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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: nighthawk on July 01, 2008, 07:12:14 pm
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yeh, exactly. sure i'll say i'm native, but i call myself mi'kmaq when people ask.
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Moved to Research Needed.
A number of left groups and would be revolutionaries have written about him. Here's his own statement.
http://www.madaraka.com/North-America/118.html
AAFNA's statement of his adoption and background.
http://www.aafna.ca/family_council.html
Youtube of Phil Fontaine's statement about him and others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0JR_L1uYw
There's also related videos there.
Mohawk Nation News has a pretty strong statement against him. I included it below.
And Brenda Norrell's blog has a statement from MNN arguing the communities themselves are made up of "No Gonquins," whites with possibly a little ancestry.
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2008/05/mohawk-nation-news-algonquins-land.html
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http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2008-February/070213.html
FORK -TONGUED "SNAKE OIL SALESMAN"
ROBERT LOVELACE NEGOTIATING AT
SHARBOT LAKE
MNN. Feb. 11, 2008. Does anyone know who "Robert Lovelace" is?
He is supposedly an Ardoch Algonquin of Sharbot Lake, Ontario?
He has been negotiating a uranium mine and a Haudenosaunee land claim. He's around 60 years of age, came to Canada in 1979 and claimed to be "Cherokee"! R. R., a "Tsalagi", says he never heard of him.
Robert Lovelace now claims to be an "Algonquin" because he was adopted by Harold Perry. Perry says he's Algonquin too and has made millions pretending to sell Haudenosaunee land, even though he can't legally sell what isn't his. None of the sales he conducted are valid.
Robert Lovelace claimed to be a member of the "American Indian Movement" AIM. Russell Means of the Lakota Nation, founder of AIM, says, "Who? No Robert Lovelace was ever a member of AIM!"
Lovelace also claims to be a U.S. draft dodger. Didn't they get amnesty decades ago? Come and get him! He's here. We don't want him. He can go home now, wherever that is.
Robert Lovelace, who could be non-native, is trying to negotiate away Haudenosaunee land south of the Ottawa River. Why are the corporations of CANADA and ONTARIO getting him to sign away our land? Lovelace will wear any hat than can fit his swollen head. The following affidavit was served on Robert Lovelace.
"Affidavit of the Kahti'hontia:kwenio regarding Robert Lovelace
We Kahentinetha, Katenies, Karakwine and Iakoha'ko:wa, being Onkwehonwe Kanion'ke:haka, make this Affidavit and Notice of Claim of our free will based on our knowledge and responsibilities as Kahti'hontia:kwenio according to the
Kaianereh'ko:wa, the constitution of the Haudenosaunee.
To the attention of ROBERT LOVELACE of 1294 James Wilson Road, R.R. #1, Hardington, ONTARIO K0H 1W0 613-532-2166, of Haudenosaunee Territory is committing the following illegal acts that violate Haudenosaunee laws. He has:
1. disrespected the Kaianeeh'ko:wa which is the law of Haudenosaunee Territory on which he resides;
2. falsely declared himself to be a member of the "Cherokee" Nation, while a Tsalagi member states that as far as he knows Mr. Lovelace is not Tsalagi;
3. declared he was a member of the American Indian Movement, while Russell Means of AIM reported that Robert Lovelace was never a member;
4. declared himself to be an "Algonquin", through a faulty adoption procedure, by Harold Perry, who may or may not be an Algonquin. On Haudenosaunee Territory
one must meet the qualifications set out in the Kaianereh'ko:wa and Guswentha, which they do not; and
5. entered Haudenosaunee Territory to participate in a national conspiracy to defraud the present and future generations of the Kanion'ke:haka; negotiated land, water and air rights in vicinity at 44 degrees 55 minutes 42 seconds north latitude and 76 degrees 55 minutes 36 seconds west longitude, including but not limited to land 100 square miles. Said land is Kanienke traditional and ancestral land to
Kanion'ke:haka.
His betrayal has been brought before our fire and we have found that he is:
6. falsely impersonating a Tsalagi, Algonquin, Mohawk and AIM member;
7. in violation of Haudenosaunee ways that prohibits alienation of any Territory;
8. in violation of the Kaianereh'ko:wa and Guswentha which prohibits him from being Haudenosaunee; and
9. betraying the Kanion'ke:haka by fraudulently negotiating a land claim settlement and other agreements for Haudenosaunee Territory and resources with the corporations of CANADA and ONTARIO when he has no capacity to represent us and no legitimate right to engage in negotiations concerning property to which he is not and has never been heir.
We demand that he stop participating in fraudulent negotiations and that he leave our country immediately.
TAKE NOTICE THAT the Kaianereh'ko:wa, our constitution, provides that the Kahtihon'tia:kwenio hold title to the land and that no man or woman accepting the laws of foreign nations or acting as agents for corporations may relinquish our title.
View background at www.mohawknationnews.com at
"Sharbot Lake"; Kahnawake Post Office Box 991, Kahnawake
Quebec [J0L 1B0]; kahentinetha2 at yahoo.com
katenies20 at yahoo.com"
Kahentinetha Horn
MNN Mohawk Nation News
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I can't see what the Cote family has to do with Robert Lovelace but I just did a quick look and I didn't see anything that suggests Jean Cote may have been Mi'kmaq. The website below discusses what is known about the family in detail , and the researchers who put this together aren't in denial about other Native lines. If there was any reason to believe Jean Cote was Mi'kmaq I would guess they would have mentioned this.
http://www.tomthievin.ca/cote.html (http://www.tomthievin.ca/cote.html)
This article is a survey of our Côté genealogy. There are as a conservative estimate about 50,000 — perhaps even as many as 100,000 — Côtés or persons in North America linked to the bloodline, and most, if not all of them have Jean Côté, who arrived in North America in 1634, as their original ancestor.
With 50,000 0 100,000 descendents that may not be a good rumor to be passing around unless there is actually some strong evidence ...
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A side issue, Lovelace's claim of being a draft dodger. If he claims he first came to Canada in 1979 to dodge the draft, Carter had already signed an amnesty as his first act as president, Jan 1977.
Also, I don't know enough about the region, but why would Canada's govt be negotiating with a man IDd as Algonquin if the land is Mohawk?
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educatedindian, the posts here:
http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=168
will elucidate on the "why": i.e., uranium mining. how? monkeying with genealogical records.
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educatedindian, the posts here:
http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=168
will elucidate on the "why": i.e., uranium mining. how? monkeying with genealogical records.
I don't doubt that Canada's govt can be as devious and less than ethical in its dealings as the US govt.
It just seems that if they choose to negotiate with someone who can be fairly easily debunked as both probably non-NDN, and not of a band that's even recognized,
that it's almost guaranteed anything signed coming out of the negotiations would not stand up in court.
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exactly. the bind is obvious though, as you end up playing their game, potentially. in order to have it play out properly, you have to go to their court, which would potentially be biased; however, international court, or some third party court, is another story. that other court would be the only way to preserve the impartiality, IMO. hmm, though technically, i suppose since it's their laws, their court could be applicable... but there's again the issue of impartiality, since they did it, and it's their court... you see where i'm going with this, i imagine.
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they're trying to steal every last little bit of what we do have left, to the point of trying to become us. it's like using our skins as belts and boots all over again, but metaphorically. it's awful, disgusting, and totally dishonest.
i must also add that harper is tied in with big oil, which is his main concern. he worked at imperial oil before becoming the head of the conservative party, then pm; he's also hired tom flanagan, who is infamous about his views on indigenous rights, indigenous land title, etc. (advocates making indigenous people assimilate totally into the corporation of canada), and other people that were involved with the same premier of ontario who said "get those f**king indians out of the park", which resulted in dudley george getting murdered. sufficed to say, these people are not nice people.
brazeau strikes me as either "doesn't know what he's doing", and being used by these people, or "knows exactly, and thinks he'll profit from the association", or just doesn't care. during the residential school apology, he called himself "algonquin canadian", which is just totally ignorant of his history and culture, to say such a thing.
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it's also very much a top-down thing, typical of colonialist attitudes and policies, a foreign gov't deciding who are members of the nation.
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http://wiki.kisikew.org/wiki/Tom_Flanagan_Top_Advisor_to_Tory_PM-Elect
Something I wrote a long time ago, about Flanagan; he's bad news, this guy. The article was written 2 years ago, but I had to import it into my new wiki, that's why the edit date for the wiki article is so new.
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yeh, or some such weirdness
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Tansi;
The CAP has been making very serious attempts at finding ways to represent non-status Indians, who do not qualify for either C-31 Status or as Metis. In the most recent federal election, the CAP actually publicly threw their support behind the Conservative Party, led by Stephen Harper.
I do not personally know of the leadership or goals of the CAP (Congress of Aboriginal Peoples), but am concerned about any attempts to destroy what has been accomplished by recognized Aboriginal people, after several generations of struggle. As one of the first things that the present Conservative govt. did, upon being elected, was to scrap the Kelowna Accord, I am certain that the "New" government is not working toward the implentation of policies which will work toward resolving the injustices of the past, or the inequity that exists.
With the recent apology about the Residential schools, all parties were in unanimous support of the apology. We will have to wait to see what the future brings, as a result of the apology.
It will be interesting to watch the developments!
Ric
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It should be noted that not only did the Wendat not get totally destroyed, but TMK (to my understanding) they made an agreement with Kanienkeha:ka (Mohawk Nation) that they would be the caretakers of the land they were leaving, as a condition of their leaving. The Mohawks had defeated the Wendat in a large battle; they were forced to leave, mostly by the settler governments, again, TMK. So that's why now, today, and since then, is it considered Mohawk land, because it is. On the reclamationinfo.com forum, I asked one of the members to clarify what territory that is, and he did a good job of doing that. Just search for "one bowl two spoons" over there, and you'll see that.
Not only are we not extinct - I have some distant Wendat ancestry, like a few hundred years, heh - but we're still around; some of my Wendat friends would also be very angry at that statement nighthawk posted for us.
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I read the MNN article written by Kahn-Tineta Horn of February 2008. What no one here has yet to uncover in their prosecution of Robert Lovelace is that Kahn-Tineta retracted her statement in a 2009 press release. I know this because in a previous occupation I was responsible for archiving all incoming news, political, environmental and legal documents incoming to my First Nation's Band Office. I read her retraction. I think just because someone jumps up and down with wild accusations doesn't make them true. I have met Kahn-Tineta Horn in the early 1990s when she closed the organization she founded the 'Canadian Alliance in Solidarity with Native People' C.A.S.N.P. in Toronto. In her accusation she accused Nishnawbeg People of stealing or misappropriating claims to Hodenosaunee territory. While I applaud her gusto (and her grassroots politics of the 80s and 90s), she jumped the shark with her total ignorance of non-Onkwehonwe Bands, Nishnawbeg and Lenape history. Again, I applaud her being on the front-lines and speaking her mind on political issues, but she needs a history lesson or ten before she goes off on Nishnawbe Bands and their struggles with Canada. Canadian politicians have the luxury of acknowledging only the leaders who will bend to their greed. Bob Lovelace is someone who wont and like the Kitchikunekusib Inniniwuk and the Lubicon Cree, Canada will arrest anyone who gets in their way.
Let's try to be careful who we accuse of what.
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Patrick Brazeau is white man in a native man's body, that's about how native he really is. He knows nothing about his people, side steps issues whenever you call him out on them (and believe me I have on many occasion) and he's got real issue with strong native women that speak out against him (he banned me from his group lol, along with several other women). He talks about reserves being disbanded (he would love for that to happen) and reserve life, when he's never even lived on a reserve. He wanted to keep his CAP pay, plus his senator pay, because that's how greedy he is and then he took off with a whole bunch of stuff from CAP - big screen TV and other stuff - claiming they were gifts for him. And left CAP in a big huge mess, I still don't even think they're functioning as an organization due to it. The guy was named as party boy of the year by McLeans Magazine, was accused of sexual harassment by several ladies that worked at CAP, one went for a lawsuit (not sure what happened with it though) .. and I was told by a few people that there was a lot of drinking and partying going on at the CAP office, during office hours. And bears no shame in the fact that he pays his EX wife under $500/month (I think it's under $200 but don't quote me on that) in child support for their son "because that's what the Quebec govt says he has to pay" ... and never paid her for years. BUT meanwhile demands accountability regarding spending money on Aboriginal agency's ... they need to be accountable, but he doesn't. Yeah we don't really consider him to be native at all, not someone we're proud of.
they're trying to steal every last little bit of what we do have left, to the point of trying to become us. it's like using our skins as belts and boots all over again, but metaphorically. it's awful, disgusting, and totally dishonest.
i must also add that harper is tied in with big oil, which is his main concern. he worked at imperial oil before becoming the head of the conservative party, then pm; he's also hired tom flanagan, who is infamous about his views on indigenous rights, indigenous land title, etc. (advocates making indigenous people assimilate totally into the corporation of canada), and other people that were involved with the same premier of ontario who said "get those f**king indians out of the park", which resulted in dudley george getting murdered. sufficed to say, these people are not nice people.
brazeau strikes me as either "doesn't know what he's doing", and being used by these people, or "knows exactly, and thinks he'll profit from the association", or just doesn't care. during the residential school apology, he called himself "algonquin canadian", which is just totally ignorant of his history and culture, to say such a thing.