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General => Frauds => Topic started by: DavidHDD on May 22, 2005, 06:07:20 am

Title: Leo Rutherford
Post by: DavidHDD on May 22, 2005, 06:07:20 am
Anyone know if this guy is real or not?
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on May 22, 2005, 08:17:13 am
Hello David

If you mean ' is he an actually-existing person' then yes, he's real.

If you mean 'does this person teach a modern version of a timeless pre-industrial spirituality called shamanism', then no he's not, because there's no such thing.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: educatedindian on May 22, 2005, 02:03:58 pm
There was a post at another group that described him pretty well, below.
Hope you didn't pay him for any "ceremonies". Is someone you know a follower?

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I think this individual deserves special mention -
It is my pleasure to nominate

Sacred Bear (Mato Wakan) aka Leo Rutherford!
King of the British Shame-men

He runs the Eagle's Wing Centre for Contemporary Shamanism

He got a MA in 'Holistic Psychology' at Antioch University in San Francisco CA.
Before that he was managing director of a manufacturing company that made cans and drums, so you can see how well qualified he is to
teach Euros how to be spitchul.

He even refers to his own theories as bullsh*t.

He's the author two books of complete horsesh*t

Your Shamanic Path Ancient Wisdom for the 21st Century and The Way of Shamanism

In his books he describes a five step process to becoming a 'shaman'
1. "Erasing personal history"
2. "Facing your death and making death your ally" (this is some scary stuff and reminiscent of the Nazi occult)
3. "Stopping the world"
4. "Controlling the dream and finding new vision and purpose"
5. Being an "Impeccable warrior of the Spirit"

He claims that Shamanism is a blanket term for all indigenous spirituality.

Surprise surprise! He is a strong proponent of the use hallucinogens to enter an altered state of consciousness. He gives his followers "Ayahuasca", made from the ayahuasca vine (Banisteriopsis
Caapi) and the leaf of the Chacruna plant (Psychotria Viridis). Remember, Ayahuasca overdoses killed several people in Southern
Ontario a couple of years back.

Leo claims that "Most Amazonian shamanic traditions teach that the ayahuasca spirits will transmit their power and knowledge only to
those willing to undergo a long and stringent initiation process involving a strict diet and sexual abstinence."

He claims to have studied with Black Elk and an Inca Shaman. I assume he means the well know fraud Wallace Black Elk. He also studies with fraud Harley Swift Deer Reagan.

He's retired now and running the Eagle's Wing Centre for Contemporary Shamanism in the UK with Don Eduardo Calderon who is well known to the National Council of Health Fraud in the U.K.

http://www.shamanism.co.uk/
(The second from the left - the little old man with the white hair)
http://www.conts.com/shamanism.htm

Right now, Leo is charging 995 English pounds to participate in the Firebird Trance Dance
http://www.shamanism.co.uk/trance_dance.htm
995 English pounds is 1,829.01 USD or 2,307.84 CAD
I think this clown deserves to be the twink of the month for May 2005!
Baamaa
Heather
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on May 22, 2005, 10:47:12 pm
Quote
http://www.shamanism.co.uk/
(The second from the left - the little old man with the white hair)


That's my favourite twinkdork photo!
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: AlaskaGrl on May 23, 2005, 01:16:51 am
There is a link here  

http://www.healthyconcerts.com/reviews/?x=|action=add_review|Artist_ID=310|Artist_Name=Leo%20Rutherford

to submit a review.....  

Linda
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Defend the Sacred on November 24, 2009, 10:15:40 pm
Rutherford is now offering Ayahuasca tours (http://www.shamanism.co.uk/ayahuasca-experience/ayahuasca-4.html) (includes "relaxation in luxury Three star Hotel"), sweats (http://www.shamanism.co.uk/shamanism-2009/shamanism-sweat-lodge-2.html), and "Heyeokah" trainings (http://www.shamanism.co.uk/shamanism-2009/shamanism-heyeokah-trickster.html).

On this page (http://www.shamanism.co.uk/ayahuasca-experience/ayahuasca-1.html) we learn how he's taking people to the rainforest after telling them to stop taking all their meds:

"The most important things to avoid are pork, red meat, fat, salt, sugar, alcohol, drugs - including medicines - and sexual activity."

Reminds me of that Spalding Gray story where they wound up having to spend their fact-finding mission to Central America taking care of the guy who went off his meds and had a psychotic break. Good luck with that one, Leo. And what about those who, desperate for healing and enlightenment, go off their meds needed for things like heart conditions, cancer and diabetes? Another James Ray in the making? 

Like many other frauds, he's learned to avoid saying "Native American" on his website, instead substituting "shamanism" or "global spirituality". Whatever. He's still using proper names and fake ceremonies ripped off from his fantasies of Native American cultures.


ETA: Whoops, I spoke too  soon; he's still selling what he claims are NDN ceremonies: http://www.shamanism.co.uk/shamanism-2009/shamanism-sweat-lodge-2.html

"Sweat Lodge Ceremony
November 22nd, Sunday Afternoon-Evening - South Bedfordshire
With Leo Rutherford

The ancient purification ceremony in the style of the plains Indians."

Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: TimberlineWarrior on November 25, 2009, 10:12:28 am
At one time one of his disciples used to run drum groups in London and may still do so. LR is well known in the UK as somebody to avoid even though he advertises in most of the magazines.

^. .^
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: NDN_Outlaw on November 28, 2009, 10:54:40 pm
"Right now, Leo is charging 995 English pounds to participate in the Firebird Trance Dance"

They dance around a 69 Pontiac Firebird  ;D
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Defend the Sacred on November 29, 2009, 12:16:24 am
"Right now, Leo is charging 995 English pounds to participate in the Firebird Trance Dance"

They dance around a 69 Pontiac Firebird  ;D

Hey, I've been to that ceremony. There was lots of white people, and they were listening to Bad Company. Or maybe it was Foghat.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: E.P. Grondine on November 29, 2009, 12:41:03 am
At one time one of his disciples used to run drum groups in London and may still do so. LR is well known in the UK as somebody to avoid even though he advertises in most of the magazines.

^. .^

What are the magazines' titles? Any idea how are they distributed?
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: uktena on November 29, 2009, 06:07:16 am
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"Right now, Leo is charging 995 English pounds to participate in the Firebird Trance Dance"

They dance around a 69 Pontiac Firebird

While listening to Stravinsky?  :D  Frankly, I'd do a Sacre du Printemps Trance Dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjX3oAwv_Fs

...and follow the link to Part 2

At least this one has some kind of distant link to actual shamanism.   ;D
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: TimberlineWarrior on November 30, 2009, 10:45:44 am
One such magazine is Kindred Spirit, usually availabe from many sources, health orientated shops, Nu-age, crystals, etc. Rutherford can usually be found advertising in the back section.
http://www.kindredspirit.co.uk/

^. .^
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: NDN_Outlaw on December 02, 2009, 05:51:03 am
Some of these characters are so pathetic it's almost laughable.The sad part of it is so many people are attracted to this gibberish. Engaging this nitwit in a debate would be like entering into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: TimberlineWarrior on December 02, 2009, 11:39:03 am
Apart from his school he also is a prolific author and promotes his books to also part people from their money.

The View Through the Medicine Wheel: 'Shamanic Maps of How the Universe Works'

Shamanic Path Workbook by Leo Rutherford
This book takes you down both the red and the blue roads and offers many practical exercises and ceremonies to help and guide you on your way.

The Way of Shamanism

and
'ADAM & EVIL: THE GOD WHO HATES SEX, WOMEN AND HUMAN BODIES'   by Leo Rutherford writing  as The Heyeokah Guru
This one is particularly interesting, presumably the sudonym he has chosen is a take on Heyoka (NDN) and Guru Budhism!
But one claim he makes
EXPOSED - "JESUS CHRIST" IS A MYTHOLOGICAL FIGURE, NOT A PERSON
I happen to know that in his book Principles of Shamanism he mentions Jesus Christ and compares his journey into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights as to a Vision Quest and names JC as the Shaman of Nazareth. Yet now he can prove he is ficticious, maybe he can also prove that every claim he makes about himself as fake too, or at least should!

^. .^
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: morgain on September 16, 2011, 04:58:55 pm
Not sure if this is the correct place to post my contribution re LR.

I attended one of his weekends and came away angered and distressed.

1. I asked him if he tithed to the reservations as I'd travelled in the USA and knew the levels of poverty can be quite bad. He tried to duck it and then admitted he did not tithe.


2. At various points in the weekend LR appeared delighted that people had been stimulated to go into intense emotional states of distress. He made approving comments about how 'powerful' this was.

At the time I was a practising therapist (now retired). I had no objection to people going into intense states. Catharsis for anger or grief can be deeply healing, especially for inhibited Brits!
Sometimes this happened in my own work one-to-one, sometimes in a group setting. Sometimes it happened spontaneously, sometimes I deliberately provided conditions to encourage it for that person.
However this has to be done with meticulous care as to safety and trust. My method was to build a relationship of trust over time as a container to carry this experience. Also, crucially, I would ensure that the person had careful support during the experience and abundant time after it to be supported and return safely to 'norma' states.

None of this preparation or support afterwards was in place. People simply exploded under LR's delighted gaze.
It tended to happen towards the end of a session after mounting pressure from drumwork, trigger images etc to intensify emotion.
At the pre-set time to go into class break for coffee people were left literally on the floor in heaving sobbing heaps with no provision made to care for them.


3. Many of the women present were therapists, counsellors or co-counsellors.
We swung into action to hold, care for, soothe, stroke, sing to, validate and listen to these sobbing shaking people. This took a great deal of our time and energy until everyone was supported.
Meanwhile LR and his associates relaxed in the refectory.

I resented it greatly that I went there as a guest, not a facilitator, yet I together with many others, was forced to take on the burden of their thoughtless and cruel mess. Had it been a contract to run the event cooperatively, sharing the methods and the results together that would have been different. Possibly even if we had been asked to help even.
But LR just commented that this was wonderful because it was so powerful. He and assistants just walked out of the room leaving people in deep distress on the floor.


5. It was noticeable that this was a very gendered and exploitative situation.
A male wannabe shaman used shamanic techniques to induce intense states of painful emotion in the members of the group.
He took strong pleasure in the power he wielded to do so. It clearly fed his ego.
He then left the women in the group to do the caring and support work his victims needed. By doing so he invaded the victims and hurt them (mostly women) and exploited the other women present who did the emotional housework his hooliganism generated.
Needless to say LR was well paid for his role but the women were unpaid for theirs.


This was some years ago but I have never forgotten it. It made a big impression on me about copycat shamans.
Nothing I have heard of LR since has suggested he has changed.

Please move this if it fits better somewhere else.





Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Sad-Old-Druid on September 18, 2011, 01:31:05 pm
Yes that all rings completely true. It was routinely like that. It's only from the outside now that I see how stupid it can be.

To my knowledge there is nobody at all within Leo's 'College' (an institution which, by this word, claims professional status but is self-appointed and therefore invalid) who is both properly trained and properly qualified to do such serious work.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Cheesy Little Life on September 29, 2012, 12:34:50 pm
Re: eagle feathers (?)

I am not the only person who remembers Mr Rutherford using a very large smudge fan made from a bird’s wing.
It might have been a real eagle's wing (but I might be wrong).

Perhaps US Fish & Wildlife might be interested to enquire further.

Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Sparks on January 11, 2017, 07:25:27 am
… Eagle's Wing, which is a fraud outfit in England founded by the late exploiter Leo Rutherford.

Leo Rutherford is still around: http://eagleswing.co.uk/individual-sessions/leo-rutherford-individual-sessions/

… and now reported to do a workshop in Norway this spring: https://www.facebook.com/events/1766346403604525/

[Translated from Norwegian]:
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«The Medicine Wheel is an old tradition that has had a very great influence on the North American Indian culture. It gave in its time also inspiration for the American "Founding Fathers". Leo Rutherford, "The Godfather of British Shamanism", is Europe's leading promoter of this knowledge. It is with great pleasure that we invite to courses with this acclaimed capacity.»

See also: http://www.livstreet.com/kurs/2017/3/24/kurs-i-medisinhjulet-med-leo-rutheerford

[Translated from Norwegian]:
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COURSE IN MEDICINE WHEEL
It is with great pleasure that we invite you to the first course on the North American Medicine Wheel to be held in Norway. This is a several thousand year old knowledge that largely shaped the original Indian culture. A knowledge that both gives us an understanding of the Universe and its contexts, and guidelines for cooperation and development of society. Our oldest democratic ideas are sourced from here. The Medicine Wheel also gives a deep insight into the human mind, and shows which roads and pitfalls there are on the path to self-realization. The Medicine Wheel encompasses the major questions while giving practical guidance in daily life. It is an incredibly good tool for those who seek greater insight and understanding of their own and others minds.

After the whites almost ruined Native American culture, this knowledge went underground and was through generations only shared with initiates. It was first made known to the public through the books 'Seven Arrows' and 'Lightningbolt' of Hyemeyohsts Storm.

The European who above everyone else knows the Medicine Wheel best is Leo Rutherford. Not without reason is he called 'The Godfather of British Shamanism'. Leo has over 30 years experience both as a psychotherapist and as a shaman. He has, among others, been trained by Hyemeyohsts Storm, the legendary Michael Harner, Harley Swiftdeer, Sandra Ingerman, Gabrielle Roth (trance-dance), Felicitas Goodman (trance postures), Jean Houston, and Sun Bear. He has also gained a lot of knowledge in Peruvian shamanism from Alberto Villoldo and don Eduardo Calderon, and in African shamanism from Malidoma Somé.

He has led courses in England since 1985, trained many who today are practicing shamans, has accompanied many groups to Peru, and led over 300 Sweat Lodges. He has written four books:

- Principles of Shamanism / Way of Shamanism
- Shamanic Path Workbook
- The View through the Medicine Wheel
- Spirituality versus Religion

Leo is a very talented, inspirational and inclusive teacher. He speaks a clearly understandable English.

[In English at the above-mentioned site]:
Quote
HOW THE UNIVERSE WORKS

Medicine Wheel maps of relationship. With Leo Rutherford

When we go somewhere new, the first thing we usually do is find a map to help in plotting our course. But have you ever had a map of life? I didn't until I discovered the Medicine Wheel - and what a difference it has made!

You can put any life issue or question onto the Medicine Wheel and once you find it's correct 'sitting place', the wheel will show you what energies are working and what they are doing – and therefore what to address in order to change and heal the issue.

The Medicine Wheel is a series of interlocking maps of life and shows us the forces that operate on us from all directions. The wheels are circles of power and knowledge, ways of knowing life and its cyclical and circular nature.

'Medicine' means vital force, it is anything which brings personal power, power over our self, the ability to respond to and to consciously co-create our life. The Medicine Wheel is not a belief system It guides us to steer a good heart-full path through life's many challenges and vicissitudes.

The Twenty Count, also known as the Childrens' Count because it was a way children were taught, is the foundation wheel and shows the forces of the Universe and how they compliment and oppose each other.

The Seven Arrows are a map of how we make ourselves miserable and how to get out of such spirals of self destruction to a place of happiness and rejoicing in life.

This workshop will give you new ways to understand your self and your life and new ways to deal with the challenges that life sends you. It will include shamanic drum journeys, ceremonies and other experiences which will enable you to feel into the messages taught by the wheels and how they relate to you. It will open the door to a much greater sense of personal empowerment and possibility.

The Star Maiden's Circle is the central circle of the Twenty Count and is the circle of human life and development.

All those "teachers" who are named are well-known to me and to this forum. Hyemeyohsts Storm is frequently mentioned in the forum, but I found no separate thread on him. I'd like to recommend this excellent article:

https://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Hyemeyohsts_Storm

My main reason for posting here is to ask if there is as much as an iota of truth in these descriptions of the "Medicine Wheel"? Is there any recent and decent scholarly work tracing the New Age origins of this concept? If it really is "an old Indian Tradition", can it be traced back in the history of any Native American Nation?
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: LionHeart on April 09, 2017, 09:33:41 am
I have worked with Leo for some time now and never seen or have been asked to take any psycho active substance. I have found him to be incredibly kind and he holds a space really well, almost like a mother would hold a new born baby. I guess that comes from the many years of experience he has gained working with different groups of people.

I would say that we all learn from many different people and some we like and some we do not.

The only way to find out is to try out new things and if it makes you uncomfortable then you have found a way to evolve beyond your own judgement.

Much kindness to all and may our Mars be strong in this world
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: educatedindian on April 10, 2017, 01:03:27 am
I have worked with Leo for some time now and never seen or have been asked to take any psycho active substance. I have found him to be incredibly kind and he holds a space really well, almost like a mother would hold a new born baby....

The only way to find out is to try out new things and if it makes you uncomfortable then you have found a way to evolve beyond your own judgement.

Much kindness to all and may our Mars be strong in this world

Mr. Peter Askew, why would you think peddling a Nuage fraud posing as a Native holy man, or that quoting from a goofy version of ancient Greek beliefs, would win us over?

Rutherford was selling a dangerous fraudulent version of ayahuasca ceremony up to 2009 at least.
https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20090606062325/http://www.shamanism.co.uk/ayahuasca-experience/ayahuasca-4.html

Does peddling fraud, and dangerous fraud, seem "kind" to you? And do you always recommend others try dangerous self destructive and fraudulent ceremony that seems "new" to them? Seemingly so, for Rutherford's phony version of sweatlodge that your site hosts and markets for cash is just as dangerous as selling ayahuasca.

Perhaps you should be the one to try something new to you. Realize the immorality and harm you have done and refund every penny you've ever made from it, apologize, and never host Rutherford again, or injure others that way anymore.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Sparks on April 10, 2017, 03:10:03 am
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http://www.shamanism.co.uk/
(The second from the left - the little old man with the white hair)
That's my favourite twinkdork photo!

— Seems "the little old man with the white hair" referred to the link below the text, not above:

http://www.shamanism.co.uk/
(The second from the left - the little old man with the white hair)
http://www.conts.com/shamanism.htm

The first link now goes to "SHAMANISM IN ROMANIA", while the second is about "Contemporary Shamanism" and Leo Rutherford.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Piff on April 11, 2017, 01:41:21 am
Leo Rutherford, the old con artist, cracks himself up laughing in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IeJLatKEUw . Around the 13 minute mark, while talking about his trance dancing events and claiming that dancers will always get exactly what they need, he says "sometimes that even includes a bucket", "now and again, people need to puke", and "the bucket will always be there, just in time".

I've no clue why he thinks that is funny. Encouraging his paying customers to dance until they vomit is abusive.

Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 11, 2017, 07:53:20 pm
Peter Askew / "Lionheart"'s tangent has been moved to his own thread here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4989

Also note that Askew has changed the URL on his site for Rutherford's workshops. Rutherford's pay to pray and dangerous fake ceremonies, hosted by Peter Askew, are now at this link:

http://yogaevolutionretreats.com/shamanism-retreats-workshops.html
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Irena on April 21, 2017, 02:17:23 pm
Hello all. Like Peter Askew, I was alarmed by the negativity surrounding Leo Rutherford. It seems more like a hate/mock-fest...? In case anyone is interested in ensuring a balanced perspective, just to say that Leo has helped two of my relatives with issues very successfully, I have also had personal experience of his help.  In all these experiences, Leo has been extremely sensitive and kind. There has never been any hint of commercialisation of what he did for our family, or any other pressure or pretence about his teachings. On the contrary, Leo has very self-deprecating humour. I am also surprised by one comment regarding Leo's gender attitudes: I simply do not recognise this at all, it's as if the discussions on the forum were about a different person.  It is true that some group exercises of many kinds (my experience was with Chinese chi sessions) can leave participants in a difficult state, and perhaps women might find that disturbing (incl. me), but that would not necessarily mean that help was needed or that the leaders were uncaring. In any case, just for the avoidance of doubt, I am not connected in any way to Leo, but just really found the balance of the opinions here alarming given my own direct experience. I would wonder whether the forum really seeks a balanced perspective...
With kind regards.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Smart Mule on April 21, 2017, 05:16:02 pm
Irena how can you balance appropriation and fraud? You can't.
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: educatedindian on April 22, 2017, 04:47:08 pm
Hello all. Like Peter Askew, I was alarmed by the negativity surrounding Leo Rutherford. It seems more like a hate/mock-fest...? In case anyone is interested in ensuring a balanced perspective, just to say that Leo has helped two of my relatives with issues very successfully, I have also had personal experience of his help.  In all these experiences, Leo has been extremely sensitive and kind. There has never been any hint of commercialisation of what he did for our family, or any other pressure or pretence about his teachings. On the contrary, Leo has very self-deprecating humour. I am also surprised by one comment regarding Leo's gender attitudes: I simply do not recognise this at all, it's as if the discussions on the forum were about a different person.  It is true that some group exercises of many kinds (my experience was with Chinese chi sessions) can leave participants in a difficult state, and perhaps women might find that disturbing (incl. me), but that would not necessarily mean that help was needed or that the leaders were uncaring. In any case, just for the avoidance of doubt, I am not connected in any way to Leo, but just really found the balance of the opinions here alarming given my own direct experience. I would wonder whether the forum really seeks a balanced perspective...
With kind regards.

IOW, because you think he helped you, you ignore:
A lifelong history of exploitation by him for cash.
A lifelong series of falsehoods from him about indigenous beliefs.
Him openly mocking and treating with contempt those who follow him.
Sexist mistreatment of women.
And constantly holding false versions of ceremonies he has no real training in that endanger the lives and mental health of those attending.

That is very unbalanced of you.
If people were to discuss a con artist, and one of his victims still believed in him and defended him, would that also be "unbalanced"?
If a fellow con artist like Peter Askew also defended their mutual con games, would skepticism of the second con artist also be "unbalanced," "hate" or "mocking"?
Title: Re: Leo Rutherford
Post by: Sparks on September 26, 2019, 02:07:20 pm
Peter Askew / "Lionheart"'s tangent has been moved to his own thread here:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4989

Also note that Askew has changed the URL on his site for Rutherford's workshops. Rutherford's pay to pray and dangerous fake ceremonies, hosted by Peter Askew, are now at this link:
http://yogaevolutionretreats.com/shamanism-retreats-workshops.html

I posted updates about Leo Rutherford in the Peter Askew thread today:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4989.msg46744#msg46744