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interview with Paul "Ghost Horse"
« on: March 19, 2007, 05:44:09 pm »
He is the adopted son of Buck "Ghost Horse", who died a couple of weeks ago. He may become the new head of the "Ghost Horse Nation":

http://www.newlifejournal.com/mar07/strong-roots-dreaming-your-song-paul-ghost-horse.shtml

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Re: interview with Paul "Ghost Horse"
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 06:14:21 pm »
The friend that sent me the link said that inspite of this:
"Paul Ghost Horse is a Lakota ceremonial leader"

This man is not Lakota. Don't know if he is Indian or not.

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Re: interview with Paul "Ghost Horse"
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 11:52:06 pm »
If you will check this list 'Ghost Horse" is on it.
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PARTIAL LIST
~ Wolf Moondance
~ Morgan Eaglebear , or Morgan Eaglebear Maez
(There is a letter written by the APACHE NATION which definitely REFUTES Morgan's claim to be related to Geronimo, OR to being a member of that NATION! Look for it on American Indian Movement websites, especially the Virginia chapter!)
~ Brooke Medicine Eagle
~ EARTH THUNDER
~ JAMIE SAMS
~ Hyemeyohsts Storm, Wolf Storm
~ Swan Storm
~ Mary Summer Rain
~ White Crystal Feather
~ Ghostwolf, aka Robert Ghostwolf Franzone
~ Lynn V. Andrews
~  Manny Two Feathers
~ Michael Harner
~ David Carson
~ Randy Tate, aka Randy Two Bears Standing Tate, aka Chief Two Bears Standing Tate,
ShaunaSay Tate, aka ShaunaSay Whitefeather Tate, aka leader of Red Nation of the Cherokee.
~ Neeshanha, aka Kat  Lonergan
~ Dhyani Ywahoo, born Diane Fisher
~ Rainbow Eagle, real name Roland Willston
~ Roy Steevensz, aka Roy Little Sun
~ Mary Elizabeth Thunder, aka Mary Thunder, real name Mary Grimes
~ Standing Bear , Aka Standing Bear Moore, aka Manataka, real name Randy Lee Moore
~ Don Miguel, aka Don Miguel Ruiz, aka Sixth Sun
~ Carlos Castenada
~ Marlo Morgan
~ Christine Olinger, aka White Raven
~ Soaring Paw N Hooves Cawley, aka Selma Palmer
~ Dreamwalker, aka Thunderwarriors, aka Tony Dreamwalker, aka Tony Press
~ Bernyce Barlow
~ Don Two Eagles Waterhawk, aka Don Waterhawk, real name Donald R. Cakerice
~ Tom Netz, aka Chief Soft Shell Turtle, aka Ahkootya
~ Carmen Sunrising Pope
~ Katherine Cheshire, aka Dep See Mana
~ Buck Ghost Horse
~ Vicki Ghost Horse
~ Paul Ghost Horse
~ Carole Eagleheart
~ Roy Wilson, Medicine Wheel Tribe
~ Wind Wolf Woman, aka Sunbeam, aka Mahinto
~ Lynda Yraceburu
~ Maria Yraceburu, aka Naylin
~ Dorothy Deagle, aka Dorothy Daigle, aka Red Hat
~ Red Elk, real name Gerald Osbourne
~ Londuv, aka Melanie Hofsteters, aka Melanie Kennedy
~ Many Knives, Bo or Boe Glasschild
~ Duncan Sings Alone, aka C W Duncan
~ Ed McGaa, aka Eagle Man
*Lakota Oyate, NOT US, has him on their not recommended list. Contact the NATION! WE DID!*
~ Jeanne Marie Troge
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LIST OF NON-NATIVE MUSICIANS (their music is FASHIONED after Native music, but these folks are NOT members of a Tribe, according to MANY websites you can easily locate) is on another of my ebay guides. Feel free to do a google search for these as well, & AS ALWAYS, simply CONTACT EACH TRIBE FOR THE TRUTH!

It boils down to this: Either you want the truth, or you want your own fantasy. Trouble is, fantasy does NO honor to REAL INDIAN PEOPLE! Truth may hurt, but lies destroy! Help Native America hold on to what little is left of THEIR REALITY & CULTURE! GO TO THE NATIONS! TRUST ONLY THEM!



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Re: interview with Paul "Ghost Horse"
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2007, 12:02:04 am »
I don't recall if Buck's wife was NDN or not. Even so, doesn't make any of them ceremonial leaders. The second generation, offspring of frauds eg this Paul, or Mala Pope, get my sympathy even though they harm many people. Much like a child abuse victim doesn't know any better and thinks abuse is normal or even good and perpetuates it generation after generation.

That magazine focuses on organic gardening, doesn't seem particularly. It might be possible to get through to them with carefully worded letters.

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Re: interview with Paul "Ghost Horse"
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2007, 12:05:05 am »
Federal Goverment Web site

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Re: interview with Paul "Ghost Horse"
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2007, 01:35:56 am »
Al,
BUk adopted this guy as an adult. So no sympathy from me. He is not Vicki's child either. She claims to be Oglala, black and euro. Could be, I don't know. She also has claimed to be an "elder in the Ghost Horse Nation."

weheli,

I know all too much aboput this guy. Friends have been involved with him. Buck that is. Most of their "nation" is made up of wannabes.