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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2017, 07:19:33 am »
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Piff said she couldn't find no legal name change for Donald Hamrick in America or Canada

Lol! I meant to say "Piff said she couldn't find any legal name change for Donald Hamrick in America or Canada"

This is what happens when you post while watching the late show after midnight.  :o

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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2017, 08:18:52 am »
Here's Shore Charnoe's Mother's geneolgy. Jonna Lee Wagner Hamrick. This is Jonna Wagner's father's side of the family. I'm only going to go back to the great grandparents. We're in the 1870's and 1880's and I've looked at the great great grand parents all white, all from middle to mid east United States nothing remarkable.





Jonna Lee Wagner

in the 1940 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Jonna Lee Wagner
Age:   5
Estimated birth year:   abt 1935
Gender:   Female
Race:   White
Birthplace:   Colorado
Marital Status:   Single
Relation to Head of House:   Daughter
Home in 1940:   Brighton, Adams, Colorado
Map of Home in 1940:   View Map
Street:   North Fourth Avenue
House Number:   272
Sheet Number:   4A
Attended School or College:   No
Highest Grade Completed:   None
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name age
Paul Wagner   36
Lois Wagner   35
Louise Elaine Wagner   8
Jonna Lee Wagner   5

Source Citation
Year: 1940; Census Place: Brighton, Adams, Colorado; Roll: T627_454; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 1-40



Paul Wagner
in the Colorado, County Marriages and State Indexes, 1862-2006
 
Name:   Paul Wagner
Gender:   Male
Age:   25
Birth Date:   abt 1903
Marriage Date:   6 Oct 1928
Marriage Place:   Littleton, Arapahoe, Colorado, USA
Spouse:   Lois Mccoy
Film Number:   001690145




Paul Owen Wagner

in the U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947
 
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Name:   Paul Owen Wagner
Race:   White
Relationship to Draftee:   Self (Head)
Birth Place:   Pickering, Missouri, USA
Birth Date:   13 Apr 1903
Residence:   Brighton, Adams, Colorado, USA
Registration Date:   1942
Occupation:   Kuner R Empson Co
Weight:   145
Complexion:   Light
Eye Color:   Brown
Hair Color:   Brown
Height:   5 11
Next of Kin:   Lois Wagner
Household Members:   
Name   Relationship
Paul Owen Wagner   Self (Head)


Paul Wagner

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Paul Wagner


Birth Year:   abt 1903
Birthplace:   Missouri
Home in 1910:   Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Son
Marital Status:   Single
Father's name:   M E Wagner
Father's Birthplace:   Missouri
Mother's name:   Grace Wagner
Mother's Birthplace:   Missouri
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
M E Wagner   34
Grace Wagner   29
Curtis Wagner   9
Paul Wagner   7
Mildred Wagner   4
Helen Wagner   2

M E Wagner

 in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name:   M E Wagner
Age in 1910:   34
Birth Year:   abt 1876
Birthplace:   Missouri
Home in 1910:   Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Grace Wagner
Father's Birthplace:   Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace:   Iowa
Native Tongue:   English
Occupation:   Farmer
Industry:   Gen Farm
Employer, Employee or Other:   Own Account
Home Owned or Rented:   Rent
Farm or House:   Farm
Able to Read:   Yes
Able to Write:   Yes
Years Married:   10
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
M E Wagner   34
Grace Wagner   29
Curtis Wagner   9
Paul Wagner   7
Mildred Wagner   4
Helen Wagner   2



Grace Dalrymple

in the Missouri, Marriage Records, 1805-2002
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Name:   Grace Dalrymple
Marriage Date:   24 Dec 1899
Marriage Place:   Pickering, Nodaway, Missouri
Registration Place:   Nodaway, Missouri, USA
Spouse:   Everett Wagner



Grace Wagner

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Grace Wagner
Age in 1910:   29
Birth Year:   abt 1881
Birthplace:   Missouri
Home in 1910:   Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   M E Wagner
Father's Birthplace:   Missouri
Mother's Birthplace:   Illinois
Native Tongue:   English
Attended School:   Yes
Able to Read:   Yes
Able to Write:   Yes
Years Married:   10
Number of Children Born:   4
Number of Children Living:   4
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
M E Wagner   34
Grace Wagner   29
Curtis Wagner   9
Paul Wagner   7
Mildred Wagner   4
Helen Wagner   2


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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2017, 09:07:01 am »
Here's Jonna Lee Wagner Hamrick's mother's info on Find a Grave, Lois McCoy Wagner. It has her parents names Of John Robert McCoy and Tabitha F. McCoy including her mother's maiden name of Deweese. Here they are in the 1900 census. Tabitha died in 1907. I also posted Lois McCoy and her family after her mothers death. Her father later married a woman named Abbie. Again, I'm only going to post great grand parents. All the great great grandparents are all born in the 1830s to the 1840s and are all white. Shore Charnoe (probably not her real name) is WHITE.


https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=WAG&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=39&GScntry=4&GSsr=801&GRid=28855399&



John R Mccoy

 in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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Name:   John R Mccoy
Age:   33
Birth Date:   Dec 1866
Birthplace:   Tennessee
Home in 1900:   Temple Hill, Barren, Kentucky
Sheet Number:   13A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   244
Family Number:   247
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Tabitha Mccoy
Marriage Year:   1900
Years Married:   0
Father's Birthplace:   Tennessee
Mother's Birthplace:   Tennessee
Occupation:   Farmer
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   No
House Owned or Rented:   O
Home Free or Mortgaged:   F
Farm or House:   F
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John R Mccoy   33
Tabitha Mccoy   27

Tabitha Mccoy

in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Tabitha Mccoy

Age:   27
Birth Date:   Nov 1872
Birthplace:   Kentucky
Home in 1900:   Temple Hill, Barren, Kentucky
Sheet Number:   13A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   244
Family Number:   247
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   John R Mccoy
Marriage Year:   1900
Years Married:   0
Father's Birthplace:   Kentucky
Mother's Birthplace:   Kentucky
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   Yes
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John R Mccoy   33
Tabitha Mccoy   27

Lois Mc Coy

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Lois Mc Coy
Age in 1910:   4
Birth Year:   abt 1906
Birthplace:   Kentucky
Home in 1910:   Slick Rock, Barren, Kentucky
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Daughter
Marital Status:   Single
Father's name:   J R Mc Coy
Father's Birthplace:   Tennessee
Mother's Birthplace:   Kentucky
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
J R Mc Coy   43
Hattie Mc Coy   9
Beatrice E Mc Coy   6
Lois Mc Coy   4
Martha Ann Melton   73


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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2017, 05:39:42 pm »
In 2015 Shore Charnoe claimed she was Lakota in a video. She also claimed Métis on her site http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4675.msg40909#msg40909

In a 2015 interview https://soundcloud.com/makenobonesaboutit/shore-charnoe-on-make-no-bones-about-it-jun-14-2015 she opens by stating what she says is  "my Lakota name". 28 minutes of interview and there is no mention of Métis.

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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2017, 04:44:20 pm »
I think Shore Charnoe is her real name. She has a younger sister named Sky Charnoe.
On one of Donald/Zee's obituaries it says that he is survived by his 6 children, perhaps that was the surviving children with Jonna, plus two from Hila Charnoe, (Shore & Sky?).

What makes me think that is that is Jonna and Donald divorced in 69, don't know if Shore is old enough to be from that marriage. Her facebook timeline shows that she was born in 1977. And the other older children all live in the states.

Also the birthday note from her father says that she was born in Scotland, and if him and Hila Charnoe were married in Denmark, then perhaps they were over in Europe at the time and then came to Canada. He was working there for a University in Denmark.

This doc confirms that he was in Scotland in July, '77 presumably when Shore was born.:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B69QduZhn9AjYjgyYzZmMGItMDg0Mi00YzY5LWIzOGQtZjdkZjRlZTY3MDFl/view
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When I googled Charnoe Denmark, it linked Zeera P (which I learned stands for polyandry) Charnoe to Denmark From 1971, but then was all over Europe until 1980.
He was indeed a seemingly great mind, though an odd one.

And a lecture on Physiognomy (had to look that one up), in Denmark in Jan, 1971: https://audioboom.com/posts/919736-physiognomy-denmark-jan22-71

Here he states that he's been in Canada since 1980 (in the about my library part):
https://www.librarything.com/profile/ZeeCharnoe

Diana, you're a genealogy wiz, did you come across any info on Hila? There are some mentions of them living in Peterborough, Ontario, as well so perhaps they met in or moved together to Canada before Denmark?


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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2017, 06:23:04 pm »
Just googled Hila Charnoe and found some mentions.

"Hila Charnoe, of Guelph, said many of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren have Aboriginal blood in them, which is why she is so interested in these ceremonies. She said there is an awakening going on in Guelph — churches, service clubs and academics are beginning to pay attention and support Aboriginal people as they find their spiritual way in western culture.
"The networking in this community is amazing," she said. "It's a very interesting time."


https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/

It seems like Shore's entire representation of herself as Métis or Lakota, or whoever else she's claimed to be, is based on the Indigenous children that she's fostered over the years.

If so, that's very sad that she uses them to justify her own cultural appropriation and greatly misrepresenting herself to others, and then selling these "Indigenous teachings" to unknowing non-Indigenous people, but also integrating and trying to legitimize herself within Indigenous communities by working for First Nations Technical Institute, and getting her BSW in an Indigenous program.



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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2017, 07:49:20 pm »
And a lecture on Physiognomy (had to look that one up), in Denmark in Jan, 1971: https://audioboom.com/posts/919736-physiognomy-denmark-jan22-71

I listened to all of it. Sounds poetical, but mostly incomprehensible gibberish. Lecture held at:

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordenfjord_World_University — (Use Google Translate.)

Not a real University in any way. — I heard her mention "Free Energy", probably referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression_conspiracy_theory


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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2017, 11:23:59 pm »
Thanks for the info Yar. You very well could be right. Shore Charnoe looked to be in her mid to late forties to me in all her pictures. She also said to have been a foster mother for over 20 years and claims to be a grandmother. It's possible...?? Something to look into for sure.



Just googled Hila Charnoe and found some mentions.

"Hila Charnoe, of Guelph, said many of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren have Aboriginal blood in them, which is why she is so interested in these ceremonies. She said there is an awakening going on in Guelph — churches, service clubs and academics are beginning to pay attention and support Aboriginal people as they find their spiritual way in western culture.
"The networking in this community is amazing," she said. "It's a very interesting time."


https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/

It seems like Shore's entire representation of herself as Métis or Lakota, or whoever else she's claimed to be, is based on the Indigenous children that she's fostered over the years.

If so, that's very sad that she uses them to justify her own cultural appropriation and greatly misrepresenting herself to others, and then selling these "Indigenous teachings" to unknowing non-Indigenous people, but also integrating and trying to legitimize herself within Indigenous communities by working for First Nations Technical Institute, and getting her BSW in an Indigenous program.

Offline Yar Spar

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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2017, 12:33:21 am »
Seems like either way, whichever is her mother, she is not who she claims to be.

Thanks for the info Yar. You very well could be right. Shore Charnoe looked to be in her mid to late forties to me in all her pictures. She also said to have been a foster mother for over 20 years and claims to be a grandmother. It's possible...?? Something to look into for sure.



Just googled Hila Charnoe and found some mentions.

"Hila Charnoe, of Guelph, said many of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren have Aboriginal blood in them, which is why she is so interested in these ceremonies. She said there is an awakening going on in Guelph — churches, service clubs and academics are beginning to pay attention and support Aboriginal people as they find their spiritual way in western culture.
"The networking in this community is amazing," she said. "It's a very interesting time."


https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/

It seems like Shore's entire representation of herself as Métis or Lakota, or whoever else she's claimed to be, is based on the Indigenous children that she's fostered over the years.

If so, that's very sad that she uses them to justify her own cultural appropriation and greatly misrepresenting herself to others, and then selling these "Indigenous teachings" to unknowing non-Indigenous people, but also integrating and trying to legitimize herself within Indigenous communities by working for First Nations Technical Institute, and getting her BSW in an Indigenous program.

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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2021, 05:52:19 pm »
To add onto everything with Shore.

 She is in her 50-60s now.
She had a son who would be in his 40s (she adopted him out)

But also has birthed within the last decade.

She definitely is a great source to mentally and emotionally as well as financially [Childishness removed].

Also any posts I've read seem to forget about her brother Brooke and her sister Skye.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2021, 09:27:57 pm by educatedindian »

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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2021, 09:33:50 pm »
Truth with angel numerology, no childish rants allowed.

Firsthand accounts are very valuable. How do you know her? Can you describe your or others experience?

Why does she feel the need to pose as Metis or Lakota and pose as a Native healer? Is it cash or ego or both?
Better to simply say "I've fostered Native kids."

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Re: Shore Charnoe
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2021, 12:52:42 am »
"Just so you know, I'm a little bit of a trickster, I've had a lot of coyote teachings over the years, and so we teach invisibly"

Whoa, that is several red flags right there.

So many frauds make claims like that. "Crazy wisdom", "trickster", "coyote medicine" ... all can be used as an excuse to be abusive, to lie, to not answer direct questions, and to get money for nothing.

The photos attached to that post (visible only to logged-in members?) can be found at her Facebook profile:

https://www.facebook.com/shore.charnoe  — "Founder at The Circle For Change". (See Photos)

Intro links: https://www.facebook.com/TheCircleForChange/https://www.thecircleforchange.com/