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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: Twinkie_Slayer on September 01, 2010, 05:05:27 pm
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Does anyone know of this man Lessert Moore? He is, apparently, an enrolled member of OST living here in N. California. He sometimes uses the title "Chief Whirlwind". From what I have heard recently he is claiming to be a medicine man and seems to be "teaching" a number of white groupies in my area from his home in Ukiah, CA. It seems like some of the local Woo Merchants list him as a teacher.
http://www.joyadler.com/healing/bio.htm (http://www.joyadler.com/healing/bio.htm)
http://www.spiritualawarenesscounseling.com/meet.htm (http://www.spiritualawarenesscounseling.com/meet.htm)
http://www.givingspiritform.com/facilitator.html (http://www.givingspiritform.com/facilitator.html)
If anyone has any other info on him it would be appreciated.
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Does anyone know of this man Lessert Moore? He is, apparently, an enrolled member of OST living here in N. California. He sometimes uses the title "Chief Whirlwind". From what I have heard recently he is claiming to be a medicine man and seems to be "teaching" a number of white groupies in my area from his home in Ukiah, CA. It seems like some of the local Woo Merchants list him as a teacher.
http://www.spiritualawarenesscounseling.com/meet.htm (http://www.spiritualawarenesscounseling.com/meet.htm)
If anyone has any other info on him it would be appreciated.
"http://www.spiritualawarenesscounseling.com/meet.htm
Signficant teachers of mine include:
... Lessert Moore, Rick Thomas & Patti Thomas, Lakota Elders ..."
The common thing that all three share is Norbert Running. Norbert made the mistake of trusting people around him. Lessert Moore and Rick Thomas used to insist on occupying prominent places in Norbert's Ironwood sundance. They exploited the easy-going Norbert and the Lakota of Rosebud. Patty Thomas, Rick's sister, later married Norbert and moved him away from Rosebud after Norman, Norbert's oldest son, made life difficult for her. She, like Harold and Alva ("White Horse") Thompson, represented an economic threat to Norman's planned conquest over Norbert's lucrative Ironwood sundance.
Norman ordered Patty out of Norbert's house on Rosebud and Norbert sat there and didn't do a thing. She packed her things and left. Then Norbert moved to Santee to live with Patty.
Norbert later left Patty. He returned to Rosebud but he couldn't return to his own home. One of his daughters had taken it over and wouldn't let him back into his own house, on his own land. Norbert was an easy-going guy. So Norbert moved to a trailer way out in the middle of no-where, near the tribal buffalo range. Lessert saw the opportunity to exploit Norbert's homelessness and sundanceless condition. Over the years, Lessert had compiled mailing lists of visitors, sundancers and supporters when he participated at the old Ironwood sundance and when he saw the opportunity to "legitimize" a plan for his own sundance by exploiting Norbert's old sundance (the same way Albert White Hat, Florentine Blue Thunder and Steve McCullogh had done), he used his mailing lists to solicit money from distant, off-reservation and non-Indian names on the lists and to promote his "Four Winds" sundance. It was held near Norbert's trailer and Norbert occupied a prominent place in Lessert's sundance although Lessert was the ostensible, and visible, big cheese of the whole event.
Lessert even had a flag waving beside the road, like a used car lot, promoting "4 WINDS SUNDANCE". "4WINDS" was on the first line and, without serifs on the "D", it looked like "4WINOS SUNDANCE". The few sundancers who participated were non-indigenous, white.
So, Lessert Moore, like Rick & Patty Thomas, is a self-promoter. But unlike Rick & Patty (who are Dakota and not Lakota), Lessert may actually be an enrolled member of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe.
Enrolled or not, the exploitation of Lakota spiritual traditions for ones own benefit is unacceptable and needs to be publicly condemned.
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Thanks for the information. The people that I've encountered who claim Lessert as a "teacher" have all been hooked up with that Ina Maka (Norman's?) sundance and are all non native.
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Does anyone know of this man Lessert Moore? He is, apparently, an enrolled member of OST living here in N. California. He sometimes uses the title "Chief Whirlwind". From what I have heard recently he is claiming to be a medicine man and seems to be "teaching" a number of white groupies in my area from his home in Ukiah, CA. It seems like some of the local Woo Merchants list him as a teacher.
http://www.joyadler.com/healing/bio.htm (http://www.joyadler.com/healing/bio.htm)
http://www.spiritualawarenesscounseling.com/meet.htm (http://www.spiritualawarenesscounseling.com/meet.htm)
http://www.givingspiritform.com/facilitator.html (http://www.givingspiritform.com/facilitator.html)
If anyone has any other info on him it would be appreciated.
ok lemme ask who do you think you guys are of course he is lakota i know the guy he is my uncle and yes he is enrolled just because he is light colored you guys make up thinks to say let me see you guys picture you guys just hiding behind a pc talking smack shoot i bet you guys wish you guys knew half what he knew but apparently you guys dont know your head from your own ass but my uncle says not to fight or argue so my relations i just pray for you
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oh my all people did was ask about him
calm down, this is the research page where if people
don't know about someone they ask here
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you know i see you guys hide behind the pc you wont say your name because you guys are scared
If anyone has any other info on him it would be appreciated.
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twinkie slayer whats your name are you scared because we know you just some wannabe guy trying to act like he knows it all
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Likeman, if your Uncle says not to fight or argue why are you going against his wishes? If you would like to have an adult conversation then perhaps you could refute some of the statements being made about him?
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i am being adult but who is hiding behind a pc is all i said but i dont like fighting but who is twikie slayer right to right to say that about my uncle?
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Likeman, in doing the work that NAFPS does the choice by some members to remain annonymous is understandable. As earth said, Lessert Moore is listed in research needed. Twinkie slayer simply asked if anyone had ever heard abut your Uncle, and said thank you for information that had been provided. I am sure that if your Uncle is conducting himself appropriately and cares about protection of culture he would completely understand.
ETA- Likeman if you are truely concerned about your Uncles reputation I would suggest googling his name and taking a peek a the amount of questionable individuals naming him as their teacher and making a buck off of the culture.
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Twinkle star ,and those concerned, About My father ? My Biological Dad Lessert Moore .
this is his daughter Terra moore .
I would appreciate it if you would take this all down and get to the man , my father Lessert Moore yourself and ask him the question you want to know . I am guess after reading these pathetic miss understanding comments that have been saiding about my Dad ,and his Tunkasila "relatives" . I have to comment to you about your hiding not showing your name or trying to stay uncover in some oddly reason , should said and judging the person along with what kind of rakish personality you have as will. well it's not very charming or dishing to post thing's about other that you have no clue or ideal about.meaning my dad Lessert moore .
so to enclose this statement , about my dad and all our relatives you are disrespecting . I will let you know my father Lessert Moore has nothing to hide and if you would like to know more about him have the courage to ask him yourself . Not having to play childish internet posting game about a man that is very loving and would do anything for his native people . I will not trash your name . just please delete this posting .
Mitakuye Oyasin
terra.moore@rocketmail.com ;D
Mitakuyapi, Tunkasila Wakan Tanka awanniyankpi kta na niyawastepi kta ca waceciciya pelo. Mitakuye Oyasin.
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Twinkle star ,and those concerned, About My father ? My Biological Dad Lessert Moore .
this is his daughter Terra moore .
I would appreciate it if you would take this all down and get to the man , my father Lessert Moore yourself and ask him the question you want to know . I am guess after reading these pathetic miss understanding comments that have been saiding about my Dad ,and his Tunkasila "relatives" . I have to comment to you about your hiding not showing your name or trying to stay uncover in some oddly reason , should said and judging the person along with what kind of rakish personality you have as will. well it's not very charming or dishing to post thing's about other that you have no clue or ideal about.meaning my dad Lessert moore .
Terra, I explained to Likeman about the some individuals desire to remain annonymous. NAFPS is not about being charming. Our goal is to expose cultural exploitation. As I said to Likeman, if Lessert has done nothing wrong than I am sure would understand an individual having concerns when things don't look particularly copacetic.
so to enclose this statement , about my dad and all our relatives you are disrespecting . I will let you know my father Lessert Moore has nothing to hide and if you would like to know more about him have the courage to ask him yourself . Not having to play childish internet posting game about a man that is very loving and would do anything for his native people . I will not trash your name . just please delete this posting .
Mitakuye Oyasin
terra.moore@rocketmail.com ;D
Mitakuyapi, Tunkasila Wakan Tanka awanniyankpi kta na niyawastepi kta ca waceciciya pelo. Mitakuye Oyasin.
If he has nothing to hide and cares about his people then it would seem that he would advocate protection of ceremony and culture. I would think that if you were concerned about his reputation (which will speak for itsself if he is doing nothing wrong) you would be contacting the people who are using his name to promote themselves.
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Twinkle star ,and those concerned, About My father ? My Biological Dad Lessert Moore .
this is his daughter Terra moore .
I would really appreciate it if you would take this all these posting down and get to know my father Lessert Moore, for yourself and ask him the question's you want to know . after reading these pathetic miss understanding comments that have been said about my Dad ,and his Tunkasila "relatives" . I feel it's in my right to comment back to you about your hiding not showing your name or trying to stay uncover in some oddly reason is wearing a mask on his face , should say is all and judging the person along with what kind of rakish personality you have as will. well it's not very charming or dishing to post thing's about other that you have no clue or ideal about.meaning my dad Lessert moore .
so to enclose this statement , about my dad and all our relatives you are disrespecting . I will let you know my father Lessert Moore has nothing to hide and if you would like to know more about him have the courage to ask him yourself . Not having to play childish internet posting game about a man that is very loving and would do anything for his native people . I will not trash your name . just please delete this posting .
Mitakuye Oyasin
terra.moore@rocketmail.com ;D
Mitakuyapi, Tunkasila Wakan Tanka awanniyankpi kta na niyawastepi kta ca waceciciya pelo. Mitakuye Oyasin.
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hau to all the b.s that is on this post about me,
this is lessert moore itacha wami omi ska chief white whirl wind
thank you my nephew and daughter for your loving friendship;;;;;
ok who want to now about me ,,,come see me in person ,,,and yes i do live in ukiah ca
be a man and dont hide ....only cowards hide be hind words
that what we call wacusuis
i have nothing to hide do you......?????? im LAKOTA AND WILL ALWAY BE LAKOTA ,,,AND AM IN ROLLED IN THE OGALALA TRIBE.....so dont start some thing you can t handle if you can show your face
custer did this and look what happened to him ...........i have 50 yrs of lakota tradition and ceremonies
in my blood ......and i dont sell my way of live or traditon,,,,and remember if your white your just a guest to my way of life ......remember your a visitor and no morethat that ......so if you want to talk come see me twinke killer.....be a man ......
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Hi Lessert, this is just a research page where we can ask questions,
No need to get up in arms we have a right to ask,even in our tribal
communties we have that right.
Who are we well we are a mixture of people. Tribal people and non tribal people
I would be in a uproar if your name was in the fraud list which it is not. We get
request we do the research and if the complaints are unfounded you are put in the list
of non frauds and we go on to research the next one.
My name is TaMakewastewin enrolled member of the
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe which is where i live. We tend not to use our
real name on this post because of the attacks from the frauds they like to attacked
people because we interfer with them making money so they get all up in arms
about their incomes they amke off our people.
Everyone can question a man and if they are lies truth will win out,
what has happen to our people today is we are nice to people then they
take and use our name and our ways to promote themselves by charging
money. This is not our culture nor our ways.
You seen to have some people who use your name to make money. Today the world is an open book so research is need.
Peace we all need to find the truth so that our people will live.
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It is clear that the person putting him down here only knew Norbert, not Lessert.
And honestly, I don't know Lessert either, am not a student, but I know of him.
Lessert Moore is a True Heart. He is a Shaman, a healer and has been a teacher for some
time. His references are IMPECCABLE. How do I know this?
Thru Spirit.
Years ago I had a dream that I was camping out with others doing ceremony, and I was
invited into a tent and came face to face with Grandfather. I woke up, thought
it was an interesting dream, told others and thought no more of it. 1 year later (in June)
I had the exact same dream. The following week I was invited by friends to a Sundance that
was to take place in the Black Hills, the first to be allowed in the Ancesterial Ceremonial
Grounds by the U.S.Forest Service. As I prepared to go, I felt presence around me and
began hearing excited voices in my right ear saying "Crazy Horse! Crazy Horse!" over and
over again. This was unusual for me to say the least. So I took with me an emblem which
was a white horse with flying wings. I didn't know why I took it, just decided to.
When I got to my friends house (the man, an Indian, was Lessert's student and was piercing
at the Sundance) I was shown a picture of Lessert and told that he was a direct decendant
of Crazy Horse! Whooaah! That was weird! I went to the Sundance with my friends and
have to say, it was the single most significant experience of my life. Lessert's wife was giving
birth during the Sundance, and I gave the flying horse emblem to someone in the family to give
them. That Sundance totally changed my life, turned it around. I am much more connected to
the earth than ever. He is doing good work, and everyone should know by now that if we are
to have any good future here on mother earth, all races, yellow, black, white and red must
learn to get over their issues and become one family.
The man IS a Shaman, a healer, and a True Heart that follows his inner vision.
Any student of his is lucky to have found him. :)
I came on this site looking to find out if Lessert was organizing any more Sundances as I
committed to going to 4 in my lifetime, and have done only 2. I found this thread and decided
to comment. As I was driving my car this morning I saw a hawk flying so looked up to follow
its flight, and then a beautiful bald eagle, its white head and tailfeathers so clear, crossed its
path and flew over my car maybe 15 feet over me! I was so thrilled, and took it as I sign that
I should respond to this thread. ;D Good Luck to Lessert in any of his endeavors! And may none
have any doubt he is doing the work of Grandfather!
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Was gone to say something, but I will not
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Sooooo Jasmine, when did shamanism become part of Lakota culture? I'm not familiar with that having happened and I think our Lakota members here are going to be equally surprised.
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The questioner asked about Lessert Moore. I simply responded my viewpoint, and my response was from my heart. I consider Lessert a cut above the usual Medicine Man, because from what I know about him,
he ministers to ALL people. From what I understand about him, his focus seems to be the dream
of Crazy Horse, that all races would come together. That is why I said Shaman rather than Medicine Man.
I am sorry, I did not realize that only Lakota could write here.
Maybe you better remove me from the list.
But thank you anyway.
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I am sorry, I did not realize that only Lakota could write here.This forum is not only for the Lakota. I do not know where you @ Jasmine got that from.
Smart Mule was only trying to correct/educate you in your usage of the word Shaman and how the Lakota people do not use this word.
I am a little puzzle myself from your words. There are many things that should not be spoken about in public.
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Hi Jasmine, how about you go to the Member Introductions thread and tell us a bit about yourself. It's something we ask all new posters here to do. Thanks.
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The questioner asked about Lessert Moore. I simply responded my viewpoint, and my response was from my heart. I consider Lessert a cut above the usual Medicine Man, because from what I know about him,
he ministers to ALL people. From what I understand about him, his focus seems to be the dream
of Crazy Horse, that all races would come together. That is why I said Shaman rather than Medicine Man.
I am sorry, I did not realize that only Lakota could write here.
Maybe you better remove me from the list.
But thank you anyway.
Could you please show me where I said that only Lakota could post here?
As comeswithfire stated correctly I was simply trying to educate. Comeswithfire was also correct in saying that there are many things that should not be spoken about in public.
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"It is clear that the person putting him down here only knew Norbert, not Lessert.
And honestly, I don't know Lessert either, am not a student, but I know of him."
No one was putting Lessert down, just asking a question as there are questionable people who sell ceremonies using his name as a teacher. One thing you said that makes me wonder is that he is a direct descendant of Crazy Horse as several families are descendants (Big Crow, Goings) but I have never heard the name Moore as a descendant.
The problem has occurred over and over when someone shares the ceremonies that then those who were allowed to participate feel they have the right to perform the ceremony and will use the name of a Lakota teacher to justify what they are doing - perhaps this is the case with Lessert Moore and perhaps he should try to stop those using his name to make a buck.
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hi@ everyone. I feel I need to repley. I am a memeber of the lenape Unami people. I have know Lessert Moore for a long time.
I will write a true story here about him. When I was in collage at UNM, I attended Lesserts inpi. Being far away from my home on the east coast, it was a comfort for me to be with other Native peoples. My mother went on during that time, and I became ill. I starting having seizures, and was pretty much walking around in a fog. I continued to go to the inpi. One evening I was inside the lodge and I started to have the feeling that a seziur was coming on, I poked my sister just before it started and told her that I had to get out. Lessert had the door man open the door and I can remember everything getting out of focus. I was laying in the door of the lodge half way outside. I could hear Lessert saying she´s haveing a seizur, give me that...I woke up later outside of the lodge feeling clear as a bell. A frined of mine was sitting with me, she said LEssert had chewed up some herbs and spit them into my mouth, which stopped the seizur. If any of you know what its like to have a seizur you know that usualy you are all foggy afterwards for a long time. I was clear minded. Days afterward I felt better and better, Lessert encourged me to talk about my horriable past with the others, he sat by me and put his hand on my back, kept me upright when I felt like I would fall. I have great respect for this man and am honored to call him Uncle. He is a real healer, one that knows the lakota ways and knows about healing herbs. I feel that we should respect him here. I have gotten to a point in my life where I can give back what I have recieved from this good man. I asked him how will I pay you back for what you did, he said give to the poor People out on the rez. So That´s what I am doing. I collect money from people and donate it to buy propane for the Peoples out there that are cold. I will be giving thanks my whole life long, because Lessert Moore helped me out in my life when I was going through a hard time.
Wanishi,
We are all related,
C.
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Hi Hair lady
I can understand why you respect Lessert. My question is, why is he involved with individuals who use his name to sell ceremony as well as individuals who know so little about the culture that they claim he is a shaman while defending him? If he is a good teacher he would have corrected that.
Also, could you please address what Cetan brought up about his claim to be descendant from Crazy Horse?
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OKay I will just ask him. Then we will know for sure. There is some very personal infos about him that I don´t feel like I should write here about him. I will however say that there are a lot of very good medicine men and women out there that get sick themselves. They use all thier energy helping others and can not always control what others do with what they have taught them. I think that we should all maybe think about that. This is a forum for New age frauds..not for real medicine peoples that really have no need to try and can not possiably please everyone.. I think it´s wrong to not be respectful. Checking things out is okay, but as Lessert said himself..if you have questions you guys can just ask him ya know. He doesn´t bite! 8) hehe.
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Hi so diorect from the source of this dicussion. Lessert says he never claimed he is a direct dendant from Crazy horse. Jasime simply says that she thinks that he focuses on the dream of Crazy Horse. Which is her opinion.
I would ask you all if you have futhur questions contact Lessert yourselves. He is a Lakota Medicine man, a father, a husband, a grandfather, a uncle, and a humanbeing.
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Lessert Moore, an enrolled member of the Oglala Lakota Sioux, grew up on the Rosebud and Pine Ridge reservations in South Dakota. He is a Sundance Chief, dedicated to sundance ceremony ways for 45 years. He also holds an degree in drug and alcohol counseling and has extensive teaching experience. Decades of healing work combined with his activism for Native American rights, including at Wounded Knee 2 and Standing Rock, enable Lessert to bring deep insight into sacred activism. His lifetime of service across the U.S. has been dedicated to the mending of the Sacred Hoop, helping individuals and communities to heal, and the protection of Mother Earth.
Grandmother Nancy Ardry is a traditional native healer and storyteller, a Sundancer and a Sacred Pipe carrier, and an acknowledged elder and grandmother in her Canadian communities. She speaks and shares legends from many different Nations across the U.S. and Canada and beyond. Grandmother Nancy is of Algonquin and French heritage and has followed the Red Road since childhood. Her mentors include a Lakota author and a
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Nancy Ardry is a fraud who has been involved in pay-to-pray in New England for about 20 years.