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Offline debbieredbear

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"Chief Standing Cloud"
« on: April 16, 2006, 06:52:09 pm »
« Last Edit: April 22, 2018, 05:03:59 pm by educatedindian »

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 12:56:53 am »
I am the maintainer of the website http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com, and I can tell you that the Chief Standing Cloud that I have met is not Bill Stover, but Leroy Standingcloud.  He is a wonderful man and is not a fraud.

~Kyle Klipowicz
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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 03:05:29 am »
I will take your word on Mr. Standingcloud. I was pnly trying to get info on Bill Stover because a friend asked.
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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2006, 08:57:07 pm »
http://webpages.shepherd.edu/fmahooti/Metanexus/index.htm

Build the lodge
"Bring your own light lunch"
Sweat

I think the second instruction about eating lunch pretty much tells you he's not 'real'.


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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 09:20:23 pm »
No one from Pine Ridge has ever heard of this man. There was a Chief Standing Cloud of the Oglala:


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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 09:22:04 pm »
The organizer has been contacted by Native Americans who have been told to keep their bigoted opinions to themselves as the "Chief" will be collecting money for the poor Lakota women which has been wrapped in red. The tickets are 325 British Pounds and the event is sold out.

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 10:07:25 pm »
Name is Bill Stover. Supposedly a Pine Ridge guy:
http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=135939&format=html

All the links in this thread are dead, go elsewhere, or access denied. The quoted one is now here:

http://articles.herald-mail.com/2006-04-16/news/25052922_1_sweat-lodge-ceremony-rocks

Today there is a new thread about "Chief Standing Cloud, Oglala", "Born on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota …":

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5178.0 — Is this also Mr. Bill Stover?

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 10:19:09 pm »
There is a thread some twelve years ago where one "Standing Cloud" is named as Bill Clover:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=702.0

I quote from a link in that thread:

S.D. medicine man performs Native American ceremonies
April 16, 2006 | By CANDICE BOSELY — SHEPHERDSTOWN, W.Va.

On a peaceful patch of earth outside of Shepherdstown Saturday afternoon, two ceremonies were performed that some believe could date to when all of the continents were one.

A sweat lodge (Inipi) ceremony and a Yuwipi ceremony, both conducted by South Dakota medicine man Bill Stover, or Standing Cloud, were held on the property of David Levine along the Potomac River.

Both of the Native American spiritual ceremonies began by offering a pipe filled with tobacco, red willow bark and sage to Stover.

Is it possible that Bill Stover now has promoted himself to "Chief Standing Cloud"?

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2018, 12:09:08 am »
Promoter Diane Gower about "Chief Standing Cloud":

I am truly privileged to announce that First Nation, Native American Elder, Chief Standing Cloud, will be our honoured guest, for the first time within the UK.

Taken place in the heart of the countryside of beautiful Rutland,  these MAGICAL 3days you will   receive authentic powerful teachings, healing and purification to the mind, body and spirit in inspiring traditional ceremonies shared within and outside the Inipi.

Born on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota and named by family member Brave Hawk, Brule. Chief Standing Cloud from, Oglala Lakota tribe (Sioux) carries his tradition and culture proudly with dignity and honour used by the Lakota ways today.

Chief Standing Cloud an artist uses many mediums to deliver his artwork “Winter Count” form, made up of prayers, dreams, visions and hopes. As an artist, much of this is expressed when he delivers teachings  of the Sundance and Inipi ceremony’s. Chief Standing Cloud is also a Chanupa carrier of the sacred pipe where he delivers prayers to the creator while in sacred ceremony’s.

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You will also during the weekend have opportunity to meet and work with Diane Gower student of Chief Standing Cloud, International Therapist .Shamanic Practitioner and Empowerment and Firewalker Instructor.

Diane Gower just got her own thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5179.0

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2018, 12:46:44 am »
I found some references to Bill Stover as "Standing Cloud" referring to a YouTube video where we see him:

The next day, it was time to witness the Sweat Lodge (Inipi) experience. Justin “Bear” Annunziato began the ceremony with the lighting of the fire utilizing the “bow” method of using a stick, string and wood to create the initial fire. Most have not witnessed how to create a fire without a lighter or matches. It was quite intriguing. Then Bill Stover (Mahpia Naijin – Standing Cloud), a Lakota elder, shared some of his many experiences, insights and Tribal traditions. After the “stone people” were heated by the fire, it was time to enter into the Sweat Lodge. Water Pourer, Thomas Alvarez (Sungmani Tutankaska – White Wolf), led the youth and men through this experience. This was incredible as we shifted from the challenges of the wet and cold weather of the previous day into the heat of the Sweat Lodge. This Adventure served as a challenge to sit within the dark and heated confines of the “Lodge”. Like the challenges of the previous day, the youth and men pushed their own and collective limits. Their perseverance to move outside of the comfort level and into the “moment” was incredible.

I had been invited to attend the Lakota Sundance on the Reservation in South Dakota.  It commences on the 4th of July and runs through the 8th.  I was grateful for the invitation and openly considered attending to support Andrew, Thomas and the others who would be dancing.  I wanted to see Soldier Bear and Standing Cloud and connect with many others in attendance.

We’re including herewith a couple of brief videos as well as a clip from a talk I had with Standing Cloud, a Lakota Elder, and a clip from a 90 minute presentation I offered during a breakout session.

Two Videos with Dr. Stephen Johnson
Lakota Elder Standing Cloud speaks to Stephen Johnson.
To view this video, click HERE

(My bolding in all quotes.)

Here is the video with Bill Stover AKA "Lakota Elder Standing Cloud" (2012):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iooHk1q7M  (Duration: 4 minutes 3 seconds.)

Is this the same person who works with Diane Gower (2018)?


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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2018, 12:50:41 am »
Today there is a new thread about "Chief Standing Cloud, Oglala", "Born on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota …":

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5178.0 — Is this also Mr. Bill Stover?

At least I found more about Bill Stover, and put it in that thread. Is he also "Chief Standing Cloud"?

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2018, 10:52:43 pm »
Under the name Mahpia Naijin there are some youtube videos. I don't think it's the same guy claiming to be CSC selling ceremony in UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7hP5nE9Uo&list=PLUPAYL0DdkQ-GtsBRqrhxto4T3Vq4kHsT
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR-xn0isGS9HehAUKaPA2Fw

Bill Stover is mentioned here.
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/obituaries/obituaries-for-feb/article_d52ea7a9-d5a2-5396-9fdf-3bd6569d90cc.html
"Angela Rose Gutierrez, infant daughter of Antonio and Pamela Gutierrez of Martin, died Tuesday, Feb. 18, 2003, at Sioux Valley Hospital in Sioux Falls....Michael Cross, Ray Brigg and Bill Stover will officiate over traditional Lakota services."

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2018, 10:30:00 am »
Yes, that is him.

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Re: Bill Stover AKA Chief Standing Cloud
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2018, 09:43:49 pm »
Yes, that is him.

Maybe I was unclear as to the attached photo's origin:

I found some references to Bill Stover as "Standing Cloud" referring to a YouTube video where we see him:
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Here is the video with Bill Stover AKA "Lakota Elder Standing Cloud" (2012):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iooHk1q7M  (Duration: 4 minutes 3 seconds.)
Is this the same person who works with Diane Gower (2018)?


The photo of "Chief Standing Cloud" is from http://www.dianegower-simplydivine.com/chief-standing-cloud [2018], while to see Bill Stover AKA "Lakota Elder Standing Cloud" and "Mahpia Najin" you will have to watch the 2012 video I linked to, or those more recently linked to in this post:

Under the name Mahpia Naijin there are some youtube videos. I don't think it's the same guy claiming to be CSC selling ceremony in UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7hP5nE9Uo&list=PLUPAYL0DdkQ-GtsBRqrhxto4T3Vq4kHsT
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR-xn0isGS9HehAUKaPA2Fw

(My bolding.) This means that educated indian thinks that Bill Stover is not identical to "Chief Standing Cloud".