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Offline dabosijigwokush

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First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« on: May 07, 2010, 08:05:03 pm »
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/

First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers

http://www.facebook.com/hawkgoodfire

http://www.pavendors.com/events/fayette-county/farmington-june-pow-wow-and-concert.htm

are they native or not and what do the east coast have to do with the buffalo

apukjij

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 11:40:54 pm »
This is Michael Spisak, we have a thread on him already.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2392.0

Offline Ramona1

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2010, 02:56:53 pm »
seems like no one can get a answer out of these/this person
on another forum Woodland Indians http://woodlandindians.org/forums/index.php
someone also asked about this First Nations Inc. and while Michael Spisak answered another question about the white and black/brown buffalos calf he did not however answer the question about First nations Inc. weird yes? Or maybe he does not think he needs to answer to the public
here is the link
starting with post #489
http://woodlandindians.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3019&p=20

Offline dabosijigwokush

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 06:58:41 pm »
and they really check out there friends before going public

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06358/748759-85.stm

Kim Ord, or Many Weasels used a lenape language book to find the name lol

Chief White Panther, of the Traditional United Eastern Lenape Nation, WHO!



Offline hawkgoodfire

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 09:26:26 pm »
and they really check out there friends before going public

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06358/748759-85.stm

Kim Ord, or Many Weasels used a lenape language book to find the name lol

Chief White Panther, of the Traditional United Eastern Lenape Nation, WHO!





These are an independent group of folks with no affiliation or association to Buffalo Messengers or First Nations Inc. We do not know them nor have anything to do with them. We would appreciate if you would stop associating us with them, or anyone else who behaves like them. We do not endorse them, or condone their behavior. They are not "our friends", nor are they or have they ever been involved with anything we do.

Offline dabosijigwokush

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 12:02:55 am »
changes in the wind

http://www.heraldstandard.com/news_detail/article/1631/2010/april/30/commissioners-approve-special-tax-sale.html

you think you own your home and property
looks like we only lease it from the feds, and they can and will take it back any time and any way they want to
wonder where the white buffalo will go now!

Offline Ramona1

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2010, 11:47:06 pm »
Pennsylvania Department of State  

Cease and Desist Orders
The following is a listing of outstanding cease and desist orders issued against charitable organizations, solicitors and fundraising counsels since 1996. These organizations cannot legally solicit contributions in Pennsylvania until they register with the bureau or provide the bureau with evidence that they are excluded or exempt from the law.

Organization                                                          Order Dated
Buffalo Messengers, Farmington, PA 15437                                                10/27/2009  

http://www.dos.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/charities/12444/cease_and_desist_orders/571846
« Last Edit: May 16, 2010, 11:49:26 pm by Ramona1 »

Offline Ramona1

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 02:39:04 am »
What happen to the money that was raised by Buffalo Messengers to purchased the two buffalos???
Since Buffalo Messengers did not buy then , are they not suppose to give the people their money back?
People donated money towards the purchase of buying the buffalo.  Nothing else. POINT BLANK!
It's a shame that good people donated  $2,000 ++++++  of  their hard earned money and it  went somewhere else instead of what they gave their money for.
So where is the money??? Hawk or Buffalo Messengers   cannot use the money they raised for anything other than to purchased the buffalo? If they did than that is fraud!!!!
If anyone is reading this who donated money to Hawk and Buffalo Messengers TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF THE BUFFALOS you may want to get in contact with Division of Investigations and Division of Audits

 
http://www.dos.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/charities/12444/investigations_file_a_complaint/571857
Within the Bureau of Charitable Organizations is the Division of Investigations and Division of Audits. These divisions were created under the powers granted to the Secretary, who has the authority to investigate violations of the Solicitation of Funds for Charitable Purposes Act, 10 P.S. § 162.1 et seq. 
 
Citizens who have complaints concerning solicitations by charitable organizations, solicitors or fundraising counsels are urged to contact the Division of Investigations/Audits: 
 
   
   
By Phone
1-800-732-0999 (within PA)
717-787-0700 (outside PA)

  or   In Writing
 Division of Investigations/Audits
 212 North Office Building
 Harrisburg, PA  17120   

 
The Bureau is prohibited from releasing any information regarding any complaints it may have received or any investigations it may be conducting, except as provided by law.

Offline Ramona1

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 05:06:48 pm »
Message of the Sacred Buffalo
by Marci Lynn McGuinness w/ First Nations, Inc.
illustrated by James Balkovek
Full color,  children's book (TBR JUNE)

http://www.ohiopyle.info/Home_Page.html

Offline Ramona1

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 12:15:25 am »
I wonder why they never annouced this guy coming

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NEW ELDERS STATEMENT
greetings Relatives,
Approximately one week ago we were honored to host Chief Golden Eagle of the Yankton Sioux. He visited with us for a few days, spent time with these two Sacred Animals, and has issued a formal statement for all our Relatives. I invite you to read his words:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=436362342&blogId=533588675

Chief Golden Eagle of the Yankton Sioux
http://www.star-knowledge.net/home.html

And right here on NAFPS Forum  in The Looniest Nuage Site Contest
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=350.0


Offline Ramona1

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2010, 10:19:48 pm »
Is everyone aware that this white buffalo's mother came from a herd that produce another white buffalo about six years before the birth of this one? Were the elders that gave statements made aware of this??
I meant it kinda loses it special spiritual meaning if this white buffalo comes from a herd that is known to produce other white buffalos.
The former owners "Sonny and Jill Herring even made the statement 

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The white buffalo is not an albino, and is the result of a rare recessive gene that both parents must possess.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06344/745017-85.stm

Not so rare if another white buffalo came from the same herd ( People really need to start questoning this)
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The mother and another pregnant female came from a Nebraska herd in which another white buffalo was born about six years ago, Sonny Herring said
 
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/fayette/s_481511.html#

Fayette County zoo gets surprise rare specimen
By Bob Stiles
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, November 27, 2006

As Sonny Herring approached the pasture at his Fayette County zoo, he wondered what the white object was nestled in the grass.

"I thought something else got in the exhibit," Herring said Friday.

It did, but not what Herring was expecting. In the grass was a newborn white buffalo.

"I thought, 'What the heck, we got a white buffalo.' I think the odds are something like one in 10 million," Herring said.

His wife, Jill Herring, said she also was astounded by the birth Nov. 12 at the Woodland Zoo near Farmington. She saw the male calf shortly after its birth.

"It's pretty neat," she said. "To have an all-white one is extremely rare. No one I know who raises buffaloes has had one. We're thrilled, of course."

White buffaloes hold a place of reverence among American Indians, especially the Cheyenne, Sioux and other nomadic tribes of the Northern Plains.

According to a version of a legend, a white buffalo, disguised as a woman wearing white hides, appeared to two men.

One man treated her with dignity; the other didn't. She turned the disrespectful man into a pile of bones and gave the respectful one a pipe and taught his people rituals and music. She transformed into a female white buffalo calf and promised to return again.

The birth of a white male buffalo means men need to take responsibility for their families and the future of the tribe, according to an Associated Press story about the birth of a white buffalo earlier this decade.

No one at the National Bison Association could be reached for comment.

The Web site Wikipedia lists at least five births of white buffaloes nationwide since 1995. One farm in Wisconsin welcomed its third white buffalo, born earlier this year.

Jill Herring, who has operated the 180-animal zoo with her husband for 11 years, said the calf spends most of its time with its mother.

"It is with mom, and that is where it will stay," she said.

In addition to the color, the birth is unusual because of when it happened, Sonny Herring said. Normally, buffalo are born in March or April, he explained.

The mother and another pregnant female came from a Nebraska herd in which another white buffalo was born about six years ago, Sonny Herring said.
People who visit the zoo and see the white calf usually have the same question, Sonny Herring related, "'What's that?'"

"They don't expect a buffalo to be white."

Sonny Herring said the buffalo could help the zoo attract more visitors.
"We hope so," he said.
 
At this point, the calf doesn't have a name.

"We're searching for an Indian-type name for it, and we haven't come up with the right one yet," Jill Herring said.

But she does know what's in the calf's future.

"He will stay, definitely, because of what he is. There won't be a chance of him leaving," Jill Herring said.

Her husband agreed.

"It will stay here for as long as it wants," he said.


Bob Stiles can be reached at bstiles@tribweb.com or 724-836-6622.

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Reproduction or reuse prohibited without written consent.
 



Offline bls926

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 12:56:12 pm »
The fact that one other white buffalo was born six years earlier, in the herd Kenahkihinén's mother came from, really doesn't make this one common-place. White buffalo are rare. That's a fact.

What bothers me more than this new information is Hawk's association with some very questionable people. Another bothersome point is his refusal to answer any questions now, after repeatedly telling us he would answer any questions people had.

Offline ComesWithFire

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2010, 10:26:01 pm »
The fact that one other white buffalo was born six years earlier, in the herd Kenahkihinén's mother came from, really doesn't make this one common-place. White buffalo are rare. That's a fact.

What bothers me more than this new information is Hawk's association with some very questionable people. Another bothersome point is his refusal to answer any questions now, after repeatedly telling us he would answer any questions people had.


It sure does have a very big impact of the birth of this white buffalo because it shows that this white buffalo has the family history of having the gene.......its not so special or unique  if it came from a herd that has already produced other white buffalo.
Micheal Spisak is indeed a questionable person himself  who has always had some very questionable people around him.
I thought that you two had good commuication with each other so I cannot understand why  he would not be answering your questions.

If you cannot run with the big dogs then stay under the porch with the puppies

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2010, 11:02:41 pm »
The fact that one other white buffalo was born at that farm does not have any impact on whether the white calf is special. There have been three white buffaloes born on the Heider farm in Wisconsin and they are all considered special.

Michael Spisak "has always had some very questionable people around him" . . . Weren't you involved with him at one time?

I haven't talked to Hawk in several months.

« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 11:04:49 pm by bls926 »

Offline ComesWithFire

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Re: First Nations Inc. - Buffalo Messengers
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2010, 11:32:33 pm »
The fact that one other white buffalo was born at that farm does not have any impact on whether the white calf is special. There have been three white buffaloes born on the Heider farm in Wisconsin and they are all considered special.

Michael Spisak "has always had some very questionable people around him" . . . Weren't you involved with him at one time?

I haven't talked to Hawk in several months.



Of course it has a very big impact on it. It shows that the buffalo's bloodline carries the gene.DUH More likely from a Mans doings than the Creators. Fact is that this buffalo is not the real thing( White Buffalo Calf Woman Legend)  The point that this buffalo mother comes from a herd that produces white buffalos makes it a fact that it's a recessive gene nothing more nothing less.........
And yes I was around him but after seeing things that I knew where not right I got away.
Seems like you have also been involved with him. You have defended him on more than a few times. Even tho you have never met him in person.
Now I am not going to agrue with you because that is your way.You thrive on it and I am not going to give you or Micheal Spisak that pleasure.
If you cannot run with the big dogs then stay under the porch with the puppies