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Shore Charnoe
Diana:
--- Quote ---Piff said she couldn't find no legal name change for Donald Hamrick in America or Canada
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Lol! I meant to say "Piff said she couldn't find any legal name change for Donald Hamrick in America or Canada"
This is what happens when you post while watching the late show after midnight. :o
Diana:
Here's Shore Charnoe's Mother's geneolgy. Jonna Lee Wagner Hamrick. This is Jonna Wagner's father's side of the family. I'm only going to go back to the great grandparents. We're in the 1870's and 1880's and I've looked at the great great grand parents all white, all from middle to mid east United States nothing remarkable.
Jonna Lee Wagner
in the 1940 United States Federal Census
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Name: Jonna Lee Wagner
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1935
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Colorado
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Home in 1940: Brighton, Adams, Colorado
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: North Fourth Avenue
House Number: 272
Sheet Number: 4A
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: None
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Household Members:
Name age
Paul Wagner 36
Lois Wagner 35
Louise Elaine Wagner 8
Jonna Lee Wagner 5
Source Citation
Year: 1940; Census Place: Brighton, Adams, Colorado; Roll: T627_454; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 1-40
Paul Wagner
in the Colorado, County Marriages and State Indexes, 1862-2006
Name: Paul Wagner
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1903
Marriage Date: 6 Oct 1928
Marriage Place: Littleton, Arapahoe, Colorado, USA
Spouse: Lois Mccoy
Film Number: 001690145
Paul Owen Wagner
in the U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: Paul Owen Wagner
Race: White
Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head)
Birth Place: Pickering, Missouri, USA
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1903
Residence: Brighton, Adams, Colorado, USA
Registration Date: 1942
Occupation: Kuner R Empson Co
Weight: 145
Complexion: Light
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Brown
Height: 5 11
Next of Kin: Lois Wagner
Household Members:
Name Relationship
Paul Owen Wagner Self (Head)
Paul Wagner
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name: Paul Wagner
Birth Year: abt 1903
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's name: M E Wagner
Father's Birthplace: Missouri
Mother's name: Grace Wagner
Mother's Birthplace: Missouri
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Household Members:
Name Age
M E Wagner 34
Grace Wagner 29
Curtis Wagner 9
Paul Wagner 7
Mildred Wagner 4
Helen Wagner 2
M E Wagner
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name: M E Wagner
Age in 1910: 34
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Grace Wagner
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Iowa
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: Gen Farm
Employer, Employee or Other: Own Account
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Farm or House: Farm
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 10
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Household Members:
Name Age
M E Wagner 34
Grace Wagner 29
Curtis Wagner 9
Paul Wagner 7
Mildred Wagner 4
Helen Wagner 2
Grace Dalrymple
in the Missouri, Marriage Records, 1805-2002
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Name: Grace Dalrymple
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1899
Marriage Place: Pickering, Nodaway, Missouri
Registration Place: Nodaway, Missouri, USA
Spouse: Everett Wagner
Grace Wagner
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name: Grace Wagner
Age in 1910: 29
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: M E Wagner
Father's Birthplace: Missouri
Mother's Birthplace: Illinois
Native Tongue: English
Attended School: Yes
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 10
Number of Children Born: 4
Number of Children Living: 4
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Household Members:
Name Age
M E Wagner 34
Grace Wagner 29
Curtis Wagner 9
Paul Wagner 7
Mildred Wagner 4
Helen Wagner 2
Diana:
Here's Jonna Lee Wagner Hamrick's mother's info on Find a Grave, Lois McCoy Wagner. It has her parents names Of John Robert McCoy and Tabitha F. McCoy including her mother's maiden name of Deweese. Here they are in the 1900 census. Tabitha died in 1907. I also posted Lois McCoy and her family after her mothers death. Her father later married a woman named Abbie. Again, I'm only going to post great grand parents. All the great great grandparents are all born in the 1830s to the 1840s and are all white. Shore Charnoe (probably not her real name) is WHITE.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=WAG&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=39&GScntry=4&GSsr=801&GRid=28855399&
John R Mccoy
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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Name: John R Mccoy
Age: 33
Birth Date: Dec 1866
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1900: Temple Hill, Barren, Kentucky
Sheet Number: 13A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 244
Family Number: 247
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Tabitha Mccoy
Marriage Year: 1900
Years Married: 0
Father's Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother's Birthplace: Tennessee
Occupation: Farmer
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: No
House Owned or Rented: O
Home Free or Mortgaged: F
Farm or House: F
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Household Members:
Name Age
John R Mccoy 33
Tabitha Mccoy 27
Tabitha Mccoy
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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Name: Tabitha Mccoy
Age: 27
Birth Date: Nov 1872
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1900: Temple Hill, Barren, Kentucky
Sheet Number: 13A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 244
Family Number: 247
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: John R Mccoy
Marriage Year: 1900
Years Married: 0
Father's Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John R Mccoy 33
Tabitha Mccoy 27
Lois Mc Coy
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name: Lois Mc Coy
Age in 1910: 4
Birth Year: abt 1906
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1910: Slick Rock, Barren, Kentucky
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's name: J R Mc Coy
Father's Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky
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Household Members:
Name Age
J R Mc Coy 43
Hattie Mc Coy 9
Beatrice E Mc Coy 6
Lois Mc Coy 4
Martha Ann Melton 73
Piff:
In 2015 Shore Charnoe claimed she was Lakota in a video. She also claimed Métis on her site http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4675.msg40909#msg40909
In a 2015 interview https://soundcloud.com/makenobonesaboutit/shore-charnoe-on-make-no-bones-about-it-jun-14-2015 she opens by stating what she says is "my Lakota name". 28 minutes of interview and there is no mention of Métis.
Yar Spar:
I think Shore Charnoe is her real name. She has a younger sister named Sky Charnoe.
On one of Donald/Zee's obituaries it says that he is survived by his 6 children, perhaps that was the surviving children with Jonna, plus two from Hila Charnoe, (Shore & Sky?).
What makes me think that is that is Jonna and Donald divorced in 69, don't know if Shore is old enough to be from that marriage. Her facebook timeline shows that she was born in 1977. And the other older children all live in the states.
Also the birthday note from her father says that she was born in Scotland, and if him and Hila Charnoe were married in Denmark, then perhaps they were over in Europe at the time and then came to Canada. He was working there for a University in Denmark.
This doc confirms that he was in Scotland in July, '77 presumably when Shore was born.:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B69QduZhn9AjYjgyYzZmMGItMDg0Mi00YzY5LWIzOGQtZjdkZjRlZTY3MDFl/view
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When I googled Charnoe Denmark, it linked Zeera P (which I learned stands for polyandry) Charnoe to Denmark From 1971, but then was all over Europe until 1980.
He was indeed a seemingly great mind, though an odd one.
And a lecture on Physiognomy (had to look that one up), in Denmark in Jan, 1971: https://audioboom.com/posts/919736-physiognomy-denmark-jan22-71
Here he states that he's been in Canada since 1980 (in the about my library part):
https://www.librarything.com/profile/ZeeCharnoe
Diana, you're a genealogy wiz, did you come across any info on Hila? There are some mentions of them living in Peterborough, Ontario, as well so perhaps they met in or moved together to Canada before Denmark?
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