and into our heart. This is what happens in lodge to clear the way to approach your Creator cleanly, openly. We have seen what could be considered miracles take place so many times the possibility of considering them coincidences has evaporated. But there is no quick fix. It takes willingness. It takes courage. It takes an open mind, and a little humility mixed in.
We also have fun! There is much laughter and lightness in our ceremonies and yet we are always respectful. The intention is clear. The facilitators and helpers are constantly working on themselves, clearing, going deeper, and making space in themselves which clears the path for our guests to walk. The facilitators and helpers are there for you and for your protection. Their prayers are for your support and protection in whatever process you are undertaking. It is a truly awesome experience.
Why sweat?
There are many different types of sweat lodges and many different reasons to sweat.  Cleansing the body is the primary reason for a sweat lodge.  Then there are the spiritual and mental aspects.  The combination of these elements that occurs in a sweat lodge is random and depends upon the events of the day and each individual and how open they are to healing or receiving. 

I am often asked what is the difference between a sweat lodge and a sauna.  While both saunas and sweat lodges contain the elements of fire and water, a sweat lodge also requires endurance.  In general, this endurance symbolizes the sweat participant’s willingness and ability to remain steadfast in prayer despite some discomfort. The sweat lodge is a sacred space in which the sweat participant gives a gift to Spirit that shows the depth of desire in their prayers. The sweat participant establishes intentions regarding the important, personal reasons why the sweat participant is willing to pray in this way. Ultimately, each participant brings their own meaning to the sweat.
 
The oldest known medical document, the Ayurveda, appeared in Sanskrit in 568 BC. It’s authors considered sweating extremely important for good health. The Ayurveda prescribed the sweat bath and thirteen other methods of inducing sweat. Throughout history, physicians have extolled the medicinal value of the sweat bath in its various forms such as the Finnish sauna, Russian banai, Islamic hammam, or the American Indian sweat lodge. Today, enthusiasts claim that beyond being relaxing the sauna gives relief from the common cold, arthritis, headaches, depression, fatigue and "just about anything that ails you." Even if these claims are somewhat exaggerated, medical evidence shows that bathing in steam has a profoundly beneficial effect on a healthy body. Sweating is as essential to our health as eating and breathing. It accomplishes three important things:
 
1.   Rids the body of wastes and toxins, thus purifying it,
2.   Stabilizes the body’s critical temperature at 37 degrees Celsius (98.6 degrees Fahrenheit)
3.   Helps keep the skin clean and pliant, and
4.   Shows us that our body’s giving up can “free us” on many levels.
5.   American Indian lodges in particular are focused on spiritual healing and prayer, drawing the participants ever closer to Source of Life.

For public groups I offer an introductory Cherokee cleansing sweat lodge.  It’s a time to cleanse the body and spirit in a safe environment with like-minded people.  Every sweat lodge ceremony involves prayer and the invocation of the Great Spirit and our helpers.
 
I work with private groups to custom tailor the sweat lodge to meet their needs.  Each sweat lodge is unique and a ritual in itself.  The rituals can reflect and bring healing to any challenges or issues that the group is working with.  We honor all traditions and paths to Great Spirit.
 
Cleansing, Healing from Illness, Wedding preparations, Anniversaries, Team Building, Family Unification, Rites of Passage, Initiation Rites, Celebrations, and Adult Group Activities are all opportunities for incorporating a sweat. If a group has something else in mind, it can contact me.  I will work with clients to create a singular, unique and memorable sweat lodge experience. 
 
I encourage groups to bring something nutritional to share, as it is important and appropriate to celebrate this time of cleansing by providing a social time and nourishment for all who are involved.   It is a good time, a time to get acquainted, and a time to relax with people who have shared the day’s activities, and possibly extraordinary experiences.  The combination of the sweat lodge and the social time can become a gift. The participants may perceive the essence of another person, bringing home the appreciative memory of, or compassionate bonding to, that energy which was shared. It can result in greater understanding, increased cooperation, and a host of other possible positive outcomes.
 
How to prepare for the sweat:
 In ancient times fasting was part of preparing for the sweat lodge.  However in our modern times we are not used to fasting and therefore we recommend that you eat a light meal that morning especially if this is your first lodge.  If you are fasting for 24-48 hours prior to a sweat, please be sure to drink water to hydrate yourself.
Preparing yourself spiritually will also help.  The lodge cleanses the body and it will also cleanse the spirit.  Use the method that works best for you, meditation, journeying, etc, to prepare yourself spiritually for anything that you might want to let go of during the lodge.  All lodges are confidential, what is shared within lodge, stays with Creator.

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Grace Dance Sweat Lodge Waiver

*Please bring this with you to your first Sweat Lodge Ceremony

Circle any of these if you have experienced or are currently experiencing any of the following:
~ Asthma
~ Kidney problems
~ Heart conditions
~ Respiratory difficulties
~ Fear of darkness
~ Mental illness
~ Fear of enclosed spaces
~ Emotional difficulties
~ Blood pressure difficulties
~ Are you under the influence of alcohol
~ Could you be pregnant?
or other recreational drugs?

Do you have any other pre-existing medical conditions? YES / NO
Are you on any medications? YES / NO (List by name & purpose)______________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES:
If you do intend to participate in the Sweat Lodge:
1. Do not take recreational drugs or stimulants, including tea and coffee one day before or after the
ceremony. It is best to taper off of caffeine in the days preceding the sweat lodge ceremony to
assist your central nervous system in adapting to the demands of the lodge.
2. Do not have a heavy meal beforehand, and fast or have a light meal 6 hours before (salad, soup,
or a sandwich). Do not each 6 hours preceding ceremony.
3. Drink 2-3 litres of water over the 6 hours preceding the ceremony, but stop drinking an hour
before the ceremony.
4. Do not wear contact lenses in the lodge.
5. Do not wear any metal jewelry (such as rings, earrings, bracelets, hair clips, etc.)
6. After the sweat you should rest for a few hours and replenish your fluids. We recommend you
bring drinks, fruit, or a light nutritious snack to share after the ceremony. Don’t organize or plan
any major activities for immediately after the ceremony.
7. Drinks lots of fluid the 6 hours after the ceremony, sometimes up to 2-3 litres is suggested.
(Isotonic drinks such as Gatorade, Powerade help to replenish electrolytes in the body).\
8. After the sweat you may not feel hungry, however you should have a nutritious meal to replenish
your body and nourish it after you sweat.
9. If there are any unusual symptoms, please contact the ceremony Leader or your family doctor.
10. BRING YOUR OWN BLANKET TO SIT ON IN LODGE.

I, (print name)___________________________________________________ confirm that:
~ I have read and understand the above information.
~ I have disclosed all material information, as asked, in this form to the Ceremony Leader.
~ All information I have provided is true and correct.
~ All reasonable methods have been used to inform me of the nature of all the procedures
and the personal risks involved in the Sweat Lodge ceremony, and …
~ Having understood and appreciated the personal risks involved and complied with the

physical preparations, I have decided to participate in the said ceremony accepting
full responsibility for the this decision and for the consequences arising from it.

Signed _________________________________________ Date__________________________
Address:________________________________________________________________________
Phone number ___________________________
Email (for mailings) ________________________________
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on March 31, 2012, 07:40:56 pm
I heard he is no longer Pastor at the Lutheran Church of the Great Spirit in Milwaukee, WI.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: educatedindian on April 01, 2012, 01:32:26 pm
This site says their pastor as of 2011 was Michael Steinke.
http://milwaukeesynod.org/resources/congregations-in-transition/

I also found an older site mentioning that TDRH was going to take part in that failed wannabe march on Washington. It's posted on the Chickamauga site. Older members will recall this group was Wm Anderson's bunch that also claimed to be Pocahontas descendants. Today they seem to claim to be just about every southeastern tribe.
And then there's that bizarre drawing on the right where they seem to buy into the Bering Strait Theory.
http://chickamaugacherokee.org/guests/
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on April 26, 2013, 07:17:55 pm
Tim Dancing Red Hawk is still operating around the suburbs of Milwaukee here's his latest email.


Osiyo Oginalii (Greetings Friends),
There are two great events happening this weekend, and I wish to invite you to both of them. They are listed below and both offer ceremonies for connection and support as we seek to ground our spirits with Mother Earth and all fo creation. Please remember to RSVP and let me know if you are able to or planning to come to either event (or both)! I hope to connect with you in some way this weekend! Please let me know if you need directions to either event!
Dancing Red Hawk
SATURDAY, APRIL 27th - 7:00pm (PIPE and DRUM)
Sacred Pipe and Drum Ceremony will be held at the Soul Source in West Bend on Saturday, April 27th at 7:00pm. Join this amazing growing community of support gratitude and peacefulness. There were nearly 40 people present last month! If weather permits, we will be outside for this circle to celebrate the Flowering Moon. As an offering, please consider bringing a pot of your favorite perennial flower that can be planted near the lodge site or on the property somewhere. The lodge at Soul Source will re-built in May and ready for ceremony next month! You are all welcome to come and help with the rebuilding! (Date to follow soon)!
SUNDAY, APRIL 28th - 1:00pm (SWEATLODGE)
April's Moon is known as the Flowering Moon! Join us as we celebrate this time with the Flowering Moon Lodge ceremony at Harmony Lodge in Oconomowoc. The ceremony will be held Sunday, April 28th at 1:00pm at our Waterville site. As an additional offering, please consider bringing a pot of your favorite perennial flowers that can be planted at or near the lodge site. I look forward to the Sweatlodge ceremony and sharing this time of prayer and peaceful presence with you all. Again, please RSVP to me, in order to assure that there will be space in the lodge for you. (dancingredhawk7@yahoo.com). Thanks!
Shine the Light!
Tim Dancing Red Hawk
I have loved the stars so deeply, I shall never be afraid of the darkness!
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on May 12, 2013, 03:33:39 am
The Soul Source
6988 Wildwood Road
West Bend, WI
53093
(262) 335-3302
thesoulsource@att.net
www.soulsource.com

 

Join Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk as he comes to the Soul Source to share in the re-building of Soul Sanctuary Lodge, where he will lead us in a regularly scheduled Native American Sweat Lodge ceremony again this year.
 
This ceremony is an intense prayer ceremony for communal harmony as we come together for the ritual cleansing of our mind, body, and spirit for healing and purification. We join with the powers of Mother Earth and those in the Universal Circle of life for giving thanks, and asking blessings upon ourselves and others. Through sweating, the body naturally cleanses itself of impurities and toxins in the blood, and also stabilizes or balances our body temperature in order to strengthen our health to survive the demanding conditions of our living.
 
Traditional Cherokee teachings, songs and stories will be shared and a potluck feast will follow each ceremony. The week before the full moon, we will gather to repair and rebuild this lodge at 3:00pm and then proceed with the first lodge ceremony of 2013 at 6:00pm. This is a 3 to 4 hour ceremony, so please plan accordingly. Tim Dancing Red Hawk offers this ceremony free of charge to all who come with a good heart and in any need, he does not accept anything for his time or leadership. Donations to help offset the costs of materials (tarps, wood, stones, medicines, etc) to continue providing these ceremonies are welcome – a suggested donation of $25 is recommended. No one will be turned away for lack of a donation. Please bring a small dish to pass for after the lodge ceremony.
 
If you have an interest in attending this ceremony (newcomers are welcome!), you must please email Tim Dancing Red Hawk to pre-register for the ceremony (he will provide you with a handout on what to bring and how to prepare). Space is limited in each lodge ceremony to approximately 20 people, and participation will be based on the order of registration. For more information, any questions about the ceremony, or to pre-register contact Tim at dancingredhawk7@yahoo.com .
 
About the Leader: Rev, Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk is of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee in North Carolina, Bird Clan. He is an ordained ELCA Lutheran pastor and has been a practitioner of Cherokee Medicine for many years. He serves as the Vice Principal Chief of the United Cherokee Nation the State Clan Chief of Wisconsin, and is a member of the UCN National Tribal Council. He is the Chaplain to the Native American inmates at Racine Correctional Institute in Sturtevant, WI. He has dedicated his life to being of service for healing, teaching, and spiritual connection and leads Native American ceremonies throughout the United States. He has walked with thousands of men, women, and children on the journey through their last days of life in working as a Hospice Chaplain and Spiritual Care Advisor. He is currently a Hospice Care Consultant with Seasons Hospice of Milwaukee, WI. He is a nationally certified Alzheimer’s Educator and Dementia specialist. His years of experience as a Spiritual Leader, Pastor, End of Life Care Specialist, Educator, Counselor, Healer, Cherokee Ceremonial Leader, Spiritual Consultant, and Native American Storyteller are brought together as he shares his unique approach to living, loving, and letting go in the Circle of Life.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on January 15, 2014, 12:55:36 am
He's still active around the suburbs of Milwaukee, I just googled him and this came up:


Calm Your Spirit with Native American Drumming presented by Tim “Dancing Red Hawk” McIntosh, descendant of the Eastern Cherokee, Thursday January 16 6:30-7:30-p.m.

Come learn about the history of the Eastern Cherokee people, the significance of the drum, and
listen and participate in a drum circle! Tim is an ordained minister and has dedicated himself to
being of service to healing, teaching and spiritual connection. He leads Native American ceremonies throughout the U.S. and has walked with thousands of men, women, and children on their journey through their last days of life. He serves as an Active Care Consultant for Seasons Hospice. Tim's years of experience as a Spiritual Leader, Pastor, End of Life Care Specialist, Healer, Cherokee Ceremonial Leader, Spiritual Drum Circle Leader and Storyteller are brought together as he shares his unique approach to living, loving and letting go in the circle of life.
Drumming has been shown to; reduce Blood Pressure, Stress and Anxiety, calm agitated people
suffering from dementia and/or Alzheimer’s and has been used during rehabilitation with stroke victims. Cost: $7.00

"Center for Life Enrichment-Oconomowoc, Wisconsin-December 2013 Newsletter"
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on March 01, 2014, 08:06:14 pm
Just sharing some info with everyone, it seems like Soul Source, a suburban nuage group, is now appropriating Ojibwe women's ceremonies, besides the fact they are still sponsoring Lakota sweat lodges, pipe ceremonies and drum circles by Pastor Tim McIntosh for a fee. They also had Rocky King, Oneida, there doing a Oneida Bear Medicine Healing Circle, in which they charge $35.
This seems like a group that needs to be stopped, or exposed in the least.
Below I included their posts. Let me know what you think?





https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Soul-Source/164622083553063

Tomorrow night, from 7-9PM, we will be holding a New Moon Circle at The Soul Source. We will be doing some drumming, sharing, connecting and crafting of Horse medicine bundles to help carry our wishes and intentions for the next month. We still have room, if you are interested in attending.
https://www.facebook.com/events/648650685195550/


Based upon feedback from Soul Source participants and my own need to incorporate sacred rituals into my life, I am calling into power this gathering of women during the time of the New Moon. I intend for this to be a night of Sharing, Connecting, and Honoring our power and purpose as mothers, daughters, lovers, sisters, friends and leaders in this community and world.

I have been dreaming, reading and talking about horses a lot lately, so I thought we could use Horse Medicine and Energy to kick off this gathering of Wild and Wonderful women. Bring a drum, rattle or any other type of music making instrument, your voice, a journal and pen and an open heart and mind. Also, bring the following materials to make a little medicine bundle to help you embody and use the medicine of the horse this month:

• A Red Jasper or Tiger's Eye Crystal for Power & Protection

• A Small Shell to hold your grief

• A Sturdy/Strong Piece of Cloth or Leather For Your Bundle
• A Long Piece of Tie/Rope/String To Tie Your Bundle

• A Sprig of Sage

We will be drumming and chanting, discussing, journaling, creating and sharing so we can release pain, claim our power and visualize ourselves being strong and free.

Cost to participate: Suggested minimum donation of $10-25.00 (based upon ability to pay).






https://www.facebook.com/events/1452087111676411/?source=

Dennis King, carrier of the Bear Medicine from the Bear Clan of the Oneida Nation of Wisconsin, is coming back to The Soul Source to lead another powerful Healing Ceremony.

The Creator sends out spirits to help Dennis help others. Dennis comes from a lineage of healers; his Great Grandfather and Great Uncle were healers. And now, he continues their legacy! Come, hear his story, partake in this group healing and learn more about Native American wisdom and the path of the Shaman.

You will have the opportunity to hear and feel the Bear breathing and growling, sense the strength of the Bear and the medicine that this totem animal has to share expanding as true healing power surrounds you in this amazing group experience.

Dennis will also be sharing his experience with and knowledge of the purpose of conducting Fire and Water Ceremonies and how they can help you move through challenges and obstacles in your life.

Monetary exchange for this powerful service is $35.00. If you bring a friend, save $5.00!






https://www.facebook.com/events/444696762297920/?source=1
Join Tim Dancing Red Hawk in this sacred circle of intention and support. Bring a drum, rattle, shaker or any other percussive instrument, if you have them. If you don't have anything, bring an open heart and willingness to share. Tim will bring the large Pow Wow drum and individuals will have an opportunity to play in the group as we sing songs and drum together. Part of the experience will also include offering prayers, listening to Cherokee Teachings and wisdom, and then Tim will provide healings/blessings to all who need it.

The pipe ceremony for Native American peoples is a sacred ritual for connecting the physical and spiritual worlds. Many believe that the ceremonial pipe is a link between the earth and the sky--the pipe embodies our prayers and intentions and the smoke, blown in each of the directions, becomes our spiritual connection to the creator and our spirit teachers/guides--a direct communication.

Tim is an Ordained Pastor and a nationally recognized Spiritual Leader and a teacher of Cherokee Medicine. To honor Tim and the teachings and healings he gives at these gatherings, bring a gift (tobacco, sage, a shaman stone, etc...) to offer. You are also encouraged to make a free will offering to The Soul Source so we may continue to host these important gatherings, but no one will be turned away for lack of funds.



Their Contact info:

Soul Source
6988 Wildwood Road
West Bend, WI
53090
(262) 335-3302
http://www.thesoulsource.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Soul-Source/164622083553063

Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on May 29, 2014, 03:45:40 pm
Tim Dancing Red Hawk
April 24 at 12:15am
Lodges coming up! Hello all, Tim Dancing Red Hawk here! I am hoping you can join us at the Soul Source in West Bend for one of these ceremony opportunities! I will be leading some sacred sweatlodge ceremonies in the next few weeks and want to open it up to all who are interested. I know it's a little last minute, but we have space this Saturday at 10am if you are feeling called to come and join us! Let me know by RSVP or respond here to this message if you would like to come! UPCOMING LODGE CEREMONIES: Sat, April 26th (this Sat) at 10am, and Sun, May 18th at 9am. ***Our Annual Vision Quest ceremony will be held May 28th through June 1st.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Soul-Source/164622083553063
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on March 18, 2015, 05:44:10 pm
Sunday, March 15at 6:00pm - 7:30pm

Join Tim Dancing Red Hawk in this sacred circle of intention and support for the coming Spring and Spring Equinox.

Bring a drum, rattle, shaker or any other percussive instrument, if you have them. If you don't have anything, bring an open heart and willingness to share. Tim will bring the large Pow Wow drum and individuals will have an opportunity to play in the group as we sing songs and drum together.

Part of the experience will also include offering prayers, listening to Cherokee Teachings and wisdom, and then Tim will provide blessings to all who need it. Tim is an Ordained Pastor and a nationally recognized Spiritual Leader and a teacher of Cherokee Medicine.

To honor Tim and the teachings and healings he gives at these gatherings, bring a gift (tobacco, sage, a shaman stone, etc...) to offer. You are also encouraged to make a free will community offering (what you can afford to and are willing to pay) to The Soul Source so we may continue to host these important gatherings, but no one will be turned away for lack of funds.

https://www.facebook.com/events/346797352182520/
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 20, 2015, 05:09:42 pm
... shaman stones?   :o
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: AClockworkWhite on March 24, 2015, 08:13:08 pm
His Facebook account is simultaneously hilarious and disgusting.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on June 16, 2017, 05:22:49 am
Just giving an update Pastor-Rev, Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk McIntosh is still operating in the suburbs of Milwaukee County and Southeastern Wisconsin.
Here's a couple links to his recent activities and website:

http://www.pathwayswellness.org/About-Us.html
http://www.dancingredhawk.com/
https://www.alansumwalt.com/support-groups
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Diana on June 21, 2017, 02:25:18 am
From Ancestry.com. This is Tim Mcintosh's father who is still living. As you can see the family is white. As is his grandparents Jesse Lee Mcintosh and Pathenia Calhoun Mcintosh. The birth record obviously is misspelled. Ancestry.com also has his great grand parents Jeff and Mary Jane Mcintosh as white, they were born in the 1850-60s. The family has a long history in Gastonia Gaston county North Carolina. Part of this county falls within the Eastern Cherokee reservation, I have also looked up all of their neighbors decade after decade on the original census records and they are all whte too. No Indians what so ever. Jesse Lee Mcintosh is the supposed Cherokee grandfather that again supposedly taught him everything he knows about being a medicine man. Wrong. Tim Mcintosh needs to stop disrespecting his families history. They have a very interesting and colorful history in North Carolina, and he should be proud.

Boyd Lyndon McIntosh
 in the North Carolina, Birth Indexes, 1800-2000
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Name:   Boyd Lyndon McIntosh
Gender:   Male
Race:   White
Event Type:   Birth
Birth Date:   11 Aug 1930
Birth County:   Gaston
Parent1 Name:   Jesse Lee McIntosh
Parent2 Name:   Parthunia Colborn
Roll number:   NCVR_B_C040_66002
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Jessie L Mcintosh

in the 1930 United States Federal Census

Name:   Jessie L Mcintosh
Birth Year:   abt 1889
Gender:   Male
Race:   White
Birthplace:   North Carolina
Marital Status:   Married
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Home in 1930:   Gastonia, Gaston, North Carolina
Map of Home:   View Map
Street address:   West Franklin Avenue
Ward of City:   4
House Number in Cities or Towns:   1016
Dwelling Number:   69
Family Number:   81
Home Owned or Rented:   Rented
Home Value:   8
Radio Set:   No
Lives on Farm:   No
Age at First Marriage:   21
Attended School:   No
Able to Read and Write:   Yes
Father's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Able to Speak English:   Yes
Occupation:   Picker
Industry:   Picker Room
Class of Worker:   Wage or salary worker
Employment:   Yes
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Jessie L Mcintosh   41
Parthenia Mcintosh   39
Frank I Mcintosh   19
Fannie Mcintosh   15
Marie V Mcintosh   10
Oliver Mcintosh   6
Neighbors:   View others on page


Parthenia Mcintosh
 in the 1930 United States Federal Census

Name:   Parthenia Mcintosh
Birth Year:   abt 1891
Gender:   Female
Race:   White
Birthplace:   North Carolina
Marital Status:   Married
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Homemaker?:   Yes
Home in 1930:   Gastonia, Gaston, North Carolina
Map of Home:   View Map
Street address:   West Franklin Avenue
Ward of City:   4
House Number in Cities or Towns:   1016
Dwelling Number:   69
Family Number:   81
Age at First Marriage:   18
Attended School:   No
Able to Read and Write:   Yes
Father's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Able to Speak English:   Yes
Occupation:   Splicer
Industry:   Cotton Mill
Class of Worker:   Wage or salary worker
Employment:   Yes
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Jessie L Mcintosh   41
Parthenia Mcintosh   39
Frank I Mcintosh   19
Fannie Mcintosh   15
Marie V Mcintosh   10
Oliver Mcintosh   6
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Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: Diana on June 21, 2017, 02:47:47 am
Forgot to add the 1940's censes Piff msg'd me. Lim lemtsh Piff. I also want to add that I can also post Jesse Lee Mcintosh's WWI draft registrtion which has a box to check Indian and he had checked the box marked white.


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KW3G-27Z


Name:   Boyd Mcintosh
Titles and Terms:   
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1940
Event Place:   Gastonia Township, Gaston, North Carolina, United States
Gender:   Male
Age:   9
Marital Status:   Single
Race (Original):   White
Race:   White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):   Son
Relationship to Head of Household:   Son
Birthplace:   North Carolina
Birth Year (Estimated):   1931
Last Place of Residence:   Same Place
District:   36-34
Family Number:   65
Sheet Number and Letter:   4B
Line Number:   48
Affiliate Publication Number:   T627
Affiliate Film Number:   2914
Digital Folder Number:   005460263
Image Number:   00708


Household   Role   Sex   Age   Birthplace
Jesse L Mcintosh   Head   M   54   North Carolina
Parthenia Mcintosh   Wife   F   49   North Carolina
Frank Mcintosh   Son   M   29   North Carolina
Oliver Mcintosh   Son   M   16   North Carolina
Boyd Mcintosh   Son   M   9   North Carolina



Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1940," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KW3G-27Z : accessed 21 June 2017), Boyd Mcintosh in household of Jesse L Mcintosh, Gastonia Township, Gaston, North Carolina, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 36-34, sheet 4B, line 48, family 65, Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940, NARA digital publication T627.  Records of the Bureau of the Census, 1790 - 2007, RG 29. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012, roll 2914.
Title: Re: Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
Post by: WINative on September 27, 2019, 11:40:59 pm
I see the that ex Reverend/Cherokee Chief Tim McIntosh has a web-site now and is performing ceremonies and offering them including a Vision Quest. I think it's just a matter of time before he hurts someone- if he has not already.


http://www.dancingredhawk.com