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General => Frauds => Topic started by: Barnaby_McEwan on March 24, 2007, 03:13:39 pm
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He has for several years sought to portray himself as a member of the 'Toltec tradition' invented by Carlos Castaneda. He claims he is a 'nagual' or leader of a group of seers. Even the hippies on the Sustained Reaction message board laughed at him; he was banned for allegedly threatening someone, though I think a moderator just misunderstood his pomposity. ::)
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Here's a collection of his writings copied from the S. R. board.
http://toltecatl.punt.nl/?home=1
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This is just a few selected quotes from one of the websites Barnaby posted a link to . It sounds like the
main issue that got Nahualqo / Nagualqo banned was people felt he was "recruiting" for his "cult".
There was some strong objections to Nahualqo claiming to be a traditional teacher when he wasn't backing this up with any verifiable references to real elders . The subject of cultural appropriation came up in this forum , and there was concerns Nahualqo was a fraud . From what I read it looks like Nahualqo repeatedly avoiding giving any answers and there was some of the same rudeness we saw here . Eventually , after being banned for a while , Nahualqo got asked to come to NAFPS for a "credibility check" . I guess that is how he came to be here . ( with an attitude )
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Nahualgo (11/8/03 10:22 pm)
" A Letter of Introduction of the Jaguar Tradition I am Nahual of a Jaguar tradtion that has very ancient roots. Our tradition came to America, to Louisiana to be exact around the 17th Century. ( con .. )
'We settled near Lake Charles and became confederated with a tribe in the backwoods, we ceased to adhere to any obvious cultural or physical attribute that would identify us. ( con... )"
"I began teaching a few individuals almost 20 years ago and now we have a small cadre of individuals with a relatively large body of knowledge if you go by the standard of Carlos Castaneda as being a body of work that contains the knowlege. I am in the last stages of teaching some of the finer points to a group in California, Arizona and Texas. We should be ready in the not too distant future to begin teaching our tradition en masse. ( con... )"
Sincerely,
Quetzal Ocelotl
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Apparently nahualqo also goes by the name Quetzal Ocelot
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Nahualgo
(11/9/03 11:34 am)
"Do you think a Nauhual would invest his time, energy, hard won knowledge and a lifetime of work in
indulging you? Knowledge is not your mothers milk, your feelings of entitlement are absurd, your patience is non-existent. As far as I can see you are not one of the individuals that I am looking for in order to invest my knowledge and ability. You are folly, not even controlled folly. However there are people who do frequent this board that are deserving of a relationship in knowledge. I ask you politely to step aside so that those that have worth can begin to share something of value."
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wuwei
(9/6/06 12:09 am)
"So now my question about your claimed Indian Tribal membership still remains. Because you avoid stating which tribe you belong to and say things like "if you want a pedigree get a dog" it is quite clear that you have no respect for the wishes of Native Americans that say anyone who claims Tribal Status while pushing Shamanic ideas should authenticate their Indian-ness and state the elders that have taught them their Knowlege.
To not do this is considered by Native Americans to be a sure sign of fraud." ( con ..)
"As you can see, Quetzal Ocelotl, I am using this name so that when people web search for Quetzal Ocelotl they will come to here and be able to see your avoidance and disrespect for Indian concerns.
As you are ....so should you be known.
Please tell us..
what is your Tribe? and who are your elders?"
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nagualqo
(9/6/06 10:19 am)
"I don't particularly care to know you. None of my participants will read this. I desire to remain anonymous except to those I participate with. I have not accepted any students from this board and my personal information should be resepected as such, personal information.
Why do you continue to make a fool out of yourself and make false accusations? Do you think that making a fool out of yourself will get me to reveal myself to you? My family and I am well known among my tribe, we still have original allotment land. I am a good member in standing of the tribe. If you think it is so easy to be a member of a tribe, try it for yourself.
You are proving to be the absolutist. I accomodated most of your requests and your answers and I gave you reasons why I don't feel required to remove my anonymity on this board that is full of louts and bullies that takes great pleasure in dissing Nahualism. (con ...)"
"First of all, you are not representative of any Native American body politic. All your complaints attempt to hide your disrespect as some sort of protection of Native American rights. As if you know better than I our sufferings and troubles a person that has lived our troubles from birth. You don't think you are seen already as a dishonest broker. I will be seen as the traditionalist, you will be seen as you are, a non-Indian attempting to diss a Native American belief system and hide behind an audacious false pretense of protecting Native American rights. " ( con...)
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wuwei
Posts: 1127
(9/6/06 12:04 pm)
"You say you are teaching a Native American belief system ..and that is why I must ask you again
what is your Tribe and who are your elders? If you have not run into this before then it is overdue don't you think? I see that you do seem to try to sell your "teachings" so maybe your student body is anemic and that is why you have come here. I guess that makes some sense. Maybe your problem is advertising. It is obvious you are in trouble on that count. I think that could be fixed if you would consent to a makeover of your personal style. You know ...acting like a racist indian does not make you seem like a real indian..
If you learned more about opening your heart to people that are NOT potential marks for your Nagual scam.. you would certainly do better than you seem to be doing so far."
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( I didn't really see anything suggesting Nahualqo was selling anything )
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nagualqo
(9/6/06 12:37 pm)
"When you prove to me a Native American Indian group is interested in me. I will disclose my particulars to them, not to you and it will be under the condition of privacy no public disclosure of my identity. They will share with you only that I am a full tribal member and they will not tell you which tribe, oh yes and they can tell that my father is well known among all Native Americans. I will also disclose to them my contributions to the Native American community. So if you can interest a Native American group to take the time to wallow in your protestations I can take the time for them. But not for you and not for Sustained Reaction."
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( In yet he has been posting voluminous amounts of so called "traditional" knowledge on this forum )
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wei wu wei
Posts: 884
(9/6/06 1:10 pm)
"I suggest that you do that yourself Nagualgo if you are in such good standing with a Tribe and truly have respect for them.. and they for you. Like I said you could be an apple or worse. a rotten apple.
Proving a degree of Indian Blood would settle the authentification issue ..which needs to be settled first off.. . due to your claim.. I think step two..If you prove you are not a fake Indian ..is proving you are not a flake Indian ...of the new age variety.
I look forward to you setting the record straight as promptly as possible.
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nagualqo
(9/6/06 1:39 pm)
"Since when do I need your affirmation? I should disprove your negative because you couldn't
take the time to start a respectful discourse with me so that I would be obliged to share that information with you in private? No, I prefer you to be the disrespectful gnome on a toadstool than to incurr any civility from you for the price of your disrespect. The price of your honor is to be paid by you, not by me. I have already paid the price of my honor among my people. You don't amount to all that much now do you. "
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wei wu wei
(9/6/06 1:52 pm)
"That is an avoidance Nagualgo.and the usual haughty BS. You need to authenticate or accept being considered a fraud."
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nagualqo
(9/6/06 3:13 pm)
"I provide an unpaid service of benificence to Eluisis. I also served as spiritual counselar to a Native American alcohol and rehabilitation lodge. ( con ... )."
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"Nagualqo got a lifetime ban?(or am I readin you wrong?) wow thats serious."
Ghost Dog
(10/21/06 7:07 pm)
"Naw, Nag hasn't been banned for life... as a matter of fact, he has received the lightest sentence yet for a death threat, a mere month.More in his way, is the conditions he has to meet before he can return. He has to acknowledge that he's not allowed to recruit from here and make a statement that he will not accept members for his cult from SR. He has to accept normal posting restrictions, share his post allottment with his entire cult, no more threats... and two months of probation.
So we might not see him again, but we could if he agrees to all that."
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LillyMist
(10/23/06 7:14 pm)
Re: statement about nagualgo.
Quote:for his whole posting routine has been a recruitment from the beginning.
I don't get it. Was under the impression that Nags tradition is private and one would have to apprentice for years to even be considered.What sense would it make trying to recurit people into something of this nature at a debunking of Toltecs site? I think his interest was more to do with creating a legal body of sorts for education of Native Americans.
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Ghost Dog
(10/23/06 7:40 pm)
Re: statement about nagualgo. I don't get it either, but in Nag's first post here he states he's seeking those worthy to receive his knowledge.
Saying it's private and exclusive is just a way of making it sound important.
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wei wu wei
(1/1/07 2:05 pm)
Reply A vs V Native American Elders and activists are clearly against any new age commercialization or syncretism of their spiritual culture by Natives, mixed bloods or by non Natives.
"Do you think the statement that one belongs to a 1000 year old secret society of Toltec Nonoalcos is suspicious? Especially considering the commercilization of Toltecism in the last 10 years...
If Nagualgo's stated aim is to create a Government subsidised School that is funded by Grants.
Do you think a secret Toltec society that will not authenticate itself as being truly Toltec will ever be getting aid from the Government. And by 2012?
Do you think he will go along with your request at Abe's for NAFPS scrutiny?"
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ga7at
(1/1/07 2:46 pm)
Quote:Do you think he will go along with your request at Abe's for NAFPS scrutiny?
I'd be surprised if he did ~ NAFPS seems like too "open" an organization for his liking
I'm slightly curious to see what he *does* do
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The link below goes to a alternative community project where Nahualgo /Quetzal Ocelotl sits on the advisory board .
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http://www.eleusis.org/main.html (http://www.eleusis.org/main.html)
Vision statement
"We are a community dedicated to thriving in life through the integration of traditional wisdom and innovative practices. Our values are centered around outreach, education, and the growth of body, mind and spirit. We nurture the mysteries of life through creativity rooted in the context of ecological, social and spiritual evolution.( con ...)"
Goals
To provide a space for spiritual retreat, vision quests, a healing center, and wilderness sanctuary.
To foster interdisciplinary research and development in such fields as human potential, consciousness, clean energy technologies, and sustainable futures.
To disseminate this research to the public through the Internet, film and new media projects, festivals, fairs and performances
http://www.eleusis.org/advisory.html (http://www.eleusis.org/advisory.html)
Quetzal Ocelotl
The toltec nagual Quetzal Ocelotl is heir to the jaguar lineage of spiritual warriors and leaders that has kept much of the original knowledge intact. Quetzal Ocelotl is a well-respected teacher and practitioner of this toltec wisdom tradition that has its origins in ancient Meso-america. He was born in the U.S. and is a member of a North American indian tribe.
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Interesting Nahualqo never once mentioned he was a Toltec Nagual in his public posts here .
I guess this is why he was so concerned about what NAFPS does . This forum must look like a mean and nasty place with too many bright lights and inquiring minds, for someone claiming to be a Blackfoot Toltec Nagual , that is contradicting it's claims of being too secret to verify itself , by sharing extensive "information" / ?"teachings" over the internet and and trying to find new recruits on line .
Having seen this guys inability to listen , and and his habitual rudeness , I am a bit concerned that he claims to be a Spiritual leader , a Spiritual counciller in drug and alchohol programs , and in the thread " Using posts for my class " he mentioned sometimes teaching about "Native Americans", in school .
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I participate in Nahualism which is not part of my tribe tribal tradition. Our tradition has nothing in common with Carlos Castenada, not his methods, not his fraudulent behaviors. I have never been connected with Carlos Castenada. Your inference to that effect is specious. Just like Carlos Castenada they have no true knowledge of Nahualism on Sustained Reaction. We don't recruit. I have never communicated with anyone from SR or any of the other boards. None have yet proved to have the integrity and basis of knowledge with which to share. I have no hippie friends no hippie has ever graced us with their presence in our tradition. Our members are Native American and Mexican Indian descent. Your ignorance of Nahualism leads your postings. I don't mix my tribal tradition with Nahualism. If anyone did have any knowledge of Nahualism then we could have shared something of the knowledge. Nahualism for us is a way of learning. The particulars of that knowledge hasn't changed much over the last thousand years. It is as integral today as it was a thousand years ago. Carlos did not describe its tenets any better than any of you. But you are quick to define something about which you know nothing.
Thank you. I use my Nahualist title in the very handle by which I have posted. How much more open can one be?
I have never been to Eluesis. I have had no dealings with Eluesis. They did offer a facility for our use by Native Americans. I have not taken them up on the offer.
the only disagreement I had with you is to include the elders of tribal people
[Edited out more childishness and rudeness.]
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Our tradition has nothing in common with Carlos Castenada, not his methods, not his fraudulent behaviors. I have never been connected with Carlos Castenada.
Anyone visiting the links I posted above will draw the appropriate conclusion about those statements. You even say you met him.
I have never been to Eluesis. I have had no dealings with Eluesis.
They think you're on their advisory board! How did that happen?
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Nahualgo contacted me a short time before he came to NAFPS. He gave me his actual name and described what he claims is the spiritual tradition he's part of.
He swore me to secrecy about his actual name and the details of his claimed tradition, asking me to vow to keep secret even the fact that it exists. I'll still keep his name secret if he wishes, but urge him to say who he is. It would make checking out his story that much easier.
To say that I feel lied to and had my confidence badly abused is a big understatement. He told me I needed to keep these matters a secret for reasons of his safety and his very life would be in danger, and other lives as well.
I offered to meet with him. He said he'd be glad to, but never did go any further. He also wanted me to be an advisor for his group, which I turned down.
Now I find that these supposed secrets have been online in some cases for four years or more, being broadcast and disseminated on many sites.
At the time he told me his story, I was not certain if he was being truthful or not, and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. What he described to me I thought was possibly a pan Indian tradition.
He claimed to me they have no desire to recruit anyone who is not NDN or mestizo. He also claimed to not be a believer in Castaneda, only that there was a tradition whose terms Castaneda had stolen and lied about.
Now I feel fairly certain he is not a truthful person and regret having given him the benefit of the doubt. I myself will not be speaking to him anymore since I don't believe he can be trusted.
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I found the following entry on the SR board in which a member quotes the posting in which Nahualqo threatened another member at SR for alleged treason. This seems to be what was seen as a death threat for which he got banned there:
http://p197.ezboard.com/One-of-the-posters-on-this-board/fsustainedreaction98489frm41.showMessage?topicID=17.topic
The entry dates December 13, 2006:
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One of the posters on this board failed in her obligations and so rants in vituperative dialogues in order to dispel her failings in completing her obligations. If you accept knowledge on well defined rules and regulations, don't whine when you are kept to those obligations under pain of death. It is too late to have received that knowledge even if your knowledge is incomplete, you agreed to live or die under the terms. Not only did you place your life in danger but you put my life in the same danger carelessly, needlessly and selfishly for sharing our knowledge with you.
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I am not the one that hunted you and sought to kill you for your knowing and willful transgressions. It was those that I promised that I would protect this tradition and keep intact the old ways until we can establish a legal body of protection. It was I that caused a wait and see attitude towards you that saved you, it was I that counseled you on how to limit your behavior and play it safe. If you ignore those conditions you do so willingly.
There was no dissembling, lying or manipulation, we were honest and concise about what we expected from you and we believed your promise that you understood that you do not own this knowledge and must not divulge this knowledge in any way. You have neither the earned authority nor do you have our respect nor even a fraction of the full knowledge of our tradition.
You had great potential but instead you chose to misuse your knowledge and now you are burned out from it. I gave you plenty of room to respect yourself and your obligations on this board but you failed in a modicum of self respect.
You have come on this board and dissembled, you display yourself under false pretenses whereas I have been honest about myself and my name.
I suppose these words give an impression why Nahualqo's project has been called a cult by other SR posters: harassing persons viewed as apostates is one characteristic, and it seems to be met in this case. Judging from the reactions to his being banned from that board, part of the membership apparently did not see the above as a death threat because they took him for a nutcase in the first place. This aspect notwithstanding, it is quite apparent that threats are being made by Nahualqo.
The URLs mentioned and the above quote, I trust, also shed some light as to why Nahualqo keeps criticizing us for exposing frauds, and why he insists on refering us to elders.
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Interesting, It's all about control, not much philosophical there. If you check Introductions: OlderthanDirt he replied saying he was Siksika from around the Browning Reservation. I don't think that is close to Lake Charles Louisiana and the Toltec Jaguar Tradition. http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=940.0 Wonder which it is? frederica
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Discussing Nahualist ideology and cosmology is not disclosing our traditionsl secrets. Our cerimonies and practices are secret. I was open and up front about our tradition when I contacted Al Carrol, that was before I ever posted on this board. This board is not a referendum on traditional Nahualism. Unless you are catagorically stating that traditional Nahualism is a new age fraud. Traditional Nahualism can't be learned from Carlos Castenada even though he ripped of some actual Mesoamerian cosmological concepts, to infer that Nahualism was invented by Carlos Castenada is not knowing the Mesoamerican cultures. My communications on this board has been from my tribal connection. Nahualism is not tribal it was a retrenchment into a portable belief system, the result of Mesoamericans losing their state sponsored theocracies under the extreme distress of Spanish colonialism. I won't discuss Nahualism further Unless you are going to intelligently discuss Nahualism. I didn't bring it up. Barnaby did in ignorance of Nahualism. He is from England and unless he can discuss the methodology of Mexica domination of the snake traditions in Mesoamerica, I will consider his comments an unknowledgeable attempt at defamation of character. I never participated in threatening anyone. I mediated a dispute between a previous participant and the elders to which I am responsible. People in our tradition are free to do whatever they wish, except disclose secrets. The only control extended to us is self control, if that fails you will get a wake up call. These terms are discussed ad nausem before one makes a committment.
Nahualgo contacted me a short time before he came to NAFPS. He gave me his actual name and described what he claims is the spiritual tradition he's part of.
He swore me to secrecy about his actual name and the details of his claimed tradition, asking me to vow to keep secret even the fact that it exists. I'll still keep his name secret if he wishes, but urge him to say who he is. It would make checking out his story that much easier.
To say that I feel lied to and had my confidence badly abused is a big understatement. He told me I needed to keep these matters a secret for reasons of his safety and his very life would be in danger, and other lives as well.
I offered to meet with him. He said he'd be glad to, but never did go any further. He also wanted me to be an advisor for his group, which I turned down.
Now I find that these supposed secrets have been online in some cases for four years or more, being broadcast and disseminated on many sites.
At the time he told me his story, I was not certain if he was being truthful or not, and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. What he described to me I thought was possibly a pan Indian tradition.
He claimed to me they have no desire to recruit anyone who is not NDN or mestizo. He also claimed to not be a believer in Castaneda, only that there was a tradition whose terms Castaneda had stolen and lied about.
Now I feel fairly certain he is not a truthful person and regret having given him the benefit of the doubt. I myself will not be speaking to him anymore since I don't believe he can be trusted.
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Nahualqo is also active in a forum called 'The twilight zone' - A Forum to discuss topics related to the work of Carlos Castaneda.
http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/index.php
From his profile there, he joined Sept 06, 2006; his first post dates: Mo Dec 11, 2006 0:50, the last one as of yet dates Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:34.
There is a so-called 'shout- box' at the end of the forum's index site, with an entry by Nahualqo of today in which he explains why he unfortunately won't be able to do a translation:
25 03 2007 05:56:37
nahualqo:
My partner arrived in town and my computer time has been severely limited! I saw the size of the post to be translated, and knew I wouldn't be able to find the time. If it was shorter I would have given it the old college try but it was just to much ahead of business.
And then there is an exchange about the Dutch site publishing Nahualqo's texts (cf the URL mentioned by Barnaby above):
23 03 2007 06:40:31
Blackbeard:
And I also sent a request to the host of his site.
23 03 2007 06:15:57
Blackbeard:
OK, I asked him to remove those posts, and also said it was ok with me to post a link to my site instead.
23 03 2007 06:07:12
Blackbeard:
I know about this (Dutch) site for a couple of weeks already. But...I haven't protected anything written here by copyright. And another thing: Nagualqo, do you want me to ask the site owner to remove those posts?
23 03 2007 03:47:45
nahualqo:
Abe you have my permission to ask them to remove that posting.
22 03 2007 11:17:52
Aesop:
Hey Abe! Did you know about this? - Link Not even a courtesy link! It was copied from here, had to be. Did Nal know?[/url]
(Too late, we've seen it...)
Nahualqo's total number of posts in the Twilight Zone is 342 as of yet, some 23 pages brought up by the forum's search function. There are a few gems among them, like e.g. the one below (in excerpts) which show that Nahualqo is not above posting racist BS and re-writing history, if there's a need to prove and underline a claim of prophetic qualities:
http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?p=6232&highlight=#6232
Unless you have lived extensively amongst the Muslims in the Middle East, then you are unprepared to understand what is happening with radical Islam and the West. In the 70's I lived in the Middle East a completely newbie to the area. As crazy as you think George W. Bush is, he is half crazy enough to deal with radical Islam. I knew in the 1970's that we would be at war with Islam at some point in the future. I know that you wish to blame everything on George Bush, it is the political expediency at the moment, but this war has been going on for thousand + years.
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Radical Islam takes three major forms. Shia, Sunni and secular Baathist ideology that is based upon Nazism. The Mufti of Jerusalem joined Adolph Hitler pre-WW2. He sent thousands of Muslims to fight as Hitlers personal SS troops. He had plans with Hitler to wipe out resistent christians and Jews in Yugoslavia. The Mufti of Jerusalem had plans to radicalize all of Islam for Adolph Hitler and put all Jews in the Middle East into concentration camps for slaughter. Most Pan Arab movements today owe their allegiance and their
ideology to this same man. This man was Arafat's uncle and Arafat learned his hatred of Jews from him.
It has been the radical Islamic plan to conquer Europe from the inside by immigration. They are well on their way due to their intense reproduction rate outstrips all Western reproduction rates, in 20 or 30 years under current Islamic plans and projections Europe will become full Islamic states.
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Warning: do not take any of the above for a fact. For starters, Hitler's first name is spelled 'Adolf'. From all the BS in the article, let's just put right that the Baathist movement never was part of 'radical Islam' or even Islam, since it is secular (Nahualqo should look up the 5 Dollar words in a dictionary - well, perhaps also the 3 Dollar words). In fact, it is/was a political party in Syria and Iraq. One indicator of how much 'radical Islamic' the Baath Party was may be the fact that it was co-founded by Michel Aflaq who was a Christian, or the fact that the Assads, heads of Syrian Baath Party, are neither Sunni nor Shia Muslims . As an aside, Baath originally was influenced by Communist ideology which is far from supporting any religion.
Let me also mention that Pan Arabism had its hey-day in the sixties with several futile attempts of uniting various Arab countries, and as these attempts never kicked off, this movement died. There is certainly no 'Pan Arab movements today', as Nahualqo contends.
As the Twilight is a British forum, I suppose Nahualqo feels it appropriate to rewrite history just ever so slightly to claim that the non-existant Pan Arab movement(s) of today take their ideology from the Mufti of Jerusalem way back in the 1930ies instead of realizing that his support for the German Nazis was a question of 'the enemy of my enemy (i.e. the colonizer) is my friend'. And although the German Nazis recruited Muslim Bosnians to fight *in* Yugoslavia in WWII, they weren't Hitler's personal troops. While the Mufti was in fact Arafat's uncle, another relative got known as a prominent moderate political figure in Palestine, but mentioning this would have destroyed the image Nahualqo intends to create.
And that last bit about Muslim immigrants reproducing like the proverbial rabbits to outnumber us and turn Europe Muslim is a gem that will gain Nahualqo laurels with Europe's finest fascist parties and movements.
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Had to go look this up, always thought the Toltecs were a Aztec myth. http://www.toltecnagual.com/ I guess they have mixed it up with Nahualist. From all I have seen I turn my back on this mess. frederica
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Nahualqo is also active in a forum called 'The twilight zone' - A Forum to discuss topics related to the work of Carlos Castaneda.
'Nahualqo':
Radical Islam takes three major forms. Shia, Sunni and secular Baathist ideology that is based upon Nazism.
In 'nahualgo's' Fox News fantasy world all Muslims are radicals, even the secular non-Muslims! Right, we just need a real name and location for this bonehead to make it easier for people to avoid him.
[later edit]I realise this is complicated since Al promised to keep his identity secret.
I'd bet a large sum of money that he starts complaining about how we're persecuting him, even though he sought us out.
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Great stuff Ingeborg and Barnaby McEwan !
Now where is it, that y-o-u come from ?
Germany and UK ?
Maybe what is needed here now is some true Swedes to come in and tell exactly what a Native American person should think and how they should express themselves in the world !
I'm sure you would all find a common consensus as to how to "police" indigenous folk due to having had so much practice of it in the past.
A.R.
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:-\ You, like him, forget that Indians have been critical of him too. Since we're playing the race card, and your IP address is in Australia, are you Indian? If not, then by your own logic you have nothing to say on this subject.
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:-\ You, like him, forget that Indians have been critical of him too. Since we're playing the race card, and your IP address is in Australia, are you Indian? If not, then by your own logic you have nothing to say on this subject.
I think by Nahualqo's own comments he makes everyone question his motives. It would have been wiser to take the silent road and let everyone just "think" they know everything about the topic.
The above comment is disturbing. How could anyone even pretend to know if someone else knows about a specific subject or not? In any event, I would hope that before anything is posted, that one would have atleast researched beforehand. But at the same time, stop taking cheap shots at someone who might know more that what we think. His/her opinion just might be as valuable as yours.
Blue Wolf
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http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1095.msg6171#new (http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1095.msg6171#new)
Re: Respect is earned mutually, listening to the concerns of others is wisdom
reply #16
Nahualqo
I made repeated journeys with my grandmother to our relations back home attempting to serve our traditional teachings of our tribe. There were so few knowledgeable people that could or would teach our tribal knowledge that my search was fruitless.
If you actually had a Blackfoot Grandma as you claim , you would think you would have learned something from HER , like basic respect . To me , you don't sound like someone who had any kind of traditional influence in their upbringing at all . And I also notice when you posted your introduction in the sustained reaction forum you repeatedly refered to the displaced Toltec people as your people . Not the Siksika .
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1016.0 (http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1016.0)
Hello, I am a member of Siksika (Blackfeet, Browning, Montana)
« on: January 18, 2007, 08:37:04 PM »
Nahualqo
I have been reading this board and I see a lot of condemnation without any substantive support of real Native American belief systems. ( Blah blah blah blah blah con... )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfeet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfeet)
The Piegan Blackfeet (Pikuni in Blackfoot) are a tribe of Native Americans based in Montana. Many members of the tribe currently live as part of the Blackfeet Nation in northwestern Montana, with population centered in Browning.
The Blackfeet are closely related to three First Nations in the Canadian province of Alberta. These First Nations are the Kainai Nation (formerly the Blood), the Northern Peigan and the Siksika
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siksika_Nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siksika_Nation)
The Siksika Nation is a First Nation in southern Alberta, Canada.
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http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/blackfoot.html (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/blackfoot.html)
When the Canadian government/British Crown sought to enter into a treaty with the Niitsitapi (the Real People), they made initial contact with the Siksika who lived on the north and northeastern frontiers of Niitsitapiskaku. They made the wrong assumption that all Niitsitapi were Blackfoot. The Niitsitapi are Ahpikuni (Peigan), Southern Ahpikuni (Montana Blackfeet), Ahkainah (Bloods) and Siksika (Blackfoot).
http://www.pieganinstitute.org/aboutpiegan.html (http://www.pieganinstitute.org/aboutpiegan.html)
"The mission of THE PIEGAN INSTITUTE is to serve as a vehicle to research, promote and preserve Native languages. Founded in 1987, the Institute has its national headquarters and community-based programs on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation in northwest Montana."
nahualqo
Respect is earned mutually, listening to the concerns of others is wisdom
« Reply #16
Our tribe was split into two. Blackfeet proper went to the Browning, Montana Reservation. That is where our family land is located. We have three tribes that are Blackfeet and societies within each tribe, the Blackfeet proper, the Piegan and the Bloods. The Blackfeet proper live in Montana while the Piegan and the Bloods live in Canada.
I guess it is possible a member of the Peigan Blackfeet would not know the name " Blackfeet" was mistakenly applied to their tribe by the English , but I am having a hard time believing anyone with any iinterest in their Peigan Blackfeet heritage , would think all the Peigan Blackfoot had gone to Canada , and that they would not realize the tribe they were a member of , is the Piegan .
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OK so much for the Blackfoot story .
Reply #7 Nahualqo
Discussing Nahualist ideology and cosmology is not disclosing our traditionsl secrets. Our cerimonies and practices are secret.
Reply #7 Nahualqo
This board is not a referendum on traditional Nahualism. Unless you are catagorically stating that traditional Nahualism is a new age fraud.
No one here has said they think it is impossible some Toltec tradition survived in secret , and your critizing us for being reasonably skeptical about this , is just one more straw man agruement .
Personally ,I am skeptical about a surviving secret Toltec tradition as the only people I have ever heard of who alude to this "secret Toltec tradition" are New Agers , not Native Elders . The rationlization that the reason no respected traditional Native people know about this, is because it is so secret, is completelty discredited by the fact you have been very publicly blabbing about it on the internet for years , and all the other followers / leaders of these so called "secret" Toltec traditions , have been advertising , selling workshops and books on these "secret" teachings for years .
If what you have been publishing about on line for years ISN"T secret , then you would think it would be common knowledge to Native Elders . It doesn't appear anyone outside of the New Age cyberspace community has ever heard of this -except to have heard this is another New Age fraud .
In my opinion , if there was a secretly surviving Toltec tradition, the Native community would probably have more knowledge about this , than a bunch of tribally unafilliated newagers with money in their wallets .
I am begining to feel grossed out by your continuing self serving efforts to convince people you are a " man of knowledge" .
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Here is another thread in another forum showing verbally abusive behavior
THE TWILIGHT ZONE
- A forum to discuss topics related to the work of Carlos Castaneda -
http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?t=726&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&
sid=f6eb24efad1ca08b1702ce92167adec7 (http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?t=726&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&
sid=f6eb24efad1ca08b1702ce92167adec7)
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Your on line behavior shows you to be self absorbed , compulsively dominating and uninterested in anything but YOU and promoting your own agenda . You repeatedly contradict your self and you have been repeatedly disrespectful and verbally abusive . Quite simply , a person displaying your characteristics , who also happened to have extra ordinary powers or knowledge would be DANGEROUS.
You can post reams of information about Toltecs and Siksika but everything you have posted could easily have been learned from books , on line, and by attending a couple powwows . And you haven't even got the basic information straight . With no way of verifying any of this , and everything that we can verify being contradictory , it would be foolish to trust anything you have to say . Even if i could
verify EVERYTHING you say , your personal behavior would cause me to consider you dangerous to my mental health and I would choose to avoid you .
Enough already .
( edited April 5 to add additional information - nothing has been removed from the original post )i
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I haven't seen any real research done on this subject except the viewing of other boards. Your threshold to gain ire from this board is way too low to be of any real value. You have now three Native Americans who practice their religions in your frauds board.
[Al's note: More childishness and name calling edited out, as will anything similar in the future. Once again, we don't reward people who act like ten year olds. We're still waiting for Nahualgo to grow up.
And again, you've been asked twice to name the ones you believe to be falsely accused, and failed to. Kindly do so.]
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From the Sustained Reaction website:
kaioatey01
Medicine Man
(4/5/07 1:04 am)
hmmm
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Your on line behavior shows you to be self absorbed , compulsively dominating and uninterested in anything but YOU and promoting your own agenda . You repeatedly contradict your self and you have been repeatedly disrespectful and verbally abusive .
yeah... she's got him
it seems that nagualqo is rather effective in sabotaging himself wherever he goes.
kind of sad, because sometimes he has stuff to say.
This NAFPS site looks kind of loony and pathetic, paranoia everywhere. Some Indians get drunk on alcohol, others on Indianesness, whatever that is.
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wuwei
SR Veteran
(4/5/07 5:32 am)
re: hmmmmm
Exposing a plastic shaman is not sad Kai. Nagualgo tried to butter them up with his Indianess and they tracked him down and exposed him to the light in one page.
it didn't take 50.
[Barnaby's note]Thanks for the info. I've formatted this to make it easier to follow. Here's where it came from:
http://p197.ezboard.com/hippies-on-SR/fsustainedreaction98489newandimproved.showMessage?topicID=5348.topic
And another about this forum, with the usual newager slurs alongside some solid support:
http://p197.ezboard.com/NAFPS/fsustainedreaction98489newandimproved.showMessage?topicID=5350.topic
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Greetings, I am a visitor from Sustained Reaction, somewhat familiar with the history mentioned here.
It seems that you've placed Nagualqo in "frauds" because (in your words) he's obnoxious and talks down to people, yet claimed in his first emails to you to be the keeper of a spiritual tradition, which can't be true, because he simply doesn't have the maturity or humility.
Which is sort of understandable, but isn't really debunking.
It's all very well to say that it's terribly unlikely that Lobsang Rampa (for example) would be the keeper of a Tibetan spiritual tradition, but he isn't actually debunked until he turns out to be the son of a Master Plumber from Plymouth (England).
Similarly, one might say that it's terribly unlikely that Nagualqo would be the keeper of a Toltec spiritual tradition, but he isn't actually debunked until he turns out to be other than what he says, or tells lies, or embezzles, or something like that.
You feel ~ perhaps with reason ~ that Nagualqo is "untruthful".
We have been discussing this on Sustained Reaction, and the crispest example of a lie which anyone has come up with so far is as follows:
"I have no hippie friends no hippie has ever graced us with their presence in our tradition. Our members are Native American and Mexican Indian descent." -Nagualgo
"He claimed to me they have no desire to recruit anyone who is not NDN or mestizo." ~educatedindian
whereas actually (according to the internet) he has at least one (probably) non-Indian student
~ which isn't very crisp. It's not even clear that it's a lie. It does not seem like a good reason for putting someone in "frauds". What do you think?
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Greetings, I am a visitor from Sustained Reaction, somewhat familiar with the history mentioned here.
It seems that you've placed Nagualqo in "frauds" because (in your words) he's obnoxious and talks down to people, yet claimed in his first emails to you to be the keeper of a spiritual tradition, which can't be true, because he simply doesn't have the maturity or humility.
Which is sort of understandable, but isn't really debunking.
It is, if you know something about the standards of behaviour required of an Indian spiritual leader. Before appearing here he lied to Al (Educated_Indian) about how things he'd been writing about on the web for years were so secret his life would be at risk if Al talked about them.
Despite being listed on the advisory board of eleusis.org (as 'Quetzal Ocelotl') he claims never to have had anything to do with them.
Elsewhere, he writes about Castaneda's Don Juan character as if he was a real person, which means that he is either a cynical or a sadly deluded fraud.
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Thanks Barnaby, is the following a fair summary?
He's in 'frauds' primarily because his behaviour (obnoxious etc) doesn't match up to what is required of an Indian spiritual leader;
additionally, he is untruthful or a liar in at least the following 4 ways:
1) he claims to have only Indian members in his organization, but he has (or had) at least one non-Indian;
2) he lied to Al about how things he'd been writing about on the web for years were so secret his life would be at risk if Al talked about them;
3) despite being listed on the advisory board of eleusis.org (as 'Quetzal Ocelotl') he claims never to have had anything to do with them;
4) he implies that Castaneda's don Juan character was a real person.
His behaviour speaks for itself. However, the lies are strange;
for example, assuming eleusis.org is a respectable organization (is it?) why would anyone falsely deny having anything to do with them, when actually they are on the advisory board?
I'm not sure if Nagualqo is still posting here; I hope he will respond.
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The only research Barnaby did was to look up a few web sites where I have posted. He has no authority whatsoever on Nahualism. He is not Native American and lives in England and is not acting with any mandate from any Native American tribe. He has no specific first hand knowledge about Native American religions or belief systems.
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As you can see Rasas, his only response is to try to impugn the integrity of others. He's refused to answer questions for quite some time now. Why he stays here when no one believes him anymore is anyone's guess. A martyr complex? Masochism? But we haven't kicked him off in part because, like other questionable people who've come here before, it's often best to continue giving them the rope to hang themselves with.
"He [Barnaby] has no authority whatsoever on Nahualism."
I'm guessing he meant not an authority ON. Since nag/hualism was never the question, this is off topic.
"He is not Native American and lives in England and is not acting with any mandate from any Native American tribe."
Irrelevant. He's working with NDNs, not acting on his own. And elders have repeatedly called for ALL ethically minded people to do what they can on this issue.
"He has no specific first hand knowledge about Native American religions or belief systems."
By his own account, N has no first hand knowledge about Blackfoot beliefs, yet he still comments on them.
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This is the reason Non-Natives have no business claiming anything about Native American. I am a participant in Nahualism. I have shared my position honestly. The only question is that. I am asking you nicely, please remove Native Americans from your frauds board. If truth impunes someone character then lies are the currency of this board. Barnaby declares me a fraud. What threshold of authority is that? I have participated in Nahualism for 30+ years and I have ventured on sites that supposedly had an interest in Nahualism for 3 years +or-. I am asking you one more time nicely, remove Native American practitioners from your frauds section.
I'm guessing he meant not an authority ON. Since nag/hualism was never the question, this is off topic.
[More personal attacks removed.]
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Nahualqo , unless you can prove YOU are authorized to speak for the Blackfeet people , and this authorization comes from recognized Blackfeet Spiritual leaders , then you have no authority whatsoever . Nobody should have to accept you have any authority unless this can be verified . Get real . It is completely astounding that you keep imagining you do have this authority .
Supporting recognized tribal leadership it has nothing to do with peoples BQ . Your perposterous sense of personal entitlment , to say who can and cannot support recognized tribal authorities really makes me wonder how your self image got so distorted and grandious .
Do you think any American has the authority to sell resources in the national parks just because they are American ?
Do you think any non native person living in a culture that uses hospitals and medicine has the right to call themselves a Medical Doctor and walk into a hospital ?
Do you think any Roman has a right to tell the Pope how to run the Catholic Church ?
Your ignorance and arrogance towards the culture you claim , is truely of staggering porportions .
Even if you were authorized to decide tribal policies for the Blackfeet people ,(and I have no reason to think you are ) you certainly aren't authroized to decide tribal policies on issues concerning the Lakota .
Again I am posting a link to a long list of articles by recognized traditional Spiritual leaders requesting help in stoping the coruption of Spiritual traditions.
http://web.archive.org/web/20051215184610/users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/index.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20051215184610/users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/index.htm)
Those articles name many of the Elders people here are supporting . And there are many many more who are not in articles or named in on line links .
You have yet to name a single Elder who authorizes you or YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS ON THESE MATTERS , in any way .
nahualqo
I am asking you one more time nicely, remove Native American practitioners from your frauds section.
You are saying non native people have no right to support recognized Native leaders if this involves being judgemental about the actions of any Indian . ( convinently overlooking that most of the people posting here ARE of native descent)
By the same logic , what you are saying , is if the Tribal Council calls the non native police force and asks for help in shutting down a crack house on the rez , if that crack house is run by Indians , the non native police have no right to support the request of the Tribal Council . Not only that , you seem to be saying that even one person claiming to be Indian , or one person in Australia who is the on line buddy of someone claiming to be Indian , should be able to demand the non native police force cease and desist in it's efforts to assist the tribal council . That is how arrogant and out of touch with reality you sound .
Maybe it is time you took your own verbaly abusive advice . ( and I am sorry if this sounds really rude - but it wasn't me who wrote this )
http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?t=726&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid
=f6eb24efad1ca08b1702ce92167adec7 (http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?t=726&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid
=f6eb24efad1ca08b1702ce92167adec7)
nahualqo
PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:20
You act like you have some kind of authority to speak for Native American Elders? If you do prove it, otherwise whiteeyes, keep your perjoratives to yourself.
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Despite being listed on the advisory board of eleusis.org (as 'Quetzal Ocelotl') he claims never to have had anything to do with them.
As best I've been able to figure out, Nagualqo may well be telling the truth when he says he's never been to Eleusis or had dealings with them.
On Sustained Reaction last September he said that he supported the formation of Eleusis four or five years ago, on the basis that it would be a spiritual retreat centre where he could host Native American meetings without charge, but it seems that he has never taken them up on it.
Presumably then it would be merely on their own initiative that they list him as an advisor.
We might look at the other alleged untruthfulnesses in more detail;
but first, lemme ask, would it be your contention that it's fair to place people in the 'frauds' section here solely on the basis that their behaviour is annoying and does not match up to what you require in an Indian spiritual leader?
~ in which case, it doesn't much matter whether the person has actually done anything wrong or deceptive?
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As best I've been able to figure out, Nagualqo may well be telling the truth when he says he's never been to Eleusis or had dealings with them.
Depends whether you want to split hairs or not, I guess. Since the man himself has no explanation for this I guess we'll never know unless someone wants to get in touch with eleusis.org
but first, lemme ask, would it be your contention that it's fair to place people in the 'frauds' section here solely on the basis that their behaviour is annoying and does not match up to what you require in an Indian spiritual leader?
It's not I who requires the standards nahaulqo falls so far short of: the Indian people here will be better able to explain them, though I think the simple fact that Indian people say he is a fake ought to be enough for you.
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but first, lemme ask, would it be your contention that it's fair to place people in the 'frauds' section here solely on the basis that their behaviour is annoying and does not match up to what you require in an Indian spiritual leader?
~ in which case, it doesn't much matter whether the person has actually done anything wrong or deceptive?
As Barnaby already pointed out, it is not just a matter of someone's behaviour tending to be obnoxious (which you seem to have weakened to a mere 'annoying' meanwhile). There are certain values for spiritual leaders in ndn cultures, and N blatantly fails to meet them. It is therefore more than highly improbable he would have been chosen by an elder for the sort of learning he claims.
If you are not prepared to accept that these cultural values do exist, and are different from those in Euro society, then asking the same question several times won't change the situation that N has managed to expose himself sufficiently to rate him 'fraud'.
I take it the following is a quote from one of your posts in the SR forum:
b....
04/05 9:06 am
(3) according to their research in wikipedia, there's something wrong with his claim that he is "Siksika, (Blackfoot)"
Please, do not assume that the ndns at NAFPS have to look up wikipedia to know about their relatives. This is a bit of stereotyping, don't you think so? Like, an ndn does not quote wikipedia as a source for further reading for white readers, but needs basic info in the first place.
But then again, probably you really don't, given some of the remarks made in SR about NAFPS and its members:
kaioatey01
Medicine Man
Posts: 2608
(4/7/07 12:59 am)
Reply
Re: Dishonesty
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I am sure your prudish NAFPS friends will be impressed to find you misappropriated Native American, then Indian and then Amazoniam spirituality.
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I betcha those European twinkies wouldn't have the guts to face others in a forum where they can't edit out the criticisms. imagine, wu, if I went and started a witchhunting BB in which I would go after fraudulent imams. Or Druids. Or sorkos from Niger. But in NAFPS you have Brits, germans and Swedes judging whether Wallace Black Elk was a real Lakota medicine man or not?
heh. These guys have zero credibility.
kaioatey01
(4/6/07 3:45 pm)
Reply Dishonesty
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Dishonesty? u'er prevaricating: I said they were Europeans. Twinkies who have taken upon themselves to lecture the worlld who is a genuine NA and who is not. If you don't see the bizareness here, its because these guys are just like you.
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They do not slither into sweatlodges etc.
how do you know?
you made a huge deal about Wallace Black Elk supposedly charging $50 per lodge. I toold you this is because whiteys like you, Barnaby and Ingeborg feel ENTITLED to have NAs work for free for days in order to have a sweat lodge experience. Basically, Barnaby has found another way of exploiting NAs - he is a fraud in his own way.
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must fabricate a negative fictional picture to try to discredit them
wu, there is NO NEED to fabricate anything. these guys are pretending to be more Indian than the Indian themselves. heh... Some NAPFS groupie lecturing Ocelotl, who is a genuine Blackfoot, about Blackfeet (with info gained from wiki).
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hahaha... no you don't. you showed in your posts that you have no idea. you simply have no clue. you are just another Barnaby.
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Don't prevaricate. You expect to be reciprocated for the effort you put into your bodywork. A lodge leader puts much more effort into this (days' worth) yet YOU expect HIM to do it for free. You are a rascal, just another exploiter is what you are. Like your precious Ingeborg and Barnaby, and that 'educatedindian' guy from Sweden. {emphasis mine, I.}
What you all have in common is the need, compulsion, to tear other people down. Other people, like those youngsters in Amazon, who are sincerely trying to understand spirit and themselves. You and the NAFPS people are parasites feeding of other people's passion for life.
You are contemptible!
kaioatey01
Re: re:NAFPS
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ayahuasca would chew you up and spit you out and you'd never want to go near her again.
no, those young people were salt of the earth. sincere seekers, and resepctful. these NAFPS twinkie Injuns are too fanatical, too - undeveloped, to see the real thing.
i mean... what can u expect from Dummkopfs running with the wolves.
i've probably spent 20 min there...and there were a few people i liked. Blue Wolf was one, if memory serves, and there was an 61yr old gramma. it was the 'educatedindian' Admins (Twinkie Injuns) and non-indians (Injun Twinkies) that got my goat.
kaioatey01
Re: sincere and resepctful seekers,
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Many Injuns, for example, be they Navajo or Lakota, certainly prefer to spend it on alcohol, drugs and promiscuity. Forget child support, or such Western a concept as work.
And then these NAFPS pseudo-Injuns have the gall to complain when young people try to take their own lives, and spiritual quests, seriously? Instead of extending a helping hand (provided they know better), they try to kick others down. Pshaw!
kaioatey01
(4/5/07 1:12 am)
NAFPS
Just had a peek at the NAFPS site through the link kindly provided by ra6as.
My word, what a bunch of angry paranoiacs and self-congratulatory holier-than-thous.
Nothing sadder than an Indian blaming the white man for his alcoholism, promiscuity and inability to get a proper education. And the NAFPS 'Indians' seem to be led by a Brit guy and a German woman.
heh
seriously, if this is not pathetic, i don't know what is.
kaioatey01
(4/5/07 10:25 am)
Re: re: NAFPS
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the Administrator of the site is a Brit, who 'runs with the wolves'. And they are others, Ingeborgs, Fredericas... whose holier than thou sycophancy is sickening.
and the second administrator is a guy who calls himself 'educatedindian'. Probably finished high school, learnt to use Internet, maybe even has a job. Now this guy has no problem living in the white man's world, using white man's culture etc... but when sincere young people try to learn about indigenous life, suddenly he becomes holier than thou
i don';t care what they say about Ocelotl. They've pegged him down pretty well. What got my goat was how they treated a couple of sincere young people who went to Peru and tried to incorporate what they've learnt into a new way of life. A bit idealistic, but beautiful. These NAFPS twerps just couldn't see that these people were MORE of the earth than they themselves.
In other words, when one or two drops of native blood becomes your only criteria, you are pretty dead already.
kaioatey01
(4/5/07 10:28 am)
Re: NAFPS
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I was trying to have a look at the 'native blood' hypocrisy, where folks who are nobodys try to be somebodys simply because they (may) have a drop of Injun blood.
but when you look at their resentment and paranoia... makes you wonder.
they are basically Injun twinkies.
kaioatey01
(4/5/07 1:04 am)
Reply hmmm
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This NAFPS site looks kind of loony and pathetic, paranoia everywhere. Some Indians get drunk on alcohol, others on Indianesness, whatever that is.
kaioatey01
(4/5/07 10:39 am)
Re: NAFPS
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hahaha... yeah... you mean the NAFPS Swedes and germans, and the Brit administrator. well, ok, maybe they do have someone who is a 1/32 micmac. And there is the 'educatedindian' guy.
a bunch of 'running with the wolves' wannabes.
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kaioatey01
(4/5/07 6:04 pm)
Re: Truthfullness and NAFPS
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these guys don't like anybody.
they criticize Ed McGaa, Leonard Crow Dog, Wallace Black Elk, Bobby Lake (whose sin is apparently that they talk to white people) and are congenitally unable to distinguish between decent folks like Jamie Sams and outright fraudsters and conmen like Swift Deer.
in other words, while well-intentioned, NAFPS is not run by Indians themselves but by assorted Swedes, Germans and Brits who parade in their fake headdresses while pretending to speak for the NAs. Assorted Barnabies and Ingeborgs, heh. Real full bloods at NAFPS are mainly for decoration. They
know no one can steal your family, your community away from you.
It is the greedy who get upset by greed in others.
It is the spiritually empty ones who are upset by genuine idealistic seekers.
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kaioatey01
(4/5/07 9:21 pm)
Re: not much backbone.
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Criticising Indians for alcoholism and a lack of character as a way to try to discredit NAFPS.
well, i was suggesting these guys have much larger problems than plastic shamans. not that they would acknowledge these problems on their board. But these criticisms were before i realized NAFPS is just a bunch of Brits, Swedes, Germans and Italians playing at running with the wolves.
NAFPS is not about helping Indians- it is about another way for wasichus to assuage their guilt and play at being holier than thou. Just look at that barnaby McEwen (is that a Lakota name, or what?) personality.
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If you have a criticism of NAFPS why are you too much of a coward to do so over at their site?
what's the point? why talk to twinkies with a pet peeve? they don;t care to step out of their little holy cocoons. they're not interested in real stuff, like we are here.i haven't seen a single interesting post there...
... certainly not posts in which a NAFPS honcho shows generosity of spirit or an open heart. The way they treated those young people sez it all. Sanctimonious European twinkies!
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kaioatey01
(4/6/07 12:23 am)
Re: Religion or culture.
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I think you could consider going over to NAFPS and posting your opinions about that there.
wuwei, those people are not Indians. They are a bunch of conceited Europeans who have gotten into their heads that the purity of the ceremony is much more important than fighting alcoholism, drug abuse and crime on the rez. or providing jobs.
Do you think Barnaby invested any of his money into the rez? Ha! Think again.
It's not like the Indians are frozen in time. Many have been in the Army. Others (not enough) went to college. Yuroks, Pomo and Tewas are doing Lakota ceremonies; Lakotas are doing the intertribal NAC thing and powwows with everyone else. If you knew anything about NAs you'd know things have never
been pure. they've always been fluid. The whole point is that the medicine man learns from the spirits. If they tell him to wear skirts or to do everything backwards, he's gonna do it.
So GD is right on the money.
It is amazing what an amount of racism one person can come up with, and this speaks for itself. BTW, Al, do take due note that Monsieur le medicine man already got you 'exposed' for a Swede ....
Anyways, I won't engage in dispute with so knowing a person who calls Jamie Samms 'genuine' and apparently is able to see who's ndn and who's not just by looking at the nicks people use. And who obviously is so well informed as to not know the difference between ceremonies and powwows. But as Monsieur said in another posting: he is not Indian, but he knows a few.... Comment: raspberry {and see whether the system lets that pass or detects an indecency}
But there are more stereotyping comments to be found:
Aesop
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(4/6/07 2:03 am)
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Re: The Hacker Aesop ~ another Sil episode.
Thanks Booth,
I didn't have Nal in mind, but an "elder".
I'm with Mr K on that Twinkie site.
As far as I can tell, they just condemned Nal coz he spelled Adolf wrong. And he has some wrong-headed ideas. Much like themselves.
Yet he authenticated himself (but not his "tradition") to their admin. Who doesn't have gonads to put that one to bed with a simple confirmation. Choosing instead to publish the IP location of one of the site contributers
as a way of debunking him…
Something like "you're Australian so you must be wrong". Critical thinking apparently not being their forte.
custodian
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(4/6/07 7:38 am)
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Re: New Age Toltec games.
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Of course it is true that he tried to buffalo the people at NAFPS at first. And it is also true that it didn't take them long to see the chinks in his personality.
I supect that if anyone cares to ask and has the time to pressure the troll wu into answering, it will be confirmed that wu has been actively persecuting Nagualgo and others under one or more of his other alias(s) at the NAFPS website, and that what we are seeing here is just another false consensual agreement between wu's SR alias and wu's NAFPS alias.
...another sock-puppet type agreement where wu is just quoting his own material.
There is no reasonable alternative yet offered as to why wu is so well informed about how Nagualgo first introduced himself at the NAFPS website and the intimate details of how the situation degraded from there. Obviously wu was there, and a participant.
Yeah, what a great piece of white superiority - of course the 'Injuns' (cf above) here don't have the intelligence to research N, and also us Brits, Swedes, and Germans need a bit of help on the way (we probably don't speak the language well enough, especially the Brits..) - so it MUST have been the poster wu wei wu to jump into the breach and do a bit of prompting.
But one of the best gems is from Mr Blackbeard, not an infrequent poster at SR plus the admin of the Twilight Zone, and apparently our latest addition here at NAFPS. He seems to be into necrophilia, excuse the pun:
Blackbeardd
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(4/6/07 7:06 pm)
Reply Nagualqo
Nagualqo is considered a fraud by the Church of the Politically Correct.
Nagualqo is considered a fraud, because no one knows about his 'secret' Toltec Tradition (maybe that's why it's called secret..)
They say it's not really a secret tradition, for he posted lots of it on the internet. If my memory serves me right, Nahualqo said he was only allowed to tell about certain things, and he posts about what's allowed quite a lot. But, as I've noticed, he leaves out a lot too.
The Elders think not much of Nahualqo: I'd say: f*ck the Elders, they fossilized long time ago. Who needs their outdated views? Only the Politically Correct NewAge followers of an OldAge Tradition.
I have quoted this lengthy to give proof that there is an attitude of both open and covert racism to be found at SR, and the posts quoted include about every racist stereotype there is and was.
Given this way of thinking, ra6as, just what do you expect NAFPS to tell you about N in the way of the various reasons why he has been rated a fraud? Taking into consideration that we have been written off as 'twinkie Injuns' and 'Injun twinkies' who apparently don't know body orifices from holes in the ground in just about every respect - would you and the others at SR be prepared to accept these reasons? I have severe doubts. The atmosphere at SR apparently is marked by presenting the full bandwidth of racist stereotypes to be able to dismiss everything we say, and by a wholehearted 'f*ck the elders' which is not exactly suited to grant a cordial exchange of points of view.
For one, you and others at SR are apparently not able to accept that it is rated a lie when N makes a contact by private mail claiming that all he writes in that mail is secret and may endanger his life and the lives of others when published, and then all he has written has been published in various forums by N himself, years prior to that contact. Just as a hint: if N grew up in Siksika traditions as he put forward when he joined NAFPS, shouldn't he be somewhat more reluctant about telling lies and about misrepresenting himself?
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Just as a hint: if N grew up in Siksika traditions as he put forward when he joined NAFPS, shouldn't he be somewhat more reluctant about telling lies and about misrepresenting himself?
So are you saying that he probably lied when he said "I am Siksika, (Blackfoot.)"?
I could easily understand your calling him a fraud if that's the case.
Or are you saying he's been telling some other lies? If so, what?
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I am a member of the Blackfeet tribe, that is not in question. I am a participant in Nahualism and that has not even been questioned. you have two other bonafide Native American spiritual practitioners in your fraud section that are Lakota.
[More personal attacks removed. Once again, he refuses to answer questions, and continues to lie and defend as genuine two notorious exploiters considered frauds by nearly all NDNs.]
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Hello dear people!
( I tried to register before as "Blackbeard" , the owner of the site "The Twilight Zone", but failed - I never received a reply on my registration, using a Yahoo email addres, so I tried again, using a Gmail address. )
My impression of what's going on here is, that a couple of Europeans think they can tell us how Native Americans should think and act, based on their understanding of what the socalled Elders have to say about it.
Just a thought: has any of you thought about the possibility that these socalled elders are stuck in an outdated view on life? And that there are other native Americans , maybe those like Nahualqo , who have moved on despite the recommendations of the socalled elders?
What's happening here is something like people claiming the true understanding of Christianity is held by orthodox priests, and anyone thinking differently is therefore automatically a fraud.
Something else: I've allowed, no, I even invited Nahualqo to post on my site. Not because I agree with everything he says, but only to give him some space to say his thing.
[One childish insult. I thought about removing Blackbeardd's racist, religiously bigoted, and otherwise ignorant comments, then decided to leave them up for all to see to kn ow just who it is that supports N.]
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Barbanegra,
How nice. A non-Indian telling us that we have outdated ideas and beliefs. Just ducky. Here's a thought for you: Native people who live by those outdated ideas do better in life. It's when we embrace the invaders visions/beliefs/ that we get messed up.
And here's another thought: Instead of focusing on the 4 or 5 non-Indian members you are targeting, read what the native people have said.
Oh, and you were on the members list as Blackbeardd. Don't know why you couldn't post under that.
One question I do have for you: Why is it that when (mosttly) white new agers embrace a "guru" they always go after thje one who is self important, arrogant and a braggart? Those of us who are Native and living in our communities etc, know that the guy bragging his arrogant head off generally knows nothing. It's the humble, quiet person, the one who doesn't call attention to himself/herself, that has the power.
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How nice. A non-Indian telling us that we have outdated ideas and beliefs.
I opted it as a possiblity, not as a certainty..
Oh, and you were on the members list as Blackbeardd. Don't know why you couldn't post under that.
I used a Yahoo! email address to register, and never received that email with the validation link. So I tried again, with another name and another email address (Gmail). I read here that there have been problems before with registrations.
One question I do have for you: Why is it that when (mosttly) white new agers embrace a "guru" they always go after thje one who is self important, arrogant and a braggart? Those of us who are Native and living in our communities etc, know that the guy bragging his arrogant head off generally knows nothing. It's the humble, quiet person, the one who doesn't call attention to himself/herself, that has the power.
Good question. Maybe because the alternative would be joining a NA tribe, and they are too lazy or too shy for that? Dunno, really...
Maybe they have to be 'intimidated' first to be willing to listen?
But I am not that convinced only the quiet and humble persons have the power. It's just a psychological thing: some like braggarts, some hate them.
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Ingeborg
Please, do not assume that the ndns at NAFPS have to look up wikipedia to know about their relatives. This is a bit of stereotyping, don't you think so? Like, an ndn does not quote wikipedia as a source for further reading for white readers, but needs basic info in the first place.
As it was me that posted the references to the Wikipedia and other articles explaining the Piegan and Siksika are actually different tribes , I should probaly make it clear I am not personally related to the Blackfeet , though I recall hearing the Blood and Piegan spoken of as if they were distinct tribes and members of the Blackfoot confederacy . The most authoritive source I have, is the information I posted . If someone knows better information they are welcome to post it , as i am not an authority on this .
Are people thinking the Piegan Blackfeet aren't really Piegan , or that someone who was a knowledgeable involved member of the Piegan Blackfeet tribe would think the Piegan all went to Canada ? If someone didn't know even basic information about the tribe they claimed to be a member of , why would anyone give that person any credit for being knowledgeable about Native traditions ? Doesn't make sense to me .
And there is no evidence i am aware of , that any Jaguar lineage exists outside of Nuhualqos imagination .
If I claim to be carrying divine wisdom from the ancient atlantean cherochuckles tribe ,there is no way anyone can disprove it ,and I could accuse anyone who tried , of being a racist genocidal pig. It would be within the relms of possiblity that I really was who i was claiming to be .
But WHY would anyone believe such a claim when there is absolutely no evidence to support it ? And WHY would anyone think believing in something that there was no evidence to support , was a safe belief system ? Why would anyone think believing something that wasn't true , that was the product of a delusional or psychopathic mind , would work out well for them ? People who lie about who they are OR who don't understand why people need to be able to verify that they have the traditional background and authorization they claim ,would seem to me to be too self engrossed to be any kind of Spiritual guide . I have never known a verbally abusive or dishonest Elder. What I am saying isn't so much " Native wisdom " about "Native traditions" . It's just common sense .
ra6as
So are you saying that he probably lied when he said "I am Siksika, (Blackfoot.)"?
There is no proof either way , but why should anyone believe this ? And why would someone who was mentally healthy make grandious public claims they refused to verify, and be insulted when people with common sense thought those claims might not be true?
Should anyone who wants be able to say they are an Indian and claim to have some traditional knowledge they want people to respect without giving any way of verifying this ? Should anyone who wants be able to claim to be a doctor , or psycholgist or minister or governer but not have to authenticate these claims? Any society that was run on these principals with no respect for the internal organization and respect for the authority to maintain this internal organization would quickly degenerate into chaos . That is what nahualqo is advocting . Doesn't sound like someone " working for the good of his people " to me.
Sounds like someone working to open the way for exploiters .
Barbanegra
Just a thought: has any of you thought about the possibility that these socalled elders are stuck in an outdated view on life? And that there are other native Americans , maybe those like Nahualqo , who have moved on despite the recommendations of the socalled elders?
No i don't think the wisdom of traditional Elders is outdated , and if YOU think it is, why don't you enjoy your modren outlook and leave native traditions alone? It's so completely hypocritical to turn to native people and say " feed us", we have trashed our own connection with the Sacred , but then you turn around and expect to do the very same thing to native traditions that trashed your own . Thats sick .
Really Really Sick .
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Where did I say the view of the elders is outdated? I said:
has any of you thought about the possibility that...
And there is no evidence i am aware of , that any Jaguar lineage exists outside of Nuhualqos imagination .
True, but he said it's a secret lineage, hence it is to be expected no one knows about it outside that lineage, or else it wouldn't be much of a secret lineage, now would it?
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My english apparently isn't good enough (I am Dutch), for I read the next sentence about ten times now, and i still don't understand what you are saying Moma:
It's so completely hypocritical to turn to native people and say " feed us", we have trashed our own connection with the Sacred , but then you turn around and expect to do the very same thing to native traditions that trashed your own.
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Barbanegra,
A person who was SINCERE wouldn't have to join a tribe to learn things. They probably are too lazy to want to learn anything correctly. That actually would take time and effort. I have found that most new age types want everything right this instant. So when some bragging lying scum ball comes along and says "I have all the answers, give me money and I will teach you" they jump at it. But when they find out it's all fake, instead of getting angry at first themselves for being stupid and second at the exploiter who took them for a merry dance to fantasy island, they get angry with Indians.
AS for your backing off on saying our ways are outdated, quit being coy. You worded it in such a way that most people reading it would see what moma and I saw.
As for your remark about being intimidated into it. Maybe they do believe that. Creator knows that the white scumbag, Lynn Andrewes has gotten very wealthy writing about just such a scenario. Except that what she writes is as phoney as it gets. Heck, her ex-lover, David Carson, even admitted that he co-wrote her first 3 o 4 books and the characters were based on his two Choctaw aunts. He was about to expose more of her doings when she paid him a handsome sum of money to shut up.
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OK, I hope I can make myself clear enough without making a wrong impression.
There are maybe 2 reasons why someone asks money from people who want to be taught:
-1- They want to get rich quick and easy;
-2- They assume that they should ask for money because they think that those willing to pay are more sincere in their quest than those who refuse to pay a dime.
But when they find out it's all fake, instead of getting angry at first themselves for being stupid and second at the exploiter who took them for a merry dance to fantasy island, they get angry with Indians.
If you have ever visited the Sustained Reaction site, you'd know that's not true: as far as I remember no one there who felt cheated by Carlos Castaneda ever got angry with Indians. And on SR they talk about others being frauds, and still they don't jump on Indians out of some kind of revenge.
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What i'm saying is ;
It's completely hypocritical to turn to native people and say , "we need your traditions to help us , we have ruined our own connection with the Sacred " , but then you turn around , and expect to have the right to do the very same thing , to native traditions , that diminished the Sacredness of your own .
Information about a secret lineage would not be posted on the internet . I am sure people who want to believe this, will imagine some way it might be true .
Considering all the frauds out there , and the very real damage they do to peoples lives ( read the thread " whats the harm ?"to get a glimpes of this ) it would seem if Nahualqo had any concern for peoples safety , he would not be offended when people felt a need to verify that he is of the lineage he claims . Obviously other peoples safety is not his concern .
It isn't reasonable to position oneself, as nahualqo has , to recieve the attention of non native people and then turn around and insist you expect non native people to mind their own business . You can't have it both ways .
All the Native Elders i have known are practical , moral and reasonable people . It is just non natiive thrill seekers that put all that woo woo stuff ahead of basic common sense and moral values . Nahualqo does not act like a reasonable or moral person .
Maybe i'm wrong . I'm not an authority on anything . I support the Elders and traditions that i love , and that have supported me . Use your common sense .
I have never heard of any Native Spiritual tradition that involves intimidation or domination . As far as i know domination as a way to Spiritual harmony and strength is a totally non native behavior / belief system . I think that is one of the reasons most Native people find Lynn Andrews and Carlos Casteneda so offensive . If there was anything "real " in those books , it is about "bad medicine' . There is a book called "the grass dancer" by Susan Power . It is a good story by a Lakota woman and it shows what happens when ' medicine " gets used by people who don't respect the traditional moral guidelines that keep people from getting hurt . You folks might enjoy that book . Lots of wooo wooo stuff there ...
As I say , I am not an authority and if anyone has better information than this ,or feels what I am saying is incorrect I hope they will correct me .
( edited to add ; the book "The Grass Dancer " is a work of fiction , but I think it is generally a more accurate reflection of Native beliefs about " bad medicine" than Lynn Andrews and Carlos Casteneda's works of fiction )
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True, but he said it's a secret lineage, hence it is to be expected no one knows about it outside that lineage, or else it wouldn't be much of a secret lineage, now would it?
I suggest you stop patronising people if you want to be taken seriously.
nahualqo has been advertising his secret tradition on the web since 2003. Around the end of last year, he emailed Al (Educated_Indian) here, saying that lives would be in danger if Al revealed what was in their correspondence, most of which Al has confirmed was already on the web. I don't know when this correspondence took place but by January 11th this year, nahualqo had announced on your forum (http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?t=662&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45) that Al was not racially pure enough to judge what he was saying:
I did make contact with someone that runs the board. He is of Apache, Irish and other extraction but is not even enrolled in his tribe. He has no tribal authority whatsoever to judge anyone.
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If people want to believe that someone who writes things like that, endorses Castaneda's fraudulent writings, insults women, and generally behaves like a pompous idiot is a spiritual teacher then that's fine, but they can't complain they weren't warned.
And by the way I've just perfected cold fusion and can let you in on the secrets if you agree to let me and my secret tradition of physics professors spend twenty years teaching you physics. You must never speak of what I teach you or people's very lives will be in danger!
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You and others at SR are apparently not able to accept that it is rated a lie when N makes a contact by private mail claiming that all he writes in that mail is secret and may endanger his life and the lives of others when published, and then all he has written has been published in various forums by N himself, years prior to that contact.
You are saying ~ I think ~ that
(1) Nagualqo wrote an email message to Al, asking Al to keep the details confidential since his (Nagualqo's) life would be endangered if they were revealed;
(2) it turns out that Nagualqo had actually already revealed the details, years previously, on the internet;
(3) therefore Nagualqo is lying in saying that the details should be kept confidential.
But that doesn't make sense.
How would Nagualqo ever know that his life would be endangered, if he *hadn't* already tried revealing the details on the internet and found that his life *was* thereby endangered?
If Nagualqo revealed the details years ago, and found that his life was thereby endangered, then he is telling the truth when he says to Al "Please don't reveal these details, it would endanger my life."
You may think this is sophistry, or splitting hairs.
Well, that's not a problem.
If you can accuse Nagualqo of an honest-to-goodness lie, then by all means go ahead and do it. But what you've accused him of so far is ridiculous. Maybe because he *is* ridiculous.
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If Nagualqo revealed the details years ago, and found that his life was thereby endangered, then he is telling the truth when he says to Al "Please don't reveal these details, it would endanger my life."
nahualqo has said he was planning to go public. An alternative and more likely explanation is that nahaualqo, overestimating his own intelligence and underestimating other people's, thought he could dupe Al into giving some academic respectability to nahaulqo's planned public emergence of his supposedly secret tradition. Little did he suspect that history professors generally know how to use search engines.
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Well, fine. These are all insinuations, and they might well have solid reasons behind them.
But unless and until you can substantiate them, you surely should not put Nagualqo in the 'frauds' section.
You could well start a new section for the ridiculous and the evasive, and put Nagualqo in that.
Why do I say this?
Well, for one thing, your putting Nagualqo in 'frauds' on the basis of what you've come up with so far, undermines your categorization of all the other people you've put in 'frauds'.
For example, what about the other two Native Americans on whose behalf Nagualqo is complaining here?
As things stand, you have accused Nagualqo of lying.
There could well be some solid lies yet to come out of this thing; discussion on this very point is ongoing at Sustained Reaction, in case you are interested.
But what one sees so far is that Nagualqo has insulted several of you, and you have put him in 'frauds' because you find his behaviour obnoxious and not matching up to what one would reasonably require in an Indian spiritual leader.
[Falsehoods and personal attacks removed.]
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We've been over this enough times now. If you like, you can go back over everything nahualqo's written here, every response, everything he's written elsewhere, and rehash it. I have better things to do on this sunny day.
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"would it be your contention that it's fair to place people in the 'frauds' section here solely on the basis that their behaviour is annoying and does not match up to what you require in an Indian spiritual leader?"
Rasas, it's very condescending of you to reduce what we're saying to a caricature, and bordering on racism to for you to assume that you (as a European, judging by your British spelling) know better than NDNs do what should be the qualities of a Native spiritual leader.
Since you're having trouble getting the obvious, let me make it clear yet again.
He explicitly told me his alleged lineage was *secret*. Secret means no one else knows.
He's not just "annoying". (Well, many would disagree with me, including on the SR board.)
He's a bully.
He's a liar, and a pretty obvious one.
He's very disrespectful in the way he treats women. No Native leader would do that, outside of some of the more self aggrandizing Russell Means types who mostly have nonNative followers.
He's sanctimonious, with no humility whatsoever.
Obviously you don't have much contact with NDNs, except for types like him. On the rez or in an urban NDN community, people whould immediately avoid him for his behavior, perhaps even shun him. Any followers of his would be pitied for being so out of touch as to somehow still believe in him.
And most Native spiritual traditions say that a lack of humility or abusive behavior to others would drive away the spirits and power behind them that would make someone a spiritual leader.
Obviously, since SR is made up in large part of survivors of the Cleargreen cult, you are far more familiar with the caricature of Native beliefs by the likes of Castaneda than with actual Native beliefs.
Since many of you are cult survivors, you have my sympathy, and I also know from speaking with many in Cult Studies that many survivors repeat their mistakes, fall for other cult leaders or emulate the patterns of behavior they learned in cults, often without realizing it.
Blackbeardd claims that Castaneda followers don't take out their anger on being abused and lied to on Natives, yet that is clearly exactly what s/he is doing.
And s/he is repeating almost word for word much of the racism that is throughout Castaneda's works and public statements, that NDNs "live in the past" and that whites are superior, racially and mentally "more advanced" than Natives.
It's also interesting that Blackbeardd calls him/herself "us Native American".
Yet his/her IPS shows s/he's posting from the Netherlands. S/he also uses an email with the address CastanedaContinues@gmail.com. While others on SR might be survivors from Cleargreen trying to recover from
cult experience, s/he likely remains a True Believer of the most notorious Nuage exploiter of all.
Both Rasas and N also keep repeating the lie that the "genuine" Natives are somehow being falsely accused.
Both of you continue to refuse to do something as simple as use the Search button for this site (or even use google), where you'd see that virtually all NDNs see "genuine" types like Andrews, Samms, Carson, WBE, and Archie Lame Deer as pretty obvious and notorious frauds.
It's also pretty revealing that N feels the need to resort to racism against mixedbloods. My being mixedblood didn't matter to him before though, when he hoped to use my academic credentials to get legitimacy for his group.
If he consents, I'll gladly post the half a dozen emails where he repeatedly begged me to be a consultant for his group.
You or others at SR may continue to believe in N if you wish. Some of the more racist among seem to like that he fulfills your stereotypes of what you expect NDNs to be.
But don't claim you haven't been warned. He's no spiritual leader. He's actually a cook living in a small town in Texas. His father was an actor, not a spiritual leader among his people. Among most Plains tribes, medicine traditions are passed down in the family.
If you want to believe he could be the sooper-secret leader of that sooper-secret tradition that's been sooper-secret for over 500 years, well, stranger things have been believed. You all believed Castaneda, didn't you?
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educatedindian said:
Blackbeardd claims that Castaneda followers don't take out their anger on being abused and lied to on Natives, yet that is clearly exactly what s/he is doing.
And s/he is repeating almost word for word much of the racism that is throughout Castaneda's works and public statements, that NDNs "live in the past".
I say that to other people too, now and then ("live in the past"). It has nothing to do with being racist.
Consider this my last post.
Goodbye.
[Insults removed. I doubt anyone will miss a racist troll and Castaneda wannabe.]