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Was this spiritual abuse by a shaman?

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Cheesy Little Life:
Hello Kris

Do you feel able to tell us the name of this ‘shaman’?

Mmm hmm ... nuage group followers and fawners competing strenuously in different ways (eg drumming circles) for status and approval, plus ego tripping and drama-queening ... scapegoats, put-downs, getting picked on etc ... all depressingly familiar.


--- Quote ---Then the student said, "Then the bird...I am sorry...I don't know how to say this...releases its bowels upon all the people below."
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Most depressing of all is when some fawner in a group picks up the filthy ideas of the leader and dumps them on another participant.


--- Quote ---I thought we were friends.
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I do not think one can be friends with self-appointed nuage ‘shamans’ etc. They know nothing of value and are not interested in equal relationships. Forget it. Stay away from all of them.

earthw7:

--- Quote from: kris7 on February 04, 2015, 05:25:14 pm ---earthw7, ENT's are performing that surgery purely for money. It is a terrible medical crime. If your husband has not come across the the term Empty Nose Syndrome, that is the name for it. There are a number of forums for sufferers, and here is my blog about ENS: https://ens3.wordpress.com/ I am very sorry this happened to him.

I think the spiritual director/shaman who was cruel to me was very serious about her work and felt it was a calling. She was married to a minister of a very large Methodist church, and was very involved in the church. She was helpful to me in the earlier years when I saw her, but even then she got weird towards me in the last...about 6 months. She had begun to treat me disrespectgully, not letting me in her home until she was ready for my appt... not hugging me good-by.

I am looking back on this now. Her cold behavior hastened my leaving her direction.  When I returned years later, I believe I was remembering the whole of the experience, which was good, and not the weirdness at the end. Now I think she had begun to dislike me at the end of the first period of me being a client. I don't know why. When I returned, able to pay less than half her fee, I feel that was unbearable to her, as she both didn't like me, and did like money. She buried these issues beneath a veneer of compassion. After all, she considered herself a Christian.

He real feelings took over, in short order. Between her resentment over how little she was making from my appointments and having to listen to me cry and vent, her disgust must have overwhelmed her.

The special invitation to the drumming circle takes the picture alot farther into her inner darkness. That appears to have been a planned and calculated assault on my spiritual well-being. This, from a "healer." Within that picture, also, was a huge amount of stomach-churning fawning by her students and followers. That, I know, is an unhealthy sign in any gathering of a spiritual leader and followers. That means the leader has been placed above the message and is being worshipped. In other words, ego is in charge, not God. The fact she planned to hurt me is indicative of even worse, I think that her ego had taken over her practice. Her ego was running the show if it was allowed to plan and execute a spiritual attack upon a suffering soul.

She had felt attacked, in her ego, when I attempted to tell her she had been mistaken in her guidance, and she planned an elaborate retaliation, in a setting where I could see how great and revered she was. These are my thoughts.

Thank you for your reflection.

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yes that is what we were told it called Empty Nose Syndrome the doctor who did this moved out of the area, it changed my husband life. just from what you erasing this is a fraud could you gives us her name please

kris7:
Thank you for your replies.

After some self-debate, I decided to say. Her name is Deborah Ling.

At one time, she was an excellent spiritual director (this is a spiritual type of counseling). She was warm, compassionate, insightful, very caring. I believe I saw her 2000-04 about. In the last six months, she was different. I point this out, as she may have evercome her intermediate issues, and again, be very good at her work.

I returned in 2008 very ill, my face butchered almost beyond recognition. She seemed compassionate at first, but given her quick  turnabout (about the 6th session), I don't think the compassion was genuine at this time. Also, her response to my attempt to disagree with her and refocus things inspired such anger, as if I had insulted her, which has no place in a spiritual guiding environment.

The last thing--the drumming circle and the spiritual reading--that clears up any confusion I might otherwise have about what took place. In our 8 years of acquaintance, this was the first and only drumming circle I was invited to by her. The invitation came, I believe, a few months after her angry, hurtful words to me, both in the session and on the phone. The reading itself was so cruel and uncalled-for, it leaves little doubt about the intent. These readings, were developed before the drumming--under the direction of the shamanism school's director, Deborah Ling, as I recall in the e-mail invitation. There was some sharing of information and some sort of spiritual process that led the student to recount this disgusting metaphor, as description of my spirit, before the large group.

I did not realize I still held a wound from this until recent weeks. I thank all of you who have responded. I think the shamanism activity darkened the spiritual director's soul. I hope she has set this activity aside and cleared her soul.

Sparks:

--- Quote from: kris7 on February 05, 2015, 05:34:13 pm ---After some self-debate, I decided to say. Her name is Deborah Ling.
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The day after the quoted post a new topic, referring to the present thread, was created in "Research Needed":

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4563.0 [Deborah J. Ling - Center for Shamanic Practice, Inc.]

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