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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: Edge on August 13, 2009, 10:51:01 pm
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Does anyone know Calvin Tatsey? I believe he is a member of the Blackfeet Nation of Montana. He has a social network on .ning called The Red Nation Society.
Someone I know joined briefly and left after she found out there was a subgroup for Wicca on his social network site, and the owner of this subgroup is his lead council member. It seems Calvin Tatsey has to give the ok for any subgroups so he is aware of this Wiccan group.
One cannot get to see the subgroups of the .ning site unless they join as a member, which I don't plan to do.
I looked Calvin Tatsey on google and he seems to be Native and involved in The Blackfeet Review, but allowing a Wiccan group on his social site makes me wonder.
Any information is appreciated.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/07104190254488675353 (http://www.blogger.com/profile/07104190254488675353)
The Red Nation Society: http://therednationsociety.ning.com/ (http://therednationsociety.ning.com/)
Thank you.
[modified title of thread - dts]
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HE A FRAUD FOR SURE
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We have several threads in here that mention the RNS. It's not a fraud group like the ones we usually post warnings on. Basically they are a social network that spreads lots of misinformation and are also tied to another even more dubious group, Native American Unity.
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Thank you for the information, educatedindian & ladybug.
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I did a netsearch and could not find anything showing that he's selling ceremony. Tatsey may be a twit, but then again he's perfectly entitled to that, same as any other person on this planet.
However, there is a guest book entry I'd like to point out:
http://3909.my-gaestebuch.de/gindex.php?userid=3909&start=30
Am 24.12.2008 - 11:18 Uhr schrieb Calvin Tatsey
Oki Niscunnie:
You have a great and honorble site here, Indianer Fire. If you ever need anything that I can assist you with in the way of Native American, I'm always available to you at The Red Nation Society, my friend. >>~~~>BGS
The guest book belongs to William Jervis aka Firewalker aka Turtle Winds who's got a thread in our fraud section. Offering assistance to a fraud looks somewhat fishy.
I also saw this bio:
http://www.chinausfriendship.com/article1.asp?mn=145
Oki Niscunnie (Hello my Friend). My name is Calvin Tatsey. I am fifty two years old. My Indian name is Big Gun Sees Good, which represents Power and Wisdom, according to my name giver. I am the father of four and the grandfather of eight. I am an enrolled member of The Blackfeet Nation of Montana. I have resided on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation throughout my entire life, with migrations to attend school, training, work and to experience different cultures, people and places. I have experienced every Blackfeet ceremony, except for The Sundance; however, I have assisted with the preparations of and observed several throughout their durations. I have worked at several occupations, e.g., cowboy, farm-worker, tree planter and thinner, logger, lifeguard, store clerk, police dispatcher, police officer, jailer, correctional officer, casino surveillance supervisor, heavy equipment operator, building constructions, chemical dependency counselor, etc...; and through all that, I've been a Writer first-and-foremost! My life-and-work experiences are vast and many; my cultural experiences are the same; my writing -- Fiction -- involves and draws from both, relating and applying to Native American issues, news and first-hand stories pertaining to culture, ceremonies, language and Native American life; some are short and some are long, but all are interesting and entertaining. I am an addictions counselor with a degree in Human Services (minor in Psychology) and a CDC Certificate and I have worked in the field professionally; however, my love for writing now requires most of my time, so I am no longer in the field. I am currently in the process of enrolling-in Montana State University’s 2008 fall semester: Mass Communications, (journalism) program. I have graduated from two Law Enforcement Academies: the Montana Law Enforcement Academy and Corrections Corporation of America. I am a versatile writer who writes compelling stories and articles that grab attention and connect with people; a marketing writer; a copywriter; a poet, and a well rounded professional. I have over thirty years of writing experience.
[Emphasis above added by me.]
I do see a few red flags in this bio written by Tatsey himself. His using the term "Indian name" may be due to making himself understood better in a non-native environment. On the other hand, he stresses his alleged expertise in the field of ceremonies and writing 'stories' about them...
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Oki Folks:
I know Calvin Tatsey, this is me and I am, a bona fide member of The Blackfeet Tribe of Montana, and not some wannabe, like "Edge" and some other responders (not including educatedindian, whom I'm sure is for real and honorable) of this shallowly-obtuse post, which, on an intellectual/intelligence level, shouldn't have been given the time that it took to key and post a serious reply by the other idiots -- again, not including educatedindian within this catagory.
Yes, I do have the group ("The Elite American Indian Group") The Red Nation Society and it's the real McCoy, because it's owned, operated and managed by the real McCoy: An actual American Indian, with an actual American Indian background, ancestors, blood degree and experiences, who also has an enrolled, American Indian wife.
Here's some information for you, Wendell, and Wendell's full-Italian wife, who writes for him because Wendell is too illiterate to write for himself; The same Wendell Deer With Horns whose full-Italian wife is the wiccan practitioner who'd wanted and urged me to accept the wiccan group into TRNS from a personal-friend of hers whom she'd personally-invited, but whom, after I'd kicked Wendell and his full-Italian wife out of The Red Nation Society because of being nothing but a couple of lying, manipulating-troublemakers, on July 26, 2009 they subsequently posted this message; however, they certainly are not, even combined, intelligent enough to disguise Wendell's wife's writing style, or their biased ramblings.
Okay, no need to wonder, Wendell, because as you know, The Red Nation Society is 100% non-discriminatory and 100% non-censored, consequently, even without your full-Italian, wiccan-practitioner-wife's attempts at manipulation, I would have still allowed the wiccan group to be a part of TRNS. Now what information would you like to hear, Wendell, or are you satisfied?
Respectfully,
Big Gun Sees Good, aka, Calvin Tatsey
Does anyone know Calvin Tatsey? I believe he is a member of the Blackfeet Nation of Montana. He has a social network on .ning called The Red Nation Society.
Someone I know joined briefly and left after she found out there was a subgroup for Wicca on his social network site, and the owner of this subgroup is his lead council member. It seems Calvin Tatsey has to give the ok for any subgroups so he is aware of this Wiccan group.
One cannot get to see the subgroups of the .ning site unless they join as a member, which I don't plan to do.
I looked Calvin Tatsey on google and he seems to be Native and involved in The Blackfeet Review, but allowing a Wiccan group on his social site makes me wonder.
Any information is appreciated.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/07104190254488675353 (http://www.blogger.com/profile/07104190254488675353)
The Red Nation Society: http://therednationsociety.ning.com/ (http://therednationsociety.ning.com/)
Thank you.
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I placed another post in "ecetera" called lawsuits .... but after reading this, I wanted to write this here .... I can not understand the reason for name calling or "lawsuits" as Steve YellowHand mentioned in a previous response. These ways are dominant societies ways .... or childish ways .... it is one thing to defend yourself against what you percieve to be a malicious attack .... but whats up with the name calling and bull sh*t like that? Get a grip .... Calvin, I only know things you write from what I saw in Red Nation .... you are suppose to be a journalist .... write intelligble responses ..... if Steve YellowHand is reading this .... if you are a "wapiye" wicasa .... then present yourself as one .... or even if your claims to sundancing are fact .... then present yourself as one .... lawsuits and childish words are the way dominant society presents itself ....
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Ha, ha, ha...sure, slolwaye sni, anonymity can make anyone a critiquing-expert of their superiors, even the cowardly critiquers can have their say, albeit their critique is worth about as much as their Heart, i.e., zilch...
I placed another post in "ecetera" called lawsuits .... but after reading this, I wanted to write this here .... I can not understand the reason for name calling or "lawsuits" as Steve YellowHand mentioned in a previous response. These ways are dominant societies ways .... or childish ways .... it is one thing to defend yourself against what you percieve to be a malicious attack .... but whats up with the name calling and bull sh*t like that? Get a grip .... Calvin, I only know things you write from what I saw in Red Nation .... you are suppose to be a journalist .... write intelligble responses ..... if Steve YellowHand is reading this .... if you are a "wapiye" wicasa .... then present yourself as one .... or even if your claims to sundancing are fact .... then present yourself as one .... lawsuits and childish words are the way dominant society presents itself ....
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On the public Red Nation Society (RNS) page on ning there are several ads for workshops by notorious fraud William Jervis (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=948.0) (aka Firewalker aka Turtle Winds (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2531.0)). Clicking on his name in the ads seems to indicate that Jervis has a profile page on the Red Nation Society group, which I think means he's a member of their group.
The workshop listings are in the right hand column. Clicking on the names brings up a page for the workshops themselves, and Jervis himself, but you have to be a member of the group to see those pages.
http://therednationsociety.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network
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Screencaps attached.
It looks like another member has posted a warning about Jervis from EsoWatch. It will be interesting to see which posts stay up, or if they all do, and if they continue to have Jervis as a member of the network. The photos in their left hand column photostream are... interesting, as well.
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Tatsey's site has some very interesting members, so e.g. Helmut Christof who is an ex-Deer Tribe student. He still sells ceremonies and makes more shame-ons.
Another member of RNS is --- Tacan'sina Kalagin.
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Main thread on Kalagin: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1569.0
More on Kalagin via the search function on the main page.
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Hi
In answer to your question 'Does anyone know Calvin Tatsey?' Well I can honestly say I am very proud and honoured to know Mr Tatsey. I have been a member of the Red Nation Society since January 2010 and the friendship and kind gentle teaching and patient ways of showing me Native ways of thinking I have learned through Mr Tatsey, so much I never even knew it existed. I have to say from reading all your arguments about Mr Tatsey I can blatently see that you don't know this Man.
You have also all misunderstood many other things too:
1. Mr Tatsey is not the owner of Ning, he is however the webmaster of The Red Nation Society. This site uses the Ning platform of which Mr Tatsey only has one group.
2. The Red Nation Society is a group of people all learning from each other and helping one another along lifes path, through respect, peace, love and understanding. In TRNS, there are many people who have talents for very many things and if a person has a particular passion for something they can set up a discussion group about it in TRNS.
3 If you are expecting a meally mouthed Indian Gentleman who will say yes sir, no sir, etc etc, then be prepared to be disappointed when you meet Mr Tatsey. He is not a man to hide his feelings but neither will he take rubbish from people, he is definitely not a 'yes' man. But he is intensely proud of his heritage and rightly so when you see pictures of his family past, he is definitely Blackfoot Montana as all his family were and he is certainly pure Native American.
4.Mr Tatsey has two Masters degrees and is a Former Police Officer amongst other things, so I really rather doubt any of you really know him. He is a writer but has never been a reporter.
5. Mr Tatsey runs TRNS for everyone to learn of the Native way from all nations, it is the way we learn about Native peoples of other Countries too. After all every Country has native people. Since January 2010 when I joined I have never seen any Wicca sub group and I have joined them all!
TRNS teaches respect and tolerance for all, from a True Native American perspective led by a 51/64th's American Indian blood total Blackfoot Indian
A Man and his wife who I am proud to call my friends.
When you have walked in Mr Tatseys shoes for a day then please feel free to judge, but until then, please don't criticise him or TRNS for I know of many, many people who owe so much to him and his wife, I am one of them.
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Hi Yorkielass,
Perhaps you would like to introduce yourself.
By the name are you from Yorkshire, England, by any chance
Piya
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If I met someone online 7 months ago.. I would not say that I know them.
edited to add: If I met someone offline 7 months ago.. I would not say that I know them.
7 months is not a long time at all. It's less than a year, even a year is not a long enough time to say you 'know' someone.
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How many of your 'real life' friends do you speak to every single day for over an hour at a time and how many of them do you trust with your private thoughts?
I know Calvin simply because I sense when people are good and trustworthy, even on the internet you can sense things from the way people write. So to to say I 'know people' from the internet is perfectly true for me.
Unfortunately most peole do not use the sense they were born with, and only see words and judge people on them, I see sentiments in those words and I know when someone is giving me BS and when they're not. I sense everything simply by words written and words spoken so please do not insult my intelligence.
Calvin does not give BS and neither does he take it and neither do I, why should he?
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just FYI, I was in no way insulting or trying to insult your intelligence. I guess you couldn't sense that tho.. sorry, just had to say.
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Thats ok Critter I understand you weren't insulting me, I also understand what you were trying to say too and I agree with you to a point, .but I have a gift for reading between lines and understanding people from their writing, I would never say that I know people if I have never read or seen a lot of their work, and I have never found anything that Calvin has said that he hasn't backed up with facts or proof, therefore I can honestly say he is a truthful and honest man as far as I am concerned, others may disagree and that is fine, each person is entitled to their opinion of others.
Piya,
You are right I am from England, I was born in Scotland though and spent so long in Yorkshire I was welcomed and adopted by the Yorkshire people, so I can proudly call myself a Yorkshire Lass.
Everyone,
Please don't think that TRNS is a bad site or even a fake site, the only way you will learn of this site and the people in it is through Joining it and getting to know one or two of us. It is a very Philanthropic site learning about all peoples from native lands and nations. Please don't ctiticise it from another persons perspective, join it yourself and find out.
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Hello,
I am also a member of The Red Nation Society and have been helped amazingly by the man Calvin Tatsey and the website, itself. The Question was, does anyone know Calvin Tatsey, and my answer is "yes", I do.
Now, what's the next question, that Yorkielass hasn't already covered in her fabulous post?
To directly quote as to re-iterate facts:
" 1. Mr Tatsey is not the owner of Ning, he is however the webmaster of The Red Nation Society. This site uses the Ning platform of which Mr Tatsey only has one group.
2. The Red Nation Society is a group of people all learning from each other and helping one another along lifes path, through respect, peace, love and understanding. In TRNS, there are many people who have talents for very many things and if a person has a particular passion for something they can set up a discussion group about it in TRNS.
3 If you are expecting a meally mouthed Indian Gentleman who will say yes sir, no sir, etc etc, then be prepared to be disappointed when you meet Mr Tatsey. He is not a man to hide his feelings but neither will he take rubbish from people, he is definitely not a 'yes' man. But he is intensely proud of his heritage and rightly so when you see pictures of his family past, he is definitely Blackfoot Montana as all his family were and he is certainly pure Native American.
4.Mr Tatsey has two Masters degrees and is a Former Police Officer amongst other things, so I really rather doubt any of you really know him. He is a writer but has never been a reporter.
5. Mr Tatsey runs TRNS for everyone to learn of the Native way from all nations, it is the way we learn about Native peoples of other Countries too. After all every Country has native people. Since January 2010 when I joined I have never seen any Wicca sub group and I have joined them all!
TRNS teaches respect and tolerance for all, from a True Native American perspective led by a 51/64th's American Indian blood total Blackfoot Indian."
So, onto the next queston, please, and not the next attack. Thank you for taking the time to read this post,
Kay153
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Thats ok Critter I understand you weren't insulting me, I also understand what you were trying to say too and I agree with you to a point, .but I have a gift for reading between lines and understanding people from their writing,
not meaning to side track the thread, but i don't care for your claims. leaving it now.
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Hello,
I am also a member of The Red Nation Society and have been helped amazingly by the man Calvin Tatsey and the website, itself. The Question was, does anyone know Calvin Tatsey, and my answer is "yes", I do.
Now, what's the next question, that Yorkielass hasn't already covered in her fabulous post?
...3 If you are expecting a meally mouthed Indian Gentleman who will say yes sir, no sir, etc etc, then be prepared to be disappointed when you meet Mr Tatsey. He is not a man to hide his feelings but neither will he take rubbish from people, he is definitely not a 'yes' man. But he is intensely proud of his heritage and rightly so when you see pictures of his family past, he is definitely Blackfoot Montana as all his family were and he is certainly pure Native American.
4.Mr Tatsey has two Masters degrees and is a Former Police Officer amongst other things, so I really rather doubt any of you really know him. He is a writer but has never been a reporter.
5. Mr Tatsey runs TRNS for everyone to learn of the Native way from all nations, it is the way we learn about Native peoples of other Countries too. After all every Country has native people. Since January 2010 when I joined I have never seen any Wicca sub group and I have joined them all!
TRNS teaches respect and tolerance for all, from a True Native American perspective led by a 51/64th's American Indian blood total Blackfoot Indian."
So, onto the next queston, please, and not the next attack. Thank you for taking the time to read this post,
Kay153
Where to begin?
9/10s of your posts are posting things about him like you were an agent promoting his resume, volunteering information no one asked for and I doubt any of us care about, like BQ, degrees, etc. Those have never been issues.
The most important thing to me to point out is that in none of your posts so far have you addressed the most important point:
Why does Tatsey host so much false information and lies about Native peoples on his site?
As I pointed out before you got here (and was quoted) Tatsey is no fraud. But he does host them and allow them free reign on his site.
Standing up strong is a good thing, but it seems he has not stood up at all for the truth about his people, since lies about Natives are all over the site.
And for you to say you equate politeness with weakness, that is just strange. Equally strange is your claim how he "helped you enormously". It sounds suspiciously like other claims of Europeans who are dabbling in what they misinterpret to be Native spiritual traditions. Hopefully that is not you.
Since Tatsey is your good friend, please pass along the most important message you can get from in here:
Mr. Tatsey, please stop allowing New Age hucksters to promote their lies and abuse on your site. You do enormous harm to not only Natives, but to non Natives wanting to learn.
We have threads in here on the Germans imposters posing as Indians, calling themselves Tacansina and Firewalker, and on the extremely dangerous cult called the Deer Tribe, plus on the harm and disrespect done by Pay to Pray false versions of ceremonies. I urge you, Yorkielass, to read them also.
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I have read those things that Firewalker has written and believe none of them, I also know quite a bit about him too. and that is why I only trust the true things that I can verify with a lot of facts and proof from various places if something doesn't ring true then it is disguarded instantly and proved to be false information, Just as Calvin does. Plus many others on TRNS do too.
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Please, let's use his real name, William Jervis, and not feed his delusion by calling him Firewalker.
Since many can clearly see he's a fraud, why allow him and others like him a platform on a Native site? Esp since there are many nonNatives on that site (or visitors to that site) who may not know any better and be misled.
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I do apologise Educatedindian, I should have done that and I am sorry I never thought, I should have called him William Jervis, you are right.
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Oki Kathryn:
I see that you’re a “Global Moderator,” [long childish rant removed]
By-the-way, here’s some definitions of, “Fraud,” as in the “F” from “NAFPS” as follows, “…something said or done to deceive; trick; artifice; a person who deceives or who is not what he or she pretends to be; impostor; cheat…”.
[More childishness removed]
Sincerely,
Big Gun Sees Good, aka, Calvin Tatsey
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educatedindian:
I’m surprised! Where are your credentials? “Educated,” means that someone possesses a degree or diploma; where are yours?
[identical childish rant]
Now please tell me, who are you, what are you educated in and what is your, “real name”?
Sincerely,
Big Gun Sees Good, aka, Calvin Tatsey
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Critter:
What do you mean, “not meaning to side track the thread, but i don't care for your claims. leaving it now”?
[third childish rant]
Sincerely,
Big Gun Sees Good, aka, Calvin Tatsey
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educatedindian:
I’m surprised! Where are your credentials? “Educated,” means that someone possesses a degree or diploma; where are yours?
[identical childish rant]
Now please tell me, who are you, what are you educated in and what is your, “real name”?
Sincerely,
Big Gun Sees Good, aka, Calvin Tatsey
Hello Mr. Tatsey,
Acting like a four year old doesn't impress anyone. Anything which sidetracks the discussion gets removed. Period.
And thanks for showing everyone you're too lazy to even look around before launching attacks without cause and making yourself look foolish.
This is me, degrees included:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1710.0
I've never hidden who I am and have always been quite open about it. Sure, sometimes idiots and crazies attack me, but that's a small price to pay for defending tradition. And that's something we've been doing more than a decade before you even thought of starting your RNS website, fighting the good fight, working with other activists, elders, anyone with a good heart wanting to do what's right. We're quite proud of all the people we've helped.
Lots of good people we've worked with. Again, if you'd bothered to look before launching your unprovoked childish personal attacks, you'd have see this:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1235.0
Let's try one more time, Mr. Tatsey:
Why do you host frauds, liars, and imposters on your site? Namely two Germans who pose as Indian, Wm Jervis AKA Firewalker, and Kohfink AKA "Tacansina", plus one member of the very dangerous Deer Tribe cult, a cult which abuses women and disrespects Indian traditions.
Your defenders in here so far are two Europeans. No Indians, just Europeans who tell us it's a good place to learn. Why have frauds and exploiters at your site then? Don't their lies undercut the whole purpose of your site?
And as a final note to both Mr. Tatsey and his supporters:
If you want to debate NAFPS policy, make another thread for it. Sidetracks won't be allowed. Quit trying to weasel out of the question.
ETA: Apparently if Tatsey couldn't flame away and avoid the questions, he doesn't want to hang around. Can't say we're surprised, he did the same elsewhere with some AIM members, and it probably spooked him when he saw we've long worked with AIM chapters. What's amusing is how he coordinated this with his European fan club, and seemingly has no Indian supporters willing to come here. The three of them left literally within a few minutes of each other.
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I know this is an old dead thread but I was reading the comment section on that rainbow blog spot midwest or new england gathering and came across old Clavin Tatsey msg'ing the hippy dippy rainbows and offering his "services".
Thought it was kind of interesting. Link is below.
http://midwestornewenglandgathering2015.blogspot.com/2015/06/black-hills-rainbow-gathering-and-lakota.html?showComment=1434351774181&m=1#c1339122831543731849
Calvin TatseyJune 15, 2015 at 12:02 AM
Why even feel obligated to asking Arvol Looking Horse, or the US Forest Service for permission to do what thousands of people, including foreign tourists, do every year without having to ask? Go there; do that; get it done!
If you need Looking Horse’s statement of support for something so important as visiting so that your people can pray for peace and World improvement and Looking Horse will not give it, then don’t you think that there is something the wrong with that picture…as with Looking Horse’s actual Goal(s)?
I’m obligated to keep my knowledge within my tribal Medicine People’s circle only, which means that I was strictly forbidden to share it with anyone but growing, incoming Medicine People who were approaching their obligation of Spiritual maturity on behalf of my tribe; however, I have been taught every which way from Sunday, if you will, about my tribe’s Okan during my childhood, by my elders of The Buffalo Blackfeet (the Blackfeet who had actually existed when the great herds were present and roaming free) and then I waited and became actually as prophesized by long passed Medicine elders of my tribe, which was the hub from which the spokes of our Medicine People should regain and relearn our knowledge pertaining to our Okan and when it came time, I shared what knowledge that I had been charged with learning, keeping and finally, sharing and now our Okan is back after decades and decades of austere government suppression. Enough said about that and no more will ever be said, or written by me to anyone except for whom, within my dreams, I am instructed to share with and build by knowledge, so to speak, but I’m sure that you know what I am saying.
I shared what I shared with you because I want you to know that if you need someone from a federally recognized tribe to represent, but not to teach Okan, or facilitate an Okan for you, however, to represent your organization this year and every year to follow, or for as long as I live, then contact me and we will look into enacting great possibilities together…
Lim lemtsh,
Diana