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Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk
critter - a white non-ndn person:
Yes saw that. Hopefully he's put away for a long time. :)
Diana:
--- Quote from: critter on January 03, 2010, 04:39:33 pm ---Yes saw that. Hopefully he's put away for a long time. :)
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I think he may have been convicted. I looked at his my space page and the last time he was logged in was back in september. Also there hasn't been any activety since August, such as personel messages or comments.
I tried to do a little research on google for convictions+ David Granados and couldn't find anything. >:(
Lim lemtsh,
Diana
NDN_Outlaw:
Church attendance is falling everywhere except in the evangelical/ fundamentalist churches. I notice some RC churches are now burning sweet grass and turning to the four directions as part of their service. Priests and nuns are going on vision quests and some ministers like Rev Dancing Hawk are no doubt using their new found knowledge to booster attendance. I realize this line of discussion is like kicking over a bees nest but I really wander how sincere Dancing Hawk is. Is his ministry really a disingenuous attempt to latch onto the NDN cultural revival ?
Defend the Sacred:
--- Quote from: WINative on January 02, 2010, 09:50:19 pm ---Here's his Myspace page:
I am Eastern Band of Tsalagi(Cherokee), Ani Tsisqua (Bird Clan), and this is the greatest gift my heart has ever known from the Creator. I am proud to be a practitioner of Cherokee medicine, a State Clan Chief and Tribal Council Member for the United Cherokee Nation, and an ordained pastor serving a Native American congregation in Milwaukee, WI. I am the Director of Elawei Ama Spiritual Resources working as a ceremonial leader and consultant to those who are interested in traditional ways and teachings. Coming from the traditions of the Eastern Band of the Tsalagi (Cherokee) tribe in the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina, I facilitate ongoing Pipe Circleceremonies and Sweat Lodge ceremonies to create balance and harmony in the community and empower the healing of others in the spirit of indigenous peoples. I have dedicated my life to being of service for healing, teaching, and spiritual connection. As a practitioner of “Cherokee Medicine”, I have led ceremonies for the healing and health of mind, body, and spirit for individuals and groups. I have taught native traditions and conducted numerous workshops and presentations for churches, schools and groups throughout the Greater Milwaukee and Chicago areas. As a Hospice Chaplain and Spiritual Care Giver, I have walked with over 5,000 men, women, and children on the journey through their last days of life and provided spiritual care to thousands of family members. I've led and designed my own unique support groups for the bereaved and designed a specialized support group for Victims of Violent Crime used by the city of Chicago. My years of experience as a Pastor, End of Life Spiritual Care Giver, Educator, Counselor, Cherokee Ceremonial Leader, Spiritual Consultant, and Native American Storyteller are brought together as I share with others my unique approach to living, loving, and letting go in the Circle of Life. Walk in Beauty and embrace the peace of Mother Earth and all our relations! Aho
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An excerpt from a letter from Richard L. Allen. EdD, Research & Policy Analyst, Cherokee Nation, Tahlequah, Oklahoma. Reprinted with permission:
Cherokee medicine people and spiritual leaders are known to the Cherokee people and do not practice medicine for a fee nor sell "shamanic" lessons to anyone. They do not advertise their services through any form of media and certainly not over the internet.
.........
Traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders provide their services to the Cherokee people. A Cherokee medicine person or spiritual leader is fluent in the Cherokee language and would conduct any medical or spiritual practices by using the Cherokee language. Therefore, our medicine people are those who were born of a Cherokee mother and a Cherokee father and would have been reared within a Cherokee community speaking the Cherokee language. Our traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders are humble people and would not present themselves as such nor "hang out a shingle" so to speak.
Cherokee medicine people are acknowledged and recognized by members of the Cherokee community as effective healers and leaders. It is the recognition of the Cherokee people that validates these persons as medicine people and healers not self-proclaimation. We may provide them small gifts, a token amount of money or foodstuffs in payment for their services. They do not charge for their services nor would they withhold their services when asked and they certainly would not prescibe payment by credit card.
Cherokee medicine people may provide services to recognized members of other tribes or may provide services to non-Indians who would seek them out for treatment, but certainly would not mix their spirituality or medicine with that of other nations.
Cherokee medicine and spiritual practices do not include tarot cards, palmistry, psychic readings or sweatlodge ceremonies.
One may assume that anyone claiming to be a Cherokee "shaman, spiritual healer, or pipe-carrier," is equivalent to a modern day medicine show and snake-oil vendor.
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Full letter posted in this thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1640.msg10899#msg10899
WINative:
It seems that he falls under all the categories of the what-not to-do to be legitimate. I don't think any Native poeple I have met here believe he's anything but a pastor of that church, but I'm sure he's selling the Chief and Medicine Man title to the non-Indians.
So it's established he's not a enrolled Indian, and has no authority from his adopted nation or any recognized elders or groups in Milwaukee or Wisconsin to do these things. he seems to be doing it on his own or with other frauds. So seems like he falls under all the categories of a fraud.
I saw this advertisement online in a local magazine:
Monthly/Weekly Events
First Tuesdays - Traditional Native American Pipe Circle Prayer Ceremony held the 1st
Tuesday of each month at 6:00 p .m . Join us for traditional drumming, songs, teachings,
and prayer ceremony . For more information and location, contact Rev. Tim (Dancing Red Hawk), Elawei Ama (Quiet Waters) Spiritual Resources (414) 791-6924 .
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