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kgirl_7:
I just came across this website http://ghostchild.com and from the outside it seemed like a pretty decent website dealing with indigenous issues except delving deeper I found this statement from a person claiming to be chief of the Anishnabe Nation:

"Clarification From Kaneekaneet
on 2005/9/4 1:35:29 (71 reads)

The following is the full text of a statement by Kaneekaneet:

September 3, 2005

To Those It May Concern;

I am Kitche O-Stew Kanee Kanagoshick Okimowcon KaneeKaneet. I am the Seventh Generation Traditional Inherent Head Chief of the Anishinabe Nations of the Great Turtle Island as my Grandfathers. I am a “Pipe Carrier??? I now possess “Four Sacred Pipes???. I am also the Head Chief of the League of Indian Nations of North America (Canada). I signed the membership cards of the league. I am further recognized by the United Indian Nations of the Great Turtle Island (United Nations).

I do not know how to speak my traditional language because my grandparents and parents were in residential school, but I am learning a little as each day passes through the patience of the elder pipe carriers. They say the language; I have to learn is the ceremonial Soto or High Soto.

As of my title, this is how they say I have to pronounce it. Kitche, means grand or great. O-Stew, means biggest, Kaneekanagoshick, means head, Okimowcon, means chief. KakaneKaneet, name I was born with, Kakaneet, means the leader, the one that always walks first, or tobacco, because the Traditional Indian, always uses the tobacco first in everything they do.

I am the son of Thunderbird Keeper [Gordon Johns Agecoutay] who was the son of [ Albert Johns Agecoutay] (Indian Name unknown at this time) who was the son of Okimowcon Antapay [Henry Johns Agecoutay] he received his title from his brother Okimowcon Muscowpetung who received his titled from Kitche O-Stew KaKaneekagoshik Okimowcon Chee-ee-Kuk (The Worthy One, the giver of all good), and identified by Queen Victoria as her brother in the letter of 1834 to King Chief of Canada. Reaffirming the bargain of 1665."....

You can read the full statement on the website.http://ghostchild.com/news+article.storyid+47.htm
I think he's been arrested in Canada for growing marijuana or possessing it or something. Anyway, his statement seems kinda...new-agey.

Anyway he has a website: http://anishinabe.org and if you click on the link "Adoption Program" and scroll down you can see that you can be adopted into the Anishinabe for a mere $20,500!!

Ok now that I look more at the site, the more I'm thinking this guy is a real fraud. I don't know if he's really Anishnaabe or not though.

Scott Brainard:
Ghostchild.com seems to be rather benign, but the entry by "KaNeeKaNeet" and anishinabe.org appear to be more interested in pot smoking than native Anishinaabe traditions.

I've nothing against pot or its use in ceremony by those whose traditions include it...but I don't think marijuana (at least, the kind that does anything when you smoke it) existed anywhere within the traditional range of the Anishinaabeg until it was brought up there in post-Columbus times.

The adoption scheme and "investment fund" mentioned on anishinabe.org are also highly suspect.

educatedindian:
Hi Scott. I agree they're not in the same class of usual frauds we look at. But there's all kinds of weirdness going on that's more at the fringe of the fringe of politics. Agecourtay reminds me of the would be Cherokee "Oukah", someone whose ancestor was made a chief/emperor/sovereign by the British and now is making all kinds of elbaroate claims. Gotta love it on one level though. Who else would have the gall to claim Canada is not a nation and just exists to be a servant for NDNs?

Agecourtay seems to mostly be a front man. The site's real owners. Don't those photos just inspire confidence? And the text just cries out for satire.
http://ghostchild.com/wfchannel+index.pagenum+8.htm
"40 year old disabled single father of two living in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Ogimowcon Nepa Ka Nee Pa Wit has, to put it mildly, lived a long hard life. At the age of six he was labelled retarded by doctors, at age 12 he was living on the streets, then he lived in several foster homes where we has terribly abused -- he eventually went back to the streets. When he was eighteen, Moon met a well-known psychologist that took him in and convinced him to go to Chedoke-Mcmaster's Cool School program; where he and 11 others were socially experimented on, and studied. Since then there has been an endless stream of social and political injustice tossed at him, from all levels of government."

And get this:
"everywhere he turns, he is abused and taken advantage of: Professors, Doctors, Social Workers, MP's, Chiropractors, the MMF, the AFN, disability groups, Lawyers....
The picture shown here, is of Moon holding a Pipe he carved a few years ago. Moon has been carving for over 20 years now....Many of the Pipes Moon has carved are treated as he has been. Many have been stolen, broken, and treated terribly. Moon told me to say here that he forgives those who were disrespectful."

Break out the violins. I suspect his pipes were mostly broken by people who were irritated by the guy.
And his partner. Cry me a river.
"Ahni has not had much life experience. He was an activist for several years, but stopped once he realized how counter-productive it was; that there had to be a better way to get things done. After this, many health problems arose from being malnourished and hormonally imbalanced. Ahni then turned to himself: to move forward from where his family, friends and all of society left him to emotionally, spiritually, and physically rot."

They both seem both incredibly naive and obsessed at the same time. Notice the causes they champion and how they go about it. Thinking Agecourtay being ticketed for growing pot is "High Treason"?

Their forums are something else, with names like moonchild. Nobody is named Bob or Mary.

A lot of the siet is also taken up with the cause of the "Moors". These are the same people the Nation of Islam started off as part of, the "Moorish Science" movement. It includes everyone from thre Nuwaubians and Washi taws to people within the militia movements.

Ahniwanika:
Hello. I just thought if people are going to sit around and judge people and make all sorts of assumptions... and petty remarks about me... I would step in. First of all, the comment about the Moors:...Actually, I'll pass this on to the Moor that runs that forum and let him speak for himself.

Second, your comment about being Naive and obsessed:If you call two disabled and poor people who are doing everything they can with next to nothing to effect mutually beneficial lasting change in a meaningful way: naive and obssesed, then yes, I guess we are...

Next, I wrote that about page. I admit, I actually had no idea what to write, so I tried to represent who we are and what we've been through. Would you prefer a CV, or a list of accomplishments? Well, if the point was to brag and enfranchise ourselves, then maybe, but we are just people, not unlike you or anyone else, and yes we're kinda messed up. Modern civilization has this funny habit of doing that to people.

As for the Pipe comment. I'm going to assume you don't know much about Pipes, otherwise you would not speak about a Pipe or someone breaking them so lightly. Pipes are not created for you to mock and insult the Pipe or the one who brought it forth. The fact is the Pipes are broken because the People who ask for or need the Pipes are not taught the Ways of the Pipe.. they toss 'em in the back of the truck disrespecfully, let them just sit around, or get drunk and bring them into a ceremony, thus breaking the Trust the Pipe requires from us... and the Pipes were stolen and sold at an absurd price to someone else I might add, because the person had little respect for something as Sacred as the Truth, which is what Pipe represents.

As for all the stuff about Kaneekaneet, and the situation with the Marijuana, I do agree with some of what's been said here. For instance the get adopted thing. I've been asking for that to be removed for a long time... but Kaneekaneet did not do that, a "lawyer"  named Pat (don't know his last name) from toronto did that and a bunch of other silly things too, which I won't get into here, to which I add he's since left and that particular matter will be dealt with once this RCMP stuff is resolved.

But that he is a front? You weren't really clear about that, a front for what? (noting Kaneekaneet came to us last year, the site's been running for 3 years now...)

Yes, what Kaneekaneet says are "claims," but instead of assuming and categorizing, why don't you investigate first. I invite you to find a way to contact Wolverine (the elder that was involved in Gustafsen Lake)  he'd be more than willing to confirm these "claims." Actually we found out about two Months ago that shortly, Wolverine will be going to meet Kaneekanet to give him something from Chief Seattle at the Request of the Women from the West. Also, the reason Marijuana is being addressed, is because he and 25 of his family members were just arrested for marijuana posession. He is in jail as I write. See http://ghostchild.com/newbb+viewtopic.topic_id+100+forum+4.htm for more info.

As for Canada not being a Nation... I'll just say, Canada is not a legal Nation. It was founded fraudulently (It's a legal fact that is well known. If you do some heavy reading you will see it) on genocide, and maintained itself at the expense of our women and childern, complete with Legislation to confirm it (take a look at the library on the site)... It replaced the Sovereingty of Indigneous People with "Indian Soveriegnty," reducing us to having the authority of a municipality... it has literally switched the roles of Indigenous Nations on their Land to a Foreign Government on someone elses land. And with that in mind, we see what you are talking about educatedindian, that the Indigneous People are subordinate to Canada, yes?

Lastly, If I seem defensive or offended, it is because I am. Not at anyone or anything here though but the person I'm addressing this message to, educatedindian.  Nonetheless I respect your words just as anyone elses. I just ask that you please be more thurough before you start accusing and assuming... and if you want to actually serve the people with the work that you do here, as I've said to many others in the past, why don't you also take some time to address the Real Frauds that're around us. I mean, the Canadian Government participated in killing 50,000 Indigenous kids in Canada, they have a law that legalized sexually sterilizing women, and you're going to attack us?

Respecftully, There is nothing plastic about us. We are very much real.

Ahniwanika (John Schertow)
3-601 William Ave
Winnipeg, MB
R3A 0K1
Canada
1-204-775-6554  

Willow Aliento:
G'Day everyone,
I am one of the members of Ghostchild, and have come here to see what you had to say.  I went and read the objectives of your site and I think I agree with all of them, and also cannot see how in principle Ghostchild is against them.

II live in Australia, and here in the Northern NSW area where I live there are some very very irritating Plastic Shamans and wild & colourful New Age freaks.  When Osho's cult fell down, they brought all the money and cultishness here.  There are people who will charge hundreds of dollars for a 'Native Wisdom" workshop -- I have been meaning to take a copy of the Lakota Declaration of war against cultural exploiters around to some of the really flagrant folks, those selling "dreamcatchers" for rearview mirrors which have been made in Taiwan type thing, but that might be too confrontational an approach.

But there are also plenty of Native Bundjalung People here too, plenty good Celts, good Native or part Native people from the US, Africa, Canada, South America and Asia, all quietly getting on with their authentic spiritual practices.  I feel you may be missing the folks at Ghostchild of this ilk.

One problem is that we ARE at the site attempting to express concepts which come out in English in ways which the New Age movement has made easy to despise.  But if you look behind the way things are said (and the current pot smoking thread which got your attention) you will see members are involved outside the site on real life issues such as anti-uranium mining campaigning, conservation and ecological restoration, water conservation, the Canadian Indian Residential School survivors campaign, alternatives to Casinos for sustainable tribal income on reservation lands, international human rights abuses, expansion of multinationals into new Tribal territories world-wide, education, health, housing and whether we should or should not be at war in Iraq (or anywhere else).  Also it is a place where people from different countries and cultures learn about each other, without being filtered by news editors or political agendas of our governments.

As to the whole "canada is a legal fiction", well it is.  Just as the "United Kingdom" is a fiction on every level.  it is a construct made by a process of battles and negotiations by people who had no clear and genuine jurisdiction over the people and country they drew lines on.  The Colonial side of the treaty bargains has not been adhered to, and furthermore there has been a systematic attempt to disempower and fragment Native tribes in order to have access to the natural resources on their land -- Black Hills of Dakota -- need I say more?

Further, if one studies the basis of British law, which is the foundation of Canada (or the Us or Australia), one disovers that it is also full of holes, and never arose from the Native culture of the Island we got it from.  have a read of the Magna carta some time, and remember that in 1066, the whole Welsh-Gaelic-Anglo-Saxon-Jutish-Danish-Celtic upper strata of British society was pretty much assassinated, and replaced with Normans (their ancestors were the tribe known as the Franks, a warlike patriarchal bunch, if you read the history anyway. I've just got a copy of Caesars conquest of gaul, so my opinion of the Normans might change after that, its based only on what I've learned so far).  The Brehon Laws of Ireland are also very much worth reading, it was the English who threw them out finally in the 1500s.  But the Brehon laws pre-dated Chrstianity, and go a long way toward explaining why the Irish are still so different to the English.

While I think it unlikely this academic discovery that Canada (and Australia) do not really exist in law will make our governments pack up their toys and go home, it is a liberating perspective from which to consider such topics as reconciliation between peoples, the restoration of native culture and religion, and also the changing of Western society's current ecologically destructive course for something a little less frightening and more likely to survive for seven generations and longer.

It also makes one aware that an unpleasant reality does hold within itself certain fundamental incongruities which will inevitably precipitate change.  A Philosophical fulcrum, if you like.

I hope to read more at your site of the different things you all think, as I do think I need to arm my mind better to do something about the plastics here, if only to know what to say more clearly.

Best wishes from Mummulgum NSW
Willow Aliento
(yes, that really is my real legal name.  And the one I work under, so I have to live by every word I post. (oh yes, and that's Mrs, lots of people seem to assume I'm a bloke.  I don't know why that is.)

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