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General => Welcome & News => Topic started by: steve_w on July 19, 2007, 05:08:17 am
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hey fellow napfsters
i was wondering if the indians in here could tell what tribe they hail from. i am cherokee. no offense to the europeans. wait a minute, hey if all you europeans could be in an indian tribe which one would you pick and why? just wondering. thank you.
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Ojibwe, enrolled at White Earth, MN.
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I am of the Ani~Waya Cherokee Nation
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My ancestry is about half Polish, the balance is Finnish, German, and Ojibwe. I was adopted into an English/Irish Catholic family as an infant, a "closed" adoption, not raised in native culture. Became intuitively aware of native ancestry at age 17, and "accidentally" met both natural parents at age 25, at which time I learned of my real biological roots. My natural father's father's mother (my paternal great-grandma) was Ojibwe, but my father never was enrolled. I was an odd-looking child: very light blond hair, and a dark olive complexion. At puberty, my hair started growing in black! I bleached it for a few years in high school, then just let it go to the color it wanted to be. Now at 54 it's mostly grey, but I still have black eyebrows.
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enrolled Standing Rock Sioux
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Since you asked....(-:
I'm dead fish belly white, at least half Scots-Irish in descent. (Unsure as I'm a victim of closed adoptions too.) I'd never thought about it before, but if I could be of a native nation I'd be Crow, just to piss my wannabe-Crow ex-husband off.
Laurel
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I am a mix blood. Porch band of Creek Indians / English-Scotish.
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enrolled Kiowa
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Tansi;
I am Proud to be Cree/Metis, living in the Metis community of Green Lake, Saskatchewan.
Ric
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lost in my own reality..*S*
as best I can do..in percentile order
Scot
Irish
French
Cherokee
Choctaw
Welsh
English
Shawnee
Sikh
hence the name..two shadows...(not to mention I am so big around I cast two shadows)
*S*
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Firstly, let me say I am Ska, a new member, and I extend a warm greeting to you all.
I have been a "lurker" (I think that is what I am called in the parlance of the internet) for a long time. I finally joined because I have been recommending this forum to many others, despite the fact that I have not acknowledged to all of you that I appreciate and respect your collective work. I needed to register in order to express these words of thanks to you directly. So here I am. Thank you.
Now on to the subject of this post: I am married to a Sicangu Lakota fullblood, and my son is an enrolled member of his father's tribe. I grew up in Cree territory, but I am neither Lakota or Cree. I am a Punjabi settler (born in India), now living in the territories of the Tsleil-Wautuuth ("Burrard" band of Coast Salish) on the Canada-occupied side of their territories.
In my husband's generous Lakota way, he says that I am native, but not to this continent. So, in the context of not being native to this continent, here are my "tribal" specs:
I'm a Sikh female descended from a part of India known as the Punjab, a very multicultural part of the world. I am a descendent of the Walia biradari (community), born of Mamik and Tulsi gotras (a gotra is kinda like a "clan"). Prior to the 1700s, my people were called Kalals, a tribe that helped fight back the Afghans and Moghuls who invaded our territories.
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Dago Te
N'dee, Carrizo Band.
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Firstly, let me say I am Ska, a new member, and I extend a warm greeting to you all.
I have been a "lurker" (I think that is what I am called in the parlance of the internet) for a long time. I finally joined because I have been recommending this forum to many others, despite the fact that I have not acknowledged to all of you that I appreciate and respect your collective work. I needed to register in order to express these words of thanks to you directly. So here I am. Thank you.
Now on to the subject of this post: I am married to a Sicangu Lakota fullblood, and my son is an enrolled member of his father's tribe. I grew up in Cree territory, but I am neither Lakota or Cree. I am a Punjabi settler (born in India), now living in the territories of the Tsleil-Wautuuth ("Burrard" band of Coast Salish) on the Canada-occupied side of their territories.
In my husband's generous Lakota way, he says that I am native, but not to this continent. So, in the context of not being native to this continent, here are my "tribal" specs:
I'm a Sikh female descended from a part of India known as the Punjab, a very multicultural part of the world. I am a descendent of the Walia biradari (community), born of Mamik and Tulsi gotras (a gotra is kinda like a "clan"). Prior to the 1700s, my people were called Kalals, a tribe that helped fight back the Afghans and Moghuls who invaded our territories.
Hi Ska, Nice to meet you. i use to have a good friend who Punjab and she lived with us for a while.
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Good morning, earth7
Nice to meet you, too. Hope you and all the other nafpsters are doing well on this good day.
Yeah, it seems most of the immigrants to Canada from India have been Punjabis. Not sure how it is in Amerikkka.
There seems to be a few immigrants from India who make their way to the rez to work, often as teachers, or accountants or engineers. Every once in a while I spot another "Indian" at a powwow (usually not the traditional wacipis, though). There's a Sikh teacher who works at St. Francis Indian School who dances at Hollow Horn Bear.
Jeez, earth7, there's a lot of not good stuff happening out here on the West Coast, with regard to Lakota ceremony. Every time my husband turns around, there's another dude calling himself a "yuwipi man" and, the sad thing is, many of these are men who are Native to this continent but are NOT Lakota, nor do they speak the language. Oh yeah, there's also quite a few "Sun Dance chiefs", "pipe carriers", and "road men" - all claim they were anointed and appointed by the man from Grass Mountain.
Best, Ska
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Where is Grass Mountain??
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On the Rosebud rez, just a little west of Rosebud down BIA 5 along the Little White River. One family's land is called Paradise.
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I am a full blooded enrolled member of the Keetoowah Band Of Tsalagi, From Tahlequah, Oklahoma
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Mother was old line Quaker farm family/ father was the Nanticoke ( Moor) farm help.
Enrolled Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape.
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I'm not from any tribe that I know of I am Norse
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This is the same for me as the only 'tribe' that I can claim is the 'Deep South' here in the United States, born in Georgia and raised in Oklahoma. I asked my father once as a little child about my ancestors and he said we were descended from 'black dutch and irish', what ever that means, and I can prove nothing else. All that I have managed to find so far is: Pushmataha County, Oklahoma - Land: Choctaw Full Blood Docket Surnames: M ..... ADA V. MELTON Case #48, Page 272, August 22, 1939 - In the Matter of the Approval of Full Blood of Corianthan Samuel
Ludlow, Louis Johnico and Ada Melton.
My family will not say much more and my father warned me once with a curious comment that I should not look too high up the family tree or I might find someone 'hanging' there; not sure what that one means either. The 'sir-name' Melton is Scandinavian in origin is all I know so far.
Leonard.
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Red River Metis & Native American= Blackfoot & Sioux
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full blood caucasion here, of mixed ancestry, Steve_w. I've never been asked a question like that, what tribe would I want to be if I were an Indian. I don't know, but I would want to sport the name Dances With Badgers, that might be a pretty cool monicer to have. Later in life, I may take up being a Nuager and get adopted and I could request that name. Yup, I could get on the CB radio, "this is Dances with Badgers West on I-94, are there any lonely ladies on the air tonight from standing rock or rocky boy?" cooooool
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Hi All,
I am a Britiah Celt, of mixed Breton, Welsh and Cornish ancestry, with a smidge of Irish.
My Ancestral and Tribal wisdoms are lost in the mists of time, and I attempt to rediscover what I can by working with a group of reconstructionalists at archaeological digs in and around the Stonehenge area.
I'm here basically for research, and an academic interest in the Culture of the many Native American Tribal peoples. I am interested in everyday life, not ceremony, and I thought I would come to this no-nonsense source, as those in Europe who pretend to be of your blood are often obvious frauds, and I am a cynical person.
I visited the States in 1987 and 1990, staying in Connecticut. Whilst there I visited a site known as the American Indian Archaeological Institute, in Washingto, CT. I have looked online to try to find a website for this place, but in vain.
Oops, sorry, I am taking this off-topic, so I will stop,
Cheers, Jill
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I am 1/2 Absentee Shawnee, 1/4 Kansas Kickapoo and 1/4 Oklahoma Kickapoo...
Shawnees and Kickapoos are "brother tribes"....we go by "you are what your father is"..My name and clan are Kickapoo, therefore I go with Kickapoo....
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mississippi band anishinabe
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Enrolled in Muscogee (Creek) Nation of Oklahoma
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My only citizenship is United States -- and Oklahoma. I love Oklahoma. DNA testing says I am more Caucasian than anything else, but I am tri-racial -- including African American and American Indian.
Through genealogical evidence, my Indian blood is through Cherokee and Catawba or Pidmont Catawba (Saponi, Occoneechi, Monacan, et cetera), and possibly Chickasaw, but possibly not as well. People related to me by marriage DID marry into the Chickasaw. I can trace my first ancestor in Oklahoma/Indian Territory back to soldiers at Fort Gibson, through a family that also helped organize the first protestant church in both Arkansas (predating Dwight Mission by 3 years) and Oklahoma. Those Wayland ancestors who were at Fort Gibson in 1832 were part of the 1st Dragoon Expedition to visit the Comanche/Kiowa/Wichita in 1834, the first government to government contact between these Plains Tribes and the government of the United States. Ironically, that first meeting took place 15 miles (about) from where I live now). In 1872 we came back to Oklahoma to stay, this time in Sequoyah and Le Flore County, when Jeff Richey married Josey Brown, my great grandparents. We later moved to the Chickasaw Nation where we were living at the time of statehood, but we never enrolled or signed up for Dawes. I can document all of the above.
One ancestor lived in the first known Melungeon settlement and in fact I am beginning to think my ancestor coined the term "Melungeon", which is a French word that means "we mix or mingle" -- even today. I have recently learned that ancestor was born in Tipperary, Ireland and was an official of the Church of Ireland whose ancestors had come from South of London, England (Henry Wayland). Henry's grandson was clerk of "Stoney Crek Primitive Baptist Church" where the word "Melungeon" is first known to have been used, and having been descended from Churhc officials, was well educated, might have known French. It was the "clerk" who wrote the minutes where the word was used, and that clerk was my relative. Sme Melungeon researchers ar convinced my Nevil Wayland Sr's (son of Henry, father of the church clerk) wife was Kezziah Gibson, of the known Menlungeon Gibson's, who can be traced back to the "Piedmont Catawba" and were known to have been tri-racial from early colonial times. I suspect this is the source of my African ancestry as well.
Otherwise, I am English, Scots-Irish, German, and God only knows what else. I want to be honest, so I can say most of my "proof" of Indian ancestry is through an autosomal DNA test. I am still searching. My Wayland's/Richey's married my Brown/Guess's in 1872 and we have been mostly in Oklahoma ever since. We have lived near Indian peoples while remaining separate, for generations -- mixed bloods marrying other mixed-bloods, it seems, always assimilated, and never quite one thing or the other, racially.
That's who I am. I still live in SW Oklahoma.
Vance Hawkins
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i was wondering if the indians in here could tell what tribe they hail from. i am cherokee. no offense to the europeans. wait a minute, hey if all you europeans could be in an indian tribe which one would you pick and why? just wondering. thank you.
Not sure how I missed this post. I am a Euro-American who identifies as a Heathen. That is a tribal name: the Heithni.
Live Deliberately!
Yngona Desmond
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greetings everyone ,Im new here and just wanted to say hello to all you NDN Nation's and some who arent,
Im not sure what i am just know that I belong to the First Nations PPLs here in what is called turtle Island .I have relatives from the North ,South .East,and West. So im here as an newbe ...
Chiefytiger
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Hi everyone or dzie? dobry. :) The nation I identify most strongly with is Poland as that is where my father's ancestors were from (from peasant communities outside of Warszawa), though I myself have never been there. My indigenous blood so far as I can tell is Santee from Minnesota through my maternal grandfather, but none of the culture has come down to me. Otherwise, also on my mother's side, I descend from Ashkenazi Jews from Germany, French Huguenots, and likely some blood from the British Isles, though I don't know where specifically.
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Me - French Canadian 3/4, Scottish 1/4.
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Wow...how shall I start this. I guess I can start with the geneology part. 6 years ago my mother and I found out about our german-Native side on my mother's father's side of the family. The first notion that we had Native blood was one word on a death certificate for my great great great grandfather's death certificate for his mother: Ealoly. We usually go with the pronunciation of it because we don't think the person who signed the certificate knew how to spell such a name. Also, the woman handling the records in Cambridge, OH, stated NDN's only had one name. On top of that, they didn't know where she was born at all. Then came a photograph of my great great great grandmother whom was distinctly NDN, but wearing a dark dress and feather earrings. Further back, beyond my great great great great grandfather, there's again just one word: Leonora (most likely was Christianized), and again unknown for birthplace.
My mother's mother's side is full English Celt (Welsh, Irish, Scotish).
The DNA test, through DNAtribes.com (and pretty much THE most comprehensive database of DNA around. Other testing centers can't tell you what world tribe you belong to, just percentage of european, african, NDN, Asian, etc. DNAtribes pretty much can narrow down to a tribal group, unless they have a specific sample from a certain tribe that hasn't intermarried) pretty much helped conclude many things. Mostly, I am English Celt (British Celt), Dutch German, and NDN = Alaskan Athabaskan (the most prominent bar on the graph), Shawnee (those who migrated from Mexico generations ago), and a tribe of Cree in Saskatchewan, Canada. My mother is 1/8th NDN and I am 1/16th NDN...and yes, pretty much I'm only looking for a Native woman. Not only to have her get on my case day after day, but to keep my NDN bloodline going, since I'm the last in my family to have it.
I have no idea about my father's side...never knew him, never seen him. I've been thinking of doing a DNA test myself, just to find out something (at least close enough) about my father. My mother swears he's English, being his last name is Becker (his grandparents were Baker)...but even I seen Beck's and Baker's on tribal rolls, so who knows.
On top of that, I'm adopted into the Alleghenny Lenape.
Well, that's my blood, splattered everywhere on this site...LMAO!
Eric
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Then came a photograph of my great great great grandmother whom was distinctly NDN, but wearing a dark dress and feather earrings. Further back, beyond my great great great great grandfather, there's again just one word: Leonora (most likely was Christianized), and again unknown for birthplace.
Right, so you are a person of distant Indian ancestry who's decided he is an Indian, but really should not be wearing any kind of 'regalia', as documented in the Allegheny Lenape (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1576.0) thread. Carry on fantasising if you must but do it in private: if you continue to act out in public you will continue to be held up to ridicule, not that you seem to need much help in that department.
My mother's mother's side is full English Celt (Welsh, Irish, Scotish).
There is no such thing as an 'English Celt'. People in 'Celtic' communities don't pay much attention to ancestry. What counts is pretty much the same as what counts in Indian communities: Do you know the culture? Are you recognised by the community you claim to be part of? Can you speak the language or are you learning it if possible? Etc. Note I'm not asking you these questions so please don't try to answer. There is nothing wrong with not being Indian.
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"Celtic" is a language grouping. English is not a Celtic language. Ireland is not part of "Britain". While Scotland and Wales are technically part of the UK as it is presently constituted, there are strong movements for sovereignty in these, as well as the other four, Modern Celtic Nations.
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I don't know who you think you are, for outright dictating, saying that I'm not NDN when I am. Sure, i may live in a white community, HAVE to have white within me, due to my english and german side, but you have no right to say I'm not an NDN. You didn't do the geneology, nor did you do our DNA.
As to the Celt thing...I accepted that terminology, not just from a person on THIS board who posted in this same topic, but from my aunt in Wyoming. It completely fits. Better than saying Anglo-Celt.
Here's a phrase another NDN taught me. "You can either be an apple or red throughout. You need to strive to be red throughout and never back down."
As to the regalia...you try to create something on a limited amount of cash and in bits and pieces. Some of us ain't rich! I'm the one who HAS to pull a true regalia together from FOUR tribes - three I have within me and one that I was adopted by. That's the true nature of a regalia, to honor ALL your decendants.
Anyhow, I'll gladly take this topic straight to private message, since you clearly have no honor to tell it to me personally.
Eric
Then came a photograph of my great great great grandmother whom was distinctly NDN, but wearing a dark dress and feather earrings. Further back, beyond my great great great great grandfather, there's again just one word: Leonora (most likely was Christianized), and again unknown for birthplace.
Right, so you are a person of distant Indian ancestry who's decided he is an Indian, but really should not be wearing any kind of 'regalia', as documented in the Allegheny Lenape (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1576.0) thread. Carry on fantasising if you must but do it in private: if you continue to act out in public you will continue to be held up to ridicule, not that you seem to need much help in that department.
My mother's mother's side is full English Celt (Welsh, Irish, Scotish).
There is no such thing as an 'English Celt'. People in 'Celtic' communities don't pay much attention to ancestry. What counts is pretty much the same as what counts in Indian communities: Do you know the culture? Are you recognised by the community you claim to be part of? Can you speak the language or are you learning it if possible? Etc. Note I'm not asking you these questions so please don't try to answer. There is nothing wrong with not being Indian.
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I don't know who you think you are, for outright dictating, saying that I'm not NDN when I am.
Plenty of other people have been saying the same thing to you; you refuse to listen. Dude, you bought membership of a fake tribe: I'm sorry you got suckered but you bear some of the responsibility for it. Your obvious desperation not to be a plain old Anglo made you vulnerable.
Sure, i may live in a white community, HAVE to have white within me, due to my english and german side, but you have no right to say I'm not an NDN.
Yeah, I do. Indian people decide who's Indian. It's not a rigid definition but equally it's not rocket science: even an Anglo like me can understand the broad contours. You are not Indian, and not even the world's biggest hissy-fit can make you one. Hold your breath 'til you pass out if you like. When you wake up, you still won't be Indian.
You didn't do the geneology, nor did you do our DNA.
What makes a person Indian has been explained to you more than enough.
As to the Celt thing...I accepted that terminology, not just from a person on THIS board who posted in this same topic, but from my aunt in Wyoming. It completely fits.
It doesn't: take my word for it, I'm English.
As to the regalia...you try to create something on a limited amount of cash and in bits and pieces. Some of us ain't rich!
Really? Incredible. Who knew? Many Indians wear exquisite traditional regalia year after year at powwows. They must all be rich, I guess.
I'm the one who HAS to pull a true regalia together from FOUR tribes - three I have within me and one that I was adopted by. That's the true nature of a regalia, to honor ALL your decendants.
No, as you've written elsewhere, you chose to be Indian. You do not HAVE to carry on with this charade. As has also been explained, you were not adopted: you paid money to a fraud for something that was not in his power to give. And I think you mean 'ancestors'.
Anyhow, I'll gladly take this topic straight to private message, since you clearly have no honor to tell it to me personally.
Seems you couldn't wait, and so sent me a long message full of the offensive sense of entitlement we are so wearily familiar with, plus some swearing. You are so out of here. Stick to posting photos of your pecker online in future: you will probably find that less embarrassing in the long run.
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Hi I'm new here. I'm Serbian, 3rd generation immigrant, expatriated from Minnesota to the Netherlands. I'm also Scottish, Polish, Norwegian and Sami.
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I'm enrolled in dine nation
DAN
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I AM NORTHERN CHEYENNE. I HAVE HEARD GOOD THINGS ABOUT THIS OUTFIT. GLAD TO BE ABOARD.
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I'm part of that little known Nation, the Annishinabski, Polish both sides back at least to the beginning.