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General => Welcome & News => Topic started by: educatedindian on March 16, 2008, 03:01:33 pm
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I don't know if they're one and the same, but I got two very hysterical emails claiming that RC has the right to demand we censor out THE ID SHE POSTED UNDER or else somehow she could have her identity stolen.
There's the usual, threats to bring in lawyers, claims that she's gone to not just the cops but the FBI, BIA, the JAG office of the military base she's on, and probably the Starfleet Federation of Planets for all I know, to report us.
And she's accusing Tissqua of "deformation" of her.
But I think the funniest part is where a group of mystified MPs on some military base have been informed to "arrest us all!"
What? All 500 something of us? I can just see them being given a ten page list of names. And I guess she thinks we all wear name tags. Or she's claiming to have searched out each and every one of ours personal descriptions for the MPs. Wouldn't that be illegal, involving gathering private information? And who knows why she imagines we'd be on the base she's claiming to be on? Talk about paranoia.
As I said in both emails, if there's anything at all that's posted that could be used for ID theft, we'll delete it, even though she is acting like a paranoid loon. No SSNs, no phone numbers or home addresses.
She's claiming no ISPs of her could be posted, but I don't see how that could lead to ID theft. I've looked and it seems like the only one who posted an ISP was HER, of Beaderman/TheRebel.
Anyway, empty threats and hysteria deserve to be mocked for the silliness and pettiness they are. Here's the emails from her and the RNS Admin site. First up is my response to her.
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I also received an email from admin@rednationsociety.com. Tried sending a response and got it bounced back. Apparently that account is not in service.
Like I said in my other email, if you can show us any posts that have personal information in them, such as social security or phone numbers, we'll delete it.
But as far as your name and ISP, that does not fall under right to privacy.
And I'm sure the BIA or the Feds or local cops will be just as amused as you wasting their time as I am.
Actually, probably not.
The email below and the other will be reposted at NAFPS. Silly threats made by people who don't know the law deserve to be laughed at.
But again, if there's any ACTUAL private information posted, just point out the post to us and we'll delete it.
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Then her email.
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Raven <Salnthl@aol.com> wrote:
I left your site last night because I really have no use for the false resources used by Tsisqua. Now I have shown my sources as needed and see it does not matter because Beaderman aka TheRebel and Tsisqua have a personal vendetta against me. Now I see she posted a whole list of false and deformation in her post about me in the topic called "Who I Am".
Now you all are supposed to be card holding Indians right? Then you will damn well know that personal information would not be given out when a White High School drop out calls. Also having the proper name of the person you are inquiring about is a must have and that too will not give anyone the right to personal information.
Also, I did not contact freeweb yesterday but I did today. Why? She posted my IP and my name. The name she thinks is mine. Now yes I am on Federal Grounds and if you are Federal you would know the seriousness of what she did. If you would like to debunk all the claims that you say is wrong about you, then just maybe you would stop allowing all the false statements.
Now I am pissed and as long as you keep that topic up and allow this lie to continue I will be contacting the BIA, FBI, State and Local police and I have an appointment with my JAG and I will have all of you on a silver platter for dinner.
Also if any of you try to come to my house you will have to pass a security check and I have already informed the MP's of names and addresses of all of you and to arrest you on the spot. If you think I am kidding come and try. Because it is ILLEGAL to post a recon on any MILITARY INSTALLATION.
I know that the Owner if RNS contacted you about this and I know you are playing dumb but I told you I am an educated Indian. Also, I am not the one selling the item I am accused of. Besides, the person selling it has that legal right you know and if you ever opened a law book you would know this. Oh make sure it is the AMERICAN LAW BOOK and not the Mexican.
Now I am not all over the Internet posting false claims and IP's and so on about any of you but you all are. So as I see it, I already have the upper hand and I have the LAW behind me, State and Federal.
What I would like to know is, how does a bunch of people overseas have a right to tell us the US Citizens and Native American's what to do? I do know several of your people also are from Europe and maybe that is why you allow this?
So let us think about this a minute here. USA Citizen being violated, Europeans in Europe placing false claims. I wonder...does the International Laws apply. I guess I can ask my JAG that. Did I already tell you that I am an educated Indian?
Raven Crow
[Al's note: I deleted the numerous ISPs that SHE tracked of NAFPS members.]
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Then here's my reply to the RNS email (which bounced sincethe admin site is no longer in sergice, followed by the RNS email.
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You might have better success if you had actually provided your name and the tribe you are a member of.
In all seriousness, please point out any post where private information was disclosed that could lead to ID theft, such as phone number or social security.
Please also note that RC has no cause for complaint if she herself has posted the information about herself elsewhere online.
We cannot remove "identity", or the name she posted under. Such a claim is ridiculous and nonsensical, and I doubt anyone anywhere have ever made that claim before.
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Red Nation Society <rednationsociety@yahoo.com> wrote:
To NAFPS ,
I am writing to demand that you take off Raven Crow's name off of your site. You are the owners of this site and I will not tolerate one of my SL members having her identity being exposed to your site members.
This is done without permission of the named person and I am sure that you know that. I appreciate that you have frozen the topic for now, but the alarm is due to the fact that your site members are known to post identifiably sensitive information and can lead to identity theft.
Please allow me to address my concerns to you in good hopes that you adhere to this demand .
I would rather deal with this between an email rather than contacting our attorneys to handle this situation.
I am a federally recognized Native American and yes, I can prove it to the proper authorities as well as any court within the United States.
I am an avid and active member of my tribe and sit on many legal roundtables.
Please , so not make me go that route of having a new legal matter on your plate.
She has already deleted her account from your site and so with all due respect, be a decent human being and remove her identity from your site.
I am a site owner , so I know that you are more than capable to removing this information within 24 hours.
This will be my last and only attempt to contact you further in this regard. If I see that her name is still on your site, you will know our attorneys by name and so will your hosting company.
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yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn...........not just a fit being thrown but a HISSY!, First off in all of the posts Raven Crow was NEVER threatened. Secondly, What in the world is this person thinking when she has accused all of us of coming to her home?? Are we now a "Cyber Militia"?? Tsi, merely wrote in response to RAVEN CROW'S accusations and made a few very valid points besides. I tried to log into my old account there, because as I, have nothing to hide, my ID there was the same as it is here, but I am no longer able to log into it, so I guess I am on the RNS's most hated list and that's fine by me...Raven Crow, and this is only MY observation, has now turned this whole fiasco, to benefit herself as to why she would not nor could not answer the questions directed to her. Raven Crow came here to start trouble. She came here to make herself the center of attention because she couldn't get it any where else or any other way, and she has succeeded, So this is what I am going to say about Raven Crow, or whoever she is. Raven Crow and we do know your reading this, You have succeeded in falsely accusing every member of NAFPS, of some sort of "crime" when in all actuality all you have succeeded in doing is showing your NON native heart, your mentality and your childish behavior by taking your ball and going home instead of being truthful as to who and what you are and your reasons for coming to this sight. I personally do not take kindly to Threats made on YOUR word alone, and If I was as childish and petty as you seem to be, I would be on the phone with MY NDN Attorney, and filing charges against YOU......I think we would do well...to consider the sources, have a great laugh, and go on with more important causes and issues that DESERVE our attention.
*** This is just MY opinion ONLY***
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But I think the funniest part is where a group of mystified MPs on some military base have been informed to "arrest us all!"
Should I pack my overnight bag?
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yea LOL just don't forget your toothbrush! :)
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oh wait.......don't they supply that to you in jail???
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Toothpaste, toothbrush, soap and jamies too I think. :D
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Well dang..sometimes that's more than what I get at home!! What're we waitin for??? rotflmao
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Do we over here go to jail in Europe or in the US??
If it´s in the US, can I go on the same plane as Barnaby and Ingeborg, pleaseee? Those flights are so boring.
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Was thinking the same thing after I posted.. crap... 8)
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I don't know if they're one and the same, but I got two very hysterical emails
..RavenCrow claims she is the owner of RNS along with Chelle...so I presume both emails came from the same person..
Now I have shown my sources as needed and see it does not matter because Beaderman aka TheRebel and Tsisqua have a personal vendetta against me.
..the only deformation I saw was of Beaderman...an attack that was NOT backed up with evidence when asked...and seemed to be purely a personal unwarrented attack against him...
Now you all are supposed to be card holding Indians right? Then you will damn well know that personal information would not be given out when a White High School drop out calls. Also having the proper name of the person you are inquiring about is a must have and that too will not give anyone the right to personal information.
..although anyone crazy enough to post up their family tree etc on the internet using their real name and names of their parents, children, etc and links to their other personas and pages on the web...makes it highly simple to trace...of which we have done so...and this little ndn RavenCrow...is NOT enrolled! Nor was she born Raven Crow...but I will not post any further personal info here...wouldnt wanna make her cry...but if anyone wishes to see our full background check...please contact me...
....let me just quote this once more...
Also having the proper name of the person you are inquiring about is a must have and that too will not give anyone the right to personal information.
....and then the following contradictive paragraph...
I did not contact freeweb yesterday but I did today. Why? She posted my IP and my name.
...No IP was posted...but yes RavenCrows name was....and in light of her Who I Am posting....that began with 'My Name is RavenCrow...and yes it is my birth name'....it had to be done...nothing against the law there...seems someone has her panties in a bunch?...
Also, I am not the one selling the item I am accused of.
...yet to allow this to happen on her own site...makes it her responsibility...besides...who claims to 'seek out fakes' and allows this kind of thing to happen?...*cough cough BS!
I am writing to demand that you take off Raven Crow's name off of your site. You are the owners of this site and I will not tolerate one of my SL members having her identity being exposed to your site members.
This is done without permission of the named person and I am sure that you know that. I appreciate that you have frozen the topic for now, but the alarm is due to the fact that your site members are known to post identifiably sensitive information and can lead to identity theft.
....ummmm contradiction of terms here folks..again!...who was it that came here and named a person without evidence and gave out an ip??...wasnt that Ravencrow giving out Beadermans personal details??...
Its just drama folks...attention seeking....look at meeeeeeeee...and some more besides....she wanted the attention...she DEMANDED the attention by her tone to everyone else here...that was nothing short of disrespectful...and she's GOT the attention...now she's spat out her pacifier...well, before she starts boooo hooooing....she should re-read her OWN words posted here....its really quite pathetic...why waste anymore time on her...
PS....wasnt it BrownNosed...RavenCrows biggest fan who came trying to re-start an arguement here after RavenCrow left?...the issue had been dropped here.
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Now we've all had a laugh about this I think it's time to move on.
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I agree!
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It was interesting.......... She came over on 'WoodlandIndians' and hasseled one of our administators. Email stalked her. This woman is loopy.
Hey! I live right up the road from Fort Dix. Maybe I should drive up and turn myself in to the Airforce SPs. Do you think the Army informed them?
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I think they would have you taken away in a padded wagon.
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could of seen this coming, can't help but LAUGH!!!!!!
People in the cyber world sure come unglued.
This she said I said stuff is for the young.
No police at my door if they show up tell them to wear
a coat it is cold up here, we have snow
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No police at my door if they show up tell them to wear
a coat it is cold up here, we have snow
I've been waiting for them to get me since yesterday.... Does this probably mean I won't get a free flight to the USA? ? ? Awwwwwww.
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I think they would have you taken away in a padded wagon.
AAAaaawwww! I wanted a ride in the humvee with the neat flashing lights...
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If they come get me I'm bringing my camera and taking pictures along the way, i want to document the scenery. 8)
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'siderin I live in the middle of the woods in a place called Lost City....I'mma gonna enjoy the show of them tryin' to find me........ :D
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I've been waiting for them to get me since yesterday.... Does this probably mean I won't get a free flight to the USA? ? ? Awwwwwww.
Nothing here either. I am hiding up in the north of Sweden, among the reindeer :) Try to find meeeee! He He He.
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Considering that I live out in the boonies with mean bulls and rascaly dogs that consider the mailman a noontime snack , I'd just love for them to come find me. ;) ;D
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The part that got my attention was the statement made by Raven Crow that she was "federally recognized". I am too, by the IRS, social security admin , etc I think the FBI federally recognized me one time too when I was a Hippy and at some demonstration - this guy in a suit and shiney shoes came around and took our picture. I have been reluctant to bring my personal expertise of being "federally recognized" to this forum but it is available upon request. LOL
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lmao....nice :)
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Yeah, there is alot of responsibility and power that goes along with being "federally recognized" - a man has to be careful how he uses such power. If I unleashed it all at once I might cause an earthquake or something. HA! HA!
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I read the post made by this person, looked at the website. Now I want to address a few statements made here in the emails.
Now I have shown my sources as needed and see it does not matter because Beaderman aka TheRebel and Tsisqua have a personal vendetta against me
I seen a negative post made and Tsisqua make a defensive reply to it. I saw you run away when questioned.
Now you all are supposed to be card holding Indians right?
I have seen no where on this site that states that. I have seen something along the lines of "for natives and those wishing to help". Nowhere does it say the members here are all card holding Indians.
If you want your name and IP to be private, then do not ever use your name online, or on public documents. for your IP, do not ever join a forum, send an email, sign up for any e-newsletters, or visit any sites.
I won't quote all the stuff about the military base.
No one has or said anything about posting a recon on any military base, or coming to your house. However this and the other posts made suggest to me a mentaly and perhaps emotionaly unstable person, so perhaps a call to the airforce, and a showing of these posts would be a good idea. I am sure the U.S. military would very much like to know they have a potentially mentaly unbalanced person living on one of their bases.
So let us think about this a minute here. USA Citizen being violated, Europeans in Europe placing false claims. I wonder...does the International Laws apply. I guess I can ask my JAG that. Did I already tell you that I am an educated Indian?
I am a USA citizen. I saw you attacking, others defending, pointing out things you allowed on your site that the natives here in the USA have said are offensive to them and should not be sold, and you defending the right of the person selling those items in direct violation of the proclamations made by various leaders of AMERICAN INDIANS.
You do not have the right to have information YOU posted removed from a site unless the owners of that site choose to remove it. I bet that if you had sent an email, politely asking for your name and posts to be removed for a good reason, the owner and admins of this site would have been happy to do so.
to RNS- you have no real stance in this matter at all. However, you probably would have gotten farther if you had been a bit nicer, and not threatened a legal action, that you do not have the authority to start. If you should find a lawyer to actually take this case, be prepared to pay not only for your own, but for any one at nafps. as it would be a frivilous suit, they can counter sue for fees and compensation for time.
Had both parties just left it alone, the post would have been moved to a second page, and as most people reading a forum, never go beyond the first page of topics, it would have soon been out of sight.
You are the ones drawing this out.
By the way, I have been online a long time, I have never tried to hide who I am. I go where I will and hang out with whom I will, for my own reasons, whether anyone likes it or not. If you don't want to be associated with a person or group, don't get involved in the first place.
Matt
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Something I thought people should see...taken from RavenCrows Blog in RNS....
Most here might remember
Beaderman or his other name which was Frybread. Now even though I at first accepted this man as a friend I in time found out he was not who I thought he was. He at first gave very creditable information but that soon stopped. I then received a list of people he claims others sent him to expose.
I found out this group calls themselves Native American Unity Movement also known as NAU.
What stopped me from trusting him was his desire to own a fake tribal card coming from TwinEagle2Crow. Now my opinion was to report it to the right authorities as to stop them before they could get the card. Beaderman got mad at me and threw a fit! That is when my radar went up. I still called the Muncee Tribal Government and their Police and reported the possible scam about to take place. I gave names and States these people were coming from too.
Needless to say I found Beaderman again and discovered he is New Age and Plastic Shamans site resource and NAU. I also discovered that these groups even though they are out to stop the fakes are really out to destroy all Indian people. I am their latest victim. (No I am not really their victim because I refuse to be a victim) I found loads of information and I went so far as to call one of the interviewed in Canada. His name is Jaye Levall. Boy did I learn a lot from him too. He is a Lakota man whom NAFPS bashed and harassed and tried to destroy. Please everyone, stay away from those 2 sites because they are very hateful people and are cruel.
Right now they claim all kinds of things such as, they can access Tribal Enrollments. Now there is no way on this green Earth that anyone in these titles would ever give personal information about anyone to anyone who calls. There is a procedure and forms the one being researched has to sign to give permission. Even then that information is not given. We all know about identity theft right?
Plus they claim they told the right people in the Military their story that is so damaging to me. Whatever is what I say.
They try all kinds of scare tactics and none of it is validated proof except their own hate. Wahoo. I say, “Bring it on!??? Besides they might give me a more better and exciting life. Not that it is true but hey, it can be entertaining…maybe.
Now I will post the pictures given to me that are of Beaderman. Yes they are scary as heck too. Also with the one where you see his body, take a close look at his arms. You will see that his hands are white and so are the rest of his arms except where he applied the tanning lotion on the top of his arm. That is way too funny.
Now I found out from several people in Ohio that he lives at home with his parents and his parents never knew they had Indian in them. He also lost his license to drive because of drunk driving. He also is NOT allowed to have a gun since he likes to stalk people with them. He also is a woman beater and stalker and the Police in Smithville call him the “White Tonto???. Absolutely amazing!
X. said... they even posted pics of him
This woman is clearly mentally unstable and is out for blood...kinda makes me feel sick somewhat. She's making false allegations...not only pertaining to NAFSP and NAU, but regarding Bearderman also...the fake tribal cards she speaks of were being SOLD on HER site by one of her members...to which Beaderman asked for one as proof...these matters were all taken to BIA and other authorities....again...this is something Sonja Lloyd herself allowed to happen on her OWN website...the sale of fake Tribal ID cards...amongst other things...as Im am sure Beaderman himself wll clear up...I posted this...not as a means to drag this sick womans spew on and on...but to let other people know what she is posting in her private blog...slanderous, vindictive...unbalanced....it appears anyone else trying to seek justice for our people is in the wrong and untrustworthy...yet Sonja herself is to be trusted?! Yet she endorses the sale of fake ID cards and sells Ceremonial items on her own site....go figure those odds ::)
With respect,
Tsissy
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BTW...we obtained the above info from RavenCrows RNS page from the 360 page of AmberWolf aka Crowfeather aka Maggie Gillfillan aka Tso:ka'we Osto:seri....(there are postings already here)...
This is her outlook on the above...(It can be found here:
http://360.yahoo.com/profile-qnOwegw8fPaRSQEXzL0I7cWO )
NOW FOLKS, WTF HAVE I BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG mmmm????... I RECIEVED THIS TODAY IN AN IM, I WENT AND TRIED TO FIND OUT MORE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THINGS TAKE TIME. THEREFORE I HAVE BLOGGED THIS THAT A FRIEND FOUND ON ANOTHER SITE {we are both in}. I JUST CANNOT GET A HOLD OF MY FRIEND TO ASK WHERE EXACTLY THEY GOT THIS.
BUT I THINK THIS SAYS IT ALL. OF COURSE THE SITES INVOLVED WILL DENY ALL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, OBVIOUSLY. FOR ANYTIME I HAVE BLOGGED ANYTHING THEY HAVE SPEWED LIES ABOUT ME ALL OVER 360 TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME. SILLY FOLK. FOR THE 'TRUTH' WILL ALWAYS COME OUT IN THE END, 'ALWAYS'.
THAT MY FRIENDS IS WHY I '''DO NOT''' LIE. IT IS A WASTE OF TIME/ENERGY PLUS THE FACT I HAVE NEVER FELT THE NEED TO LIE hahahaha!!!!. THOUGH ACCORDING TO THESE 'FOLK' I WILL BE THE BIGGEST LIAR TO DRAW BREATH hmmmm.. YEAH, RIGHTTTT.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS..... WATCH OUT BOYS N GIRLS OF THESE SITES FOR THE NET IS CLOSING IN ON YAS, AND THE 'TRUE' WORD ABOUT YOU IS GETTING OUT N ABOUT. oohhhh yesssss!!!!... wowwwwww!!!!.
OF COURSE THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS WILL BE A LIAR TOO HA!, I DO NOT THINK SOOOOO...
YAS BETTER BE GOOD AT DUCKING, THATS ALL I CAN SAY AND GOOD LUCK!!!!. FOR YOUR NASTY LILL EMPIRE IS CRUMBLlNG AND SOMETHING IS GETTING VERY CLOSE TO A 'FAN' hahahahaha!!! oohhh myyyy!!!!.
AND BTW, 'I' HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED 'YET'. JUST WAIT TILL I CHAT WITH THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS ooohhhh!!
OOHHHH AND BEFORE I FORGET, THE PROFILE OF THIS '''STALKER/WANNABE INDIAN''', THIS PERSON SPEAKS OF,,, SOUNDS VERY VERY FAMILIAR *wink *wink.. I AM POSITIVE I HAD HIM ON MY OTHER PAGE AT ONE TIME hmmmmm!!!!...
WELL '''EVERYONE''' ISN'T THIS A TURN-UP FOR THE BOOKS????
STAY TUNED BECAUSE I AM SURE THERE WILL BE PLENTY MORE TO COME. AND YA KNOW,,,, I WOULDN'T MIND SO MUCH, BUT, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CALL ME A WANNABE/NEWAGER PLUS MANY OTHER NAMES. THOUGH I AM NOT GOING TO LOWER MYSELF TO THAT LEVEL, OH NOOO.
IN FACT DURING MY MORNING PRAYER, I AM GOING TO GIVE YAS A MENTION OK.
HOPE YOU 'ALL' ENJOYED.
MAGGIE. xxxx
PS::: THIS BLOG IS OPEN TO PUBLIC, BUT ONLY FRIENDS CAN COMMENT.
NOOOO DEAR, NOT THE SIGN OF A COWARD, JUST SENSIBLE. YOU SEE I DO NOT APPRECIATE ADULTS WHO SPAM FOLKS PAGES, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY tut tut!! HOW CHILDISH, AND SO IS YOUR THREATS..... BUT THEN IT "IS EASY TO BE BRAVE FROM A DISTANCE" mmmm!!!!. AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE *wink...
Please also visit our NAU forums postings on this woman:
http://nativeamericanunityforum.theiforum.com/tso-ka-we-osto-seri-aka-amberwolf-aka-crowfeather-t123.html
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Hello and Welcome Granny........I do have a question to ask.........are you the same Granny that was continuously attacked by a few members of 360 one in particular, will give you a name in private, bout a year or so back????If so I know of You...It's a shame that we as NDN's have to defend ourselves, It's also a shame that in a world of free speech that our every word is taken and twisted and mutilated, These people overseas, need some serious PROFESSIONAL help......like a witch doctor, or a Priest to do a Exorcism because the hate and SH** they are spewing surely shows the minds of demented and possessed people. >:(
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Tsisqua
the fake tribal cards she speaks of were being SOLD on HER site by one of her members...to which Beaderman asked for one as proof...these matters were all taken to BIA and other authorities.
Ah , now this womans behavior makes a bit more sense. I was actually feeling kind of sorry for her thinking maybe she was just unglued and needed help.
I couldn't understand why anyone would want to come here with semi hysterical sounding concerns about Beaderman accepting fake Indian cards, if they weren't willing to explain what the problem was. I suppose all this fuss might be trying to confuse the issue of who was guilty of wrong doing.
What has seemed really strange is up till this information about someone in the RNS group selling fake ID cards, none of what anyone has said about this woman has seemed like the sort of thing this message board usually tries to bring to public attention . But then, no one did try and bring her to our attention. She came here and brought attention to herself. How strange.
I don't think anyone has ever been posted on this message board just for having a website selling sage smudge sticks.
There is probably hundreds of thousands of people with questionable claims of Native descent and there are probably thousands online falsely claiming to be enrolled. Unless people are advertising in cyberspace, claiming to be a tribe, or working with vulnerable people and lying about who they are , these bogus claims don't usually get brought up here. Trying to verify if all the people online named Red Crow Flying Bear Sitting Singing Dancing, really had a great grandndma who was Cherokee would be a full time job employing at least hundred people. And if their claims were disproven they could just reregister under the name Blue Eagle Deer Swimming Flying Seeing and the whole process would start again. ( Maybe when twinkies die and go to hell this is the job they will get given, and they don't get to leave till it's done. LOL )
On the issue of privacy, it seems to be common courtesy not to give out peoples private information, if this information was given in trust, to only a selected person or people, such as a board moderator or owner of a website. But on the other hand, if people go on to a message board and do nothing but be disruptive and try to pick fights , it is a bit unrealistic to imagine that , out of the kindness of their hearts, the message board owners are going to keep a persons ISP private, especially if this information might help someone figure out who the disruptive person is, and why they are being disruptive.
A lot of people who post on this message board do so anonymously, and people often do have good reasons for wanting to be anonymous. Especially on this board where people who post under their real names can be subjected to some truely nasty retaliation. But if people want to be anonymous in cyberspace they need to be the ones who take reasonable precautions to remain that way.
If someone like RC puts up a webpage with their real name and the same webpage has their AKA cyberspace name, and this webpage with both names comes up on the fist page of a simple Google search, along with a matching personal description, to try and accuse people of abuse and endangering your saftey for revealing your real name, as RC has done here, is just ridiculous melodrama .
I know for myself, I have on a couple occaisions stumbled on a small time exploiter's real name or family information , but even though it was online I didn't post it. Firstly because it didn't seem anyone would be safer if the information was made public, and secondly because the only way people would find this information, was through putting together a lucky series of google searches. So even though someones identity can sometimes be proven through on line searches, I could still see where if the person had not intended to make this public, it is therefore semi private, and unless the person is a danger to the public respecting their privacy is the most courteous thing to do. But those situations are really different than when someones real name comes up on the first page of a google search, as it did in the case of of RC.
The whole question of privacy and when people cross the line in revealing information is tricky, but in this situation, clearly the only real victim is the reputation of the mainly conscientious and responsible people, who post here, and put themselves at risk to warn the public about people who lie and take advantage of them.
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Just thought some of you might enjoy this, as I was snooping on a very boring and cold snowy SPRING day.........LOL ;)
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-7VOHixczdKlF_VlBnRilIr4DIpY-?cq=1&p=254
.•?*Tso:ka'we Osto:seri *?.•
I am ashamed to be 'white' btw,,thats probably why its not just the blood running through my heart which makes it red.
Some nutters are making racist comments about me too..But i think its because i have such great brothers and sisters on here. I even have witches bitching behind my back hahahaha!!!!!.. It's totally crazy!!!!...But very happy to see you put her in her place brother. The gutter where she belongs!!!!...Hopefully she stays there..
WELL DONE RENEGADE,
BLESSINGS,,
WOLFIE..XXX
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How funny Sonja (Katterman) Lloyd has to go about all of yahoo 360 and tell stories to various other "internet indians" like thats making me bummed out , in fact its making me laugh even more! birds of the same feather flock together as the saying goes.
If you all can remember she stated I was doing a card scheme now it changed to twineagle2crows , of which heres a post about this ELN member selling his cards on RNS; http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1378.0
I have a up todate drivers lisc. and I have no criminal record. For all these people that claim to know me and did some "looking up" on me.
They missed a ton of facts;
NRA member
Recently purchased a hand gun as of yesterday .44 magnum special to be exact.
Member of a local gun club/range.
Purchased a long gun in August of last year.
(If I have a criminal record I would not allowed to have any of these things.)
Own 2 vehicles.
My name is clearly on the titleof this house we live in along with my mother and fathers , and might I add father is partially disabled and a diabetic requiring some one to be around with him half a day , mother is needing a hip replacement, she had her gall bladder removed in july of last year.
And another fact they obviously missed when pertaining to my local police department. They know who I am very well , have a cousin who is a patrolman. OH-OH-OH!
Heres some more hard hitting truth when it comes to finding out who's enrolled into the EBCI.
For anyone enrolled after 1924 you would need to check with Tribal Enrollment, PO Box 455, Cherokee, NC. 28719. Twice per year, they print name only of all enrolled members.
If one is a subscriber to the Cherokee One Feather , they also print the same thing in their newspaper twice per year.
When it comes to see if anyone is enrolled in the CNO
Ask to see their Cherokee Citizenship cards.
Sincerely,
June Pike
Volunteer for Cherokee FIRST
So this claim of "paperwork" to find out who is enrolled is B.S. and it clearly shows Mrs Lloyd doesn't know what the hell she is talking about along with a few other people that she cohorts with. {laughs}
It never fails to amaze me the levels people stoop when they get ratted out for the phonies, liars, cheats, frauds, snake-oil salesmen, weirdos, and jackasses they really are.
But please don't stop all the B.S. on my request , matter of fact keep it up. I like watching folks dig themselves a deeper hole than they are already are in.
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Plus they claim they told the right people in the Military their story that is so damaging to me. Whatever is what I say.
where? did I miss this or is she talking about my suggestion that we should show this to the airforce?
I have a 360, I should go be her friend. (under a different screen name, so she would have no idea who I am)
by the way, I looked at her blog. she scares me.
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I feel I need to say this as well.
she claims to follow the true path, and then claims that those here and elsewhere are not on the true path, and says that if they were they would not {insert list here}. she then goes on to do the things she claims should not be done. I know you are reading this, allow me to inform you of some things, mainly me.
I am a christian, I have studied a wide range of religions including new age spirituality. I am also white. you claim some distant relative was indian, so you are too. my fathers great great grandparents were pure blood, (i used to know which tibe when I was younger, but don't remember now, as to me it is unimportant)which makes me as indian as this chair I am sitting in.
Everything you say on your blog shows that you do not take any of them seriously. A Christian would never be a witch(by the way, there are a couple different kinds, which flavor are you?) for to pray to any deity other than the creator would be considered idolatry. A which would never brag about their powers, or threaten to use them to attack another.(the 3 fold rule). the only ones who would do such things are evil, and care not about the 3 fold rule. The words you use and the behavior you show online speaks more of the church of satan(anton leveys') then any christian, pagan, or native religion.
You have mentioned how spiritual you are, yet those who are truely spiritual, listen to others with respect, even their enemies( for ones' enemies can often point out flaws that need to be worked on). The truly spiritual person seeks always to learn, to improve, to live at peace with all men taking up the sword only to right wrongs or to correct injustice.
You have claimed that the people of this and other forums are racists, hateful and generaly bad people. yet you engage in the very things you claim they are doing that is wrong! You claim they are not true Natives, but have fallen off the path. How can you claim such a thing? which path? which tribe? do you even know that there are differences?
I have in the past said some very harsh things about christians. I can, because I AM one. I know what we are supposed to be doing as opposed to what we do do(or don't as is most often the case). How can you, who have no real experiance or first hand knowledge of these peoples way's, tell them they are wrong, and you are right? You have admited that most of your knowledge comes from books, how then can you say to a real actual indian who tells you you are wrong, that they don't know what they are talking about?
You see, I studied the various religions from their own writings, not the christianized version, because I wanted to know the real belief behind them. If I mentioned something I learned in a book, and someone came to me and said that I was wrong because they are of that religion/people group, I would annoy them to death with questions, making sure of my facts, asking for other sources. Why? because that is what a person concerned with the truth does. only those who care only for their favorite version refuses to do this.
so far you seem to be the kind of person who cares only for your version, and unwilling to find out the truth. Because of this, you not only deceive others, but open yourself to deception.
By the way, about the rolls. If I as a white called up the tribe someone claimed to be from, and said "I found {insert name here} and they said they are a member of your tribe, is that true?" I bet they would be happy to confirm one way or the other. I bet they would like to know that someone is claiming something false so they can take action to put a stop to it.
About this forum and others being racist. There are a lot of natives that hate white people. I don't blame them. Sometimes when I look around at what has and is going on in the world, I don't like white people much either. funny tho, I have never seen on here any one of them actually say anything hateful directly to any of the white members. So it seems to me to be a hatred in general.
Now, for those forums and pages that are native only, you say that is racist. No, it isn't.
You forget that it is not just race, but also nations. a group, or site for europeans only would not be racist. Just as many nations make up europe, so many make up the native populations of the world. discussing things that concern them without interference from those who have no clue is not racist.
But according to you, if the {cherokee, or sioux, or {insert nation here} put up a site just for them, then that would be racist, and If they did, I should care why? the other nations should care why? Only an idiot would want to belong somewhere they were clearly not wanted, and complain about it.
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Very well said "LOM"
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Please visit our forum to see Ravencrows latest handywork of racisim and disrespect....seems this woman doesnt know when to quit...yet you'll see how she's tripped over her own lies this time...very clearly...hysterically funny... :)
http://nativeamericanunityforum.theiforum.com/post560.html#560
Ive posted in our own forum since we've shown an ip number, and I have no wish to bring further trouble or indeed harrassment here to NAFPS.
With respect,
Tsissy
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