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General => Frauds => Topic started by: debbieredbear on February 26, 2011, 02:29:47 am
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The first link was sent by a friend:
http://greatmysteryalliance.wordpress.com/ (http://greatmysteryalliance.wordpress.com/)
The second is their new site:
http://www.sacredbreathlodge.com/ (http://www.sacredbreathlodge.com/)
from their "goals" page:
What we see now is that many of the Native American people and teachings which were of this land have left with almost no trace of having existed.
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Their sites both show mostly or entirely nonNative people learning or going to Lakota ceremony. They say they don't charge but accept donations. They say James Shot by Two Arrows or James Crow Dog is their medicine man. I don't see any sign of this group anywhere else on the net except for one site with a gun enthusiast saying he also goes to their ceremonies.
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This kind of exploitation is really sad.
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I know James Shot With Two Arrows but haven seen him in a long time; I dont know why he is using the Crow Dog name. James is from Rosebud, does know the ceremonies but has been known to drink while traveling around and doing ceremonies for non-Natives.
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Anyone hear of these people?
Oniyan Wakan Tipi They are from Crestone, Colorado
Oniyan Wakan Tipi is not governed by or subject to any political organization or tribal government. As a newly defined denomination of Aboriginal American Spiritual practice, we reserve the right to practice our Religion with the freedom granted to us by the United States Constitution. We are sovereign from all other Spiritual groups and individuals in the same way that the Protestant church has amnesty from Catholicism. We are committed to serve the public without discriminating against race, creed, color, religion, or sexual orientation. We refuse to support any group or individual that intends on regulating or restricting the free flowing power of god (or creating the illusion of that)!
http://www.sacredbreathlodge.com/?page_id=552&cpage=1#comment-1627
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On their "allies" page they promote this site,
http://www.eaglesnestcenter.org/
which is owned by Robert and Judy Kohel
Judy Kohel's FB page is here
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=555965919&sk=friends&v=friends
and shows that she is FB friends with Adam Yellowbird and Crystal Dawn Morris (the former being a notorious fraud and the latter being a VIP at the Phoenix Goddess temple / brothel).
I was wondering if there was a "breathwork" link, (Crystal Dawn Morris and many newage "tantrics" promote breathwork) as it is suggested in the URL of the site /www.sacredbreathlodge.com
Just adding a little info in the hope that it may be helpful
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Turns out we started a thread on them a year ago. Merging threads.
They're also on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Oniyan-Wakan-Tipi/190131287698102?sk=wall
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This page describes them as led by Chris and Andrea Long. Chris says he is Cherokee and Choctaw and raised in OK, with a Welsh father. Andrea makes no mention of her ancestry. Again, they claim James Crow Dog, son of Leonard, authorized them. Both claim to be medicine people.
The photo of their group shows 17 people, perhaps 3 of them NDN, though they claim 200 members.
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http://www.sacredbreathlodge.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/OWT-Eagle-article1.pdf
....In fact, the guidance, answers and understanding we seek are available to each of us, stresses Chris Long, medicine man and spiritual director of the Oníyan Wakán Tipi, formerly known as the Great Mystery Alliance Native American Church. However, we may need to be shaken loose from ingrained conditioning in order to perceive and integrate this wisdom.
This shaking loose is one of the primary effects of the sweat lodge, vision quest and other forms of prayer and ceremony that have come down the ages through a direct lineage of indigenous wisdom keepers, Chris observes. He and his wife Andrea, who formed the Great Mystery Alliance about 10 years ago, have taken on the honor and responsibility of preserving and disseminating tools and teachings passed on directly to them by the son of Leonard Crow Dog, one of the world’s most admired and respected Lakota medicine men.
James Crow Dog recognized in Chris the true spirit, humility and integrity of a medicine man and roadman who could lead such powerful ceremonies as the all-night tipi meeting and the Yuwipi ceremony. As a key link in the lineage now being carried on by Oníyan Wakán Tipi, James gave the organization its Lakota name, meaning Sacred Breath Lodge.
Today Oníyan Wakán Tipi hosts regular Lakota language and ceremonial singing and drumming classes for adults and children, prayer circles, vision quests and men’s, women’s and family sweat lodges, all on a donation-only basis. Along with his ordination in the Lakota lineage, Chris is certified and registered with state and federal agencies to lead sweat lodges and all-night tipi meetings in the tradition of the Native American Church.
....Oníyan Wakán Tipi, currently in the process of obtaining a non-profit status, draws some 200 regular participants from across the county, especially during the warm months. Special ceremonies such as the Sun Dance bring participants from around the world. To better accommodate such groups, the organization is looking for an appropriate piece of land and funding to establish a permanent tipi village and ceremonial site.
Chris was raised in Indian country in Oklahoma of Choctaw, Cherokee and Welch heritage. Visions that foreshadowed his life’s path began when he was 9. When he was 17 he created a striking pen and ink drawing of the pipe he later received and now carries. A print of the drawing hangs in the living room of the foothills home near Crestone where he and Andrea live with their children, 8-year-old Uma and 4-year-old Soma.
Chris’s Welch-born father raised his son with ancient Gaelic songs associated with ceremonies at Stonehenge. From an early age, Chris remembers his father telling him he would grow up to be a medicine man. In the winter of 1994 Chris came to Crestone to live alone in the mountains. When he came down after eight months he met a Lakota medicine man of Leonard Crow Dog’s lineage and began apprenticing with him. A few years later Chris received a phone call from James Crow Dog, who had chosen him to receive James’s Yuwipi medicine bundle.
Andrea’s path to Native teachings began with a deep love of nature in her home state of Michigan. One night in her early 20s, under a full moon, she offered a heartfelt prayer that she would be led to what she calls “the real thing” in Native American spirituality. Part of her prayer was, if it was right for her, finding a partner would happen as well.
She found both. She moved to Crestone in 2000 to attend massage school, and met Chris. The couple recently celebrated their ninth wedding anniversary. Well on her way to becoming an ordained medicine woman, Andrea is in charge of women’s teachings and the women’s Moon Lodge. She also is becoming skilled in some traditional men’s roles, such as tending the fire....
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Chris’s Welch-born father raised his son with ancient Gaelic songs associated with ceremonies at Stonehenge. From an early age, Chris remembers his father telling him he would grow up to be a medicine man.
Wow. It's "Welsh", not "Welch". The Welsh people are not Gaelic; they are on a different branch of the Celtic linguistic and cultural tree. Stonehenge is a pre-Celtic (and certainly not Welsh or Gaelic) site in England. England is not a Celtic country, and the ancient ancestors there did not speak Gaelic.
His claims are so blatantly ignorant it's laughable. Long's claims about his heritage make about as much sense as someone from Spain saying their Dakota-born father taught them the ancient Inuit songs that used to be sung in ancient ceremonies at Machu Picchu in Peru by the Cherokee tribes who built the site. And that this very traditional Dakota father always told him he'd grow up to be a Buddhist monk. Seriously... I'd say, "you can't make this stuff up," but, obviously, he did.
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Kat. that description is great know a few that it fits.
"LittleOldMan"
His claims are so blatantly ignorant it's laughable. Long's claims about his heritage make about as much sense as someone from Spain saying their Dakota-born father taught them the ancient Inuit songs that used to be sung in ancient ceremonies at Machu Picchu in Peru by the Cherokee tribes who built the site. And that this very traditional Dakota father always told him he'd grow up to be a Buddhist monk. Seriously... I'd say, "you can't make this stuff up," but, obviously, he did.
Read more: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3221.msg30522#new#ixzz1md3nk4bj
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In regard to Andrea: Ordained medicine woman?? Is that like an ordained minister? I learn something new every time I visit this site.
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james is currently on standing rock, he lives in fort yates north dakota.
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we know!! >:(
We have had Crow Dog come and address our tribal council and the people with ceremony to say that
James Shot with Two Arrow aka Crow Dog Aka Perisan aka Garcia is Not his son, he never trained James,
He never gave him a medicine bundle or taught him Yuwipi ceremony. James never sun dance with Crow Dog,
James has done some bad things here on Standing Rock, he claims to be making bad medicine aganist
people (we dont do thing like that) he has challenged other spiritual people here to fights, he is drinking,
he has followed the people who lost relatives telling them he need to do ceremonies for them for money
and gifts, he has taken money from people and ran off never providing ceremonies,
He know the langauge and culture but he uses it for his own gain.
Most of the people see him for what he is but we have couple of people he has fooled that protect him. Thanks
for this site we can see what he is doing off the reservations.
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I met James Shot With Two Arrows once, he came to sing at a ceremony. He claimed to have some of the NAC altar items from a friend of mine's dad but my friend said no they dont really know James and he was lying about that. I know people who travelled with him at times and heard the same thing - that he drinks and runs around. I know that he used to help at Harold White Horse's Sundance and there is a thread here about Harold and his wife Elva but something happened there and they had a parting of the ways. I had never heard of a James Crow Dog before this thread but nothing really surprises me anymore ;)
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white boy says he is of cherokee and choctaw descent.......has annual sundances and henbleceya and yuwipis and inipi.................also claims to be "authorized by the lakota nation"
http://walk-inswelcomeconference.com/chris-long-conference-breakout-speaker/
uses the word "shaman" at times which is usually good sign that he is a fake
his spot at "the singing stone" also uses possible exploiters of other faiths when they aint playing injun http://thesingingstone.com/
associates with other exploiters...................... "We are a group of collaborators representing many different walks of life. Located at the base of the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in Crestone, Colorado, we are lucky to share this ancient spiritual lineage in such an awe some and magical setting. We are affiliated with many Spiritual leaders such as Steven Bluehorse, Wahee Yuha Maniktelo (Long), Robert and Judy Kohel, Chief Harold Whitehorse Thompson, Thomas MedicineWolf, Sweet Medicine, Marina Villalobos, Rockie Rodriguez (Mama Kia), and Aurelio Diaz Tekpankalli. The Singing Stone is affiliated with The sites listed below. We are the soaring Eagle and the northern root of the tree of life."
he also reads palms......go figure
hes on FB.......nothin but white people at his "ceremonies" and of course there is a fee :)...whey wouldnt there be?
https://www.facebook.com/christopher.long.3154284?hc_location=stream
https://www.facebook.com/thesingingstone?fref=photo
google keywords: christopher long crestone colorado
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Events list David Swallow's sundance, so that may be who his teacher is. Swallow's been back and forth, early on an exploiter selling to whites, then agreeing to the Declaration, and now this again.
Ceremony selling in Mexico and Britain. Diaz is obviously who hosts him in MX, not sure about Britain.
He also has an alleged ghost dance, but I'm sure none of the whites are told the dance is to pray for whites to go away.
This is one of his followers, a flake operating a Nuage dome bed and breakfast.
http://www.kiaraperkins.com/
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More info on them http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3221.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3221.0) when they were Oyian Wakan Tipi
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There is a photo on their The Singing Stone Facebook page of women and children in a sweat lodge. One of the little girls looks way too overheated.
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yes piff....that is them....saw that greatmysteryalliance site a few years ago and couldnt remember name......just that they were in co and had pics of a buncha white sundancers.....same people
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His full name is Christopher Michael Long, according to Colorado state incorporation records for Oniyan Wakan Tipi. It was a nonprofit, dissolved July 2013 (incorporated April 2011). Colorado business searches can be done here http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityCriteriaExt.do?resetTransTyp=Y (http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityCriteriaExt.do?resetTransTyp=Y) Don't know if Long has another company incorporated now.
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http://thesingingstone.com/
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The following ad turned up on the local message board today:
"Traditional lineage Lakota Sweat lodges with Chris and Andrea Long from Colorado , USA.
Thursday July 7th - Mena Dan Women together evening time , in a beautiful wild setting near Glastonbury.
Thursday JUly13th - Women's Lodge"
Has anyone heard of these people?
Many thanks.
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Merged this request with two older threads about them when they used different organization names.
Sally, the short answer is Chris claims to do Lakota ceremony and claims ancestry from entirely different tribes. Andrea is a white pagan exploiter doing obviously fake ceremonies.
https://buffalogoddess.com/tag/chris-long/
Both are ceremony sellers, pay to pray.
Moved to Frauds.
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Thank you for the information. I will try to spread it around.
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Just stumbled upon The Singing Stone website and came to search your website to see what was said. When I got to the steps in the various ceremonies, it was very clear that this was not someone that truly followed traditional teachings:
d) Sun Dance.
?1st level attending and supporting the Sun Dance.
?2nd support for 4 years and assist the sun dance camp with help in various ways or
?3rd to support in the kitchen and or tend the fire and help with formal duties for 4 years or to learn the songs and sing on the drum for 4 years.
?4th after completing roles of support and or from a vision or prompt from a medicine person making the formal commitment to dance for 4 years.
?5th to gather supplies and medicines, going on vision quest, and then Sun dancing.
?6th Completing your 4 years of dancing.
?7th Becoming a dance leader under the direction of the Chief Spiritual Adviser and helping with official leadership roles of the Sun Dance for 4 years.
?8th being specifically trained to be a sun dance chief by the Chief Spiritual Adviser or recognized medicine person and sun dance chief.
?9th Being officially ordained by the Chief Spiritual Adviser and Sun Dance Chief, being in good standing with the community and then being A Sun Dance Chief.
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Fuego Sagrado de Itzachilatlan of Colorado Corp
Formation date 02/14/2015
https://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityDetail.do?quitButtonDestination=BusinessEntityResults&nameTyp=ENT&entityId2=20151105587&srchTyp=ENTITY&fileId=20151105587&masterFileId=20151105587
Founding members:
Christopher Michael Long
Andrea Marie Long
Bruce Elaine Waltemyer
Fuego Sagrado de Itzachilatlan of Colorado Native American Church Corp in Colorado and its rituals have, as a holy sacrament, medicinal plants including but not limited to, Peyote, Ayahuaska, and tobacco
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All participants in rituals and ceremonies will agree and consent to the Fuego Sagrado de Itzachilatlan of Colorado Native American Church Corp Waiver and release form, either through signing the contract or verbally agreeing to it or most importantly agree to it by the act of participation itself, as long as all participants will be made available copies of the Waiver and release form and will be provided the opportunity to object and or learn more about the Waiver and release form, also that it is clearly stated before the ceremonies that participating is an act agreeing to the Waiver and release Form which will be attached to the Bylaws. All members, officers, Advisors, and Directors will have to have signed a copy of the waiver and release form.
this corporation is organized is to be an official affiliate of the Native American Church of Itzachilatlan, recognized by the state of Illinois
http://thesingingstone.com/2015/04/articles-of-incorporation/
NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH OF ITZACHILATLAN AND THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE AND AFFILIATES
Incorporation Date (Domestic) 10/27/1986
(Illinois corporation search: https://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/CorporateLlcController )
Aurelio Diaz , Native American Church of Itzachilatlan and the Western Hemisphere and Affiliates http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=511.0
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Chris’s Lakota Sioux lineage is from Norbert/Elmer Running
http://www.caminodoamor.org/uncategorized/getting-schooled-by-grandfather-peyote/
I ask that all of us spread the word through our personal contacts and address books to let everyone know that Elmer does not endorse nor train ANYONE INCLUDING HIS OWN RELATIVES, in in doing ceremony
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=918.0
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Our Road Man at this time is Chris Long who was ordained in 2006 by Aurelio Diaz Tekpankalli.
http://thesingingstone.com/about/
As a Native American Church we are registered with the D.E.A.
I don't believe this is true. Both of these NACs look to be fraudulent. I don't see any sign of them going to court and winning a Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) exemption. Nor do I see signs of them applying to the DEA for an exemption.
If either of these groups had an exemption, the public would know about it, the exemption process is researched and studied by experts in the related fields.
If they had an exemption, they could not just do whatever with their drugs:
Once a group has obtained a religious freedom exemption for their entheogenic sacrament, they don’t have the liberty to use it freely any way they want to. Their sacrament is overseen by the DEA’s Office of Diversion Control. This is the department of the DEA that oversees doctors, pharmacies, and pharmaceutical companies that import, process, manufacture and/or distribute controlled substances. Just as pharmacies are responsible for keeping records of all drugs like oxycontin that have a demand on the black market — how much comes in and how much goes out, on what dates, how many doses are distributed to how many people, etc. — the legal ayahuasca churches are required to keep records of how much ayahuasca was received, how many people drank how much ayahuasca on which dates, etc., and keep those records for the government to inspect.
http://www.bialabate.net/news/the-religious-freedom-restoration-act-the-dea-exemption-process-and-ayahuasca-healings
These two groups are not legitimate NACs (which are only about a specific peyote religion). They are not legitimate ayahuasca churches, which are churches only about specific ayahuasca religions.
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National Council Does Not Condone Faux Native American Churches or Marijuana Use
https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/events/national-council-does-not-condone-faux-native-american-churches-or-marijuana-use/
National Council of Native American Churches Speak Out Against Illegitimate Organizations
http://www.narf.org/2016/02/national-council-of-native-american-churches-speak-out-against-illegitimate-organizations/
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Of Choctaw descent, he freely shares his understanding of Indigenous American Ceremonies and way of life to those drawn to the Red Road. Receiving a vision at an early age, Christopher learned practical skills from his Grandfather in Oklahoma from a Native American perspective.
Christopher has been ordained in Traditional Ceremonies of the Lakota lineage from many spiritual teachers including Tekpankalli, Harold Whitehorse, Raven Wolf and many others.
https://www.retreatnetwork.com/presenter/roadman-christopher-long/
Aurelio Diaz "Tekpankalli" http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=511.0
Harold "White Horse" Thompson http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1225.0
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Christopher Michael Long's father is Michael Glyn Long. Michael Glyn Long was born in 1938 in Great Britain. He petitioned for US citizenship in 1988 (source ancestry.com). He is said to be of Welsh descent.
born in London of a Welsh family and speaks Welsh along with several other languages
https://www.amazon.com/Dryad-Shining-M-Glyn-Long-ebook/dp/B019EV4G5A
As Christopher Long posted recently on his Facebook, his father wrote a book for Berlitz on Navajo language.
The book "was to facilitate communication between the priests and their Navajo parishioners, with the ultimate goal to preach the Gospel to them in their own language.".
https://books.google.com/books?id=1caEDv4zFgcC&q=michael+glyn+long&dq=michael+glyn+long&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbkrmp98fRAhUCxmMKHUY9C5AQ6AEIGzAA
Uploaded here is a 1966 newspaper clip about a Navajo Language Program conducted by the Berlitz School of Languages.
Michael Long of London, England was the supervisor of St. Christopher's Language Program. Teachers: Jimmie Begay of Chinle, Arizona and Rocky Joe of Gallup, New Mexico.
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Christopher Long has been practicing palmistry for over 20 years. His readings come from a background of intense study and memorization that still continues. Versed in all major systems, he has learned to actually interpret the lines and signs of the hand. By combining various forms of palmistry, Christopher can accurately pinpoint all of the major events of one's life. He can also describe why they occurred. He is able to make such accurate predictions because sometimes we are karmically obligated to act out particular things. Most people will agree that they have never heard a more accurate and in depth personal description of their life character. A great addition for parties, events, fundraisers, and all celebrations! Christopher is also available for workshops, lectures, mail order readings, and group readings.
http://en.gravatar.com/advancedpalmistry
Are you unable to see Christopher in person but interested in receiving a reading?
Simply scan your palm or send a digital image of your palm, face, moles, or other areas that you would like to know more about. Readings may be recorded and sent through email, put on a disc, or taped.
Have you ever wondered what it means to have a certain mole or birth mark? Did you ever think that the shape of your nose could actually mean something? Perhaps you have a picture of someone you think you would like to get to know a little better.
From his 2008 site https://advancedpalmistry.wordpress.com/
Currently, both Chris and Andrea Long list their relationship status on Facebook as "separated".
Also uploaded here is a copy of their waiver and release form.
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The couple are selling peyote ceremony, vision quests, and "tipi ceremonies."
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The Singing Stone <conjurespirits@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: All Night Prayer Ceremony March 31st, 2017
The Singing Stone Community,
....This will be a Peyote Ceremony, more details below. Please let me know if you would like to attend by RSVP. I know it is a bit short notice but we'd love to pray with you if you are able to make it. It has been awhile and will be the next time that Chris Long will be able to lead a ceremony since he will be traveling. The next scheduled Peyote Ceremony (All Night Prayer) is scheduled for May 25th and will be led by me. More details about that and vision quest to come. See you soon!
- Andrea Long
All Night Prayer Ceremony March 31st April 1st 7pm Sunrise to Sunset
Join The Singing Stone for our first 2017 Tipi Ceremony taking place in Crestone, Colorado....
- A tobacco offering is presented to the Roadman (Chris Long), this is traditionally a new, unopened package of tobacco. You are also welcome to offer new pouches, rolled tobacco or cloth bags of tobacco to the Fire Keeper, Cedar Person, Drummer and Door Person.
- It's nice to Dress Up as you feel you would like to be seen by our Creator. Ladies will need to wear a long skirt, and usually bring to use. Men usually wear long pants and a nice shirt. In this Ceremony we dress modestly and also want to bring extra layers as nights tend to be chilly here in Colorado....
- Suggested donation for this Ceremony is $50 to $100.
We do not turn those away who are in need.
Monetary is the most helpful form of donation. If you are unable to make this kind of donation, we would need to be contacted 1 week prior to the ceremony to decide upon the most appropriate exchange.
If you would like to donate in the form of cash, you may make a donation to our Paypal account.
We would like to make a friendly reminder to everyone that we prefer organic foods but welcome all food contributions. Visiting local food banks sometimes is a great way to share....
R.S.V.P. at conjurespirits@gmail.com.To read more about this ceremony visit our website: Peyote Ceremony Details
You are invited to visit Buffalo Goddess Facebook Shop Page, my new online creation. As I am increasingly traveling to various locations offering ceremonies, I figured why not support artists from different areas birthing new and amazing manifestations of Spirit....
COMING SOON!!! BUFFALO GODDESS WEBSITE
This will include a Store with clothing, jewelry, herbs, artwork, drums, digital downloads, and other sacred adornments. Also available on this site are Divine Feminine Teachings, Travel Blog, Prayer Requests, and much, much more. Updates about Ceremonies and events taking place at home in Crestone, Colorado as well as at other locations will be available. Keep checking in! www.buffalogoddess.com
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I apologize for my seeming ignorance, but....what the heck is a "Buffalo Goddess"??? I had no idea that there even was such a thing....perhaps these people are smoking/drinking/eating way too much peyote??? :P
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Andrea Long is still offering ceremony for sale and for "donations" and falsely claiming to be NAC. For Nuagers in CO.
https://www.buffalogoddess.com/events/umalongwisdomvillage
Sweats in the wealthy city of Boulder.
https://www.buffalogoddess.com/events/sweatlodgeboulder
In the twinkie capital of UK, Glastonbury.
https://www.buffalogoddess.com/events/ukceremonies
Tourists in MX.
https://www.buffalogoddess.com/events/2017/2/8/mexico-retreat
Tourists in Costa Rica. Mangled mix of faux Lakota, faux Hinduism, yoga, and taking yage, for $2000 each.
http://www.wherevent.com/detail/Keely-Spell-Shamanic-Sisterhood-Retreat
Happy to say we are the first link listed in searches for "Andrea Long" shaman and 3 of the top ten in searches for "Andrea Long" goddess.
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This is quite the claim they make concerning their peyote ceremonies:
If you suffer from Schizophrenia you can expect a safe episode free experience.
https://www.buffalogoddess.com/ceremony-descriptions/
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Here is an archived version of one of their past websites: http://web.archive.org/web/20110208171208/http://www.sacredbreathlodge.com/
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Unfortunately Andrea Long now has their daughter doing events and ceremonies with her.
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I am glad you have this guy on here. I had a friend who had learned a song from the old site and I teased my friend beacuse I said "you sing it like a white guy" haha. He has since learned to sing properly.
After reading about Chris Long on here I checked out his site again and I saw he was selling:
https://www.buffalogoddess.com/music-for-download/oniyan-wakan-tipi-sacred-songs-cd
I told some other friends about it who had met him and they were upset. I havent been in Colorado since 2000, but I remember being driven to a ceremony in southern Colorado around 1994-1995. I believe it was these guys, but they didn't sing back then. Thats why we were driven down there. Never went back.
Cdogggydoggg
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Here is the link to their godundme https://www.gofundme.com/thesingingstone
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You can write a complaint to GoFundMe here.
https://www.gofundme.com/mvc.php?route=contact/form&t=donation_page_report&url=thesingingstone&pid=941_Reporting_From_Campaign_Page
Here's what I sent. Anyone is welcome to use it as a model.
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The group is NOT part of the Native American Church nor traditional. NAC is only American Indians enrolled with registered tribes. All members of this are white outsiders. One of its two leaders Andrea Long is a white pagan imposter. The other Chris Long is English ancestry with unproven claims of Choctaw ancestry while teaching New Age ideas about an unrelated tribe, the Lakota.
They also use illegal drugs in their fake ceremonies, the real reason for their existence, both ayahuasca and marijuana. The real NAC has condemned these imposters and their drug use posing as ceremony.
https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/events/national-council-does-not-condone-faux-native-american-churches-or-marijuana-use/
By sponsoring drug users posing as a church, GoFundMe leaves itself open to legal and liability issues.
More on these imposters at http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3221.0