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Title: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 18, 2021, 08:16:53 pm
John Pope’s grandson that calls himself Sidian Moon Star Jones was on a tv show called Seeking sister wife’s. It’s a show on TLC about polygamy. (I like crappy reality tv sorry). I joined a group to talk about the cast of the show and Sidian immediately started attacking me and threatening to sue me because I posted a picture of the book he published about Rolling Thunder. I called him out for stealing people’s heritage. He then began to dox and harass me with fake profiles and even shut down my Facebook account for a short time. I took that time to dig more into what he was trying to hide so bad and ended up here. He just recently moved to Oregon and afte seeing what his other family members were up to there I started to become concerned. He has started his own religion called Open Source Religion. I know after I post this I will begin to get immediately attacked in some way for him or his followers. He has the same tactics as John Lekay in other threads. I hate to sound crazier then the person has made me feel but I think the Pope family his some how connected to Lekay.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 18, 2021, 10:13:00 pm
I believe these are Sidian Morning Star Jones' parents:

Name:    Ozella Morning Star Pope
Gender:    Female
Residence State:    Idaho
Spouse:    Russell D Jones
Spouse Residence State:    Idaho
Marriage Date:    17 Aug 1982
Marriage County:    Elko
Officiant Type:    Civil celebrant
Recorded Date:    24 Aug 1982
Recorded City:    Elko
Book:    62-
Page:    146
Instrument number:    98712

Nevada, U.S., Marriage Index, 1956-2005 via ancestry.com

So Mala Spotted Eagle Pope is his uncle, Redwolf Pope http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5241.0 his cousin, John "Rolling Thunder" Pope his grandfather.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 12:31:14 am
I did read Mala died and I also read the Mala’s son Red Wolf is serving time for rape. The person running a Twitter page for their foundation in Oregon has Jones Danby running the account. I also read Sidian isn’t his real name. I read in a chat room that is was Casey. I’m not sure of his parents. I just know he falls in line with his family when it comes to trying to silence people.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 12:39:46 am
I do think Mala was his uncle. I have no proof of anything other the screen shots of the harassing and Doxing he did to me. I’m actually kind of nervous still talking about it but felt this was the safest place and that your community needed to know that his family is still trying to exploit the ndn heritage. I would want to k is if someone was exploiting my family.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: educatedindian on July 19, 2021, 01:39:47 am
As any photo shows, Jones's BQ is obviously low. No mention of any enrollment. Grew up in Boise. Pretty much a programmer until his Open Source Your Religion bit. Since then he's mostly all about self promotion, much like uncle and grandfather. We're actually supposed to be impressed by being on Joe Rogan?

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidianmsjones
Sidian Morning Star Jones is a Personal Mythologist, TV personality, vocalist, and author. He is the founder of Open Source Religion, the world's first framework for religion, and is an internationally recognized speaker on its behalf. His work includes MyMythos.org and MyMythosKids.com, projects that incorporate the use of Personal Mythology in our daily lives. Sidian is the grandson of the legendary shaman Rolling Thunder and co-authored two books about him, “The Voice of Rolling Thunder” and “The Shamanic Powers of Rolling Thunder.” that have been featured on Joe Rogan’s podcast.

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Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 01:54:58 am
I do think Mala was his uncle. I have no proof of anything other the screen shots of the harassing and Doxing he did to me. I’m actually kind of nervous still talking about it but felt this was the safest place and that your community needed to know that his family is still trying to exploit the ndn heritage. I would want to k is if someone was exploiting my family.

The Oregon corporation Nanish Shontie Land Trust has been in administrative dissolution status since 12-12-2019. Their other corporation Nanish Shontie is also inactive, since 5-14-2020.

Sidian's parents are verified also in one of the books he wrote with Stanley Krippner, it states that his parents are Morning Star "Bundy" and Russell Jones.

I notice that Krippner is also involved in this project with Sidian Jones https://mymythoskids.com/what-is-personal-mythology/

What is the name of the Twitter account you mentioned?

Sidian Jones has a lot invested in maintaining the myth of his grandfather John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope. Harassing and doxxing critics does not change the fact that John Walter Pope lied about who he was. I'm glad that you are keeping screen shots of any harassment. You are in good company, some folks here have also been harassed for their work.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 02:00:45 am
Sidian Jones runs this https://www.facebook.com/VoiceOfRollingThunder

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Official page for Rolling Thunder, managed by his grandson Sidian Jones. RT was an inter-tribal medicine man/shaman/teacher. Order the book today

The second book he wrote with Stanley Krippner is "The Shamanic Powers of Rolling Thunder: As Experienced by Alberto Villoldo, John Perry Barlow, Larry Dossey, and Others:.

I've looked over a sample. Sidian Jones is determined to portray his grandfather as a medicine man and a charismatic miracle worker.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 02:13:18 am
https://mixposure.com/jones-danby/store/95/nativ-american-nanish-shontie  This is a link that I was talking about
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 02:43:08 am
Sidian Jones claims that critics can't back up their (factual) statements that his grandfather John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope lied about who he was.

Yet the evidence is relatively easy to collect. Sidian Jones needs to pay a professional genealogist. A pro won't tell him what he wants to hear, they will instead do the actual work, step by step back in time.

Records are only part of the story. But if Sidian Jones hires an ethical, professional genealogist, he will learn that the entire story of Pope as "Cherokee medicine man" is a myth.

A genealogy start:

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John Walter Pope

Birth Date:    10 Sep 1916
Birth Place:    Stamps, Arkansas
Death Date:    23 Jan 1997
Father:    Clerance W Pope
Mother:    Blanch V Canter

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007, ancestry.com

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1920 United States Federal Census

in Ouachita, Polk, Arkansas with his parents Clarence and Blanche, everyone listed white, father born Missouri and mother Texas

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John Walter Pope's father Clarence Walter Pope was listed white on his 1978 death cert accessed through ancestry.com
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 03:09:33 am
When I asked him about his grandfather being ndn he claimed his grandmother is. So therefore he is. I asked him if he was registered with any tribe and that is when he started his attack campaign against me. I am a female and he tried to bully and intimidate me. Even had me removed from the Facebook group talking about the show he was on. He has some really dirty tactics and a ton of sock puppet accounts. The administration of the page removed him and added me back and since then I have been just gathering information. I hate when people try to tell me to be quiet. Lol. Here is another stellar page about himself. https://flyworldinfo.com/sidian-jones/
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 03:10:04 am
Past and current corporations include Alchemyst LLC, The Open Source Religion Network LLC,, MYMYTHOS LLC.

Oregon corporation MYMYTHOS LLC filed May 2021. Located in Beaverton Oregon. Sidian Morning Star Jones and Tosha M Jones involved, (search here: http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.login )
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 03:39:11 am
When I asked him about his grandfather being ndn he claimed his grandmother is. So therefore he is. I asked him if he was registered with any tribe and that is when he started his attack campaign against me. I am a female and he tried to bully and intimidate me. Even had me removed from the Facebook group talking about the show he was on. He has some really dirty tactics and a ton of sock puppet accounts. The administration of the page removed him and added me back and since then I have been just gathering information. I hate when people try to tell me to be quiet. Lol. Here is another stellar page about himself. https://flyworldinfo.com/sidian-jones/

John Walter Pope married several times, at least one of his wives is listed in tribal rolls http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=739.msg45426#msg45426 . If Helen S (Hernandez) Pope is Sidian's  grandmother, he needs professional genealogy done and also to contact the relevant tribe. Helen was listed as 1/4 Shoshone in the 1937 Indian census roll for Non reservation Shoshone area, Carson Agency. I suppose Sidian would then be considered 1/16, though that is up to the tribe.

And all that of course has nothing to do with John Pope's personal heritage.

Tosha and Sidian Ask a Bartender Out! | Seeking Sister Wife https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWBTKTWOFSo

Since this show has fans, maybe they will want more info on him and learn the fact that his grandfather was a pretendian.  IMO, the truth about Sidian's family is far more interesting than watching him and his wife try to pick someone up. Although if this reality tv confronted Sidian with the facts - I'd watch that. :)
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 03:52:49 am
I’m so over the show I can’t believe they put someone like him on tv. I actually think his family story is way more interesting. I have tried to expose him to the viewers and every time I do I get harassed and bullied. I was hoping come here would give me more of a voice and the courage to fight against the poser.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 03:56:19 am
I’m so over the show I can’t believe they put someone like him on tv. I actually think his family story is way more interesting. I have tried to expose him to the viewers and every time I do I get harassed and bullied. I was hoping come here would give me more of a voice and the courage to fight against the poser.

A reality tv show about the extended Pope/Jones families being held accountable for their family lies could be great.

Lots of people read these forums, your information helps a lot.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 03:59:18 am
I was kinda thinking the same thing. I would definitely watch that! I wouldn’t also mind trying to help with making it possible. I have a message from he stating he would sue me if I didn’t quit talking about his family. I don’t think that is possible since he put himself on tv. Plus I don’t have much so let him.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 04:09:45 am
Here is where Sidian gets his Jungian flavored ideas:

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Sidian Jones The Mythologists
November 27, 2020·

Small revelation here. Wow.
So I've been engaged every single day in a Personal Mythology course tailored for me by Ron Boyer a depth psychologist, current doctoral student at UC Berkeley and the Graduate Theological Union, and a teaching intern at GTU/UCB. Part of this course is to read Carl Jung, who spends quite a bit

The cards he is making remind me of Magic the Gathering cards and role play gaming sheets.
https://mymythos.org/

From https://www.facebook.com/groups/Mythologists

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We aim to ignite a new career field for Personal Mythologists all over the world as a title you can aspire to and an art or skill you can master.

Are we watching a potential Jungian polygamist cult in the making?

Sidian is benefiting from the unpaid intellectual labor of his followers. He is basically game testing, using people as beta testers.

He is maintaining an air of "specialness" about his group, you can apply but he might not accept you. If you produce content he likes, he might accept you.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 04:13:12 am
I was kinda thinking the same thing. I would definitely watch that! I wouldn’t also mind trying to help with making it possible. I have a message from he stating he would sue me if I didn’t quit talking about his family. I don’t think that is possible since he put himself on tv. Plus I don’t have much so let him.

Oh definitely screenshot and save all his threats.

He is a public figure who has written books about his grandfather. He makes miracle claims about his pretendian grandfather. We all have the right to question, discuss, and research his claims.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 04:32:30 am
He is just making more than claims. The tactics he uses are something I have never experienced before. His “wife” even contacted me and tried to gaslight me. She said Sidian travelled all over the world to gain these stories in his book. I was accused of being his ex wife trying to defame him. That is a whole other story. She wasn’t on the show and he put out a smear campaign against her. She claims he stole their kids. I don’t know and she may be in on the whole thing. She started a go fund me page to hire a lawyer to get to see her kids. There is so much I have dug up. The move to Oregon seemed strange to me because I read Mala had 17 acre place there. It made me wonder if Sidian didn’t just more there to take over the family business of taking advantage of people.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 04:50:41 am
I just posted a link in one of the groups I am in on Reddit called TLCseekingwife to this subject. Hope that is okay. I think the viewers of the show would be really interested.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 03:46:03 pm
He is just making more than claims. The tactics he uses are something I have never experienced before. His “wife” even contacted me and tried to gaslight me. She said Sidian travelled all over the world to gain these stories in his book. I was accused of being his ex wife trying to defame him. That is a whole other story. She wasn’t on the show and he put out a smear campaign against her. She claims he stole their kids. I don’t know and she may be in on the whole thing. She started a go fund me page to hire a lawyer to get to see her kids. There is so much I have dug up. The move to Oregon seemed strange to me because I read Mala had 17 acre place there. It made me wonder if Sidian didn’t just more there to take over the family business of taking advantage of people.

So imagine if Sidian actually sued a critic in court for damages. He'd have to do this with his own money, this would be a civil case not criminal.

He is a public figure so he'd have more to prove than a private person.

One of the elements he'd need to prove is this:

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3. A defamatory statement must be false -- otherwise it's not considered damaging. Even terribly mean or disparaging things are not defamatory if the shoe fits. Most opinions don't count as defamation because they can't be proved to be objectively false.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html

So Sidian Morning Star Jones' threats are ridiculous. John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope was a performer who lied about his heritage.

Sidian traveling the world to collect stories is just that - the dude traveled to collect stories from people. Doesn't matter if those assorted people are famous or not, stories are stories. Just because there are stories about Pope supposedly working weather magic and healing people doesn't necessarily mean they are actually true. And we have the right to express our opinion of those stories.

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Sidian is the grandson of the legendary shaman Rolling Thunder


Sidian is carrying on the family business of taking advantage of people. And he is acting like a wannabe L Ron Hubbard, who invented the "religion" Scientology. Including his use of threats, harassment, gaslighting.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 04:17:23 pm
I fully agree with you. I posted in a couple groups I’m in about what you have uncovered. It’s going to be a interesting day to say the least.  ;D
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 04:23:17 pm
Sidian Jones was born in 1983.

He's been at the New Age game for awhile. Here he is in 2010:

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MyMythos is here for those without a purpose, those who have lost their purpose, or those who wish to be sped forward towards their purpose. The journey towards self perfection is always ongoing, it is a never ending horizon. For your ultimate self will always be growing, will always be becoming greater.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100806063033/http://www.mymythos.org/about-mymythos/

Sidian already has the elements of a New Age Huckster in place. He looks for lost souls. He tells them that he has the answers and that they will need his help forever.

He's using a time tested mix of Jungian, "spirit animals", mangled myths, "shamanic" heritage claims, his own version of tarot cards, role play gaming, dream interpertation etc. Through out NAFPS here can be found many versions of this. He is not doing anything new.

Sidian Jones encourages followers to share their innermost secrets. This is extremely unsafe, he can use this information to manipulate people. He also wants followers to help him build the "world's largest encyclopedia of meanings".  He'll use unpaid labor for that and then profit himself.

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Becoming a Myth Keeper is Easy & Fun

Do you love lore, mythology, and writing?
Join us in creating the worlds largest encyclopedia of meanings.

Themes on his site include Cruella de Vil, Kraken, Werewolves, Faeirie, Succubus, Dragons, Unicorns, Nature, Oneness, Demon Hunter, Sidian Morning Star Jones is a New Age Huckster using people in his role playing game for profit and power.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 04:33:07 pm
The show is still pending on another season last time I checked. There has been a lot of talk of why it ended with no warning. People have speculated it’s because of other cast members with abuse allegations against them. I started voicing my opinion of he should not be on the show and about his Rolling Thunder being as fake as his grandson. I think it may be beneficial to some how contact TLC and boycott him being on the show against. He behavior is abusive threatening and you would think that would be enough to pull him from the show. Or just cancel it for good. Like you suggested and make a show about this fraud.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 05:06:29 pm
https://www.quora.com/   This link has a Sam Morning Star. I wonder if the two are related?
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 05:10:10 pm
I apologize I think this is the link. https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Morningstar
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 05:26:41 pm
https://www.instagram.com/shamantham/?hl=en  I found this one also.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 05:32:43 pm
I apologize I think this is the link. https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Morningstar
I believe they are not related. Different writing styles, different bios.

There are unrelated Morningstars out there, even at least one with middle name/surname of Morningstar Pope.

Oooo I just found his name change. In 2006 he changed his name from Robert Russell Cayc Jones to Sidian Morning Star Jones. I don't know if that "Cayc" is an abbreviation for a longer name. Search through the above listed Idaho court link.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 05:36:16 pm
Link to Idaho records https://mycourts.idaho.gov/odysseyportal/Home/Dashboard/29
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 05:47:01 pm
Wow. You are good. Finally some proof of what I have suspected all along. A fraud. I’m so relieved I found this site. Him and his followers made me feel like I was crazy for thinking he what you have proved. Thank you again.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: RedRightHand on July 19, 2021, 05:59:43 pm
I heard he was on that TV show and checked out the Reddit group. Apparently he joined the subreddit and tried to promote himself there. He quickly got into fights with people, as they laughed at him and called him and his grandfather frauds and pretendians. They laughed at how creepy he was and said he was trying to look like Johnny Depp. He came on and said he thinks he looks like Jim Morrison.  ???

Apparently he believed he would win over the group and make them his followers. They saw right through him and kept making fun of him. So he turned hostile and started attacking and trying to dox people. He wound up banned from the group.

I suspect he will attempt to come here with fake accounts, pretending to be his own follower(s), to defend his "honor".

Oh, and his claims of starting his various "religions"? Mostly lies. He's cobbling together the work of other occultists. Plagiarism and collages, nothing new or innovative. And he was getting very little interaction on his Facebook posts last I checked. Which doesn't mean he won't succeed under a different persona, especially if he ever succeeds in picking up his fraud grandfather's mantle. But so far it looks like he's been trying very, very hard to do that and really not having much success at it.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 06:04:29 pm
I heard he was on that TV show and checked out the Reddit group. Apparently he joined the subreddit and tried to promote himself there. He quickly got into fights with people, as they laughed at him and called him and his grandfather frauds and pretendians. They laughed at how creepy he was and said he was trying to look like Johnny Depp. He came on and said he thinks he looks like Jim Morrison.  ???

Apparently he believed he would win over the group and make them his followers. They saw right through him and kept making fun of him. So he turned hostile and started attacking and trying to dox people. He wound up banned from the group.

I suspect he will attempt to come here with fake accounts, pretending to be his own follower(s), to defend his "honor".

Oh, and his claims of starting his various "religions"? Mostly lies. He's cobbling together the work of other occultists. Plagiarism and collages, nothing new or innovative. And he was getting very little interaction on his Facebook posts last I checked. Which doesn't mean he won't succeed under a different persona, especially if he ever succeeds in picking up his fraud grandfather's mantle. But so far it looks like he's been trying very, very hard to do that and really not having much success at it.
I have experienced this first hand. He has done the same thing in Facebook groups about the show. I even created his own group and tried and did convince people that was a real group about the show. It’s called seeking sister wives savage group. He uses it to Dox and harass people.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 06:06:21 pm
Wow. You are good. Finally some proof of what I have suspected all along. A fraud. I’m so relieved I found this site. Him and his followers made me feel like I was crazy for thinking he what you have proved. Thank you again.

A good thing to know is that even if the New Age Huckster John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope was Cherokee (he wasn't) - he would still be classified as a fraud. His supposed spiritual teachings were a random mess of elements stolen from actual cultures. He was a performer doing old timey medicine shows selling fake potions.

He made money doing fake ceremonies. He ripped off cultures and he ripped off his customers. Some of his customers were despairing and ill, they need actual help, not to get ensnared by a con man.

Imagine someone wearing a Roman Catholic pope hat, Tibetan prayer beads, an Orthodox Jewish prayer leader cotton robe, a Mormon temple garment ( a type of underwear), and waving a Disney type fairy wand. While singing garbled versions of West African Vodun songs. And claiming they are descended from Joan of Arc.

Imagine this person having a grandson who writes books about this supposed miracle worker  and who then harasses people for daring to offer criticism.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 06:13:10 pm
Wow. You are good. Finally some proof of what I have suspected all along. A fraud. I’m so relieved I found this site. Him and his followers made me feel like I was crazy for thinking he what you have proved. Thank you again.

A good thing to know is that even if the New Age Huckster John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope was Cherokee (he wasn't) - he would still be classified as a fraud. His supposed spiritual teachings were a random mess of elements stolen from actual cultures. He was a performer doing old timey medicine shows selling fake potions.

He made money doing fake ceremonies. He ripped off cultures and he ripped off his customers. Some of his customers were despairing and ill, they need actual help, not to get ensnared by a con man.

Imagine someone wearing a Roman Catholic pope hat, Tibetan prayer beads, an Orthodox Jewish prayer leader cotton robe, a Mormon temple garment ( a type of underwear), and waving a Disney type fairy wand. While singing garbled versions of West African Vodun songs. And claiming they are descended from Joan of Arc.

Imagine this person having a grandson who writes books about this supposed miracle worker  and who then harasses people for daring to offer criticism.
   I absolutely understand and people like them are doing nothing to help any community. They are hurting and victimizing people to make many. I am white and have done my family’s history. I’m from the Hart family. The people being accused of being witch’s. That’s  terrible to take the pain of the people being accused of something they are not a making a career out it.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 06:19:57 pm
I want to make clear I don’t think I’m a witch and I have no special powers other then finding like minded people to expose these people.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 06:40:25 pm
Heads up Oregon, this on the Portland Welcome FB:

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Sidian Jones asked a question .
July 11 at 12:42 PM  ·
Hey all. I'm new to Oregon and having a hard time meeting new people. Really just looking for a group to have a few drinks with maybe game a bit. This might be the worst way to meet people lol, but I don't know what else to do. Suggestions welcome!
My interests include geeky stuff like board and videogames, drinks, karaoke, making music, psychology, graphic design, and anything entrepreneurial.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 06:42:46 pm
Heads up Oregon, this on the Portland Welcome FB:

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Sidian Jones asked a question .
July 11 at 12:42 PM  ·
Hey all. I'm new to Oregon and having a hard time meeting new people. Really just looking for a group to have a few drinks with maybe game a bit. This might be the worst way to meet people lol, but I don't know what else to do. Suggestions welcome!
My interests include geeky stuff like board and videogames, drinks, karaoke, making music, psychology, graphic design, and anything entrepreneurial.
. This was posted in the Facebook group seeking sister wife’s. Any one that joked about it was attacked.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 06:46:53 pm
He has sock poppet accounts saying I am him now trying to promote him. I don’t know rather to block these people are gather more evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 07:02:46 pm
He has sock poppet accounts saying I am him now trying to promote him. I don’t know rather to block these people are gather more evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Is he doing this on Facebook? Here is how to block https://www.facebook.com/help/168009843260943/

You may not need to gather any more evidence. Keep an eye on his activities if you want but make sure to first take care of your own well being. You do not deserve abuse. Take breaks. Stay clear of bullies.

Your information is already helping a lot. Sidian is part of an extended grifter family. Now we know that he also is in the game and that he uses bullying tactics.

Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 07:22:44 pm
He has sock poppet accounts saying I am him now trying to promote him. I don’t know rather to block these people are gather more evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Is he doing this on Facebook? Here is how to block https://www.facebook.com/help/168009843260943/

You may not need to gather any more evidence. Keep an eye on his activities if you want but make sure to first take care of your own well being. You do not deserve abuse. Take breaks. Stay clear of bullies.

Your information is already helping a lot. Sidian is part of an extended grifter family. Now we know that he also is in the game and that he uses bullying tactics.
. Yes it’s on TLC seekingsisterwife group on Facebook. I made a post about looking like a cult and his real name and the same accounts as usual stated I was him or obsessed with him. I blocked them. I don’t want to talk to people who want to defend by being manipulative or abusive. It’s most likely him or a cult member anyway. Who would stick up for this guy just because he was on tv? Especially after be exposing after I read information on Rolling Thunder he was pushing.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 07:40:30 pm
He has sock poppet accounts saying I am him now trying to promote him. I don’t know rather to block these people are gather more evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Is he doing this on Facebook? Here is how to block https://www.facebook.com/help/168009843260943/

You may not need to gather any more evidence. Keep an eye on his activities if you want but make sure to first take care of your own well being. You do not deserve abuse. Take breaks. Stay clear of bullies.

Your information is already helping a lot. Sidian is part of an extended grifter family. Now we know that he also is in the game and that he uses bullying tactics.
. Yes it’s on TLC seekingsisterwife group on Facebook. I made a post about looking like a cult and his real name and the same accounts as usual stated I was him or obsessed with him. I blocked them. I don’t want to talk to people who want to defend by being manipulative or abusive. It’s most likely him or a cult member anyway. Who would stick up for this guy just because he was on tv? Especially after be exposing after I read information on Rolling Thunder he was pushing.
. The Facebook page is about and to make fun of the cast of the show. It’s a discussion group based on the TV show. All the families on the show are talked about and opinions made of them but his. If you do he will over report your comments or harass you. Just like a lot of threads on here about his family.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: educatedindian on July 19, 2021, 07:49:16 pm
I apologize I think this is the link. https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Morningstar

Not likely. Morningstar is one of the most common Native names, both first and last, like Russell is for English people. And for many people besides Cherokees too. For that matter plenty of Nuagers, hippies, and others either named their kid that or changed their name to it.

I happen to have a lot of online interactions with Sam Morningstar on Quora. Unlike the Pope family, there's no reason I can see to doubt SM is who he says he is. Most of the questions he answered were about the usual pop claims about Natives, or about being a vet.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 07:58:45 pm
I apologize I think this is the link. https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Morningstar

Not likely. Morningstar is one of the most common Native names, both first and last, like Russell is for English people. And for many people besides Cherokees too. For that matter plenty of Nuagers, hippies, and others either named their kid that or changed their name to it.

I happen to have a lot of online interactions with Sam Morningstar on Quora. Unlike the Pope family, there's no reason I can see to doubt SM is who he says he is. Most of the questions he answered were about the usual pop claims about Natives, or about being a vet.
. Ok and thank you. I didn’t know Morningstar was common a common Native name. Sidian told me it was his Grandmother’s middle name when I asked him about it. Some people in the group that it was from Devil worship. I had no clue. 😁
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 07:59:13 pm
Robert Russell Cayc Jones changed his name to Sidian Morning Star Jones ......... I think Cayc = Cayce and the legal record abbreviated it.

According to reviews of the book The Shamanic Powers of Rolling Thunder, John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope was a good friend of Charles Thomas Cayce. Charles was a grandson of Edgar Cayce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce Charles obit https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/pilotonline/name/charles-cayce-obituary?pid=179898276 )

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Rolling Thunder took a liking to Charles Thomas Cayce. As a result, RT was a frequent visitor at camp in the mountains or at the ARE headquarters in Virginia Beach, staying out at Charles Thomas’ farm in Sandbridge.

ARE = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Research_and_Enlightenment https://www.edgarcayce.org/

So Sidian Jones' mother likely also visited the Cayce's as a child and that may be the source of that middle name.

The Cayce - Pope connection explains a lot, including what Sidian is trying to do today.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 08:11:02 pm
More of the Cayce - Pope connection, something to be aware of with Sidian:

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For example, it's reported that several years ago Rolling Thunder agreed to conduct a healing ritual for a research group at the Edgar Cayce Foundation in Virginia Beach, Virginia. In addition to curing three patients with documented medical histories (who were selected beforehand by doctors at the conference), he treated a man who had severely crippled hands. However, Rolling Thunder first had to describe the individual's ailment so that the reluctant patient could be located in the audience and brought forward to be examined. After the healer told the audience to look for someone with gnarled, twisted hands hidden in his pockets, the "volunteer" was found, brought to the stage, and cured of his handicap. When he was questioned later about the incident, Rolling Thunder explained that the sick man's spirit had come to him the night before the ceremony and insisted that he promise to treat the man, since the unfortunate individual wouldn't have the courage to come forth and ask for help at the meeting himself.

https://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/rolling-thunder-native-american-medicine-man-zmaz81jazraw

The person with arthritic hands could easily have been a plant, set up in advance for this performance. Also in most any group, it is an easy guess that someone will have arthritis.

The claim of a cure could have just been staged or the target honestly did end up feeling momentarily better. None of this means Pope was an actual healer.

Sidian insists that anecdotes like these prove his grandfather was a Cherokee medicine man. Sidian even uses the word "shaman".  But they are just stories of the usual circus tent, faith healing, medicine show type performances.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 08:28:39 pm
I uploaded a helpful family photo here, sign in to see.

Russell Jones is Sidian's father

Stanley Krippner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Krippner ) is a grifter family enabler, he has written two books with Sidian

Spotted Fawn is one of "Rolling Thunder's" wives, I believe she is Helen (Hernadez) Pope http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=739.msg45426#msg45426

Ozella / Bundy Morning Star Jones, Sidian's mother. and if I got this right - Mala Pope's sister

A note on the Pope family: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=739.msg8913#msg8913
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 08:31:36 pm
More of the Cayce - Pope connection, something to be aware of with Sidian:

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For example, it's reported that several years ago Rolling Thunder agreed to conduct a healing ritual for a research group at the Edgar Cayce Foundation in Virginia Beach, Virginia. In addition to curing three patients with documented medical histories (who were selected beforehand by doctors at the conference), he treated a man who had severely crippled hands. However, Rolling Thunder first had to describe the individual's ailment so that the reluctant patient could be located in the audience and brought forward to be examined. After the healer told the audience to look for someone with gnarled, twisted hands hidden in his pockets, the "volunteer" was found, brought to the stage, and cured of his handicap. When he was questioned later about the incident, Rolling Thunder explained that the sick man's spirit had come to him the night before the ceremony and insisted that he promise to treat the man, since the unfortunate individual wouldn't have the courage to come forth and ask for help at the meeting himself.

https://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/rolling-thunder-native-american-medicine-man-zmaz81jazraw

The person with arthritic hands could easily have been a plant, set up in advance for this performance. Also in most any group, it is an easy guess that someone will have arthritis.

The claim of a cure could have just been staged or the target honestly did end up feeling momentarily better. None of this means Pope was an actual healer.

Sidian insists that anecdotes like these prove his grandfather was a Cherokee medicine man. Sidian even uses the word "shaman".  But they are just stories of the usual circus tent, faith healing, medicine show type performances.
. Lavandulou Seymour
My ex likes to say "there's a reason why (he) has full custody right now" as if the reason had ANYTHING to do with my actions, personal or otherwise. He has full custody at this time for the sole reason that I unknowingly failed to respond to his motion in time and the motion defaulted in his favor. I unknowingly missed a deadline, that is it. And then, despite seeking guidance from six lawyers who all failed to tell me that I could just request the courts to reverse the defaulted motion - I was told I could not even reopen the case unless I could prove there had been a substantial change in circumstances, which I could not for a long time. So NO, Sid, there is no "good reason" that you have full custody. The fact that you do is only a product of your abuse tactics - overwhelming me with dozens of false accusations, hitting me financially when you know I am at my weakest, and crossing your fingers that no one else notices.

How do you expect to go to mediation with me 7 hours away? Why is it that you made it seem you hadn't left town for over a month while I was trying to serve your lawyer, who for some reason isn't able to accept service for you? Despite that literally every lawyer should be able to do so? You have no interest in working with me to remedy the situation. You're only desire is for me to go away, and for you to have a sob story of a villain that you so graciously protected our children from. I wonder why you won't let me speak to them with that in mind, is it because maybe they would tell me something I could use against you? You've always claimed that I've been the one parentally alienate... Despite the years and years I spent single-handedly ensuring you had a relationship with either child. Yet here you are, telling the children horrible falsities about their own mother for them to believe. You allow them to think that I'm willingly not a part of their lives, that I've abandoned them. The only ones that benefit from this are you and Tasha. You get to be the good guy when you never have been, and Tasha gets to be a mommy without anyone else around to remind her she's not.

I'm not some mom who is unable to accept my child having another mother figure in their life. I know it's so easy for you to forget, given that it doesn't fit into your narrative so easily, but I spent years being a stepmother to your middle child. I loved that child like my own, from the very beginning. I fought for her to be in your life, to be a part of her siblings life. I was absolutely committed to making sure her own mother never felt her toes be stepped on, or that her position in her daughter's life was ever threatened. It was I that spent every day that sweet girl was with us reminding her that her mother loved her very much, and even helped her record cute little night Time videos saying good night to her mom because I knew she missed her because she was so young and I worried she didn't know how to express her feelings. I didn't sit there and make that child question if her own mother was a good person and if she loved her. I have never done anything like that.

And please, stop trying to act like either of you are advocates for anyone with mental health issues. Stop trying to tell everyone I'm crazy, as it is more than clear that your intention has only ever been to discredit me. You sidian - are prejudice against anyone who struggles with their mental health. What did you say to me once? That you wish you could just get rid of them? I have a file of screenshots specifically for those messages where you disparage against mental illness and those who have them. And tasha? Personally I have a hard time believing she even understands human emotion. Her messages to people on reddits suicide watch are dangerous. Hell, you both hate feminism! How's the book coming along, btw? Or did you drop that considering it wouldn't look so great now that you have a public image to uphold?

I don't understand how you can claim on national television to be people who are interested in philosophy, or even psychology. You are both clearly people who are lacking an education on either.
1 week ago
5     This is a post from the of his children that I found. He is surely dangerous if that’s the way he feels.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Diana on July 19, 2021, 11:06:05 pm
Hi Veri, I did an in depth look at the Pope family especially the grandfather and they are all white. I went back as far as the 1700s. White, white and more white. Lol! They have very extensive roots in Kentucky, Missouri, and Texas. Some in Iowa and Virginia.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Diana on July 19, 2021, 11:08:15 pm
I'll post the genealogy in the next few days. It'll take some time, but I'll get it down.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 11:10:13 pm
Hi Veri, I did an in depth look at the Pope family especially the grandfather and they are all white. I went back as far as the 1700s. White, white and more white. Lol! They have very extensive roots in Kentucky, Missouri, and Texas. Some in Iowa and Virginia.

So very white. With some more white. Yet Robert/Sidian Jones continues to insist that his grandpa was Cherokee.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 19, 2021, 11:16:08 pm
I'll post the genealogy in the next few days. It'll take some time, but I'll get it down.

Thank you so much for doing this. I've been looking over the records again, refreshing my memory, but I don't have the energy to organize and post the genealogy records.

I'll take on another task, I'll read one of Robert "Sidian"  Jones' books and post about that.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 19, 2021, 11:45:30 pm
#10: Rolling Thunder (1916-1997).
“His Western name was John Pope,” Mickey wrote. He met the Dead in 1967 and frequently stayed at Mickey’s ranch in the ‘70s, acting as a Shoshone medicine man. The Dead family were quite impressed with him; Jerilyn Brandelius wrote, “He came to heal and provide spiritual guidance to many of us through the years. He was a regular visitor at Mickey’s ranch with his warriors and while he was in residence, we got up for a sunrise ceremony every morning.”
Mickey named the barn studio and the album after him, even opening the album with his ‘Shoshone Invocation.’ The sunrise ceremony also inspired the Dead song ‘Sunrise.’
http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2018/07/1967-rolling-thunder.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Thunder_(person)
https://thegdwheel.com/page-72
https://thegdwheel.com/page-144/. I also found some info when I researched Billy Jack Medicine Man. Some where they are claiming the Billy Jack movie is based off RT.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: verity on July 20, 2021, 12:45:00 am
I was able to skim through the book "The Shamanic Powers of Rolling Thunder: As Experienced by Alberto Villoldo, John Perry Barlow, Larry Dossey, and Others" by Sidian Morning Star Jones and Stanley Krippner rather quickly, the book contains a lot of fluff filler that isn't specifically about RT (John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope).

Book contains stories from some frauds we know including:
Phillip Scott http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1282.0
Penny McKelvey AKA "Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=482.msg2222#msg2222
Alberto Villoldo http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=615.0

Several people say RT abused alcohol. And that he sized up all women as potential sexual partners. It is said that women were told that they could not stay at RT's camp unless they consented to sex.

RT said he had a dream that Quetzalcoatl merged with him and gave him powers.

He supposedly could summon rain storms and thunder, cause a tornado to help a Shoshone youth be freed from prison, block his image from a photograph being taken without his permission, tame wild animals, exorcise spirits by having the target paint their face with black ash, make his snake ring glow and lift its head, heal, hypnotize, and see into people's souls.

Phillip Scott never met RT but says RT helped heal and guide him. Several other people claim long distance healing and visions from RT.

RT interfered in discovered ancient burials.

For the "healing" work he did on people he used North American herbs, Chinese herbs and also pharmaceutical samples that medical doctors gave him.

He was a huge hit in Germany.

His followers romanticized and made him a saint, they wanted to have unusual experiences and so they had them. They excused how he treated woman as a sign that he was a strong shaman.

Penny McKelvey AKA "Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" had a long term relationship with one of his sons, Buffalo Horse. She makes excuses for RT's behavior but it sounds like she also stayed away from being alone with him. She says she eventually had to distance herself from him because of how he treated most women.

Sidian chose his name as a form of "obsidian", an obsidian scrying mirror. He sees himself as an occultist, potential cyber shaman, He only met his grandpa a few times. Once RT handed him a tomahawk and he thinks that means he is to carry on the family traditions.

Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 20, 2021, 01:04:05 am
I was able to skim through the book "The Shamanic Powers of Rolling Thunder: As Experienced by Alberto Villoldo, John Perry Barlow, Larry Dossey, and Others" by Sidian Morning Star Jones and Stanley Krippner rather quickly, the book contains a lot of fluff filler that isn't specifically about RT (John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope).

Book contains stories from some frauds we know including:
Phillip Scott http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1282.0
Penny McKelvey AKA "Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=482.msg2222#msg2222
Alberto Villoldo http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=615.0. I think Sid maybe using Psychedelics in his manipulative behavior. Plastic Shaman stuff.  and I have read of other members of his family drugging people.

Several people say RT abused alcohol. And that he sized up all women as potential sexual partners. It is said that women were told that they could not stay at RT's camp unless they consented to sex.

RT said he had a dream that Quetzalcoatl merged with him and gave him powers.

He supposedly could summon rain storms and thunder, cause a tornado to help a Shoshone youth be freed from prison, block his image from a photograph being taken without his permission, tame wild animals, exorcise spirits by having the target paint their face with black ash, make his snake ring glow and lift its head, heal, hypnotize, and see into people's souls.

Phillip Scott never met RT but says RT helped heal and guide him. Several other people claim long distance healing and visions from RT.

RT interfered in discovered ancient burials.

For the "healing" work he did on people he used North American herbs, Chinese herbs and also pharmaceutical samples that medical doctors gave him.

He was a huge hit in Germany.

His followers romanticized and made him a saint, they wanted to have unusual experiences and so they had them. They excused how he treated woman as a sign that he was a strong shaman.

Penny McKelvey AKA "Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" had a long term relationship with one of his sons, Buffalo Horse. She makes excuses for RT's behavior but it sounds like she also stayed away from being alone with him. She says she eventually had to distance herself from him because of how he treated most women.

Sidian chose his name as a form of "obsidian", an obsidian scrying mirror. He sees himself as an occultist, potential cyber shaman, He only met his grandpa a few times. Once RT handed him a tomahawk and he thinks that means he is to carry on the family traditions.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 20, 2021, 01:06:33 am
I was able to skim through the book "The Shamanic Powers of Rolling Thunder: As Experienced by Alberto Villoldo, John Perry Barlow, Larry Dossey, and Others" by Sidian Morning Star Jones and Stanley Krippner rather quickly, the book contains a lot of fluff filler that isn't specifically about RT (John Walter "Rolling Thunder" Pope).

Book contains stories from some frauds we know including:
Phillip Scott http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1282.0
Penny McKelvey AKA "Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=482.msg2222#msg2222
Alberto Villoldo http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=615.0. I think Sid maybe using Psychedelics in his manipulative behavior. Plastic Shaman stuff.  and I have read of other members of his family drugging people.

Several people say RT abused alcohol. And that he sized up all women as potential sexual partners. It is said that women were told that they could not stay at RT's camp unless they consented to sex.

RT said he had a dream that Quetzalcoatl merged with him and gave him powers.

He supposedly could summon rain storms and thunder, cause a tornado to help a Shoshone youth be freed from prison, block his image from a photograph being taken without his permission, tame wild animals, exorcise spirits by having the target paint their face with black ash, make his snake ring glow and lift its head, heal, hypnotize, and see into people's souls.

Phillip Scott never met RT but says RT helped heal and guide him. Several other people claim long distance healing and visions from RT.

RT interfered in discovered ancient burials.

For the "healing" work he did on people he used North American herbs, Chinese herbs and also pharmaceutical samples that medical doctors gave him.

He was a huge hit in Germany.

His followers romanticized and made him a saint, they wanted to have unusual experiences and so they had them. They excused how he treated woman as a sign that he was a strong shaman.

Penny McKelvey AKA "Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" had a long term relationship with one of his sons, Buffalo Horse. She makes excuses for RT's behavior but it sounds like she also stayed away from being alone with him. She says she eventually had to distance herself from him because of how he treated most women.

Sidian chose his name as a form of "obsidian", an obsidian scrying mirror. He sees himself as an occultist, potential cyber shaman, He only met his grandpa a few times. Once RT handed him a tomahawk and he thinks that means he is to carry on the family traditions.

. I apologize I’m am new to this type of forum so don’t know how to delete or edit. I heard Sid used psychedelics in his con like a typical plastic shaman.
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on July 20, 2021, 01:23:22 am
I joined the Facebook page for this site and I can’t see all the comments so I’m guessing some of the accounts I have blocked so I’m  thinking it is Sidiot or his followers making comments in that group also.
Title: Re: Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Sparks on July 21, 2021, 01:55:55 am
Sidian Jones runs this https://www.facebook.com/VoiceOfRollingThunder

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Official page for Rolling Thunder, managed by his grandson Sidian Jones. RT was an inter-tribal medicine man/shaman/teacher. Order the book today

The second book he wrote with Stanley Krippner is "The Shamanic Powers of Rolling Thunder: As Experienced by Alberto Villoldo, John Perry Barlow, Larry Dossey, and Others:.

I've looked over a sample. Sidian Jones is determined to portray his grandfather as a medicine man and a charismatic miracle worker.

(My boldings above.) By now Rolling Thunder has been mentioned 40 times in this thread (including quotes).

The two latest topics on the mentioned Facebook page criticises two of the sources of this Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Thunder_(person) [Recently linked to (but not commented or quoted) by Mooseman,]

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Rolling Thunder (birth name: John Walter Pope, 1916–1997) was a hippie spiritual leader who self-identified as a Native American medicine man. He was raised in Oklahoma and later moved to Nevada.[3][better source needed] He has been considered an example of a plastic medicine man.
[…]
Controversy
Rolling Thunder's given name was John Pope, not Rolling Thunder.[4] Rolling Thunder appears in taped interviews with John Trudell and Michael Chosa in which he describes the contemporary treatment of Native Americans.[5] At times he claimed to be part Cherokee,[4] at other times Hopi, and at other times Shoshone and that he could represent the Western Shoshone Nation.[6] He never provided proof of any Native heritage, nor have any Native people claimed him. He has been cited as an example of a plastic medicine man.[7][8][9] Rolling Thunder is mentioned in a number of books on the New Age, 60's counterculture, cultural appropriation, cultural imperialism, and neoshamanism.[10][11]
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Sparks on July 21, 2021, 02:02:14 am
I joined the Facebook page for this site and I can’t see all the comments so I’m guessing some of the accounts I have blocked so I’m  thinking it is Sidiot or his followers making comments in that group also.

My bolding. What’s the URL for the Facebook Page (?) or Group you are referring to here?
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on November 20, 2021, 08:13:14 pm
I’m confused as to why you didn’t ask this question on the forum?



You have just been sent a personal message by Sparks on NAFPS Forum.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

I noticed you were active today reading your messages. I hope you will reply to my question four months ago. I want to learn more mostly because I have friends who believe ”Rolling Thunder” was an authentic ”shaman":

Quote from: Sparks on July 21, 2021, 03:02:14 am


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Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Sparks on November 20, 2021, 08:46:11 pm
I’m confused as to why you didn’t ask this question on the forum?

I did ask the question here in the NAFPS forum, this thread, four months ago.

Now you are quoting my recent PM, which points to this thread. That makes me confused!
Title: Re: Robert Russell Cayc Jones AKA Sidian Jones AKA Morning Star
Post by: Mooseman on November 20, 2021, 08:52:27 pm
If you have friends that think he is a shaman I would suggest pointing them here.