Author Topic: Good Sources-Alternatives to Nuage  (Read 34118 times)

Offline ShadowDancer

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Re: Good Sources-Alternatives to Nuage
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2015, 08:37:16 pm »

The Matthews, who are English, wrote some OK things when they first started out, but now they are some of the worst appropriators. Caitlin plays very loose with the translations, and last I heard John doesn't have any Gaelic or Welsh at all. Even worse, they are very involved in taking misunderstood versions of Plains NDN ceremonies and trying to "Celticize" them. For instance they sell fake Inipi ceremonies - which they call by appropriated and misapplied Gaelic terms - but it's a fake Inipi. They are largely to blame for starting the whole "Celtic Shaman" fad, which is offensive and damaging to all the cultures they are ripping off, blending and misrepresenting.

Their only books that are useful are the anthologies where they've compiled older, now copyright-free, manuscripts. But skip over their collections of these materials and go straight to the originals. Most of the copyright-free stuff is now available online, anyway, and for free.

This came through on Facebook today on Caitlin Matthews page.  I found it interesting that someone who appropriates is annoyed that she was in turn appropriated.

I have been sent an extract from a self-published book in which I feature. Apparently viewing my image caused an experience in the author - not from any actual meeting, as I don't know her. So I'm really and thoroughly annoyed at being cited as the source of a contact that told the author she was 'an honorary shaman.' None of my spirits would ever say this, to my certain knowledge. Anyone who knows me and my work would speedily dismiss such a thing. After this experience, she went to a shamanic workshop (not any of mine, I hasten to say) and is 'now a shaman.' One workshop does not a shaman make! Arghh! What can one do about such an assertion? The book is apparently already published and seems to be largely about angels. Why did she not contact me first and check I was alright with this?

It attempts a manner of passive self-endorsement that I've never come across before. People have claimed to: 'work with me'  :) attended one class); that I would be speaking at their conference  :)
was never even invited, but, who cares, it gets bums on seats and then we can say she cancelled!); that I gave permission for lengthy quotations in their book  :) didn't bother asking me and certainly wouldn't have paid a permission fee) and all manner of other things, but this takes the bloody biscuit!

Offline Breet

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Re: Good Sources-Alternatives to Nuage
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2017, 05:32:00 pm »
Thank you very much for this information - trying to find my authentic celtic roots!  These links are a great start!

Offline fairbanks

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Re: Good Sources-Alternatives to Nuage
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2022, 11:01:01 pm »
Anyone have good sources they could recommend for German pagans? I tried recommending "go to yuour own heritage" at Luneberg and got some answers that they couldnt because the Nazis have contaminated the traditions. Is an Old Saxon Heathenry reconstructionist group that has taken hard stances against Asatru and neo-nazi pagans.

Mission Statement of Aldsidu (Old Saxon Heathenry)
In view of the fact that many modern pagan religions claim to be revivals of ancient Germanic religions, and assert that their own practices are historically accurate or representative of ancient practices while ignoring the historical record regarding such practices, Historical Old Saxon Heathens (Aldsidu) adopted this mission statement.

This statement is solely intended to help distinguish historical Aldsidu, or Old Saxon Heathenry, from those modern pagan religions, such as Asatru or Wicca, that claim to be “Old (Historical) Ways” that are clearly not.  Asatru and Wicca are fine traditions. However, they do not use the historically attested practices of Germanic Heathen religions and deviate substantially from them in both practice and belief. While we do not mean to insult or discount the validity of Asatru or Wicca, we absolutely deny any claims of these groups as accurately reflecting historical Heathen Germanic belief and practice, through the surviving historical sources.

Some Aldsidu (Old Saxon Heathen) groups and/or individuals may be stricter in their observances of these principles than others. Historical Old Saxon Heathenry (Aldsidu) as well as any form of Historical Germanic Heathenry can be defined by a commitment to the following points:

Modern observance of Aldsidu should comply with historically attested practices in historical sources. Aldsidu practitioners believe in the Gods attributed to the Saxons. Aldsidu is a faith, not a re-enactment group. Aldsidu is the Old Saxon cognate of the Old Norse "Forn Sed" (various spellings in Scandianvia.)

Aldsidu Heathens and Saxonhofs (local communities) reject the Wiccan Wheel of the Year as a model by which the dates of sacred rituals should be set. Aldsidu ceremonies are dated in accordance with the cycles of the moon, as was done in historical Heathen times, rather than by the solstices and equinoxes of the sun. This follows the historical sources on the dating of Heathen holidays. Historical Germanic Heathens (including Saxon Heathens) followed a lunisolar calendar.  The Old Saxon word for "moon" and "month" are related words, as the Old Saxon word "month" (manoð) means "cycle of the moon."

Saxon uuihdage (holidays) are Winter Full Moon (Norse Winter Nights), Giul (Norse Yule or Jol), and Summer-blot (Norse Sigurblot), which occur on Full Moons respectively.  Winter Full Moon occurs on the Full Moon of Winter Moon (Uuintar-manoð).  Three full moons after Winter Full Moon is Yule, also called "Mid-Winter", which begins on the Full Moon of Yule Moon ("Iul-Manoð.")   Three full moons after Yule is Summer-blot, on the Full Moon of "Summer Moon" (Summar-Manoð.)

Aldsidu communities observe Sumble in accordance with historically attested examples of Sumble, rather than in the Wiccan Sabbat Celtic Circle-style Sumble often used among modern pagan groups.

Aldsidu communities perform blot in accordance with historically attested practices to the best of their ability. Blot has an important place in modern practice and Saxon Heathens strive to observe it inasmuch as it is practical to do so under all relevant circumstances.

Aldsidu individuals and Saxonhofs reject all forms of bigotry and racism.

Aldsidu Heathens and Saxonhofs share a commitment to academic honesty and integrity.


Aldsidu is a networking and education website, and "lite organization."  Aldsidu also has a Facebook page for members to ask questions, network, and interact. Aldsidu in Old Saxon means "Old Ways" and is the historically attested word the Saxons used to describe their Heathenry. This is well attested in Old Saxon poetry from the 8th and 9th centuries. Aldsidu, the lite-organization, is a loose confederation of Saxon Heathen families and communities. We are bound together by our generally shared commitment to observing the Historical Old Saxon ways in accordance with the ideals expressed in this General Statement. We have come together for the purpose of divorcing historical heathenry from other forms of modern paganism. More importantly, we seek to further the growth and development of the Old Ways (Aldsidu) in the modern world by putting like-minded Heathens together and providing a forum in which they may network and share ideas.  Historical Germanic Heathens are welcome to join us, as Aldsidu is very similar to Scandinavian Heathenry. Please join us in the Facebook group: Saxon Heathenry.

Old Saxon Heathenry is about the Saxons who lived in Saxony, and is not the same as Old Anglish Heathenry, of the various tribes that had portions of their people migrate to Britannia. Old Saxon and Old English are two different languages, from two different countries, from two different peoples. Old Saxon peoples lived in Saxony, i.e. Northern Germany, and the Old English were the Angles in Angle-land (England) who spoke Anglish/English.  Aldsidu Heathens strongly respect historical Old English Heathens, as we respect all forms of historical Heathenry, be it of the Danes, Swedes, Geats, Norse (*Norwegian), Icelandic, Frisian, Chatti, and many other Germanic tribes who knew the Aesir historically.  Historical evidence shows that the Saxons in Saxony were allies of the Danes, and the most famous Saxon Heathen leader, Widukind, married into the Royal Danish family. Old Saxon Heathenry is historically attested as being very similar to Danish Heathenry, Saxony's allies and neighbors.

Saxon Heathen Leadership