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"Native American Church" Strawberry Plains TN, Jerry Dills AKA Peshewa

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E.P. Grondine:

--- Quote from: ten-skey on April 20, 2010, 02:17:37 pm ---Always ,Remember, Dills And All the East of the Mississippi River Shawnee ARE split offs of Jerry Popes group ( U.R.B.) . Said group LOST its Federal Legal case to being Indian / Indigenous ( Interiors Arts and Crafts board ). they Refuse Any other type of Recognition ( As a WHITEMAN I Say I AM A INDIAN -White makes right ). Their " Famed / Framed " Resolution from Ohio ( Pope Was born, raised in Indiana ) STATES they ARE desendents (AT best , fore THEY STATE their leadership at that time WAS Mosty Wannabees ) . AT the time of the resolution They went to Ohio's BLACK leadership - Ohio's M.L.K. and ranted how they were abused Indians , yet this rant took two years to get any result - desendancy status to 1/16 .    Ten-skey

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Ten-skey, it is difficult for me to type, but no one in the East of the River Shawnee knows Jerry Dill.

Further, the East of the River contains many people who were never part of the URB, and those who were with the URB walked away from Jerry Pope.

As far as Jerry and his URB goes, many of his victims were active in exposing his fraud and stopping him once they found out about him. Like most cult leaders, he blackmails them with any personal information they shared with him.

I have never heard what you relate about the URB quest for Ohio state recognition.

I am hoping that Jerry perjuring himself on his peyote application will bring him to an end.

E.P. Grondine:

--- Quote from: Lookstwice on July 20, 2010, 02:11:41 am ---
...When I met Doc at Indian Bingo in Spartanburg, SC I was in very bad shape.  I think I sound overly dramatic if I say I was near death.  So I'll just stick with "in bad shape" for now.  Although the dramatic is closer to the truth.  This meeting was the beginning of an incredible period in my life and I still treasure it in many ways.  I compartmentalize to be able to... because it ended being such a disappointment.  And I was made to feel that I was the disappointment. 

I'm disappointed in myself in a lot of ways because the esoteric knowledge I believed I'd received from Doc the shaman Doc the priest should have set me free and kept me free from the trap of this dominant culture that is slowly killing me thru sapping me of life.  I was so exhausted when I got off work today I thought I'd never be able to write anything coherent (a Doc word there).  And I feel very defensive.  I imagine the possible derision and even attacks I might have coming.  Or simply an inquiry to explain myself and what is meant by "knowledge".  Or even a psyche-profile of how deluded I must be, etc.  These states of mind are a part of me and they are exhausting.  So you see how bad it is (some of it).  And yet I can now hold a job where I couldn't before and have a relationship where I couldn't before.  So you see how good it is (some of it).  I think I'm trying to say, "How do you measure a healing?" 

..  Many years later I had the good fortune to meet Bobby.  He is considered to be a genuine psychic by many and lives in East Tennessee.  He is an amazing person, and he and Doc are like light and dark, day and night...

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Lookstwice, it is difficult for me to type, but I will give you the same advice I gave clearwater: read Steve Hassan's Combatting Cult Mind Control. It most likely will give you the tools you need to deal with your experience with Dills.

You are not the disappointment, and it is clear that Dills is a spiritual thief, and that you were his victim. No one here will make fun of you for that.

Your "compartmentalization" as you put it is your effort to come to terms with that experience. It is my thinking that Hassan's book will be a very, very useful tool in helping you to do that and to move on.

We have laws which should be being applied to people like Pope and Dills. That they are not is just another example of continued discrimination against the First Peoples, IMO.

good luck

Mato Istime:
I met this man and was not impressed at all.

ten-skey:
All those HARMED by Pope , the U.R,B. and this spinoff personel SHOULD contact Various States Officals , He does court Prominate Officals ( ie Mclin And Assoc. of Ohio , etc. ) . HE does BAD MOUTH federal indians ( ie Real indians would have DIED ) Ten-skey.

clearwater:
About a week ago a friend of mine who resides in east Tennessee emailed me with some information about Dills/Peshewa. I googled the information I received and found some links to information which I felt should be posted here. So in this and the next post  I'm passing along what was brought to my attention.

Link to original article: Theft from Knox burial grounds called 'sacrilege'

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--- Quote ---Theft from Knox burial grounds called 'sacrilege'

In describing religious artifacts stolen from a nearby Native American burial ground, Macaki "Doc" PeSheWa, priest at the Native American Church in Strawberry Plains, says remaining calm is a challenge.

"I'm not going to tell you that there isn't any ill feelings, because there is," PeSheWa said.

PeSheWa says a 14-foot Native American totem pole, two symbolic eagles, a cow skull and a horse head were stolen from burial grounds located at 7865 E. McMillian Road in East Knox County between Nov. 2 and Nov. 4.

According to a Knox County Sheriff's Office report, the suspects used a full-size pickup truck to steal the religious artifacts and symbols, which the report states are valued at $10,000.

KCSO spokeswoman Martha Dooley said the sheriff's office is looking into the theft.

To PeSheWa, not the value of the artifacts, but their meaning is what is important. He said the artifacts as well as the ground in which many Native Americans are buried serve as a way for relatives of those lost to "release" their spirits.

"There have been many a tear shed here at these grounds," he said. "Stealing the totem is a direct violation of burial ceremonies. This is sacrilege to us."

PeSheWa said the theft is not the first instance of trespassing, which he said began about three years ago.

"I don't know what we are going to do," he said. "The only thing I can think of now is to get another 18- to 20-foot cedar log and carve another one."

The theft has caused PeSheWa to close off the burial grounds, which he wishes he did not have to do.

"This is a place where people can learn about Native American culture and even worship how they see fit," he said, "but we can't take another lick like that."

The Native American priest said the totem that was stolen commemorates a time when Native Americans from various tribes translated "The Great Law" - the guiding principles Native Americans use to govern themselves - into English. He said "The Great Law" not only holds great value to his people, but also should be held in high regard by any citizen of the United States. America's Founding Fathers used "Great Law" principles to shape portions of the U.S. Constitution.

Symbolism aside, PeSheWa said all that he wants is the totem's return.

"This is a federal offense," he said. "We just want everything brought back and for these thefts to quit. I'm serious about the return of the totem and the capture of those who continue stealing."

Nash Armstrong may be reached at 865-342-6336.

 © 2010, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.

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Note that this is this is the first time that the property has been referred to as "burial" grounds.

--clearwater

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