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General => Frauds => Topic started by: critter - a white non-ndn person on May 09, 2010, 04:25:46 pm
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Took this from the 2012 thread..
Some entertainment for the researcher can be found here
http://www(dot)willusurvive2012.com/indigenous-prophecies-2012.html
Link broken for obvious reasons
I would not advise anyone to approach this particular "shame on" in person as she is IMO a dangerous con woman.
I looked at the page above, and I looked at her page here:
http://www.raisingthedivinefeminine.com/way_of_a_dagabah_rain_queen_mother.html
Where it talks about her link through her g g g grandmother, and how she was guided by her
ancestors to this way.. and how she is like a chosen one, being recognized by elders and chiefs,
lama's and incan's..
And then her ancestors and the elders told her she needed to travel the world looking for ceremonies
cuz some of theirs is forgotten. and she is to find and help all the lost and hurt people from wars and
slavery.
Of course you have to pay her, and there is a lengthy thing goes into explaining how when doing this
work there is no pay cheques coming in, and of course to cover costs.
Just seems to me, if god or some deity of some sort or another was saying you travel the world and do
this, then wouldn't you like, maybe.. win the powerball first? ;)
[Removed inaccurate material. The Rain Queen Mother mentioned was of a different tribe entirely, in another part of Africa.]
If not, then I'd have to agree with nemesis, dangerous con woman.
Trying to find if it is, I found also this site.. kind of disturbing and seems to be made by same who makes rain queen's page.
http://www.hozhofoundation.com/
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Yes the link you provide does lead to some very disturbing material and yes it is the same person.
Please allow me to clarify my comment that this woman is dangerous.
I believe she is dangerous in that she uses entheogens and appropriated rituals in order to manipulate and control vulnerable people, to deplete their bank accounts and to secure their total loyalty and devotion.
She is capable of being extremely aggressive and is usually accompanied by her followers, some of whom are also very aggressive.
I would prefer that people here checked her websites and drew their own conclusions rather than hear more from me. There is sufficient material there for you all to understand exactly what is going on.
More links
This is the same person using her "Dagara Peace Commission" front
http://www.racematters.org/dagaraeldershealslavetrade.htm
http://www.blacknetworkinggroup.co.uk/local_black_history.htm
(scroll to approx 1/2 way down - to "How to remember slavery and the slave trade?". There is a small photo montage and the "rain queen" is the female top left)
Oh and you'll love this. *sarcasm*
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Racism_Against_Indigenous_Peoples/message/5710
and this too
http://worldpujas4peace.wordpress.com
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I will say a little more about this person.
Names and aliases
Kanysa Amoo
Khanyisa Amoo
Rain Queen
Queen Mother Poo Naa
Rain Queen Poo Naa
Rain Queen Mother Pema Lhamo
DOB [exact date removed] 1970
Basically she provides various rituals that she says aim to cleanse and cure people and property of all kinds of demons and bad spirits that she claims are the result of the multi-generational result of colonial oppression, slavery and genocide.
So if you are an African, an NDN, or a person with an ancestral history of oppression / genocide then you will be in one of her target groups for exploitation.
She gets together with various shame ons, nuage frauds and fake Tibetan monks and works together with them to intimidate and defraud people.
From anecdotal reports it seems that some rituals simply consist of an agent (usually female) visiting the person / home in need of cleansing and arranging for Amoo to visit. Amoo subsequently visits with one or more followers or with some other fraud and they start to perform a ceremony. Soon it becomes clear that there are more / worse demons than originally thought. Amoo "channels" these demons and the tormented spirits of the victim's ancestors. All very dramatic and scary for the victims. The fees demanded for these "services" are astronomical and increase as more / worse demons are channeled. Amoo and her associates demand money in an extremely aggressive way and refuse to leave until the victim has paid up.
Some victims attend rituals on site at RQM's Wellbeing Sanctuary in the UK.
Here they will be shown, via RQM channeling their ancestors, how their ancestors were raped, tortured and enslaved. It happens in real time so to speak, so imagine if you will, an angry young person who is suffering from the multi-generational effects of racism, trauma and genocide, only instead of accessing helpful therapy or getting involved in conventional political activism, such people are given ayahuasca (or some other entheogen) and treated to witnessing Amoo screaming and pleading as she channels the ancestor's torture / rape / abuse. Obviously this is a very traumatic experience for people. Victims are told that the souls of their ancestors are suffering torment and that this will bring bad health and luck to their progeny unless certain very expensive rituals are performed.
In addition to this some victims, those who may be useful in some way, are ensnared as "apprentices". They believe that Amoo is a living deity who must not be looked at directly in the eye and whose instructions must be followed without question. Some of these people were extremely militant activists prior to their indoctrination and they become helpful to Amoo as muscle with which to scare victims.
From Amoo's websites it is clear that she provides rituals involving ayahusaca and possibly other entheogens / hallucinogens. Sometimes these are administered openly in the form of ayahusaca tea, however, from victims reports it is also possible / likely that drugs are administered covertly via enemas and douches and also transdermally via massage.
The victims tend to be people from ancestral heritages that have suffered cultural and actual genocide. Some victims are young adults who are political activists and are angry and militant about the plight of their people. Some are elderly, vulnerable people, some may be residing illegally in their country of residence. Most victims feel unable to contact law enforcement agencies due to prior bad experiences of racism or because of their history of political activism or for other reasons, so Amoo can operate with impunity.
The thing I find most infuriating about this is that Amoo is cynically exploiting a very sensitive and vulnerable aspect of people's lives, that is to say their ancestral wounds in relation to slavery and genocide. I find this disgusting and extremely concerning. I also believe that her cynical and abusive use of entheogens for her own financial gain to be a form of spiritual rape. It is an evil strategy for getting right inside the most vulnerable parts of a person's psyche and abusing them.
I am very, very angry about this. As you can probably tell.
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That is really really wrong.
I think this should be moved to frauds.
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I am not sure how much mileage there is in trying to prove or disprove her "rain queen" claim as she can probably invent all kinds of Dagara protocols and mandates to "validate" her claims.
As far as I'm aware there is no African equivalent of NAFPS, which is a shame as one is sorely needed. It is the kind of thing I can imagine Amoo to try to create herself to dismiss her critics and slander her enemies.
I think that the people who run this site should be able to examine her websites and be able to draw their own conclusions, simply because there is so much offensive and dubious material there. In fact the relocation of the thread to Frauds is evidence of this.
Some more nonsense from one of her old postings (sorry can no longer find the link)........
[Inaccurate information deleted. This was a different person, though of the same tribe.]
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Some good news - the awful Pujas for Peace website, complete with fake Tibetan monks, is down at the moment, let's hope this is a permanent thing
On the down side, RQM has been busy producing all kinds of risible media products, however there is a hilarious introduction to this page that I simply have to share
Internationally renowned Deity Healer, Shamanic Teacher, Philosopher and State Diviner
"2012: The Movie Decoded" is written by Rain Queen Mother who comes from a long lineage of Rain Queen Mother’s that descend from the continent that gave birth to humanity. She was Initiated by Yoda like beings in an ancient mountain cave in the sacred homelands of the Dagabah people. Her lineage stretches upwards through the Dogon to the original peoples of Egypt and then Southwards through the Sacred Tribes of the Bushmen and into the Limpopo Valley where the Rain Queens of the Modjavi reigned.
Her Sacred Teachings in the ‘Movies Decoded Dharma Scrolls’ are based on the sacred knowledge that was learnt over many hundreds of years by her enlightened Ancestors and comes from deep within the Stahrs. She learnt this knowledge during a long and arduous 13 year initiation to become a Rain Queen Mother. She has been recognised by Holy Elders in Africa, Asia and South America as being one of the important healers in the world whose work, amongst other things will help many people prepare for 2012 and beyond.
"Initiated by Yoda like beings"
PMSL
At least she has removed text claiming that she has been recognised by North American Native people. All I have to do now is to find a way of getting elders in Africa, Asia and South America to expose her as a fraud and I will sleep better at night.
http://www.willusurvive2012.com/movies-decoded-2012.html
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I have written to Samten Ling Monastery to ask if they have any connection with the Tibetan monks mentioned. I did a quick search for them, but could find no references for them in connection with Samten Ling. There is a Sangbo Lama Dawa who is not connected to Samten Ling and there is a Tsering Phuntsok, but he's a minister in the Dalai Lama's government in exile. There may be others of course, since both names are not exactly uncommon.
Also I've written to the RQM site requesting a Chod puja be performed and asking them what the lineage is in which this will be performed. I'm a practitioner of Chod myself and know most notable Chod teachers and a number of their students personally. I wonder what the answer will be.
It may be that they request these pujas off Samten Ling and the monastery may not be aware who is requesting them. Usually practitioners give donations when they request pujas to be performed, and it may be that the RQM people give a donation but request more money to be donated to them for this. I'll keep you up to date as to what I discover.
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Thank you Lodro
Very much appreciated :)
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Did you ever hear back from her Lordo?
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n her latest website offering ayahuasca ceremonies, Rain Queen Mother has rebranded herself as Rain Queen Mama, presumably to avoid google turning up the NAFPS thread here.
details as follows
3 Day Specialist Ayahuasca Retreats
This Retreat includes one Grandmother Ayahuasca Healing Ceremony with ; Ayahuasca-Cosmology Counselling; Herbal-Bathing; Smoke-Purification; offerings to Pachamama and Post-Ceremony Divination.
3 Day Ayahuasca Retreat Costs
FOR ONE PERSON: £450 - £550/ €530 - €650
FOR 2 PEOPLE: £350 - £450/ €415 - €530 (pp)
FOR 3 OR MORE PEOPLE: £275 - £375/ €325 - €445 (pp)
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5 Day Specialist Ayahuasca Retreats
This Retreat includes two Grandmother Ayahuasca Healing Ceremonies; Tobacco Smoke-Purifications; Clay and Herbal Bathing; Stomach-Cleansing Vomitivo; Post Ceremony Divination, Counselling and offering a to Pachamama.5 Day Ayahuasca Retreat Costs
FOR ONE PERSON FOR 5 - 7 DAYS: £870 - £970/ €1,030- €1,145
FOR 2 PEOPLE: £700 - £800/ €830 - €945 (pp)
FOR 3 OR MORE PEOPLE: £630 - £730/ €745 - €865 (pp)
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7 Day Specialist Ayahuasca Retreats
This Retreat includes two Grandmother Ayahuasca Healing Ceremonies; Amazonian Herbal Teas; Tobacco Smoke-Purifications; Clay and Herbal Bathing; Stomach-Cleansing Vomitivo; Post Ceremony Divinations, Rituals, Counselling and offerings to Pachamama.
7 Day Ayahuasca Retreat Costs
FOR ONE PERSON FOR 8-10 DAYS: £1,350 - £1,550/ €1,595 - €1,830
FOR 2 PEOPLE: £1,150 - £1,250/ €1,360 - €1,475 (pp)
FOR 3 OR MORE PEOPLE: £950 - £1,050/ €1,120 - €1,240 (pp)
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7 Ceremony Specialist Ayahuasca Retreat
This Retreat includes seven Grandmother Ayahuasca Healing Ceremonies scheduled over a period of one year during two 5-day and one 7-day retreat.
7 Ceremony Ayahuasca Retreat Costs
FOR ONE PERSON: £3,090/ €3,650
click here to book now
http://www.ayahuascaceremony.com/individual_ayahuasca_retreat.html
on the following page she explains the very high costs of the ceremonies
Please note the rather menacing last sentence
How we Cost our Healing Retreats
charges for her work based on the following cost factors:
a cost towards the accommodation where the Ceremonies take place
a donation towards the cost of maintaining the Sanctuary and Shrines
a donation towards the cost of her initiation in Africa
a donation towards the cost of the Medicine
a donation towards the time and labour when performing the Ceremony
a donation towards the huge cost incurred whilst travelling to purchase the Medicine
a donation to enable the healer to maintain an assistant
a donation towards other Medicines used during your retreat
a donation towards her own healing, cleansing and recovery after taking off her clients negative Karma
Over the last 13 years has been travelling around the globe performing ‘Ley-Line’ Ceremonies to heal the Earth of the blocked traumas that she is still carrying from the 1st and 2nd world Wars, the Slave Trade Wars, Colonial Wars, Genocidal Wars and so on. This selfless merit-accumulating work, is what began her calling to healing on the international stage. As a result of years of costly, hard-selfless work has been instrumental in helping kick start some of the changes that we have been seeing in the world over the last 10 years.
According to the Tamang Jhankri (Shamans in Nepal), as a result of the work she has done travelling across the seven seas of the world, she has become a spiritual Mascot symbol for the world, and is able to bring rain and blessings to communities that respect her Deities, Nature and their Ancestors.
People should be prepared to make a fair exchange for the work that has been done to get this Sacred Medicine to them and to help them achieve their healing. If you do not pay a fair exchange for the work you have received it is not good for ones Karma.
source:
http://www.ayahuascaceremony.com/cost_of_healing_retreats.html
from the "about" page
About GrandMama Ayahuasca and
“to receive this healing, one must open their heart”
Rain queen mama's powerful Deities work with her to help people bring light out of all their darkness. It is healing work for people who want to experience authentic indigenous shamanic healing: She comes from a long line of healers from Egypt who have always practised the 'Amoon or Amoo' path of getting to the light to find peace by cleansing all of the darkness within. As a result of her own healing experiences , has created a healing sanctuary where people can come on retreat for several days at a time, and go on a healing journey safely into the underworld - guided by the four noble truths and the sacred plant medicine - to enter into the heart of all their darkness, so as to gradually be able to successfully reach the light.
blah blah blah
http://www.ayahuascaceremony.com/index.html
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This is unbelievable!:
Our 2012 Spiritual
Preparation Packages
As part of Rain Queen Mother's work to help people prepare for 2012, the following combination packages of Pujas, Ceremonies and Divinations have been put together to help people know what to do for themselves as we approach 2012. People are strongly advised to think carefully about the need to spend money on their own spirits.
The truth be told we cannot get spiritual work done for free, not in this day and age.........(justification for this follows etc etc)....... if we do not spend money to make offerings to our Ancestors and to maintain and purify our Sprits we will not have wellbeing in our lives. Our spiritual wellbeing is far more important than our physical wellbeing..........
.............. the only way we can effectively prepare for 2012 is by engaging in appropriate Shamanic healing work...........
.......those who do not prepare will begin to experience lots of upheavals in their personal lives........
Package 1
This package is for people who are interested in high spiritual work and are already on their own spiritual path: .............................
Cost: £4,000
Package 2
This package is for people who are just beginning their spiritual awakening:..........
Cost: £3,500
Package 3
This package is for people who are yet to begin their spiritual journey:..................
Cost: £2,800
Tailored Packages
Please note that we can also create another package for you that is tailored to your particular budget. However, all preparation packages include a minimum of 3 Ayahuasca Ceremonies, a day Tara Puja, one Mallom Puja and 5 Mythic Divinations.
http://www.raisingthedivinefeminine.com/2012_spiritual_preparation_packages.html
Wow, good job she does the mythic divinations, we would be lost without them!
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and she then puts this in her terms and conditions page:
".....................The author of this site acknowledges and remembers the souls of those who died in Wars to bring the internet alive. We pay tribute to their memory, by hoping that more people use the internet for Sacred Healing work of our planet and not as a tool to exercise their lower emotions of greed, perversion and autocracy.
This site has been written with respect, dignity and dedication for the Medicine Elders, Holy peoples and the Sent Ones of Indigenous peoples around the world who have dedicated thier lives to the Sacred cause of living by the Laws of Nature."
http://www.raisingthedivinefeminine.com/terms_and_conditions.html
Maybe Rain Queen Mama and Little Grandmother should get together, they could compare notes.
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I am actually surprised that this one isn't claiming to be one of the other 12 wisdom keepers that are supposed to be around the globe, waiting them to start popping up any time to "prove" things true. :p
Maybe Rain Queen Mama and Little Grandmother should get together, they could compare notes.
Yes. They seem to have lots in common with the obsession to terms, conditions and exclusive rights amongst other things. One of the latest fb messages of Kiesha is about someone creating a fanpage there that has no approval from her...
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"The author of this site acknowledges and remembers the souls of those who died in Wars to bring the internet alive.
???
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I just love the menacing subtext in her various procalamtions about why people should give her large amounts of money
e.g.
if we do not spend money to make offerings to our Ancestors and to maintain and purify our Sprits we will not have wellbeing in our lives. Our spiritual wellbeing is far more important than our physical wellbeing..........
People should be prepared to make a fair exchange for the work that has been done to get this Sacred Medicine to them and to help them achieve their healing. If you do not pay a fair exchange for the work you have received it is not good for ones Karma.
classy
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Rain Queen Mother / Rain Queen Mama now has a new website
http://www.herbalandwellbeingsanctuary.com
Please note the datura flowers in the banner at the top
It is just another site offering healing and transformation via the use of various psychoactive drugs commonly used as entheogens.
In addiction to the ayahuasca retreats she appears to be offering services using iboga, although when you click on the link for iboga retreats you just get a page soliciting for donations.
Lots of appropriated images and photos of people who probably have no idea that their likenesses are being used and abused in this way.
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just a little update.....
RQM now lists details of her Iboga retreats ......we're talking big money here
About Our Super Detox & Healing Iboga Retreat
The Herbal Wellbeing and Ceremonial Sanctuary is dedicated to preserving and restoring the life-saving ancient detox and healing practices of Indigenous peoples that promote wellbeing. Many of these practices are being lost due to modernisation. From time to time, as funds permit, we will invite special healers who are highly regarded in their local communities to come and hold retreats at our Sanctuary.
About Le Bois Sacre Iboga
The human body is like a flower and it is originally natural and organic, but because of past events and all of the chemicals we ingest - for various reasons, our bodies are crowded with chemicals and emotional repressions and depression. Le Bois Sacre Iboga can help us to return our bodies back to their natural state. Technically Iboga can heal anything, because it cleans out any unnatural elements in our blood, and it also brings our body back into balance. Iboga is also used successfully for people looking to detox their emotional and psychological traumas, their body and the spirit for greater health. Under the proper shamanic guidance, Iboga will detox your body more quickly and effectively than other detox regimes. It is sometimes known as I-begin-again!
Iboga detoxes by resetting the body back to zero? It is one of the most powerful detox medicines on the Planet. It provides an all-natural full-body cellular detoxification and overall cleansing which also more importantly aids in healing the mind, body and spirit by causing you to go on a mental journey that allows you to have intellectual introspection into the psychological, emotional and spiritual concerns that you have in your life.
When life started there was no disease. In its natural state, in a natural environment, the body, the mind and the spirit would be healthy because the body has a natural defence system that can respond to sickness by healing itself. Anything that causes imbalance is human created. No disease is natural. We humans create our diseases for one reason or another.
Our Iboga Retreats
4/5 Days Physical/ Spiritual Iboga Healing Retreat£895
Click here to book
4/5 Days Detox from Drug Addictions Iboga Retreat£1,200
Click here to book
4/5 Days Healing Depression/ Anxiety Iboga Retreat£1,400
Click here to book
http://www.herbalandwellbeingsanctuary.com/detox_retreats_with_iboga.html
RQM also has a new site here
THE CELEBRITY AYAHUASCA & IBOGA PROJECT
http://ibogabeautiful.com
If you are a powerful Celebrity and you inspire thousands or even millions of people in the World, or if you are a member of Royalty, a powerful politician we believe it is time to reconnect with Nature and open your heart and mind - to see understand the importance of Preserving 'Mother Earth's most Sacred Rainforests'. But you can't 'Save' something if you don't feel connected to it and these Ceremonies are designed to help us all get connected.
You can choose to have your Retreat at our UK Singing Rainforest Sanctuary in the UK, or you can choose to have your Retreat in the jungles of Peru, Ecuador, Gabon or Indonesia.
Our project works with male and female Royal Shamans who have extraordinary healing abilities. For those who want to experience a Ceremony but do not want to travel abroad, our UK Sanctuary is the perfect location. We work closely with the nearby woodlands to allow guests to have an equally powerful Healing experience as they would in the rainforests of South America, Gabon or Indonesia. The Ceremonies that we offer attract clients from all over the UK and around the world. Many of our clients often choose to experience their Ceremony in the UK, because they don't want parts of their healing experience to get 'lost in translation'.
A PRIVATE INVITATION TO TRANSFORM YOUR LIFE IN THE RUN UP TO 2012 AND BEYOND!
As Tori Amos so eloquently put it, we invite you to come and do 'YOUR INNER WORK' and to develop the beauty that lies within. Learn to love yourself more - from the inside out!
The Indigenous inhabitants of the Rainforests of South America and Africa have practiced the ancient healing Ceremonies of La Madre Ayahuasca and Le Bois Sacre Iboga for hundreds and thousands of years, in order to help them understand their own connection with Nature. Celebrities, Journalists and World Leaders can experience a 3-4 day Ceremony in return for making a donation to our Singing Rainforest Fund and for writing an inspirational piece about their retreat after their experience. Our Singing Rainforest Fund aims to help Royal Indigenous Shamans who live in Gabon, Peru, Ecuador and Indonesia maintain their Royal Shamanic Ceremonies and Plant Medicines which can help bring wellbeing to the entire world.
MAKE A BOOKING
To make a booking for the UK, please complete the Retreat Booking Form and we will contact you shortly thereafter.
Alternatively if you would like to experience your retreat in the Equatorial Rainforests or a Sacred Site around the world, please visit our Avatar Healing Destinations website where you can select from a range of worldwide destinations.
PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL BOOKINGS ARE STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL.
http://ibogabeautiful.com/experience-ayahuasca-iboga-healing-journey.html
Also, it is worth noticing that in the new websites there is no mention of Rain Queen Mother / Rain Queen Mama, it is now Shaman Queen Healer and her friends the "Royal Shamans".
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more websites owned by RQM
http://singingrainforest.com/
http://www.avatarhealingdestinations.com
I just noticed this
Celebrities, Journalists and World Leaders can experience a 3-4 day Ceremony in return for making a donation to our Singing Rainforest Fund and for writing an inspirational piece about their retreat after their experience.
from here:
http://ibogabeautiful.com/experience-ayahuasca-iboga-healing-journey.html
which may explain this
A shamanic detox in Sussex
You may not see strange visions of celebs, but an ayahuasca shamanic healing session can leave you mentally and physically rebooted
Stephanie Theobald
guardian.co.uk, Friday 12 August 2011 22.45 BST
I'm sitting on the lawn of the village church in Ticehurst, East Sussex, clutching a copy of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. In between swotting up on the hierarchy of the afterlife (the paradise of the gods, the realms of the demi-gods, men, animals, hungry ghosts and hell beings) I glance up at the passing snowy-haired gentlemen in crisp linen blazers talking of cricket, and they're starting to freak me out.
It probably wasn't a great idea to leave the Singing Rainforest sanctuary, a frosted-glass locale on the village high street, sandwiched between Cheryl's Dry Cleaning and CLeach the greengrocer.
When you're in the sanctuary, the altar – laden with wizened fruit and packets of Maldon sea salt, with a picture of a demented-looking god (Yamantaka, the Tibetan lord of the underworld) in the middle – begins to seem normal. Rain, my personal therapist and self-styled "Lunar Shaman Queen", has come to seem very normal too. Every so often she'll tell me what her "spirits" have been advising her to do before tonight's ayahuasca ceremony (flipping through Sacred Tibetan Teachings on Death and Liberation, for instance).
The plant she refers to as "Mama ayahuasca" is, Rain says, "the ultimate detox", because it "unblocks not just your body but also your mind and spirit from negative forces".
The good thing about 40-year-old Rain is that she's also got a great sense of humour, joking wryly that she's "the only black in the village". Her dad was a Ghanaian ambassador and she went to a girls' boarding school in West Sussex before getting a job in the music industry. And then, 13 years ago, she "woke up" – meaning that she found out that her great-great-great grandmother had been a revered healer in her native African village.
Rain believes that her ancestor entered the demi-god realm when she died and then went on to reside in the ayahuasca vine (believed sacred by all shamans who work with it). And through this she speaks to Rain.
I did an ayahuasca retreat this time last year in the Pyrenees; it was fun, and exhilarating, with a lot of 1970s-style album cover visuals – some of them profound and moving.
But Rain warns me that her ceremonies are low on visuals and heavy on "healing through purging". Vomiting is what she means, and she tells me the story of a journalist from a glossy magazine who came here recently, and whose vomit was filled with bad spirits. "The worst I've seen in years," she shudders. "I took a picture of it."
Sitting here in the churchyard, I worry if my sick is going to be photogenic. And then a snowy-haired lady walks past, talking about a "wonderful cream tea", and I start wondering what the hell I'm doing taking vomit-inducing hallucinogenics and tussling with "bad spirits" when I should just be having a nice, normal weekend in the East Sussex countryside.
Except maybe this village isn't so normal after all. Why don't the locals look you in the eye? And why are there goats grazing among the sunken headstones of the church graveyard?
Rain thinks that East Sussex has a Midwich Cuckoos vibe. "Devil energy," she reckons, adding that the mystic Aleister Crowley used to do ceremonies in the nearby Ashdown Forest and that the Scientologists and the Jehovah's Witnesses have their headquarters in the area. So I walk back to the sanctuary, figuring that maybe by this time tomorrow I'll know what the goats are thinking.
But this time around, the ayahuasca ceremony feels less weird – or at least less trippy. The "plant medicine" I drink has the familiar bitter taste, but it doesn't make me feel totally out of it. And Rain is a hard taskmaster. At one point, I start to feel myself fly up to some happy pink and gold clouds. But she steers me down, and soon we're in a psychodrama involving my family and ex-lovers and "bad forces".
At one point the lights on the ceiling become goats' eyes and I'm not sure what country I'm in, yet this doesn't bother me. I'm not allowed to mention too many of the family specifics, but at one point Rain's spirits tell her I have African blood. Then she starts vomiting – to get rid of my bad spirits, she says. I'm hoping this means I'm not going to have to vomit. But her great-great-great grandmother, it seems, has other ideas.
This is the gross bit. I hate being sick. But when some vomit finally comes, the lower back pain I've had for two months mysteriously vanishes.
We've been going for about four hours now and, exhausted, I drift into sleep. The next day I wander back to the graveyard. I feel light. I linger a while over a strangely beautiful spray of orange berries, and when I look at the munching goats there doesn't seem to be much difference between them and me. When one of the snowy-haired gents walks past I write in my notebook: "Sometimes you need to leave the cream tea world."
Back in London, I start to wonder if the stuff about bad spirits and swirling demons isn't actually mad at all. Well, maybe. I feel as though my system has been rebooted and the back pain hasn't come back. The only vaguely weird thing is that when I go for my weekly shop in Tesco I pass by the magazine stand and momentarily hallucinate that Peter Andre is a huge trout.
A detox that makes you see behind the face of C-list celebs? Rain's great-great-great grandmother probably knows what it all means.
• ayahuasca treatments start from £550, including accommodation.(singingrainforest.com)
from here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2011/aug/12/ayahuasca-detox-sussex
so RQM is now calling herself just "Rain"
I wonder how much of a donation Stephanie Theobald had to make in order to get her free ceremony? It seems that writing an "inspirational piece" = advertising RQM in the Guardian.
If anyone is wondering who Stephanie Theobald is, she wrote a fairly awful piece about being an ayahuasca tourist on a "vision quest" here http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2010/sep/11/vision-quest-wellbeing-pyrenees-france
edited to add
the whois records for singingrainforest.com are interesting
Reverse Whois: "High Hawk Mountain Feather Kontomble" owns about10 other domains Registrar History: 1 registrar NS History: 1 change on 2 unique name servers over 1 year. IP History: 2 changes on 2 unique IP addresses over 1 years. Whois History: 4 records have been archived since 2010-12-04 . Reverse IP: 3,890 other sites hosted on this server.
http://whois.domaintools.com/singingrainforest.com
so we should add "High Hawk Mountain Feather Kontomble" to her long list of aliases
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Oh dear
Earlier on in the thread people questioned RQM's legitimacy after checking out a wikipedia article on a different, real, rain queen.
RQM was probably paying attention as she has set up a new website claiming to be an information portal on different rain queens. All she has done is copy articles from books and the www regarding real rain queens and then inserted the usual highly dubious misinformation about herself on the same website.
from the wesbite
A dedicated hub of information promoting awareness of Africa's female leadership traditions including Rain Queen Mothers, Queen Mothers, Queens, Priestesses, Shaman Healers, Warriors and their associated roles, customs and history.
You can check it out here:
http://rainqueensofafrica.com/
Also she set up a twitter account here
http://rainqueensofafrica.com/
youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/RainQueensofAfrica
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Cached page from a local newspaper The Argus expressing concerns about the "healing sanctuary"
It’s advertised as a relaxing therapy but at £550 a time what you could be experiencing is a class A drug
3:30pm Friday 20th May 2011
By Ben Parsons, Crime Reporter
A South American drug containing a banned class A chemical is being offered as a “therapy” at a Sussex retreat.
Ayahuasca, a tea brewed from South American shrubs containing the illegal psychedelic agent DMT, is being used in £550-a-time sessions in the quiet village of Ticehurst.
Although ayahuasca is not on the list of proscribed substances, police have raised concerns about its use and former users claim it has led them into mental illness.
The Argus can also reveal the powerful hallucinogen has been used in religious ceremonies in village halls in the county since 2005.
The drug was linked in an inquest to the mental breakdown of a mother who committed suicide in 2007.
One former user claimed she was left needing anti-psychotic medication after taking the substance.
A relative of a third follower of the ceremonies, who later died in childbirth, claimed her successful business collapsed as she came to depend on the drug, even taking it when she was pregnant.
Both sources claimed they were aware of people either giving or advocating giving the drug to children, while the “retreat” at Ticehurst said 15-year-olds have taken it at ceremonies, though not in the United Kingdom.
Medical advice is firmly opposed to the use of psychoactive substances by people with a history of mental health problems.
Risk
Dr Anthony Glasper, clinical director for substance misuse services at Sussex Partnership Trust, said: “We would recommend people abstain from pretty much any psychoactive substance other than the psychiatric medicine they are prescribed.
“There is a recognised risk. If you use hallucinogens you are more likely to suffer panic attacks. It can induce psychotic reactions.”
The Herbal Wellbeing and Ceremonial Sanctuary in Church Street, Ticehurst, is advertising retreats at which ayahuasca is taken.
Prices range from £550 for a single session and massage to £2,100 for a ten-day “post-traumatic stress healing retreat”.
The organisation’s website emphasises ayahuasca is not a recreational drug and the ceremonies involve “Shaman Queen Lhamo Healer” guiding the visitor through their experience.
The website reads: “When you drink of this sacred rainforest medicine, it will take you on a healing journey that enables you to let go of deep seated negative emotions in the mind, body and spirit that are causing you pain and blockage in your life.”
When The Argus called the Herbal Wellbeing and Ceremonial Sanctuary pretending to be a customer, a woman giving her name as Miss Hope confirmed the chacruna leaf contained in the ayahuasca medicine contained DMT – but said police had told them they could trade.
She said: “The youngest we have worked with, with ayahuasca, is 15.”
She added: “When we started we had the police check on the legalities with their drug department . . . We have been checked out and were fine.”
When The Argus raised the issue of the use of ayahuasca by children, a spokeswoman for the centre said it had not given ayahuasca to any children in Sussex and that the 15-year-old referred to was at a ceremony in South America.
The spokeswoman said: “In order to work with the medicine one must be an authentic shaman. We do not advocate or advise people to drink ayahuasca with non-authentic indigenous shamans.
“In the UK there are far too many people using ayahuasca in a non-shamanic way whereas at our centre we took the trouble to contact our local police and the department of health to verify the usage of ayahuasca.”
She condemned westerners who visit South America and import traditional medicine to the UK, saying: “People who try to get a quick fix or cheap healing end up not getting what they wanted. Ceremonies are a complicated procedure and to be able to conduct a genuine healing ceremony one should have studied shamanism for at least seven years.”
Detective Chief Inspector Tim Nunn said: “It is not for Sussex Police to ‘approve’ the use of any substance and we have not done so in the case of the Ticehurst centre.
“These products contain controlled drugs and this company may be committing offences under the Misuse of Drugs Act.
“This is an issue we shall keep under review.”
While he said the force has “no specific policy”
about ayahuasca, he added: “DMTis a class A drug under MDA 1971 and Sussex Police would not condone its use or supply, particularly to children.”
In a separate development, English followers of the Santo Daime religion– which uses ayahuasca as a “sacrament” – have held sessions in Sussex since at least 2005.
At one session at Telscombe Village Hall a “minimum donation” of £50 was requested.
Ceremonies
The Devon-based Eternal Heart Centre, the company behind that ceremony, publicly reported its principal activity as: “To organise countrywide events that ultimately follow the practice and teachings of the Santo Daime church and support communities and projects in the Amazon rain forest, in Brazil.
It is unclear whether any ceremonies have taken place since 2009.
Anthony Palazzo-Coetzer, 35, from Hangleton, Hove, said his sister, Beatrice, who became a regular user, took it while pregnant and he claimed she also reported people advocating giving it to children.
He said: “She said it was a medicine.
“She confided in me, saying she’d give it to my nephew, who had not yet been born.”
Mr Palazzo-Coetzer claimed that Beatrice went into a decline after she began taking the drug.
He said: “It was a very quick downward spiral.
Her friends all changed. Her business fell apart.”
He said Beatrice, who died aged 38 in childbirth, had become dependent on the drug.
He said: “She sold her house. She said, ‘I don’t know what I’m doing. I need to go and do another ceremony to find out which direction I need to be going.’ “Every time she came back she was still lost.”
Another woman also attended Santo Daime ceremonies in Sussex – which are not connected to the Ticehurst therapy centre.
She said she got involved in the ceremonies after becoming interested in “spiritual seeking”
such as yoga and reiki.
She said she believed she should have been given advice that, as a person who had suffered mental health problems in the past, ayahuasca could affect her mental state.
She said: “I took a lot of it and it pretty much destroyed two or three years.
“My problem with it is not so much the drug itself. You make your own choices.
“It is the lack of advice they give you.”
After a “hell-like” trip, she continued to suffer visual hallucinations.
She claimed that when she told the people who ran the ceremony about her problems, they advised her to keep taking the drug.
The woman, now 29, who does not wish to be named, said: “It is a church to them. It is not like, ‘Let’s get mashed.'”They advised me, ‘It is your journey. It is your path, you need to come and have some more.’ “I went back like an idiot and had more.”
She said she was aware of some followers of the group, who gave the drug to their teenage children. One girl told her she saw “swirly lights” when she walked down the street.
She said: “I didn’t think it was a good idea. I explained that and they didn’t like it at all.
“Drugs affect you forever. I thought it was unfair on her when she was young.”
In 2007 , The Argus reported on the suicide of ayahuasca user and depression sufferer Clare Moorhouse, from Brighton.
Her inquest heard that her friends had told psychiatric staff at Millview Hospital , in Hove, that use of the drug had made her more unstable.
Sussex Police confirmed they are prosecuting a man over the importing of 60kg of “root bark powder” containing DMT.
Jonathan Peter Hobbs, 24, of Brighton Road, Pease Pottage, was arrested in Brighton and charged on 20 October last year with fraudulent evasion of duty and illegal importation of the drug.
He is currently on bail awaiting trial at Lewes Crown Court and is due to appear on June 17.
In Devon police have mounted a prosecution for an alleged conspiracy to avoid the prohibition on DMT by importing ayahuasca.
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The characters posting on this thread clearly have been nowhere near the Sanctuary or Rain Queen Mother.
Anyone with any objectivity whatsoever will be able to pick up on the sly and cynical tone, particularly when reading posts by 'nemesis'.
I implore any one of you to back up your claims with any evidence you may have, because Rain or the Sanctuary does simply not work in this way at all.
Ayahuasca is not a 'psychoactive drug' but it has been labelled as such by naysayers who refuse to accept or honour ways that might seem different to their own, or more likely that they do not even have a way of their own at all.
I myself have had the privilege of travelling the world with Rain Queen Mother, (I suppose that makes me a 'representative of the Poo Naa cult'), and I can promise you that the journeys to acquire the medicines, travelling costs, accommodation costs etc amount to a great deal as I have seen it first hand. This is why there are charges for the ceremonies - recoupment.
It is sad that some take it upon themselves to behave in such an inappropriate way and make their voice so boldly heard over the internet. It is so common nowadays that we have a term for it - trolling.
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Ok James Marxe I take it your not NATIVE, :o
If you were native you would know the minute you charge money, you have
no belief so many of you fake people wannabe people exist out there who have no ideal
what you are doing.
Yes i object!
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I am native to England which means I know a great deal about how my people have made everything about money and so very expensive.
If you actually believe it costs nothing to travel the world and bring sacred medicines back to somewhere so spiritually devoid as the UK to help its people to see what they are doing is wrong, then it is you who knows nothing at all.
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Ayahuasca is not a 'psychoactive drug' but it has been labelled as such by naysayers who refuse to accept or honour ways that might seem different to their own, or more likely that they do not even have a way of their own at all.
http://www.drugscouts.de/de/lexikon/ayahuasca
this page is in german but you may understand it by translating it in english.
Ayahuasca - drink as I understand is a combination of two plants: Yage (Banisteriopsis Caapi), containts Harminsowie Spuren von Harmalin and Chakruna-Blätter (Psychotria viridis), containts Dimethyltryptamin (DMT).
Harmalin is an MAO-Hemmer, DMT has an medical effect like LSD. Monoaminooxidase (MAO) normally reduce (abbauen) DMT, before it crosses the blood-cerebral barrier, but in this combination of these two medical agent this drink crosses and "carry" its consciousness-expanding effects.
In this case Ayahuasca has its psychodelic effects.
A lot of substances can be used to heal,but in the right context and by authorizised people.
Morphium is a well-known medicine, used and abused, in hospital it is used by patients with terrible pain, and they are addicted to this drug, but without Morphium some could never bear their pain. Other people use this medicine in another way: as drugs.
Ayahuasca as a sacred drink for using in ceremonies or healing should not be used just as fun or getting visions, this would be abusing.
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I am native to England which means I know a great deal about how my people have made everything about money and so very expensive.
If you actually believe it costs nothing to travel the world and bring scared medicines back to somewhere so spiritually devoid as the UK to help its people to see what they are doing is wrong, then it is you who knows nothing at all.
(Quoted for documentation)
I know a great deal about how my people have made everything about money and so very expensive.
Way back when I was living in GB, my friends always said there was a proverb claiming the English were a nation of shopkeepers, but they weren't too certain this should rather say: a nation of shoplifters.
Although you add another variant: stealing spirituality from here and there and putting them up in a shop of your own. What's that spell?
bring scared medicines back
(Emphasis mine)
Interesting typo, but a very appropriate one.
If the medicines are scared of you to begin with, it seems a good idea to leave them where they belong and stop abusing what is not yours.
Regarding the rest of your posts, James: NAFPS is not the place where insolent and racist remarks towards ndns will be tolerated.
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Oh dear. I seem to have awoken the beast.
This was to be expected I suppose..
Sturmboe, please do not mix science and spirituality. It won't work. There is too much that science does not see, and if you knew a bit more about what science as we know it really is then you may would begin to understand a little more. Nobody here is abusing ayahuasca. If a Queen Mother is not qualified to perform a sacred ceremony, then please who is?
Ingeborg, I am English and have lived here for my whole life and am not ashamed to admit that it is my people, by means of the British Empire who have constructed this system of money printing, inflation, corruption, lies and deception that we know as the world today. It has been done through war, force, enslavement of certain peoples and genocide of others. So if anybody on here is complaining about things costing so much then please take it up with the British Empire and the banking system as it is they who have put such a high price on everything. Do you think our government is willing to fund and support holy people doing holy work? Pay for their rent, water, food and upkeep? No,they are too busy funding wars and bailouts.
Show a little respect for those doing their best to do the right thing.
With regards the sacred medicines, do you not think Rain Queen Mother has been given the permission and authority to bring them over here to help the people?
And the typo, if you are that desperate to use something like that to make a point, then better not make it at all.
Nemesis is someone who took a grudge too far, and the moderator has been contacted about this issue. They insisted that I reply to the comments on the thread myself to rectify all this.
Nobody on here is talking any sense at all as they have had no experience with Rain.
It's so ignorant and insulting.
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James, are you aware that you are writing in a very colonial manner?
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Its probably because he has never talk to Native people before,
Yes i understand English and how they steal everything in this world to make it
theirs by corrupting it to fit their way.
Your people just cant stop the abuse can you, you think you have some right to do this
and them thinking that one person can give another person the right to steal your wrong.
Why would you do that to a people who are just trying to survive in this world. What
have you done for my people except steal from us.
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I'm aware that this entire thread should be taken down as it is slanderous, defamatory and based upon nothing except cynicism and conjecture.
Nobody on here has actually bothered to go out of their way to find out what they are talking about.
It's very, very sad.
Lifting articles off of the net proves nothing at all. As we can see here, anyone can say anything at all online.
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I'm aware that this entire thread should be taken down as it is slanderous, defamatory and based upon nothing except cynicism and conjecture.
Nobody on here has actually bothered to go out of their way to find out what they are talking about.
It's very, very sad.
Lifting articles off of the net proves nothing at all. As we can see here, anyone can say anything at all online.
James, you are a white person living in England. What is very, very sad is the fact that colonialism is so ingrained in you that you think it is acceptable to colonize the culture of indigenous peoples and that you feel that your opinions are in higher regard that actual indigenous people.
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Yes earthw7, that's exactly what this is all about.
Undoing the mess the English have made. I'm tired of how we have been behaving.
It's disgusting and it must stop.
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Yes earthw7, that's exactly what this is all about.
Undoing the mess the English have made. I'm tired of how we have been behaving.
It's disgusting and it must stop.
Then why are you continuing the legacy of colonialism?
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Sky, this is what I mean with not knowing anything about Rain Queen Mother.
People on here have got totally the wrong idea.
Her life's work is to do with undoing the karma of colonialism and slavery etc
Where did you get the idea that I am a colonialist?
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I get the idea that you are a colonialist because you are defending the selling of something sacred to a Peoples. Are you aware that there is a serious issue of over harvesting regarding the plants used to make the preparations that are used in these 'ceremonies'? What about the real living cultures that this over harvesting is effecting? Do they not matter?
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Earning the Queen Mother title is not something that comes easy.
Being a Queen Mother actually means something and is not a joke.
I can promise you that if such a person has been given the permission or authority by those who know more about what is right and wrong than us, the I would not worry about it.
Believe me, my people need these medicines. They are completely lost and in the process destroying the Earth.
We cannot expect Rain to pay for everything herself.
How unfair is that?
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So, white people are more important that the Peoples who are having to deal with the over harvesting? Is that what you're saying?
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What is this over harvesting you are speaking of?
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Do a little research. Many of the plants used in the preparations have been over harvested.
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Please come on Sky, this is farcical.
If you have an issue with such a matter the take it up with those who have turned ayahuasca into a tourism industry.
Rain Queen Mothers work is of a very high level, (hence the title Queen Mother), and must continue.
It is honest,real, genuine and needed on so many levels.
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Please come on Sky, this is farcical.
If you have an issue with such a matter the take it up with those who have turned ayahuasca into a tourism industry.
Rain Queen Mothers work is of a very high level, (hence the title Queen Mother), and must continue.
It is honest,real, genuine and needed on so many levels.
Farcical? Seriously? The people who have turned it into an industry are people like you, the people who participate. Hence this conversation.
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Again, this is not an industry.
It is healing work that must take place.
You don't seem to understand what I am talking about so probably best not take this conversation any further.
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This was an old thread so I was not familiar with it until James brought it back to life.
OMG! It looks like she is a follower of David Icke. These are exactly the kinds of things he talks about, except she doesn't mention the giant lizards.
The clocks are ticking and when we say the clocks are ticking we are not talking about Big Ben. Time is controlled by the planets and not by the watches on our wrists. Our day is created by the rising and setting of the Sun. These forces have used Freemasonry and endless Secret Societies against us; they have damaged our belief systems with the Media, they have downloaded loads of artificial intelligence into our minds through education; they have forced us to believe in their karmic negativity; they have destroyed our relationship with our Mother Earth by making us live on concrete; they have set the races apart from each other and made some races more superior than others; they have fed us a diet of War, hatred, love of Money; they have put chemtrails in the sky; they have poisoned our food with toxins; they have put fluoride in our water to stop us from opening our pineal glands; they have stolen our myths and our true destinies and put them into fictional movies and children’s books so we cannot make them come true; they have given us false and corrupt leaders who keep us in a 9-5 prison consciousness of wage slave labour; in short they have disconnected us from our higher selves and Mother Earth. La Madre Ayahuasca sees the people who harbour these forces on earth as some of the greatest black magicians that have ever walked this planet. They are mind controllers and they do not like it when some of us have been given a Golden Key to break free to help others break free. They want us to believe that there is nothing in life worth fighting for except shopping, watching movies, going online, sex, drugs etc... and getting to work each day. We must break their evil spell - because it’s gone way too far.
http://www.herbalandwellbeingsanctuary.com/
She is just another collector of "lost" souls and that is what is truly sad.
So many people want so desperately to feel that someone or something is above them and that these other forces are in charge, but the truth is THAT NO ONE IS IN CHARGE.
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Again, this is not an industry.
It is healing work that must take place.
You don't seem to understand what I am talking about so probably best not take this conversation any further.
Before you leave, could you please explain which Native American communities recognize her? http://www.ligali.org/pdf/poo_naa_cult_grand_mother_ayahuasca_retreats_e_flyer.pdf (http://www.ligali.org/pdf/poo_naa_cult_grand_mother_ayahuasca_retreats_e_flyer.pdf) "Rain Queen Mother Poo Naa
is a natural born indigenous wellbeing healer reco
gnised in Peru, Native America,
South Africa, Tibet, Korea, West Africa & other cou
ntries. She has worked in the UK & around the worl
d as a Traditional
Medicine Doctor for more than 10 years, successfull
y providing culturally-sensitive healthcare helping
people to attain
wellbeing and good health. She journeys throughout
the indigenous world to discover the most exceptio
nal natural born
indigenous healers."
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I found some interesting info on our dear Queen Mum or Royal Pain - oh, pardon: Royal Shame-On.
There seems to be a history of attempts of sliencing persons who seek to educate the public:
http://www.ligali.org/article.php?id=2105
Fri 18 June 2010
Notice: Ligali faces Google censorship challenge
Ligali has received notice from Google that some of its published content may be censored following a copyright complaint sent by a representative of the Poo Naa cult
Over the last month the Ligali website has been the target of several online and offline attacks. This has included incessant blocked phone calls, our servers being bombarded with thousands of spam email, key news articles being deleted and hacked into and now the attempt of a covert legal attack through Google.
Whilst the identity of those behind the recent phone, hacking and spam attacks on Ligali is unknown, we have now obtained correspondence from Google with regards to an attempt to censor some of our content. We have copies of a letter that was sent by fax to Google on 15 June 2010 from fax no: 01580 752 8xx claiming Ligali is guilty of copyright infringement of literature produced by the Poo Naa cult led by disgraced messianic leader Khanyisa Amoo (real name unknown). [...]
The site also provides this info:
New Age Fraud
Ligali classifies the Poo Naa cult as a manipulative group that through spiritual hustling preys on the spiritual and medicinal needs of the Pan African and other vulnerable communities. Our own investigation into its history reveals Amoo (then believed to be known as Kanysa Amoo) used to be the front person of a similar enterprise that originally started in Camden, London calling itself the Dagara Peace Commission for the Peoples of the African Diaspora (DPCFPAD). Amoo’s real name (DOB 2X/07/70) is unknown.
She claims to her followers/customers that’s she “comes from a long line of healers from Egypt who have always practised the ‘Amoon or Amoo’ path of getting to the light to find peace by cleansing all of the darkness within”. She also adds that Credo Mutwa threw the bones for her in 1998 and gave her the name 'Khanyisa' which means ‘bringer of light out of darkness to find peace’” and that in 2008 she was “also given the name Pema Lhamo, after spending time with healers and Lamas in Nepal”
Ligali alleges that after failing her initiation for being of poor character and her unwillingness to modify her manipulative behaviour even after being the recipient of several attempts at corrective instruction from a world renown initiated elder, Amoo’s disgrace led to her finally being banned from ever returning to the Dagara people in West Africa by village elders.
She subsequently moved out of London to the rural areas before finally setting up and masquerading as a herbal, wellbeing and ceremonial sanctuary in Kent that abuses African and other indigenous spiritual belief systems for financial gain.
Our research also found several former ‘clients’ of the cult and those who have formally been in close relationship with Khanyisa who have spoken to us about the ‘evil’, manipulative and aggressive behaviour deployed by her devotees especially whilst working over vulnerable people or attempting to secure payment of cash for the cults alleged divine services and 'amazing' spiritual retreats.
Cult followers are charged several thousands of pounds for an apprenticeship, it is also believed that naïve university students have been coerced into using their student loans to finance her business whilst dropping out of study.
The cult also is involved in organising rituals with hallucinogenic DMT substances under the guise of “Ayahuasca ceremonies” which are unlawful in the UK. In a testimonial written by one of her business colleagues named ‘emma’ it reads;
“I can’t imagine what it would have been like to journey to the space I went to outside of a Ceremony but within the space with Rain Queen Mother I felt utterly safe and able to go through what felt like a death experience. During the Ceremony, Grandmother Ayahuasca told me that Rain Queen Mother was her sister, that her job is to heal the world’s people and that her work is fundamental to the shifts of 2012”
Whilst Ayahuasca, a botanical hallucinogenic brew used by indigenous people in South America, has legitimate medicinal purposes when administered by authentic medicine people in a traditional environment, its usage in the UK by Amoo and her followers during cash cow ‘spiritual retreats’ may qualify as an offence for possession, supply and illegal usage as a “Class A controlled substance under Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.
In the research paper “Ayahuasca and Spiritual Crisis: Liminality as Space for Personal Growth” by Sara E Lewis she writes; “Although ayahuasca is an extremely powerful hallucinogen (see Callaway et al. 1999 for pharmacological description), its danger is not physical. It has been used for millennia and is not considered a toxic substance(Luna and White 2000); rather, potential danger is psychological in nature. Curanderos state they use the substance to leave their bodies, travel to spiritual realms, and engage with spirits. In a similar vein, many people (regardless of culture or religion) seem to have profound spiritual experiences when they drink ayahuasca. Although the ceremonies can be dif?cult to endure, people emerge feeling cleansed, revived, and empowered.”
Amoo claims her “Specialist GrandMama Ayahuasca Ceremonies are an unique opportunity for people to work with a Deity Healer” in the “Dagabah and Akan traditions” she also claims to uses the ‘Kontombles’ to provide spiritual justification for needing payment for cleansing rituals or to create long term fee paying subscribers to correct any ‘imbalance of labour’. From the now defunct raisingthedivinefeminine.com, one of the many websites of the cult that targets vulnerable African women, one such hustle reads;
“When we are sick or we feel that our life story is out of balance it is these Forces that a Mythic Diviner looks to, to see how a person has fallen out of alignment; and it is with these Forces that Rain Queen Mother, as a Deity child, gets in touch with during her Divinations on behalf of her clients.
Rain Queen Mother contacts her Kontombles to find out what Rituals the Deity Forces would have her client perform; what Prayers they would like the client to offer to them and what offerings the client can make in order to petition the help of these Deities so that they will come to their aid and assist them to change their lives, or help bring their life into perfect alignment. To achieve perfect alignment is to achieve Enlightenment. As with Buddhism you must work very hard and it can take many years or even lifetimes to achieve.”
Toyin Agbetu, is the founder of Ligali. He first became aware of the deceptive nature of Amoos activities after failing to be taken in after being exposed to a sham ritual and reading by Poo Naa in 2007. After ten years of direct service to community work he publically stepped down as the organisations head on 5 June 2010, retiring the front line campaigning side of the publisher. In response to these current attacks he said;
“As former head of the Ligali Organisation I did not always get it right, to those I may have wronged I am sorry, but my intent has always been one of striving for Truth and of dedicating my life in loyal service to African people worldwide. Not once did Ligali ever seek to exploit or manipulate our community for political power or economic gain despite having numerous opportunities to do so.
Today, Ligali continues to publish content that many believe is both educational and invaluable even if just as a historical archive. As many know, I am also a firm believer in the human right of expression and free speech, and will defend Ligali publishing against all attacks, from hacking to attempts at censorship, be the threat from government, racists, African, non African, personal and otherwise. It is my belief that our community does not need further conflict. To those that would seek to bring Ligali down I beg you please, please seek counselling, get some healing and let it go.”
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From the same site as the above text:
Pseudonyms
Year Names
1999 Abena Amoo (?)
2001 Kanysa Amoo
2001 Khanyisa Amoo
2006 Khanyisa Somefusun
2006 Khanyisa Some Fu-Sun
2008 Rain Queen Mother Poo Naa
2008 Queen Mother Poo Naa Doo-Hawa
2008 Kumu Bagh’bora Poo Naa
2009 Rain Queen Mother Pema Lhamo
2010 The Pema Lhamo Queen Mother
2010 Rain Queen Mother (claims to be Namwign Bea – or a Bosom Mba)*
2011 Rain Queen Mama*
2011 Rain
2011 Rain Queen (Twitter)
2011 High Hawk Mountain Feather Kontomble
2011 Shaman Queen Healer
(*Added as a result of updated info and new threats/harassment from cult agents)
Organisation Aliases/Projects
2011 Singing Rain Forests
2011 Avatar Healing Destinations
2011 Rain Queens of Africa
2011 The Celebrity Ayahuasca & Iboga project - Iboga Beautiful
2010 Will U Survive 2012
2009 The Herbal and Wellbeing Sanctuary
2009 Raising The Divine Feminine
2009 Ghana’s Sunrise Ceremony
2009 The Lhamo Queen Mother Healing Foundation
2009 World Pujas For Peace Movement
2009 The Hozho Foundation for Wellbeing
2008 The Dagara Peace Commission
2007 DAGARA Peace Commission for the Peoples of the African Diaspora (DPCFPAD)
2006 The Wellbeing Boutique
2001 National Slavery Memorial Day Tour
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Thanks, Ingeborg.
She also adds that Credo Mutwa threw the bones for her in 1998 and gave her the name 'Khanyisa' which means ‘bringer of light out of darkness to find peace’” and that in 2008 she was “also given the name Pema Lhamo, after spending time with healers and Lamas in Nepal
David Icke takes a lot of his inspiration from Credo Mutwa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4apWOUNOx64
She sure has a lot of different aliases. Wonder what she is trying to flee from (maybe herself?)
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Found another one:
http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/life/ten-trips-save-your-soul-581368
4. Drink Ayahuasca and detoxify: Sussex, England
A potent healing medicine, made from the Ayahuasca vine and the leaf of the Chacruna plant, and collected from the jungles of the Amazon, is at the centre of this retreat. It causes purging as a means of removing toxins.
Ayamama Rain Queen, a gifted shaman who orchestrates the safe, highly personalized, one-to-one healing retreats at the Wellbeing and Cermonial Sanctuary in England, believes Ayahuasca can enable anyone who drinks it to access higher levels of emotional intelligence and foster a deeper connection with nature.
Not for the faint-hearted, but mind-blowing and truly transformative.
Rates: A three-night retreat costs from US$890
Wellbeing and Ceremonial Sanctuary; +44 (0)75 8146 2905; www.herbalandwellbeingsanctuary.com
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It's hilarious how everybody is so quick to attack Rain when again, (and again and again) they know absolutely nothing at all about her.
That is the nature of the internet. People living in a fantasy world where they think they know everything, but know absolutely nothing as they don't go out into the real world or reality to truly discover what is actually going on.
That might take money, time , energy and will. We can't have that now can we?
To back up claims people clamour to the nearest search engine and lift whatever nonsense they find posted by whomsoever with whatsoever an agenda.
Don't be so naive!
Go and discover for yourself. Not one of you has been to the Sanctuary or bothered to dig any deeper. There is more to the world than your little desks with your little laptops.
Multi dimensional reality - you should try it sometime.
This nemesis character is Toyin himself, the owner of that Ligali website.
He had a personal issue that goes back a few years and the details of it shall not be divulged in a place such as this. Nevertheless he embarked on a one man crusade to get his revenge, so to speak, and look at how out of hand matters are now just because of one silly mans vengeance. Going into reality and attempting to find a little more about this person will not lead to a happy place. He has had numerous problems in the past with the law and the nature of a person such as himself is to bring down or demean someone who is actually trying to do some genuine good in the world. We have all met or known people like this.
I am not going anywhere, don't worry.
I will argue absolutely anything you come back with as I am the only one present here who has the truth about what is really going on.
Ask me what you will. Whether you realise it or not, you are all benefiting from Rain Queen Mothers work. It is for all humanity. You will never understand that until you go and see for yourself.
Your laptops will get you nowhere so stop wasting your time.
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It's hilarious how everybody is so quick to attack Rain when again, (and again and again) they know absolutely nothing at all about her.
So, everything that has been found on her is a fabrication?
That is the nature of the internet. People living in a fantasy world where they think they know everything, but know absolutely nothing as they don't go out into the real world or reality to truly discover what is actually going on.
You're rather assumptive. I have no need to participate in her pay-to-pray endeavors. Fantasy world? Pot kettle my friend.
That might take money, time , energy and will. We can't have that now can we?
My money is better well spent else where, no need for my to purchase other peoples traditions.
To back up claims people clamour to the nearest search engine and lift whatever nonsense they find posted by whomsoever with whatsoever an agenda.
Don't be so naive!
Go and discover for yourself. Not one of you has been to the Sanctuary or bothered to dig any deeper. There is more to the world than your little desks with your little laptops.
Multi dimensional reality - you should try it sometime.
You are telling a community of indigenous peoples and their allies to appropriate...okay....
I am quite familiar with the world beyond my computer thank you very much. I am very active in it.
This nemesis character is Toyin himself, the owner of that Ligali website.
He had a personal issue that goes back a few years and the details of it shall not be divulged in a place such as this. Nevertheless he embarked on a one man crusade to get his revenge, so to speak, and look at how out of hand matters are now just because of one silly mans vengeance. Going into reality and attempting to find a little more about this person will not lead to a happy place. He has had numerous problems in the past with the law and the nature of a person such as himself is to bring down or demean someone who is actually trying to do some genuine good in the world. We have all met or known people like this.
You're lacking in your research skills. You're absolutely wrong.
I am not going anywhere, don't worry.
Oh yay :o
I will argue absolutely anything you come back with as I am the only one present here who has the truth about what is really going on.
Ask me what you will.
Again, which Native American communities are in support of what she is doing.
Whether you realise it or not, you are all benefiting from Rain Queen Mothers work. It is for all humanity. You will never understand that until you go and see for yourself.
Your laptops will get you nowhere so stop wasting your time.
Again, I have no reason to participate in pay-to-pray. To be telling the indigenous people here and the people here who are allies to participate in something that is not theirs, forsaking their own traditions is COLONIAL.
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Nothing soul soothing about such a depletion of savings. Just unplug your phone & switch off your TV for 24 hours and see the good it does your soul.
The above were words of wisdom from someone who had posted on the link Ingeborg posted.
http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/life/ten-trips-save-your-soul-581368
James, we have copied things directly from her own site (whatever her name is), so quit with the laying of blame.
I am pretty sure you are incorrect about Nemesis. She has not posted for several years, but this is her introduction in 2009:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2521.msg21044#msg21044
I'm an English woman, blonde, pale skinned and I live in London UK
I just dropped in to say hello and to thank you for your important website.
I hate, and I mean I loathe, abusive cults and criminals who use new age quasi-mystical bulltish to manipulate, abuse and control vulnerable people.
I am not an authority on such groups but, as a result of obsessively stalking some of them over the www, I know a lot more than the average Joe on the street.
I originally trained as a therapist (psychoanalytic / psychodynamic) and have some experience of working with vulnerable adolescents who are the victims and survivors of multi-generational emotional trauma resulting from enslavement / oppression / racism / genocide.
Unfortunately it is exactly these people who some criminals are targeting and abusing.
I admire what you are doing here. It is really important on so many levels.
My main interest at the moment is the use of traditional plant ethnogens and religious ceremonies when used by criminal groups to control vulnerable people. Unfortunately this happening on quite a large scale in Europe and is something that law enforcement agencies have yet to wake up to.
I have some sensitive information re this that I think was a little too delicate to post here, but I have send to one of the admin here for his perusal so he can decide what action, if any, to take.
I wish you all the best with your important work and send you all good wishes from across the pond.
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Bring your elders before her and they will recognise who she is, don't you worry about that.
Do you personally know Toyin?
No need to get your money out my friend, stop making excuses.
Yes, all the negative material being posted about her is a giant fabrication. That's how far some people will go.
Seriously you guys are so naive!! Nemesis was Toyins DJ name. You don't think he could turn up online posing as a white woman?
This is all hot air and absolute nonsense.
Get into reality and stop slandering those you know nothing about.
It's cruel.
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Bring your elders before her and they will recognise who she is, don't you worry about that.
You're either extremely ignorant or full of yourself to think that they would.
Do you personally know Toyin?
No idea who that is.
No need to get your money out my friend, stop making excuses.
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Yes, all the negative material being posted about her is a giant fabrication. That's how far some people will go.
Some of the information is from her very own sites.
Seriously you guys are so naive!! Nemesis was Toyins DJ name. You don't think he could turn up online posing as a white woman?
Um no, you're wrong. Some of our friends who live in England have met nemesis in person. She is not a man nor is she or has she ever been a DJ.
This is all hot air and absolute nonsense.
Yes, you're right. I do wish you would stop. You are making yourself look foolish.
Get into reality and stop slandering those you know nothing about.
It's cruel.
She is taking advantage of people and ceremony. She is simply being exposed.
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Ok.
Have any of you actually ever met Rain Queen Mother?
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James contacted me perhaps a week ago, saying similar things in some ways, but writing very differently in others.
He insisted that the whole thread is slanderous and it be taken down, no explanation given. But when I asked for proof why, he gave me the same story about Nemesis. I urged him to come here and give evidence and information that she is not a fraud.
Instead, James, what you are doing is arguing for argument's sake. Worse, sometimes you are arrogantly presuming to lecture Native people about Native cultures. So far I've seen very little evidence.
So let's try again. The only thing useful that you've said so far is you are deeply involved in RQM's inner circle, one of her top people. That's one useful piece of information.
How about something else? Can you answer:
What evidence is there that she is who she claims she is? What African communities claim her?
Why is she involved with a number of pay to pray operators, such as those selling ayahuasca?
Why is she herself involved in pay to pray?
And as for the claims about Nemesis, I should point out two obvious things, one that's already been said. Most of the evidence vs RQM comes from her own website, not Nemesis.
Another member of RQM's circle contacted me many times years ago, when this thread was last active. She said she was a woman of African descent living in England. I'm sorry but I don't remember her name. She went to the trouble of tracking down my cell number. That in itself shows a bit of fanaticism, and many would call that an attempt at intimidation.
She called me repeatedly, never talking for less than an hour each time, saying the same points you have. And much like you have, she would harp on the same points and argue for argument's sake. The only reason I didn't hang up on her, much like we are trying to give you a chance to make your case, is:
We want to be sure about the information we post online.
And once in awhile, once we sort through the argumentativeness, both you and she did actually give some information.
So I hope you will set aside your combativeness. It does no one any good. Can you instead answer the questions above?
A final point: It does not matter if someone met RQM. Your crazy standard on that means no one could ever write about an abuser if they had not personally met them. It's nonsense, and close to spamming or trolling.
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Hey there, Mr. Colonial Man.
I get this feeling you're itching to plant the English flag and screech, "I claim this forum for the British Empire!!! God Save the Queen!!! Bow before me, savages!!!!"
Really, you could learn a bit of subtlety, and respect. You could read this forum before bellowing ignorance at us.
You seem to me to be a young, English musician who likes drugs and drug trips. You show no awareness of, or compassion for, the people of the cultures who are being decimated by crass consumers like yourself. Continuing to steal, and playing Native, does not stop the English colonial mindset; it perpetuates it. Just in more "exotic" drag.
I guess you were looking for a new momma, and somehow a crazy woman who gives you drugs and lies to you seemed like a good choice. I suggest you look into that and stop insulting the good people here.
Cheers!
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P.S. James, Are you still paying her? Or are you now getting a cut of what she takes from the marks?
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Ah finally somebody with some sense.
Hello Mr Carroll.
I sent you anther email just yesterday, maybe you haven't opened it yet.
As mentioned I would rather rectify this outside of the forum as I knew people would be behaving in this way. I am not being combative, just professional. I don't mean to sound condescending but it is the simple truth that nobody on here has any idea what Rain Queen Mother is really about, so they have no authority to speak on the matter.
There is nothing wrong with her websites, it is not my fault that some people may not understand or appreciate them. I refer to the negative posts by mostly nemesis, who is absolutely Toyin, the owner of Ligali. Anyone who does not know Toyin, has no idea what is going in here. He started all this.
Just to be clear, I am simply a friend of Rains. A friend helping out a friend. That is probably hard for some on here to understand.
Meeting her is extremely important if you wish to know more about her. The basis for all points made here is disinformation and propaganda. A technique used for centuries.
So are you purporting that the use of ayahuasca is not acceptable?
I will find out more with regards the evidence you have requested.
Thanks
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Also it would help a great deal if people were not to use such terms as:
Pay for pray
Inner circles
One of her top people
Shame on
Cult
Etc etc
If you all take a closer look at your own shortcomings instead of pointing the finger at others then you would get further in life.
All these terms are derogatory and unhelpful.
Rain does not have the facilities, time or mindset to run the kind of sham you are dreaming up.
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Also it would help a great deal if people were not to use such terms as:
Pay for pray
Inner circles
One of her top people
Shame on
Cult
Etc etc
Please show us that these are not appropriate tags.
If you all take a closer look at your own shortcomings instead of pointing the finger at others then you would get further in life.
Were you ever taught manners?
All these terms are derogatory and unhelpful.
Rain does have the facilities, time or mindset to run the kind of sham you are dreaming up.
And what of your derogatory conduct here? I'm glad you're at least willing to admit that she has the facilities, time and mindset to run a sham.
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Yes sorry I am very busy and do not really have the time to engage all of you in this fantasy world you are dreaming up in cyberspace, that's why I'm rushing and hence the typos.
I will deal with Mr Carroll directly and get this sorted out.
I appreciate your time but this is going nowhere.
Rain does not have the capability for any of this. With that in mind, your manners are appalling.
Good luck with that.
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This was to be expected I suppose..
Sturmboe, please do not mix science and spirituality. It won't work. There is too much that science does not see, and if you knew a bit more about what science as we know it really is then you may would begin to understand a little more. Nobody here is abusing ayahuasca. If a Queen Mother is not qualified to perform a sacred ceremony, then please who is?
Tell me, why are you so fixed on Ayahuasca.
I don´t see medicine just from the point of science. I see the people behind who are using medicine and what is happening to them. With Ayahuasca not, because I don´t know this. But other medicine which can be used as medicine because it is necessary and also uesd in this way: abused as a drug.
You post just to confirm what you expected. Is this your way of conversation where the result is fixed? It is this way you never ask yourself, if this, what you are doing hurts other people, indigene who try to keep alive their traditional way?
You expect respect from us in a way there is not a bit respect possible, if we won´t accept your sight. I got the feeling, you offer a one-way road, and you set the terms.
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Are you asserting that Rain has not been initiated by the indigenous of South America to use ayahuasca properly?
I'm sorry I cannot quite make sense of what you are saying.
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again this man is too funny another whiteman tell us Native what is right and what is wrong >:(
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I doubt the way she is working is ok. But this is a point traditional healers can talk about.
When I see this page I feel unwell ...
http://www.herbalandwellbeingsanctuary.com/iboga_for_physical_and%20spiritual_healing.html
What do you experienced by this medicine, you are fixed on it. Is there no doubt - nevertheless?
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I refer to the negative posts by mostly nemesis, who is absolutely Toyin, the owner of Ligali. Anyone who does not know Toyin, has no idea what is going in here. He started all this.
You have insisted over and over that Nemesis is Toyin. Anyone who is familiar at all with this forum know that they are not the same person.
Just for the record, this is who James claims Nemesis is (Toyin Agbetu). Maybe Toyin will come on board and speak for himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyin_Agbetu
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From one of the past websites https://web.archive.org/web/20111220134823/http://www.ibogabeautiful.com/index.html# (https://web.archive.org/web/20111220134823/http://www.ibogabeautiful.com/index.html#)
About the Founder of the Iboga Beautiful Healing Programme
The Founder of Iboga Beautiful was born with an inner healing light that gives her the ability to pass light on to others when she cleanses and heals them. During a healing journey to Gabon she worked with a Shaman Pygmy King and discovered the sacred medicine of Iboga and was astonished at its ability to cleanse, heal and rejuvenate the visage when it is prescribed by the right Healer with the proper healing gifts and abilities. After being told to go back and work with Iboga she received a request to appear in a feature from the beauty department of Tatler Magazine. It was after this that she was inspired to create the Iboga Beautiful Programme. Her own visage is a perfect example of how doing one's inner work is the key to looking youthful.
The Discovery of Iboga in the Garden of Eden
Iboga is not a makeup and neither is it a beauty cream – it is magical powder that is made from a sacred root bark that grows in the Equatorial Rainforests of Gabon, Cameroon and the Congo. Iboga was first discovered by the Babongo Pygmy tribe, who were some of the first human inhabitants of planet earth. According to Pygmy legend, Iboga is said to be the forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden. They called it the Tree of Knowledge or the Tree of Eternity and the Pygmy say that this Sacred Tree is the Guardian to the Secrets of Immortality.
Iboga Beautiful Detoxification
Iboga also happens to be one of the most powerful detoxifying herbs in the world. It has the ability to remove heavy metals, unwanted chemicals and drug addictions from the skin, the blood, the cells and your bones. It also removes the deep emotional and psychological blockages that we have carried around in our minds for years. Iboga is a visionary teaching and healing plant medicine with the ability to teach us and show us what is important in life, and what we need to eliminate out of our life in order to restore back our happiness and youthfulness.
Iboga is serious stuff, a psychedelic, and there are reports of fatalities caused by use.
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What is this fascination white people have with the idea of "cleanses" and "detoxification"?
Whether it's drug trips or pretendian sweats, they really misunderstand what is and isn't ceremonial purification, and what the purposes of these things actually are.
It's especially ridiculous as so many of the same people spend 99% of their time poisoning themselves with alcohol and other harmful chemicals, then think a weekend retreat will reverse it all. They could just live a cleaner, sober life to start with. But they don't want that. They want to party. I think it's like some Catholics view the confession as an excuse to misbehave all week, and then get forgiven on Sunday. It's absurd.
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Autumn, how do you know that?
Again you are just basing your reality entirely in cyberspace.
Have you even met Toyin?
Do you not realise that Toyin has created so many aliases, some of which have been set up solely to for the purpose of claiming that they have met nemesis, 'the white woman', to back up the idea that she exists?
The man is a lunatic, and do you think if he actually appears online he will admit to all of this?
I don't think so.
What is clear to me is that nobody on here is interested in truth at all. They would rather reside in the fantasy world that the internet perpetuates, where claims and ideas can be supported only by copied and pasted links from God knows where.
I myself am more into reality, action and experience.
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LOL! You are a kid, James the Colonial. You are lost in illusion. You are full of obscene amounts of privilege, consumerism and racism. You are full of projection. You pick up your laptop to scream at others for having computers. You accuse others of only living on the Internet, which is not true of any of us, yet you are the one who won't shut up, who won't put your keyboard down long enough to take in anything about the cultures your heroine is damaging.
You are absurd and obscene, Mr Marxe the Colonial Racist.
Quit telling lies about people YOU have never met. People here know Nemesis in person. There is no doubt about her identity. You are the one who is making absurd conclusions based on inadequate information, and attempting to use our forum to attack people we've never even heard of.
I strongly suggest that, since Mr. Colonial is just repeating himself now, and has never answered the most basic questions posed to him by actual elders, that if he continues to attack people who have nothing to do with this issue (the man he is fixated on and stupidly believes to be Nemesis) that we remove his ability to post. He's just trolling now. He's a waste of our time.
Yes sorry I am very busy and do not really have the time to engage all of you in this fantasy world you are dreaming up in cyberspace, that's why I'm rushing and hence the typos.
I will deal with Mr Carroll directly and get this sorted out.
I appreciate your time but this is going nowhere.
Rain does not have the capability for any of this. With that in mind, your manners are appalling.
Good luck with that.
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What is this fascination white people have with the idea of "cleanses" and "detoxification"?
Whether it's drug trips or pretendian sweats, they really misunderstand what is and isn't ceremonial purification, and what the purposes of these things actually are.
It's especially ridiculous as so many of the same people spend 99% of their time poisoning themselves with alcohol and other harmful chemicals, then think a weekend retreat will reverse it all. They could just live a cleaner, sober life to start with. But they don't want that. They want to party. I think it's like some Catholics view the confession as an excuse to misbehave all week, and then get forgiven on Sunday. It's absurd.
The detox scam is a great money maker, because it can be run indefinitely, it can always be claimed that someone has more they need to get clean of. And unfortunately this can also trigger some people's compulsive nature, along with their belief that they were born with sin/toxins and must work valiantly to get clean.
Any product or service with the words “detox” or “cleanse” in the name is only truly effective at cleansing your wallet of cash. Alternative medicine’s ideas of detoxification and cleansing have no basis in reality. There’s no published evidence to suggest that detox treatments, kits or rituals have any effect on our body’s ability to eliminate waste products effectively. They do have the ability to harm however – not only direct effects, like coffee enemas and purgatives, but the broader distraction away from the reality of how the body actually works and what we need to do to keep it healthy. “Detox” focuses attention on irrelevant issues, and gives consumers the impression that they can undo lifestyle decisions with quick fixes.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/ (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/)
Compulsive desire to get "clean" + fascination with "the other" = prime target for nuage shameons.
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Autumn, how do you know that?
Again you are just basing your reality entirely in cyberspace.
Have you even met Toyin?
Do you not realise that Toyin has created so many aliases, some of which have been set up solely to for the purpose of claiming that they have met nemesis, 'the white woman', to back up the idea that she exists?
The man is a lunatic, and do you think if he actually appears online he will admit to all of this?
I don't think so.
What is clear to me is that nobody on here is interested in truth at all. They would rather reside in the fantasy world that the internet perpetuates, where claims and ideas can be supported only by copied and pasted links from God knows where.
I myself am more into reality, action and experience.
James we know people who have met nemesis in person. I already said that. She is, without a doubt, a white female. We know the people who have met her, know them know them, not just cyber interactions. You are the one in the fantasy world. You keep bringing that phrase up, why is that?
Many people here are activists in the real world. We are more than familiar with reality, action and experience.
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Bring her before us then.
I don't trust a single word anybody on here says.
How can you expect me to when you all behave like you know everything about RQM when none of you have even met her and are completely wrong about her.
This is all very, very suspicious to me.
I can't make sense of it and any readers who are not subscribed to this forum would see it that way also.
You should think about that..
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Bring her before us then.
Is this your royal decree?
James, I hope you eventually understand the conversation here. I hope you eventually understand how colonial and privileged you are behaving. I hope you then choose to do something else.
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Autumn, how do you know that?
Again you are just basing your reality entirely in cyberspace.
Have you even met Toyin?
Do you not realise that Toyin has created so many aliases, some of which have been set up solely to for the purpose of claiming that they have met nemesis, 'the white woman', to back up the idea that she exists?
The man is a lunatic, and do you think if he actually appears online he will admit to all of this?
I don't think so.
What is clear to me is that nobody on here is interested in truth at all. They would rather reside in the fantasy world that the internet perpetuates, where claims and ideas can be supported only by copied and pasted links from God knows where.
I myself am more into reality, action and experience.
No, it is clear that you are in the fantasy world.
The Nemesis on this forum has posted on many, many threads and, as I said before, it is clear that it is not the same person that you claim it is.
Also, the Nemesis we know on this site introduced herself in 2009. So you are saying that Toyin planned that far ahead, under an assumed personality, so that he could solely come on here and bring attention to Rain Queen Mother, a thread started in 2010?
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James, you may consider Toyin Agbetu your own personal "nemesis" - as in "an opponent or enemy that is very difficult to defeat". But as has already been stated here several times, your personal nemesis is not here on this forum.
I'll state the obvious - the word "nemesis" is not an uncommon word, and not only one person uses it.
Toyin Agbetu himself has many creative names in the music business, which is normal http://www.discogs.com/artist/701534-Toyin-Agbetu (http://www.discogs.com/artist/701534-Toyin-Agbetu)
We have serious questions here about Rain Queen Mother. Any help you can give us on finding answers is appreciated. I understand you don't like how we are phrasing the questions, you don't like what we are saying, how we are saying it. I encourage you to get past that.
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That's pretty outrageous Mr. Marxe, and an outright threat. You ask us to track down a woman so you and your little circle can tear into her in person the way you've come at all of us. Not a chance in hell we would do that. We take pride in sheltering people from abuse.
We ask you for evidence and to quit spamming, being arrogant, and abusive. And you go on to spam half a dozen more times, show no evidence, and get even more arrogant and abusive.
Below is the email sent me. As we can all see, it does nothing but make more demands plus some silly empty threats.
So much for RQM's sooper spirchul pose, and yours. We get empty legal threats all the time. All this did was confirm you and she are exactly what we have always said.
I'll try one last time to get through your very thick and arrogant head. Nemesis is not only not the person you believe her to be. She did not even start the thread. Another person did, a longtime NAFPS member here years before Nemesis. And almost all the posts in this thread are from other people, and the information from RQM's own websites.
Nemesis is also an absurdly common nickname, both online and among DJs. And Nemesis posted over 70 times, only 4 of them in this thread. Your paranoia about her is delusional.
You have provided no evidence, just spamming, here and in your emails. You won't be allowed to spam or be abusive anymore. You won't be allowed to post until you provide evidence that RQM is what she claims.
You can still login and send IMs to the mods. Do so, or email me actual evidence. Facts, not hysteria, not paranoia, not condescension, and not empty threats. If you do so, we'd be happy to left the ban and actually discuss this with you.
Discuss, that means listening more than being in love with the sound of your own voice. That means actually answering what people ask, and not simply scoring points in your own How Rude Can I Be online game.
Here's the fact free email Mr. Marxe sent with silly threats, plus ignorance of the law. There's no personal information on RQM in this thread, so the law doesn't even apply. Anything else he sends will be posted also.
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The Sanctuary or Rain does not work in the way being portrayed whatsoever, I can promise you that.
It is easy to see that 'nemesis' is on a one man mission to slander and damage Rains reputation, as he is the one leaving most of the posts, in that dry, cynical tone.
I have contacted Google directly and filed the complaint, so the thread will eventually disappear from the searches all together, under the new 'right to be forgotten' legislation brought in by the EU just recently. Google have been asking if I have been in communication with the webmaster and I told them yes. I'm sure they will be in contact with you shortly.
Our solicitors have also been instructed to begin the small claims procedure as there are damages to be considered here. Anyone who wishes to find out more about the Herbal Wellbeing Sanctuary or Rain Queen Mother is immediately directed to this nonsense and as you can imagine, not impressed.
Nemesis is 'trolling', and as this kind of thing is becoming more common, more ways are being developed to rectify and prevent it.
Most of the time, simple communication between two reasonable parties is enough to out matters to rest.
What would you accept as evidence that the information is not true? Does Nemesis support his claims with any evidence?
I'm sure you understand our position, please let us know yours.
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Bring her before us then.
Is this your royal decree?
James, I hope you eventually understand the conversation here. I hope you eventually understand how colonial and privileged you are behaving. I hope you then choose to do something else.
(http://www.daisyrooandtwo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/alice-red-queen.jpg)
All hail Queen James.
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Actually quoting Queen James':
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I have contacted Google directly and filed the complaint, so the thread will eventually disappear from the searches all together, under the new 'right to be forgotten' legislation brought in by the EU just recently. Google have been asking if I have been in communication with the webmaster and I told them yes. I'm sure they will be in contact with you shortly.
Our solicitors have also been instructed to begin the small claims procedure as there are damages to be considered here. Anyone who wishes to find out more about the Herbal Wellbeing Sanctuary or Rain Queen Mother is immediately directed to this nonsense and as you can imagine, not impressed.
So James, or probably Her Royal Pain (if they don't happen to be one and the same person), will try and use the 'right to be forgotten' to censor information educating the public that a) Rain Queen is still in business, that b) this business happens to be fleecing people, that c) she has been operating under a multitude of names and titles, and that d) there is valid criticism of what she does and claims. Quite incidentially, the law has been passed to protect private persons - it was not passed to protect criminals and their activities.
And even demanding damages - we're already shaking in our boots. With laughter!
Just imagining a judge hearing that such and such an amount is asked for lack of bookings of Ayahuasca weekend events at US$ 890 ! You know, I'm a psychic --- I can already foresee a few questions followin such an announcement, by the judge, by the Crown Prosecutor, by any lawyer representing NAFPS....
Next thing we know is the Union of Honourable Burglars sueing alarm device manufacturers for damages. ;D
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I could be wrong, but I think James misunderstands what the "right to be forgotten" law is all about. Also, even if this thread did not show up in searches, it would still remain on this forum.
The right to be forgotten "reflects the claim of an individual to have certain data deleted so that third persons can no longer trace them."[10]:121 It has been defined as "the right to silence on past events in life that are no longer occurring."[11] The right to be forgotten leads to allowing individuals to have information, videos or photographs about themselves deleted from certain internet records so that they cannot be found by search engines.[10] As of 2014 there are few protections against the harm that incidents such as revenge porn sharing, or pictures uploaded due to poor judgement, can do.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten
So, I am wondering what "silence on past events in life that are no longer occurring" he thinks Google will be removing from searches for Rain? To me, that sort of implies guilt of some kind so that she can get a "fresh start".
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Bring her before us then.
Is this your royal decree?
James, I hope you eventually understand the conversation here. I hope you eventually understand how colonial and privileged you are behaving. I hope you then choose to do something else.
(http://www.daisyrooandtwo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/alice-red-queen.jpg)
All hail Queen James.
Yes, Alice in Wonderland!! Down the rabbit hole. :D :D So appropriate for someone who lives in fantasy land.
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Marxe, you didn´t answer me, maybe you could not understand my question or could not see, that I mean this seriously.
I make my thoughts on my own, maybe they are right for some people, maybe not.
People talk about spirituality, to get a better understanding what is behind the surface. But what is spirituality? It is not just a connection to the spirits in the surrounding, it is also a way to oneself who he is and the reason why. The other aspect therfore is people try to find a way to understand themselves better.
Ayahuasca got an effect like LSD. Today there are people with medical professions who are sad about they are not allowed to use LSD in Psychotherapies, they tell, LSD would help to come to a result much faster than just a normal therapy, the therapy which open what is covered in the inner of a patient.
What could happen with LSD and other medcine is something i doubt if this would be good for the patient. I try to explain.
If a patient got mental issues for the events which happened, Ayahuasca could open the patient and these events will come up to the surface, in the consciousness. The patient reflects, "there were events which hurts." Some patients dissociate this events so they really cannot remember, there is just the feeling: "Something is going wrong". They see nothing more than this. What was / is wrong, they pushed behind a wall, because they do not want to be in contact with that what hurts, they know it could let them break down (decompensate), also this they dissociate one day.
Would it be ok, to tear down this wall? I don´t think so. If patients make a psychotherapy first they learn to use their resources and skills to stand by the situation they will confrontate, with this what happened. If they confrontate the events, often in fractions, patients must bear this. This therapy will be in little steps. And a patient must be able to stop the situation in the confrontation, sometime the psychotherapist stop it. This is just possible, if the patient is clean, stabilized and is in his fully conscious
If Ayahuasca break down the wall which protected, the patient had to confrontate too much and cannot stand by this. The possible way he can walk is to dissociate. Is this feeling to be open for spirituality, the way to find to oneself, is this the true way or is it dissociating? In this way a patient cannot work with himself. with the events, he cannot really uses resources and skills in an effective way to bear the confrontation.
For this reason I doubt this kind of medicine helps, it is the same with rebirthing and for e. g. other therapies treating with hyperventilation. If I look behind the effects of some therapies I really doubt it helps.
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wow this young man is total lost, i ask question and not one is answered,
as Native I know that one person cant make a person a healer and they can not
become a healer without years of training, then they have to be accepted by the community.
There has been NO ONE THAT is a real native who made someone a SHAMAN to go help the world.
They would ask you to help the community. Then they could not accept money for their services.
They do not offer workshops, then we see the abuse of drugs that tells me that this is an
instance gratification of drug addicts.
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Marxe sent another looooong ranting email. He absolutely refuses to answer any questions and is convinced he "won" and that every last person who saw the thread agrees with that.
He goes onto say that every last village worldwide recognizes RQM as their elder, African, Native, you name it. But he won't name RQM's alleged village of origin.
He did claim he made the offer to all of us in here to go to Africa and see for ourselves. Add it to his list of self delusions.
And one final amusing bit. He compared himself to Mahatma Gandhi. Really...
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oh ;D
too much drugs
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He took too much, much too much....
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When you go to see Rain Queen you are expected to sit upright unless she tells you differently. She, however, may be lying down "because of the negative Karma she has taken on to herself from her client".
You are expected to vomit and/or have diarrhea at least once during a ceremony.
"During your Ceremony please refer to Rain Queen Mother, using her full title."
For more RQM goodness: https://web.archive.org/web/20100428233832/http://www.raisingthedivinefeminine.com/rain_queen_mother_ceremony_protocols.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20100428233832/http://www.raisingthedivinefeminine.com/rain_queen_mother_ceremony_protocols.html)
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If she has traditions from Africa (I don't think she's from Africa at all), why is she doing pretendian stuff with sage and eagle feathers? I think she's an Englishwoman who couldn't manage to make a living in the music biz, so visited Africa and came back a newage shameon.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/a-shaman-in-sussex-rain-queen-weathers-a-drug-storm-9456557.html
"Smoke from a smouldering clump of sage wafts over an altar piled high with ceremonial gifts: eagle feathers,"
"Rain Queen attended boarding school nearby in West Sussex. After working in the music industry, she spent time in Zimbabwe – where she discovered she was related to a shaman – before returning, drawn to Ticehurst by what she terms “the Sussex connection”.
http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/life/ten-trips-save-your-soul-581368
"4. Drink Ayahuasca and detoxify: Sussex, England
(http://i.cdn.travel.cnn.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_400x267/public/2011/07/13/Ayahuasca-healer-Rain-Queen-Mother-Sussex.jpg?itok=dN2dVogU)
"Ayahuasca healer The Rain Queen Mother personalizes every detoxification.
"A potent healing medicine, made from the Ayahuasca vine and the leaf of the Chacruna plant, and collected from the jungles of the Amazon, is at the centre of this retreat. It causes purging as a means of removing toxins.
"Ayamama Rain Queen, a gifted shaman who orchestrates the safe, highly personalized, one-to-one healing retreats at the Wellbeing and Cermonial Sanctuary in England, believes Ayahuasca can enable anyone who drinks it to access higher levels of emotional intelligence and foster a deeper connection with nature.
"Not for the faint-hearted, but mind-blowing and truly transformative.
"Rates: A three-night retreat costs from US$890
"Wellbeing and Ceremonial Sanctuary; +44 (0)75 8146 2905; www.herbalandwellbeingsanctuary.com"
Looking into the real Rain Queens of Africa, they are older women who live in their communities, and observe many ritual taboos and lifestyle restrictions. They help their home, tribal communities in Africa. They don't sell drug trips to privileged white hippies in white countries. Like spiritual leaders in NDN communities, you don't go for a visit and return as Queen. I think it's very offensive for this young woman to exploit the real tribal peoples' name this way.
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One of the shamans I have had the pleasure to meet and work with is the gifted African shaman Karmaya Ayamama Rain Queen Mother. Karmaya Ayamama Rain Queen is known by her people as a "Sent One" and a "Child of the Deity". She travels the world helping to heal Mother Earth by conducting special ceremonies. In 2008 after teaching monks at the Dalai Lama Samteling Monastry in Kathmandu she was invited to meet with the Dalai Lama and was given the title Lhamo which means A woman who can talk to the Gods. During this journey she was also recognized by the Jhankri Shamans of the Tamang People of Nepal, as being a symbol of Rain that would fall down from the Stars.
http://www.camilloloken.com/en/about-camillo/my-spiritual-journey (http://www.camilloloken.com/en/about-camillo/my-spiritual-journey)
The photo is from 2012.
I sure wonder what her real name is.
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If she has traditions from Africa (I don't think she's from Africa at all), why is she doing pretendian stuff with sage and eagle feathers? I think she's an Englishwoman who couldn't manage to make a living in the music biz, so visited Africa and came back a newage shameon....
Looking into the real Rain Queens of Africa, they are older women who live in their communities, and observe many ritual taboos and lifestyle restrictions. They help their home, tribal communities in Africa. They don't sell drug trips to privileged white hippies in white countries. Like spiritual leaders in NDN communities, you don't go for a visit and return as Queen. I think it's very offensive for this young woman to exploit the real tribal peoples' name this way.
You could be right. It's obvious she doesn't practice African traditions much if at all. Look at this image of her Herbal Wellbeing Sanctuary.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142137629/Herbal-and-Wellbeing-Sanctuary-Retreat
That's a statue of Buddha and a Hindu sculpture also. The description is full of Nuage buzzwords. They also have Beltane, Jupiter, and Solstice ceremonies. it'd a hodgepodge of different elements of different faiths.
When I spoke to one of RQM's circle several years ago, she spoke with a veddy Ehng-glish ah-cent, and sounded young, in her 20s. She obviously was born or lived there most of her life. RQM attending an English boarding school...those places sure aren't cheap.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10324338/Boarding-school-fees-now-higher-than-average-salary.html
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And if she is from Africa, there is a conflict on what part of Africa she is from.
Her dad was a Ghanaian ambassador and she went to a girls' boarding school in West Sussex before getting a job in the music industry. And then, 13 years ago, she "woke up" – meaning that she found out that her great-great-great grandmother had been a revered healer in her native African village.
(My Bolding)
http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2011/aug/12/ayahuasca-detox-sussex
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2678.15
Rain Queen attended boarding school nearby in West Sussex. After working in the music industry, she spent time in Zimbabwe – where she discovered she was related to a shaman – before returning, drawn to Ticehurst by what she terms “the Sussex connection”.
(My Bolding)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/a-shaman-in-sussex-rain-queen-weathers-a-drug-storm-9456557.html
If you look at the map of Africa, you will see that Ghana and Zimbabwe are not close together at all. Ghana is on the West coast of Africa and Zimbabwe is just above South Africa and is considered to be East Africa.
So if her father is from Ghana, why did she go to Zimbabwe to discover that she was related to a shaman?
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Toyin Agbetu may not come onto this forum to speak, but he has spoken in the past on the Ligali website forum:
It is my belief that our traditional indigenous beliefs have been abused by manipulative people seeking financial gain and personal power for far too long. Not all traditional healers believe it necessary to conduct rituals of blood sacrifice for non life threatening situations, nor exploit natural herbs and in some cases attempt to impose their usage upon unwilling participants. Sadly this practice and others involving the manipulation of others for money has contributed to the continued demonisation and discrediting of those that are honest and sincere in the way they practice our spiritual traditions.
WARNING:
Please beware cults with pseudo ‘shamanic’ queen mother type leaders abusing both Ancestral wisdoms and 'indigenous ancient prophecies', puja’s and other sacred rituals and ceremonies through manipulating the spiritually vulnerable and even lowering themselves to ‘decoding’ The 2012 Hollywood movie as a means to recruit fee paying members. Truth is Truth, the choice is yours.
Please be careful and look out for family and friends seduced by cults such as this. They are very successful at preying on the vulnerable and gullible by manipulating and ruthlessly exploiting their emotional and spiritual needs.
Their primary interest is making money. They do this by charging fees for rituals, ceremonies, books, dvd/cds, retreats, teachings and repeat prescriptions. Thousands of innocent Africans have been seduced and ripped off this way. And for those who can’t fight back that number includes the thousands of families they have destroyed, the innocent children psychologically harmed, careers destroyed and almost irreparable trauma caused to themselves and other former cult members.
Please be careful, these people may seem sincere, but in Truth, they and those that blindly support them in ripping of innocent/vulnerable people are evil. Do not become one of their accomplices.
http://www.ligali.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3200&page=2#entry41476
To be honest i didn't have a bad experience with a 'spiritual group' in the way you suggest as I have never been a part of one other than Ligali. To make the distinction as you ask, there are those we can trust, indeed some of the most gifted healers I know would even be described in western terms as having 'mental health' issues, and then there are the others that are to be frank... so addicted to their own bs they are full off it.
I have had friends who have been poisoned after taking 'medication' concocted by these 'indigenous' magical sages, I have had another friend who desperate for a cure for a potentially fatal illness 'donated' a large proportion of their life savings to be healed by a plastic shaman, i know a sista who had to be rushed to hospital after an 'African mystic' almost mashed up her insides with 'traditional brews'.
My family and I have been attacked, harassed and threatened by one (or maybe two when i think hard about it) AND over the past few years i have been made aware of several and i do mean several people that have been abused, manipulated and physically, emotionally and mentally harmed by cults professing to be spiritual but in reality only interested in commodifying African spirituality by making money from endless 'lessons', 'rituals', 'ceremonies' and 'apprenticeships' or serving the ego of some self appointed egotistical leader.
Don't get me wrong. As I said, I know of (and still consult) healers who use traditional recipes for curing certain ailments in my family circle, I also know healers who provide spiritual counseling that I am comfortable enough to speak to without fear that they will betray my inner most secrets and exploit me for the purpose of making cash or personal gain.
But this thread was created not just because of my own experience, hurt and anger at spiritual hustlers preying on our community, but also because many people have since (and prior to) asked for my help or advice on this matter. For personal reasons I have kept relatively quiet and I am not wholly comfortable with that decision. The consequences can often be dangerous.
Hence the information in this thread simply represents one of the ways that I try to help others avoid going through what I and many others have had to endure by offering guidance for people (especially friends and family members) who desperately need assistance in dealing with this issue.
It may not seem so serious to you, but in my experience the trauma these cults (and some 'born again' religious churches led by charismatic charlatan pastors) cause to vulnerable people is substantive, destructive and long lasting and when examined with hindsight have very little to do with the traditional spiritual ways of our Ancestors.
There's been way too much silence on these kind of topics almost with us waiting for a panorama type program to expose it on TV, this way, if people want to trust these crooks then at least if they do it after reading these pages they do so with their eyes wide open. Sadly an option that was not there for earlier victims.
http://www.ligali.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4658
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POO NAA DOO-HAWA
Company
TRADITIONAL HONOURING SOLUTION SERVICES
Name
POO NAA DOO-HAWA
Position
director
Status
CURRENT
Occupation
TRADITIONAL MEDICINE DOCTOR
Nationality
GHANA-UK
https://opencorporates.com/officers/46297546 (https://opencorporates.com/officers/46297546)
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//compdetails (http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//compdetails)
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Raising the Divine Feminine Lecture Series
This 3-part lectures series in Los Angeles on how to prepare spiritually for 2012, will be given by the internationally recognised Healer, Teacher, Philosopher and State Diviner, Rain Queen Mother.
Lecture 1 - Tuesday 10th November 2009
'In Preparation for 2012: The Importance of Raising the Spirit of the Divine Feminine towards 2012 and beyond'.
For venue address, please call Lynne on: 1 213 368 6593.
Lecture 2 - Tuesday 17th November 2009
'In Preparation for 2012: Purifying and Healing the 7 Layers of Karma'
Venue: Lotus on the Nile Wellness Center, 4307 S.Crenshaw Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA 90008. Tel: 323 295 6887
Lecture 3 - Tuesday 24th November 2009
'In Preparation for 2012: Awakening the Realm of the Ancestors to enture the Realms of the Song of the Stars - The Importance of Performing Ascension and Memorial Rites for those who have passed away as we move towards 2012'
For venue address, please call Lynne on: 1 213 368 6593.
Rain Queen Mother has received a number of Sacred Recognitions from the world's Indigenous Medicine Elders, Diviners and Holy People;
- The Elders and Chiefs of the Dagabah people recognised her as a Rain Queen Mother and the Great, Great, Great Granddaughter of a Queen Mother who became a 'Sazumwign' – (Dagabah Mountain Deity) at the end of her life.
- Baba Sanusi Credo Mutwa recognised her as a Sent One and a Living Deity
- Mor Boon, a Buddhist Lama from the ancient Kingdom of Siam, recognised her as the spiritual cousin of Thai King Rama V.
- Don Octavio, a high Medicine Man of the Ancient Incan people recognised her as a White Virgin Mother-child from the Ocean
- She has also been recognised by Medicine people in Swaziland, China and Nepal as someone of great wisdom who has come to do an important job for the world.
The lectures form part of Rain Queen Mother's 'Raising the Divine Feminine Tour', currently in Los Angeles, and is a unique opportunity for people to hear the important and powerful messages of the world's Enlightended Ancestors to enable us all to prepare spiritually for the important Star-Shift in 2012.
http://losangeles.eventful.com/events/raising-divine-feminin-/E0-001-026223954-2@2009111119 (http://losangeles.eventful.com/events/raising-divine-feminin-/E0-001-026223954-2@2009111119)
They gave her the name "Poo Naa" which means a 'Living Human Female Treasure' – who is wealthy in Universal knowledge and is someone who is treasured for knowing and living and healing by the Laws of the Universe to a huge degree. They also told her that she was born to be a Healer; a Philosopher; a Teacher and a State Diviner.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100428233946/http://www.raisingthedivinefeminine.com/way_of_a_dagabah_rain_queen_mother.html[/url]
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Toyin Agbetu may not come onto this forum to speak, but he has spoken in the past on the Ligali website forum:
http://www.ligali.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4658
Toyin sounds like a principled and courageous guy, and I applaud him for speaking out, for helping protect his community from physical, emotional, spiritual and financial harm. I for one would welcome his participation here. Toyin, if you read this, thank you for the work you do!
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Ligali seems like a site in some ways similar to NAFPS, but also involved in many other issues. Toyin describes being actually physically attacked on the street by RQM followers here.
http://www.ligali.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3200&page=2
The same thread also talks about the now offline company Hozho Foundation she used to run, where she peddled the 2012 nonsense and made claims about Hopis and Qeros. Their youtube page is still up, nothing African on it. www.youtube.com/user/hozhofoundation
One of RQM's endorsers is Credo Mutwa, a fraud who has his own thread and once a collaborator with the apartheid regime in S Africa. Haven't found much on the others, except that same thread and Ligali talks about the alleged Buddhist endorsers were two monks named Sangbo Lama and Tsering Phuntsok, not Mor Boon. Thailand hasn't been called Siam since before WWII btw.
Most of the business sites list RQM as 44, born in 1970, and 37 when she started her business. Check Business UK lists them as having made 58,000 pounds last year (@90-100,000 dollars) but almost no profit and also lists a British woman named Marilyn Mitchell born in 1962 as also associated with the company.
Ligali also lists these defunct sites as RQM's.
http://www.avatarhealingdestinations.com/
http://singingrainforest.com/thesanctuary/index.html
http://ibogabeautiful.com/
As if it wasn't already clear enough, her claim of being recognized by all the Dagoba (no h at the end) as their elder is unlikely, since there seems to be about 95,000 of them in Ghana. http://www.ghana.gov.gh/index.php/about-ghana/regions/upper-west
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As if it wasn't already clear enough, her claim of being recognized by all the Dagoba (no h at the end) as their elder is unlikely, since there seems to be about 95,000 of them in Ghana. http://www.ghana.gov.gh/index.php/about-ghana/regions/upper-west
And that's only one part of the Dagaara who live in Ghana:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagaaba_people
This article places them in Ghana and Burkina Faso, while German WP places another part of the Dagaara in Cote d'Ivoire. Although the numbers differ substantially from the article you found - German WP mentions 700,000 to 1 million in Ghana and 410,000 in Burkina Faso (nothing specified for Cote d'Ivoire), en-WP says 700,000 in Ghana and 388,000 in Burkina Faso.
Quite incidentially, this is the same ethnic group which Malidoma and Sobonfu Somé belong to whom we got a thread on.
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Concerning Marilyn Mitchell:
06/10/2009 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, SECRETARY MARILYN MITCHELL
From a search on TRADITIONAL HONOURING SOLUTION SERVICES http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo (http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo)
In 2009 the name was changed from TRADITIONAL HONOURING SOLUTION SERVICES LIMITED
On the current appointments report generated today there is only the director listed, no other members. Director QUEEN MOTHER POO NAA DOO-HAWA, her full birthdate listed there also. No other appointments. She was appointed under that name in 2007, birthdate July 1970
Previously the director was a Ane Sosan, born September 1971. British nationality. Secretary Kwame Dallas, no birthdate or nationality listed, this is a man. That director and secretary resigned in 2007. Marilyn Mitchell was appointed secretary and then terminated in 2009.
I'll upload the documents I bought, so far I don't think they directly give us RQM's real name, but they might give us more clues.
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This site says Mitchell, Sosan, and Dallas all were with RQM for less than a year, joining her company January 2007 and all three resigning the same day in October 2007. One document does say Mitchell was fired.
https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/directors/traditional-honouring-solution-services
It sounds like they had an attack of conscience, realized she was not what she claimed and/or abusive. Dallas now works at nearby Cressy College.
Mr. Marxe sent an email admitting he lied about one thing. He is just now getting around to complaining to Google. They sent him a robo email saying they'd get back to him. I guess he thought it would be intimidating somehow to forward it to us and didn't seem to realize he'd been sent a form letter. He has since tried to join over 20 times under numerous names.
Mr. Marxe, you don't seem to realize you are not banned, just barred from spamming until you begin to act like an adult and not like a child stomping their feet.
ETA: Another email from him just now. He claims there are Ghanian lawyers working on the case demanding to know what right we have to do this. He also vows to seize the NAFPS site. How that would even work isn't clear. Until I see a lawyer's letter, I'm guessing these are imaginary lawyers.
He's even now threatening to go to the police at my university. I find that pretty amusing. What would he say? "Make your professor stop talking!" They'll regard him as a stalker.
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oh my you know we are talking truth when they start getting upset instead of proving the post rong
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Their Wellbeing Sanctuary at 2 Clare House is in a listed building in a conservation area, meaning there are extra considerations as to appearance and operation. I've looked over planning documents and discussion, all this is publicly available through the district council web site. Maybe this is just a coincidence, but you'd think eventually RQM's actual name would turn up, so far I've not seen it. Most everything is addressed to and signed by the Traditional Honouring Solution Services company.
Ane Sosan did sign an application in March 2008, so apparently she was still active then.
Looks like they do not own the building their business is in.
The .pdf titled "human body" uploaded here is interesting to look over, it gives more description of their detox claims. Also has a version of what I've read elsewhere from them, their claim that criticism or perhaps even questions equals discrimination.
The other two .pdfs have signatures from the same person, might just be a staff person.
They want international clients. If I was going to travel to the UK for this, I would want to know the names of the director and the staff people, just for starters. Wanting more information before spending $ and time isn't bad, in fact it should be encouraged.
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I have redacted this post and have added screen caps of it as we wait for a response from the actual person who's name was being used. Pertinent information has been logged. Hi James.
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Thank you for coming here and adding your account. When we get the letter it will remain confidential as requested.
The problem is, though, that we know that Nemesis is not Toyin. Several of the moderators have been in contact with her, and the two are not the same person.
Almost all of the information here is not from Nemesis either. It is from RQM's own websites, written by her or her own organization, their own words.
I hope you can you help us by telling more of what you know.
Do you know RQM's legal name? Why does she hide it?
Why is a young to slightly middle aged woman, allegedly the daughter of an ambassador who grew up away from Africa, claiming to be an African traditional elder? Why does she also claim to be an elder from Zimbabwe?
Can you confirm it was RQM's people who physically attacked Toyin, as Toyin says on the Ligali website?
Thank you for confirming RQM charges for ceremony as her websites say, including for Native ceremony.
Why would you go to an alleged African elder for Native ceremony? Do you not realize it is very dangerous, and that such ceremonies are only for certain people inside Amazonian Indian communities?
Do you know about RQM's involvement in the 2012 hoax, and claiming to teach about the Hopi and Qero?
Is she not hosting ceremonies this past year because she sells them other places, or just lack of customers?
Do you know why the three associates of RQM quit or were fired? This seems to be about the same time you quit Ligali.
I realize I'm asking a lot, and you just got here. But after Mr. Marxe's abusive harangues, childishness, and demands and threats, your first post is quite a difference.
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Hi Emma,
I was wondering why you think our nemesis is your ex? One would assume that if you had been in a relationship with Mr Agbetu that you would recognize his writing style. Also, could you please explain why Mr Agbetu would have gone through the effort of making more posts on other threads than the two on RQM, and joining the forum prior to the fall out between the two of you? That seems a little, oh, I don't know, far fetched? Perhaps in the hours you have spent perusing this thread, staring at nemesis' profile and reading her other posts you missed the part where I mentioned we know nemesis. We know people who have met her in person, people that we introduced her to. The person who met her in an indigenous ex-pat who has no reason to be involved with some bizarre conspiracy.
Sky
eta - I also need to mention that spending significant time staring at nemesis' profile seems a bit stalkerish. It also seems rather creepy that you and Mr. Marxe tend to be on at the same time quite often.
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Hi Emma,
I was wondering why you think our nemesis is your ex? One would assume that if you had been in a relationship with Mr Agbetu that you would recognize his writing style. Also, could you please explain why Mr Agbetu would have gone through the effort of making more posts on other threads than the two on RQM, and joining the forum prior to the fall out between the two of you? That seems a little, oh, I don't know, far fetched? Perhaps in the hours you have spent perusing this thread, staring at nemesis' profile and reading her other posts you missed the part where I mentioned we know nemesis. We know people who have met her in person, people that we introduced her to. The person who met her in an indigenous ex-pat who has no reason to be involved with some bizarre conspiracy.
Sky
eta - I also need to mention that spending significant time staring at nemesis' profile seems a bit stalkerish. It also seems rather creepy that you and Mr. Marxe tend to be on at the same time quite often.
My head hurts from all this intrigue! I noticed Emma Pierre's name on the forum for quite a while before she posted and it also seemed that James Marxe was on almost every time I checked.
It seems that the main purpose of her post was to apologize to RQM and the only reason why that would be beneficial right now is simply to show her support for RQM.
I wonder why Emma and James did not check out Nemesis' profile before they started making accusations? Or maybe they have come to a conclusion and realize their mistake and an apology is forthcoming?
I have read Emma's post a few times and I seem to be baffled more and more each time I read it and I can't help wondering if this is not a ruse and that a real person named Emma Pierre-Joseph is not related to the poster at all. It would be very easy to set up a false profile as they accuse Toyin of doing.
I apologise to the monks who are real. I have personally met them and Rain Queen Mother paid for their flights and helped them to get political exile in France because they were suffering so much in Nepal under the Chinese régime.
Chinese regime in Nepal? What Chinese regime? Does she mean the communist party during the ten year civil war? And if the monks were persecuted during that time, were they the only two monks being persecuted and the only ones she helped escape into political exile in France?
A monarchy throughout most of its history, Nepal was ruled by the Shah dynasty of kings from 1768,[1] when Prithvi Narayan Shah unified its many small kingdoms, until 2008; a decade-long Civil War involving the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) (now known as the Unified Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)) and several weeks of mass protests by all major political parties led to the 12-point agreement[14] of 22 November 2005. The ensuing elections for the constituent assembly on 28 May 2008 overwhelmingly favored the abolition of the monarchy and the establishment of a federal multiparty representative democratic republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal
Whilst all Indigenous Peoples have the right to protest about people exploiting and misappropriating their culture and their traditions, Rain Queen Mothers Title is not an online title but one that comes from a real village and a real tribe in Africa and speculation as to whether it is real can only be obtained by going to and speaking with the elders and the chiefs who gave it to her. I believe that Mr Marxe who seems to have angered many people on this forum was trying to confirm that he has been to the village and met with Rain Queen Mother’s Elders and therefore can confirm that the title is real and not false.
RQM has certainly not been shy about listing her various titles online (which seems to change as time goes by) and I don't recall Mr. Marxe saying that he had met with RQM's elders.
Given that the Herbal Sanctuary is not based in the US where the forum seems to originate, and given that Rain Queen Mother is from Africa, she is initiated into the rules of African Traditional Medicine.
If she is "initiated into the rules of African Traditional Medicine" then why is she living in an English town and catering to a mostly white clientele? Why is she not living in Africa to serve her community?
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Emma Pierre-Joseph is welcome to come here and speak. Hopefully she will do so soon. In the meantime, I enjoyed this article she authored: http://www.ligali.org/article.php?id=630
Shame on on you, Mr. Marxe for impersonating and libelling this woman.
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oh my you know we are talking truth when they start getting upset instead of proving the post wrong
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Wow, totally different writing. The fake "emmapierre" was barely coherant and gave me a headache. The reall Emma Pierre-Joseph writes beautifully.
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She's made HIV healing claims in the past.
Kumu Bagh’bora Poo Naa Since my initiation sickness’ that began during my first Saturn Return, 10 years ago I have performed many ceremonies for those similar to what Korean Medicine Women call Kut. Through these ceremonies – after several years I was given by my Ancestors - what we call in my tradition the Chiefs Medicine to help people with HIV.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071028012457/http://www.soga-del-alma.org/ConferenceSite/curanderos_poonaa.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20071028012457/http://www.soga-del-alma.org/ConferenceSite/curanderos_poonaa.html)
On a 2004 event notice she claimed she specialized in HIV/AIDS as a traditional healer. She used the name/titles POO Naa Kahnyisa Some-FU-SunPoo Naa
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/37448628/PC-Sept-2004-W-Q5 (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/37448628/PC-Sept-2004-W-Q5)
I AM AN INDIGENOUS DAGARA PERSON FROM WEST AFRICA AND I HAVE SPENT TIME WORKING ON HIV PROJECT IN NAVAJO
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE
YAATEH
POO NAA
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/indigenous_peoples_literature/conversations/topics/19105 (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/indigenous_peoples_literature/conversations/topics/19105)
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ETA: Facebook just reported to me someone trying to hack into my account from England, not far from where RQM's circle is based. It seems unlikely to me to be coincidence. I urge everyone who commented in this thread to be extra cautious. Seems like they are getting extra vicious.
The person who claimed to be Emma Pierre was supposed to speak with me by Skype today. Three times I tried to get hold of them, and set up a time to talk. (I'm using "they or "them" not knowing if the person is male or female, or several people carrying out an impersonation.)
The first time, a Sunday, was said to be her work time. The other two times, a no show. I've given up. There were also several emails. These emails insisted first that she would prove she truly is Emma Pierre, even show her passport. Then they also said they would not be talking about RQM at all. They only wanted to prove their ID and talk about Toyin. I pointed out Toyin has little relevance to the thread, and asked one last time to try to Skype today. No answer, and a no show on Skype.
I did promise confidentiality on their emails, and we never break confidence, even if others don't live up to their word. Most of it was irrelevant to the thread. Here's my email response to either Emma, or the
person(s) saying they are Emma.
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There's not much in your emails that has much relevance to anything in the thread. They will be confidential. In our entire time we have never broken confidence.
Almost all your emails are simply insisting Toyin is nemesis. This we know to not be true. Several mods spoke to nemesis. An insistence the writing styles seem familiar to you is not proof.
I'm also not sure what to make of your own changing writing styles. Your emails are very different from your online post. Both sound very coached, like they were written by cutting and pasting portions of legal docs. But the one online sounds very fragile, with a lot of the victim blaming herself. That sets off alarms for people who deal with cult survivors constantly as we do at nafps.
I'm still willing to Skype you to confirm your identity. Can we try for Wednesday about the same time?
Al
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We're still left with the same unanswered questions. What is RQM's actual name? Why does she hide it? Why would Africans do a very dangerous knockoff of Amazon Indians ayahuasca ceremony, as well as elements of Hinduism and Buddhism and Euro paganism and the 2012 hoax? Why have three officers left or been fired from her organization? Why would a young woman raised away from traditions claim to be an elder, and also claim to be an elder from two nations on opposite sides of Africa?
And the alleged elders who recognize her and alleged lawyers from Ghana out to seize NAFPS have yet to be seen or heard from, if they exist at all.