Author Topic: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma  (Read 39553 times)

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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2010, 11:41:06 pm »
Gypsy is a slur, the Rroma culture do not use it to describe themselves.
Celtic is a term that has no bearing in a serious anthropology or cultural setting, as it refers to a grouping of languages that share a common ancestry (P-Celtic {Breton, Welsh, etc} and Q-Celtic {Irish, Scots Gaelic, Manx}). So, because I don't know what she's talking about, I can't really outright say "on this front she is a fraud", she may be attempting to make communication easier. I, personally, detest people using the term "celtic" because it implies that several very seperate and different cultures are similar or the same, which is just not the case, and I believe that it's intellectually dishonest but I'm not certain that saying "this person fails to match my standards for integrity, therefore they are a fraud."
I would be only too glad to get in touch with them and ask. I have kinda a history of doing things like that.
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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2010, 02:42:13 pm »
Gypsy is a slur, the Rroma culture do not use it to describe themselves.

Although this is true, many gadje (non-Roma) don't know what Roma call themselves. We've got a few Rom persons in Europe doing palmistry and such, and they tend to call themselves 'gipsies' so that the clientele they're aiming at will know what they are. (As an aside, palmistry is no genuine 'gypsy' lore and only practiced on 'gadje' clients, nothing that Roma will do for another Rom.)

However, the European Roma have been christianized long ago, and they had no 'shamans' traditionally. From the excerpt from Wahls' site we learn:

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She learned from her grandmother who learned from her grandmother back four hundred years to the country of the Ukraine before Christianity.

Ahem. This smells of someone not knowing their behind from a hole in the ground in various respects. So it was only fourhundred years ago that Ukraina became xtian? She must be joking!



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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2010, 01:35:48 am »
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She learned from her grandmother who learned from her grandmother back four hundred years to the country of the Ukraine before Christianity.

Ahem. This smells of someone not knowing their behind from a hole in the ground in various respects. So it was only fourhundred years ago that Ukraina became xtian? She must be joking!

Actually, no, not a joke.  It is possible.

Remember that in 1360 the Turks began to expand their holdings.  By 1453 they had captured Constantinople.  In 1648 the Turks had all of North Africa, the Levant, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, Greece, all the Balkans, part of Austria, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Ukraine and the Crimea.  It wasn't until the late 19th century that the Ottoman Empire began to fall.  Essentially the centuries of Turkish rule created large areas of neutrality with pagan beliefs kept intact and not christianised.

The Slavic regions were largely pagan. It is quite feasible that someone's ancestors were not christian four hundred years ago.  You can find more information if you search on Poland-Lithuania, Ottoman Empire, Slavic, and of course Ukraine.

There are areas of Europe and Asia which never became christian even to this day.  

Now I am in no way saying that just because there are still nonchristian areas of Europe that this woman is not out to make a buck on the gullible.   I really get annoyed by the misuse of the term shaman as she has done.



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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2010, 05:45:18 pm »
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Remember that in 1360 the Turks began to expand their holdings.  By 1453 they had captured Constantinople.  In 1648 the Turks had all of North Africa, the Levant, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, Greece, all the Balkans, part of Austria, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Ukraine and the Crimea.

I beg to differ. The Ottoman Empire never held parts of 'Austria', although there were regions which came to Austria later on in history, but never did any of the Austrian mainlands belong to the Ottoman Empire. The sieges of Vienna in 1529 and 1683 both ended in the defeat of the Ottoman army.
Only the Southern part of Ukraine belonged to the Ottoman Empire, and this happened to be a Tatar Khanate with a widely Sunni Muslim population. The Khanate of Crimean Tatars was founded in 1430. It became Ottoman in 1475 already, and Russian in 1774.
The North of Ukraine never belonged to the Ottoman Empire. Poland also never belonged to the Ottoman Empire, neither in whole nor in part.

Although the Ottoman Empire began to fall rapidly at the end of the 19th century/beginning of 20th century, some of its conquests changed ownership (e.g. in the Balkans and North Afrika) before, and this process started much earlier. Following the defeat of the Turkish army at Vienna in 1683, the Pope initiated a so-called Holy League in 1684 (Austria, Republic of Venice, Poland-Lithuania) to launch counter-attacks, as the military crisis of the Ottoman Empire had become apparent, and battles in 1684 and the following years resulted in further territorial losses of the Ottoman Empire. The peace treaty of 1699 e.g. brought about the loss of Central Hungary to Austria, part of the Ottoman regions in Southern Ukraine came to Poland-Lithuania, Dalamatia to Venice. Already in 1695, Russia had gained an access to the Black Sea.


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The Slavic regions were largely pagan.

The process of christianization of the Slavic regions started shortly after 800, and was completed by mid-9th century. Most of the countries became orthodox, while a minority (e.g. the Croatians, and Poland) were converted to Catholicism.

As far as Ukraine is concerned, it was a xtian country since July 28, 988, when Grand Prince Vladimir declared christianity the state religion on the day of his baptism. Vladimir belonged to the dynasty of Kiev Rus which actually was a predecessor of Russia. Ukraine made July 28 a national holiday at the 1000th anniversary in 2008.

To give two more examples:
Hungary's first xtian ruler was King Istvan I (Stephen) who lived from 969-1038. Systematic christianization in Hungary began in 973.
Bulgaria was a xtian country by 864 when King Boris I declared christianity the state religion. The Bulgarian realm was founded in 679, and at that time, there was a Thrakian population living in the country which had been Romanized, and this group of the country's population was xtian before 679.


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There are areas of Europe and Asia which never became christian even to this day.

The areas we're discussing here would be European (the non-xtian regions in Asia being quite obvious) – so which areas are this? Apart from those with a traditional Muslim majority or minority, that is, like e.g. Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria?

Christianization of Eastern Europe, as I said above, was completed by mid-9th century, and even earlier in Western Europe. This left only very few exceptions, like those peoples belonging to the Finno-Ugric language group living in the North of Russia. Their christianization even started before their conquest by Russia, as early as 16th century, (cf this map: http://www.samojeden-kennel.ch/images/samvolk-sprachkarte.jpg ), although traditional religions were mixed with xtian religion.

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Essentially the centuries of Turkish rule created large areas of neutrality with pagan beliefs kept intact and not christianised.

Unfortunately, this is pretty far from facts. The Ottoman Empire was a Muslim state, and in accordance with Islam, they tolerated those religions called the 'family of the book' (ahl al-kitab), i.e. Xtian and Jewish denominations. Pagan beliefs were not seen as equal to the book religions, and any pagan areas within the Ottoman Empire would have experienced pressure to convert to Islam. There is simply no chance that 'large areas' with pagan beliefs could have survived Ottoman rule.
Book religions, on the other hand, enjoyed religious freedom and were organized in so-called millets, sort of autonomous corporate bodies, which also kept their own jurisdiction to observe in law cases among themselves. In case of a member of such a millet being treated by Ottoman courts, the courts had to observe differences in jurisdiction.
 
However, the regions had been christianized before the Ottoman conquest, and largely remained xtian under Ottoman rule. The Muslim minority in Bulgaria e.g. was caused by Turkish settlers sent to Bulgaria by the Sublime Porte, but there was also a Muslim minority who lived there before, called the Volga-Bulgarians.



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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2010, 02:37:33 am »
Thank you. I guess the reference books I used are not accurate.  And here I thought I was reading non-nuage publishers and avoiding the frou-frou non-historical misguided crap by going with books published by University of Pennsylvania Press, Athlone Press and Routledge.  My bad. I apologise.
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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 02:20:02 am »
http://100shamandays.blogspot.com/

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Raised and trained in Traditional Shamanism by my own Shaman Grandmother who immigrated here from Russia in 1908 from a long lineage of Traditional Siberian and Mongolian Shamans.

http://www.shamanelder.com/ Web site opens up with her voice doing her sales pitch. She opens and closes with "Aho".


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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2013, 10:36:39 pm »
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She really really really wants our $$$. http://lifehealingcommunity.com/donations.html

Jean Maggie Wahls' company in Winona MO is Life Healing Community, Inc. , created 2006. 

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Teacher of Traditional Shamanism, Shamanic Counselor, Raised and trained in Traditional Shamanism by my own Shaman Grandmother who immigrated here from Russia in 1908 from a long lineage of Traditional Siberian and Mongolian Shamans.

http://100shamandays.blogspot.com/p/about-shaman-elder-maggie.html

She was born in 1952. Public records in Albion NY 1988 also list her name as Jean M Conley, so Conley might be a birth name.

https://plus.google.com/113902484059121539932/about

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If you could ask a Shaman Elder any question, what would you want to know?
Forty-five questions are answered through the words of Shaman Elder Maggie who has practiced for over 50 years her centuries-old family lineage of Traditional Shamanism, trained by her own Shaman Grandmother.

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Today there are very few Shamans left in the world. I offer my services as taught to me by my mother and grandmother. I come from a long line of Shamans going back at least to the 1400's in the Balkan region of Europe. We were more commonly referred to as a gypsy clan although the word "gypsy" still carries a negative connotation to this day. My studies continued when I was 17 as I set out into the world to find what-if anything- all the Shamans had in common across the world. I found and studied with many Shamans from Europe to South America to Native American elders and I found that all Shamanic work is basically the same.

http://www.holisticseek.com/sitemap/users/users~449~shaman_elder_alternative_schools_shamanic_medicine_florida.php

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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2013, 12:49:41 am »
Shaman Elder Maggie Wahls uses magnoliaz101@yahoo.com

Jean Maggie Wahls, mentioned in http://www.offshorealert.com/forums.aspx?g=posts&page=-1&t=38553 also used magnoliaz101@yahoo.com

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On August 18, 2000 James Gregory Ziegler (aka) Zig Ziegler and his fifth (5th) wife Jean M. Wahls (aka) Maggie Wahls mentored two (2) individuals named Tessa Howell and Elridge E. "Sekou" Glasford whom began providing international business services that Ziegler turned into his financial business fraud money laundering support conduits operating in Charlestown, Nevis.

So it looks like the possible connection made earlier in this thread might be right.

James Gregory Ziegler being allegedly involved in fraud does look to be an authentic story, don't know if Wahls herself was a victim or an active fraudster also.


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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2013, 01:43:09 am »
Magnoliaz Ltd.
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Maggie Jean Wahls

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Maggie stares into the soul to find all kinds of other realities in what seem like ordinary objects without inspection.
http://www.creativeshake.com/profile.html?MyUrl=Magnoliaz


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The Morro Bay, California vortex is one of the few still virtually undiscovered vortices in the world today. Visitors are led up the hillside by Maggie Wahls, one of the few energy guides in the area who knows the exact location, seeking to experience vortex energy.
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Shaman Elder Maggie Jean Wahls, telepathic from birth, has studied Shamanism for 50 years practicing the teachings and traditions of her European heritage. Maggie has studied with Shamans from around the world. Although the teaching of Shamanism has traditionally been reserved for those of direct lineage, today there are fewer and fewer practicing Shamans in the modern world. In an effort to preserve her heritage and keep the powerful healing skills of Shamanism alive, special dispensation has been granted to Shaman Elder Maggie Wahls to help others re-member their own innate Shamanic skills that may have been forgotten. Based in Missouri, Maggie is a Course In Miracles Study Facilitator, Animal Communicator, Reiki Master, and artist.


http://www.selfhealingexpressions.com/faculty.shtml
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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2013, 05:19:10 pm »
http://www.freewebs.com/healingdirectory/tour.htm

Interesting webpage. It has tons of people's name when you click on particular states which has people who are into the new age stuff.

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Re: "Gypsy Shaman" Maggie Wahls, Yaqui, Coma
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2020, 05:34:20 pm »
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Bulgaria was a xtian country by 864 when King Boris I declared christianity the state religion. The Bulgarian realm was founded in 679, and at that time, there was a Thrakian population living in the country which had been Romanized, and this group of the country's population was xtian before 679.




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Essentially the centuries of Turkish rule created large areas of neutrality with pagan beliefs kept intact and not christianised.

Unfortunately, this is pretty far from facts. The Ottoman Empire was a Muslim state, and in accordance with Islam, they tolerated those religions called the 'family of the book' (ahl al-kitab), i.e. Xtian and Jewish denominations. Pagan beliefs were not seen as equal to the book religions, and any pagan areas within the Ottoman Empire would have experienced pressure to convert to Islam. .....
However, the regions had been christianized before the Ottoman conquest, and largely remained xtian under Ottoman rule. The Muslim minority in Bulgaria e.g. was caused by Turkish settlers sent to Bulgaria by the Sublime Porte, but there was also a Muslim minority who lived there before, called the Volga-Bulgarians.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but a few comments: Nominally, yes, the balkans converted to Christianity and Islam. Volga Bulgaria was a distinct state from Danube Bulgaria (roughly what we call Bulgaria today), in southern Russia. It had historic cultural connections to Danube Bulgaria, but these probably declined with the conversion of Volga Bulgaria to Islam and Danube Bulgaria to Christianity. I do not know of any evidence for a significant Volga Bulgar minority in Danube Bulgaria. Many Moslem Bulgarians identify as Pomack, that is Bulgarian Muslim converts rather than Turks, although there is a fair amount of controversy if they are descendants of Turkish immigrants or Bulgarians who converted, and if they converted willingly or by force. IMO a lot of the conversion was voluntary. Converting to the very loose definition of Islam required carried enormous perks, lower taxes, the right to bear arms etc. Converts continued to celebrate Christmas, Easter and St. George's day (often with homemade rakia). Islam meant a change of hat and little else. As far as paganism goes, a huge number of pagan traditions have survived under the cloak of both Orthodox Christianity and Balkan Islam. The Rodope Pomacks I lived among for 2 and a half years didn't celebrate Ramaddan or Eid, their biggest celebration was in November. According to them it was "the birthday of Mohammed's son (pbuh), who was born in this area". Mohammed's (pbuh) sons all died in infancy. None was to the best of my knowledge, born in the Rodope mountains. However, Orpheus, according to legend, was. I saw many other examples of quasi paganism among both Christians and Muslims, for instance in most Islamic societies, a hodja is a schoolmaster. In Bulgaria he is often a wizard with the power to remove curses and tell fortunes over expensive phonelines, often alongside a Mag (witch) in a similar line of work.