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TheRebel

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Senate Bill 3123
« on: March 03, 2008, 05:55:07 am »
I had this sent to me , it appears to be from CNO website....
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A Member of the Cherokee Nation's Task Force
Dealing with Bogus Indian Group calls the Bill "A Mess."

ByTravis Snell
Assistant Editor

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The Tennessee Senate is considering legislation that
could grant state recognition to groups claiming Native American heritage, a
move that concerns Cherokee Nation officials.

Sen. Tim Burchett, R-Knoxville, is a sponsor of Senate Bill 3123, an
amendment to Title 4, Chapter 34 of the Tennessee Code, which would
recognize state groups claiming Indian ancestry as Native American tribes,
bands, groups and associations.

Many Tennessee groups seeking recognition claim Cherokee ties, something
that disturbs CN officials.

Dr. Richard Alien, a CN policy analyst and member of a task force
confronting bogus Indian groups, said many groups seeking recognition scam
people using the Cherokee name by charging for genealogy, DNA tests and
membership.

He said state recognition helps these groups legitimize themselves as
Indians to the public and public institutions. Some scams have included
charging public schools a fee to enroll their "Indian" children and allowing
schools to receive federal monies for each "Indian" student.

Alien said the task force also tries to keep bogus groups from distorting
true Cherokee history and culture, but its main goal is protecting CN
sovereignty and rights.

If passed into law, the bill would extend "state recognition with full legal
rights and protections to certain Indian-descended entities."

Alien said he expects the CN to oppose legislation from any state suggesting
new Cherokee nations, tribes, bands or clans that have hidden or survived in
the southeastern states since Cherokees were forcibly removed 170 years ago.

"The legislation is poorly drafted and is not specific in areas that should
have more stringent criteria," he said.

One such criteria, he said, deals with groups functioning as Indians in
specific ways over time. Alien said the bill doesn't address what those
specific ways are and what amount of time it has to act that way to gain
state recognition.

According to the bill, to be recognized as a Tennessee Indian tribe, band or
group, the group seeking recognition must be a people related by blood
through common Native American ancestry and who can trace their heritage to
a Native American Indian tribe, band or group indigenous to Tennessee.
Groups asking for recognition would need to submit a petition with a
membership roll, proof of lineage from a historical Tennessee tribe or other
documents that show heritage.

The petition would then go to the Confederation of Tennessee Native Tribes,
which would review and present for the groups.

That confederation is comprised of groups from across the state claiming
Indian ancestry that have joined together to represent "Native Americans" in
Tennessee.

It includes the Remnant Yuchi Nation, the Upper Cumberland Cherokee, the
Chikamaka-Cherokee Band of the South Cumberland Plateau, the Central Band of
Cherokee, the Cherokee Wolf Clan, the Tanasi Council of the Faraway
Cherokee, the Native Cultural Council and the American Indian Association of
Millington.

"The first criteria a petitioner must meet for federal recognition is that
they have been recognized as a tribe since at least 1900," he said. "None of
the groups in Tennessee seeking to be recognized by that state have existed
as tribes since 1900."

The bill can not grant any state group federal recognition, which is needed
for a tribe to be entitled to sovereignty, gaming rights, a trust land base
and other rights guaranteed to federally recognized tribes.

According to the bill, the state has a legal right to recognize state groups
as tribes.

"Congress has acknowledged that state governments have the authority to
recognize Indian tribes," the state's attorney general wrote in February
2007. "States have the authority to recognize Indian tribes as long as there
is no conflict with federal laws. There.is no conflict between Tennessee's
recognition law and federal laws."

Reasoning behind the bill includes economic benefit to communities where the
groups reside because of the ability of Indians to impact tourism, jobs,
economic development incentives, health care opportunities, education
opportunities and to remove barriers for "Indian" artists to expand their
trade in compliance with federal law.

The federal Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990 prohibits misrepresentation
in marketing of Indian arts and crafts products within the U.S., making it
illegal to sell any art or craft product in a manner that falsely suggests
it is Indian produced. Under the IACA, an Indian is defined as a member of
any federally or state recognized Indian tribe or an individual certified as
an Indian artisan by an Indian tribe.

Allen said the legislation "is a mess" and suspects that others in the
Tennessee legislature would find it poorly written. He added that in the
past four years, Tennessee has introduced nine bills dealing with Indians
issues without having one federally recognized tribe in its boundary.

"Too bad they did not feel the need to recognize our rights and protections
170 years ago," he said.

Burchett and Doug Jackson, D-Dickson, are the bill's sponsors in the Senate.
The House is also considering the amendment sponsored by Nathan Vaughn,
D-Cleveland; George Fraley, D-Winchester; and Dale Ford, R-Jonesborough.

To read the bill online, visit www.legislature.state.tn.us and search for
SB3123.
To contact the sponsoring legislators, call Burchett at (615) 741-1766,
Jackson at (615) 741-4499,
Vaughn at (615) 741-6867, Fraley at (615) 741-8695 and Ford at (615)
741-1717.
travis-snell@cherokee.org . (918) 453-5358



"Too bad they did not feel the need
to recognize our rights and protections
170 years ago."

Dr. Richard Alien,
Cherokee Nation Policy Analyst

Offline wolfhawaii

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Re: Senate Bill 3123
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 06:05:03 am »
Richard Alien???!!!! too funny...

Offline Kevin

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Re: Senate Bill 3123
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 12:22:25 pm »
If passed, it will bring wannabes into TN in droves to compete with real Indians in the arts and crafts market especially in the Smoky Mountains area. There would be a lesser market of selling spirituality too. One can only imagine the grotesque and absurd rituals and ceremony the idiots would concoct and charge stupid tourists for all kinds of nonsense.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 11:41:21 pm »
Good point, Kevin. But let's not forget that the Cherokee of Qualla Boundary (NC) have been selling their own image for a hundred years - I have friends there who look forward to 'chiefing' during tourist season. (I think of it as terrorist season myself) but these otherwise intelligent, enrolled Cherokee dress up in a take-off of a plains Indian headdress and for above minimum wage, they stand outside to draw traffic in to the stores that hire them. Then they pose for pictures with the kiddies, all wearing neon feathered paper headbands from China...so what are you going to do....and what can you say. I have other friends there who just turn and look the other way. There attitude, "Life's too short to squabble, let's go fish for trout." Hm....actually, that sounds pretty good! 

Gone fishin' ;D


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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008, 03:24:42 am »
Vaughn Indian legislation fails to advance out of committee

Published 04/15/2008
By Hank Hayes

Legislation sponsored by state Rep. Nathan Vaughn to give state recognition to certain Indian tribes failed to advance in the Tennessee Senate State and Local Government Committee on Tuesday.

Vaughn, D-Kingsport, had amended the bill to state that the tribes could not get into the gambling business or sell alcohol, but the legislation didn’t have enough support to move it toward a Senate floor vote.

Two senators on the committee voted for the bill, two cast no votes, and three were listed as present but not voting.

Vaughn introduced the bill as part of an initiative aimed at establishing a new attraction on Kingsport’s Bays Mountain.

City officials have been considering entering into an arrangement with a Yuchi Indian group to create an authentic Indian village at Bays Mountain.

“Those Indians would not be able to sell their arts and crafts ... because the federal government passed a law that said if Indian groups have not been state or federally recognized, they are not allowed to sell Indian arts and crafts as Indian arts and crafts,??? Vaughn told the committee.

Vaughn’s bill stalled in the House after state Rep. Ben West Jr., D-Hermitage, raised concerns over whether the legislation would enable Indian groups to bypass state law and start gambling operations. The House version of the legislation was scheduled to be considered by the House Local Government Subcommittee today.

A state attorney general’s opinion found two things would have to happen to give Indian tribes the possibility of conducting gambling activities in Tennessee.

The opinion said that if one of the Indian tribes receiving state recognition under Vaughn’s bill subsequently gained federal recognition, and if land in Tennessee were acquired by the federal government for that tribe, then the tribe “may be able??? to conduct gambling activities on the land under federal law.

As introduced, the bill would have appointed the Confederation of Tennessee Native Tribes as the group to review recognition situations. The bill would also recognize the Yuchis and five other Cherokee groups.

A February 2007 Tennessee attorney general’s opinion said the state does have the authority to recognize Indian tribes. The federal recognition process is handled by the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). State recognition is not a factor considered by the BIA in deciding whether an Indian tribe will receive federal recognition, according to the attorney general’s office.

The Tennessee Commission on Indian Affairs has considered but has not enacted Indian recognition rules.

Two years ago, the commission initiated rulemaking for the state’s Indian recognition criteria and procedures but repealed the move.

Vaughn’s bill was sponsored in the Senate by state Sen. Tim Burchett, R-Knoxville.

For more information go to www.legislature.state.tn.us and click on “Legislation.??? The bill’s number is HB 3299.

http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9005967


Offline bls926

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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 03:29:57 am »
If passed, it will bring wannabes into TN in droves to compete with real Indians in the arts and crafts market especially in the Smoky Mountains area. There would be a lesser market of selling spirituality too. One can only imagine the grotesque and absurd rituals and ceremony the idiots would concoct and charge stupid tourists for all kinds of nonsense.

Since there are no federally or state recognized tribes in Tennessee, no one legally permitted to advertise their art as American Indian, what "real Indians" are you talking about?

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 04:14:10 am »
Much of the thing about the Remnant Yuchi Nation trying to get recognation was to get financial support for a "living Indian village", which they were counting on being a major tourist attraction In Kingsport. One of the problems with the group it is litte more than a "culture club". The man that founded it Lee Vest adknowledges he is not Yuchi, never said he was. That came out last year. There are many Federally enrolled people in the State. A entire community of Choctaw from the Philadelphia Band. And many others. Just no State Recognized Tribes.

Offline bls926

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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 05:41:53 am »
There are no federally recognized Indian tribes in Tennessee today.
Most were forced to leave Tennessee in the 1800's during the Removal. There may be descendants, whose families were able to escape removal, but they are not enrolled. There may be some enrolled members of various Nations who live in Tennessee. But there are no federally recognized tribes as such in Tennessee.


frederica

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 01:48:17 pm »
Never has been, that's a given. It's the ones applying for State Recognation everyone is worried about.

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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 03:30:08 pm »
Federal law allows members of state recognized tribes to say their crafts are Native-made. It's one of the main reasons they push for state recog.

Offline bls926

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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 05:55:37 pm »
Never has been, that's a given. It's the ones applying for State Recognation everyone is worried about.

Guess I misunderstood what you were saying last night. Thought you were saying that there were federally recognized tribes in Tennessee.

Quote from: frederica 4/17/08 at 11:14:10 pm
There are many Federally enrolled people in the State. A entire community of Choctaw from the Philadelphia Band. And many others. Just no State Recognized Tribes.

Re: Senate Bill 3123
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 04:10:36 pm »
I found this history at http://redandnarrowroad.ning.com/group/cherokeehistoryandsociety/forum/topics/1980181:Topic:19427

The Origins of the Chikamakas
Before 1835, the Henderson Treaty, which was an illegal by Cherokee and white laws,
"purchased" an extensive amount of Cherokee land. This was the [mal straw for the
Cherokee traditionalists. Dragging Canoe was a traditionalist warrior whose father was
one of the principle signers of this treaty. Dragging Canoe challenged the treaty and
found allies among other Indians from the North. He pulled together a confederacy to
push back the whites to the east of the Appalachians and out of Cherokee land
The confederacyc, omprisedm ainly of CherokeeC, reek,S hawneeC, atawba,S aponi,
Mohawk, Delaware,C hoctaw,C hickasawa nd also including Scottish,I rish and German
allies was formed by the Chief, Dragging Canoe, also known as Tsiyugunsini.
They settled in the Overhill area of Tennessee. These became the Chikamaka Cherokees.
Cherokee accomodationists inceD$ed Dragging Canoe by their actions and he called them
Virginians and Rogues, renouncing them as Cherokee. All those who fought by his side
for the protection of Cherokee lands he dubbed the "real people" or Cherokee.
The Pan-American movement failed when an expedition led by Major James Ore in
September of 1794 "destroyed most of the Chikamaka towns and inhabitants" in the
villages ofNickajack and Running Water in Marion County. Survivors fled some to the
hills of the South Cumberland Plateau, to make their home in the familiar towns of Green
Town, Hobbs Hill and Tracy City, Tennessee and others to Oklahoma. According to the
Chikamaka, Chief Shook, who was chief of a town in what is now Tracy City, moved to
Oklahoma bringing his family and leaving behind "those who wished" to stay. Several
camps were established including one in Pelham near the Chuwalee River, also known as
the Elk River, originally named for ChiefChuwalee, who eventually settled near
Beersheba-Springs.
Those of the Chikamakas who stayed in the homeland and inhabited what is now known
as the South Cumberland Plateau assimilated into the mainstream of society all the while
teaching their children about who they really were. Over the years, they have
intermarried with other races as well as amongst themselves. The Chikamakas forgot
some of the culture and practices ceased. The Treaty of New Echota in 1835 demanded
that Cherokees give up their lands in Tennessee. During the Forced Removal also known
as the Trail of Tears, the Chikamaka remained hidden in their mountain stronghold
untouched by U.S. forces. Because the militant Chikamakas fought the whites for over
twenty years, the U.S. government denied allotments and basic rights to their
descendents. However, the U.S. government granted amnesties to those who descended
from "Peaceful Indians." There they remained hidden in the Cumberland Hills. With the
Cherokees removed from West Virginia, Georgia and supposedly Tennessee, the west
was open to white settlement.
Chikamakas Today
Jeremy Meeks, a Grundy County Chikamaka Cherokee, in a phone interview on
December 4,2003, said that the standard reply to any outsider looking for Indians even as
late as the 1980s was, "There are no Indians around here." According to Mr. Meeks, the
fear of relocation is very strong even after nearly 200 years. The Trail of Tears is still
very much in the memories of the Chikamaka.
Remaining hidden in a small isolated community helped the Chikamakas retain their
lands, since according to the Federal Government and historians they were all dead. Later
government programs like Urban Relocation did not affect them at all as they were not a
federally recognized tribe, nor were state or regional officials able to enforce these
rulings on Indians they did not know about. However, other national events, like the
American Indian Movement, Alcatraz, Wounded Knee II, Trail of Treaties, etc., which
affected many Native Americans, had very little impact on the Chikamaka's life, practices
or visibility during the 60's
Their success in remaining hidden came at the cost of never mentioning outside of family
(clan) who they were, never sharing in national Native American concerns and never
reaping the few benefits of being Native American. Because of the closeness of the
community, and by following the marriage laws of marrying into the clan of the maternal
grandfather the clan system was preserved. The Chikamaka's were able to preserve within
the clans much of who they were by oral tradition. In a letter to the Editor of the Grundy
County Herald, Stella Dodson, Monteagle, Tennessee wrote,
"!t has been said by some of our new residents that the Grundy County people do
not know their history, but we have some of the best known secrets and home
remedies of our people and how they lived without a doctor nearby. We are rich
in history, but we should preserve our natural resources we have and our old
pictures are worth a thousand words. "
Occasionally, for whatever reason, parents did not tell children who they were and they
did not pass down the traditions. Since no one else mentioned it in public, there may have
been no reason to think about it. Tribal membership dropped by people drifting away not
understanding who they were.
In fact, the reemergence of the Chikamakas into public awareness occurred under just
such a circumstance. Jeremy Meeks' father, James or Sogwiriagna, married a woman who
was unaware of her Chikamaka heritage. He would teach his son some of the traditions,
or would carry out some of the rituals like placing cedar around the doorways or under
the beds. However, Sogwiriagna never explained why he was doing so and downplayed
his Cherokee heritage out of deference to his wife. It wasn't until Mr. Meeks'mother
discovered she was also Chikamaka and part of the 7 clans, through a genealogical search
in the 1990s, that history literally changed in Tennessee.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 08:56:22 pm »
The same thing happened in pa. and Vermont, bogus native bills
i believe it is time for a  native united nations board that can represent the native issues to the world not just to America and Canada
have a member from each nation be the only spokes person for that nation
when a consensus has been addressed then it is taken to the world united nations, now it is representing millions of people
the native nations need more than one representative in the world united nations
it can not be the chief or the clan mother for they need to stay at the nation
for the people and the safety and protection suppled by that nation
but this person needs to know the language, customs , and needs of their nation and to be elected to this position
i believe that all native peoples world wide need representation 
this way native issues can be brought forward past the controlling government sensors
each government has suppressed their native populations, but those governments are the only voices heard in the world  united nations
it is now these governments that are trying to delude the true native nations by supporting these clubs
it is all about the all mighty dollar, the governments charge for these clubs to be set up for recognition
and then collect from them each year
but they are not a nation by any means
are they older than the governing government, if not then they are sponsored by that government
my family history predates this country and Canada, in fact it predates England's royal house in term now
so why do we as native people do not have a say in what goes on world wide

you can not be heard if you do not speak, you can not be seen if you do not act

lets get something positive going here