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General => Frauds => Topic started by: crazyeagle on October 18, 2007, 01:25:41 pm

Title: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: crazyeagle on October 18, 2007, 01:25:41 pm
http://www.sweat-lodge.co.uk/

This one kind of sticks in my throat...maybe it is the wording..Canadian way of doing things..

 
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: TrishaRoseJacobs on October 18, 2007, 02:26:43 pm
Seneca Wolf Clan, isn't that what all of Tylah Nitsch's follower's claim?
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: educatedindian on October 18, 2007, 04:07:30 pm
A pretty strange link on that site.
http://www.somoteitbe.co.uk/

Another link has a picture of EGW.
http://www.reikibythelakes.co.uk/htm/contact.htm#

Click picture board, and you'll see them building that "sweatlodge." I sure wouldn't trust something that poorly built.

EGW is in the bottom picture on the right, holding a ridiculous looking shield with a Franklin Mint picture on it, woves, eagles, and crystals.

Check out these other "ceremonies" for sale.

"Drumming Workshop
A Shamanic Drumming workshop in the traditional Canadian way. Throughout the day you will hear and learn native songs and have an opportunity to join in with the singing and drumming using drums made in a traditional fashion.
Weather permitting a ceremony will be held around a ceremonial fire and you will get in touch with your own rhythm, the rhythm of your heart and the rhythm of the earth and as a result start to learn of your own personal power. A Drumming circle can create a lot of energy which can be used by the people present as well as some being given away to the earth. The whole day is very much based on our connection with the earth and increasing our understanding and awareness of this connection to both the male and female energies within the earth.

Dates: TBA
Time: 11.00am - 4.30pm
Price £30

Fire Ceremony

The Fire Ceremony is a traditional Canadian way of giving thanks to the fire and giving away our negativity to the fire so that it can be transformed. In learning about the nature and spirit of fire we can learn about ourselves."
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: guest456 on March 03, 2015, 02:19:42 pm
Yes I know about Eve.. she is Seneca Wolf Clan - born Canada served her apprenterhip with her "sister" Jamie Sams with Grandmother Twyla. I have attended many of her workshops - sweat lodges. and meetings. She is well versed in Canadian politics of the Native Clans. Anyone around the West Midlands will have seen or heard of her.
The sweatlodge mentioned in a previous post -IS substantial and built with the correct intentions as laid down by native teachings. The only problem they had was finding a virgin to place the first cut into the ground for the stone pit.
I suggest anyone who considers Eve to be a fraud - contact her and find out for yourself! ::)
Also the drum was hand painted and has a brilliant sound  - I suggest that anyone who can find fault in anothers  art work should lookinwards to  what they perceive "their" world looks like to others!! ...
Eve is like many women / warriors complex and interesting and very knowledgeable
As the saying goes when the student is ready the teacher willcome...suggest anyone who want the truth about the Native Peoples of many lands contact Eve
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: earthw7 on March 03, 2015, 02:41:32 pm
I would ask are you Native guest 456? I find that people who come to defend frauds are usually white women who know nothing about our culture and don't see what they are doing is wrong, what does the art on a drum have to do with the right to have a drum? Why is these women running a sweat lodge and who gave them the right OH RIGHT Grandmother Twyla who is fraud  :o
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: debbieredbear on March 03, 2015, 05:05:04 pm
Sorry guest 456, but you need to read up about Twyla and Jamie Sams. They each have their own threads on this forum:
Twyla:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1046.msg5675#msg5675 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1046.msg5675#msg5675)

Jamie:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=688.msg34413#msg34413 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=688.msg34413#msg34413)

Because this woman, Eve, is a member of the Seneca Wolf Clan does not mean she is Native. It only means she bought (figuratively and literally) into a known frauds teaching. If she is indeed Seneca, which I doubt, who are her people? Is she enrolled? Do the Senecas recognize her? Personally, I think she is probably a white woman perpetrating a fraud.
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: Epiphany on March 03, 2015, 08:44:50 pm
Her actual name is Eve Lung.


Some gleanings from archived sites:

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Eve Gray Wolf runs traditional Canadian sweat Lodges in the traditional way of her own people the Huron.

With a long experience of the sweat lodge ceremony Eve Gray Wolf gives you the opportunity to experience this ancient native practice for yourself.

Eve Gray Wolf was brought up in the tradition of the Huron and is also a qualified Seneca Wolf Clan teacher.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060411060602/http://www.sweat-lodge.co.uk/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20060411060602/http://www.sweat-lodge.co.uk/)

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Native Canadian Sweat Lodges
Starts 11.00am - 4.00pm
TBA
Traditional Canadian Sweat Lodges with Eve Gray Wolf.
Not to be Missed! £40

Seneca Wolf Clan Teachings
TBA
This an introduction to a course of workshops with Eve Gray Wolf. This will be a popular event so book now!
Not to be Missed! £10

Tarot Readings
Most Saturdays Native Canadian Readings with Eve Gray Wolf.
Also available Native American card readings by Nigel, ring to book.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110312091249/http://reikibythelakes.co.uk/htm/events.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/20110312091249/http://reikibythelakes.co.uk/htm/events.htm)
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Part of a 1999 article:

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Gray Wolf's wisdom of the tribe

Birmingham Evening Mail (England)

November 23, 1999 | Copyright


You've seen them in the movies and they're shrouded by mystery - but now they're here in Birmingham. Mail Women's Editor DIANE PARKES meets Eve Gray Wolf, a real-life shaman.

SHAMAN: Half-Huron Indian Eve Lung is also known as Gray Wolf.

SPECIAL REPORT

EVE Lung must have made quite an impression on her neighbours in Moseley. She's a middle-aged woman, carefully made-up and very correct in her bearing. She's also dressed as an American Indian.

She carefully dons her animal skins and feathers before she talks about being one with the earth and finding your inner self. That's because Eve is a modern-day Native American shaman.

Half Huron Indian, and known as Eve Gray Wolf, she uses the knowledge of her forebears in an attempt to help people on their road to self-development and a happier, healthier life. …

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-17612371.html (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-17612371.html)

2011:

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There are workshops from ... Eve Gray Wolf, a Native American Huron Indian who specialises in her own people’s spirituality and the Faery realms

http://blog.dusktilldawnevents.co.uk/?tag=evesham (http://blog.dusktilldawnevents.co.uk/?tag=evesham)
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: Epiphany on March 03, 2015, 08:56:40 pm
Eve Lung does have a Facebook page. She says she is from Upper Canada Village, Ontario and is now in Moseley, Birmingham, U.K. She says she is a "spiritual teacher", speaks English and Canadian French, attended a Roman Catholic girl's school in U.K.

Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: Epiphany on March 03, 2015, 09:00:23 pm
Just batty about Dracula.

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Birmingham Evening Mail (England)

May 27, 2000 | Copyright

A BIRMINGHAM woman was among scholars, artists and fans from around the globe who gathered in Romania for the Second World Dracula Congress.

Eve Lung, from Moseley, is one of hundreds of people attending four days of lectures and debate on the blood-sucking legend.

Eve, who is a modern-day Native American shaman, has run workshops for people of all ages, does psychic readings and takes part in complementary health fairs across the Midlands. …

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-62348909.html (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-62348909.html)
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: debbieredbear on March 03, 2015, 11:07:41 pm
So, she says she's Huron, but pratices pretendian ways and is a ceremony seller. Kinda think that if she is Huron, it's distant, or she was raised away from her culture. Either way, she's a fraud.
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: earthw7 on March 04, 2015, 01:43:57 pm
wow another fraud
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: Superdog on March 06, 2015, 11:16:52 pm
Yes I know about Eve.. she is Seneca Wolf Clan - born Canada served her apprenterhip with her "sister" Jamie Sams with Grandmother Twyla. I have attended many of her workshops - sweat lodges. and meetings. She is well versed in Canadian politics of the Native Clans. Anyone around the West Midlands will have seen or heard of her.

Jamie Sams and Twyla Nitsch?  Not exactly helping her out.  But, thanks for clearing that up for us. Seneca Wolf Clan membership costs $$$ and doesn't make you Seneca.  Try again.

I see a lot of advertisements in Midland for Eve Gray Wolf (with an "a") also selling services as a psychic and clairvoyant.  Same person?

Superdog
Title: Re: Eve Grey Wolf?...does anyone know anything about this person
Post by: Epiphany on March 07, 2015, 08:09:16 pm

I see a lot of advertisements in Midland for Eve Gray Wolf (with an "a") also selling services as a psychic and clairvoyant.  Same person?

Superdog

Same person. I've only found her listed as Eve Gray Wolf, don't see her named Eve Grey Wolf except for here in title.

Eve is lead vocals in a "pagan power music" band called Soul Takers UK http://soultakersuk.com/page3.htm (http://soultakersuk.com/page3.htm). Don't know how active the band is now. Their related Facebook and Twitter pages are not active.

Another photo of her, this time in Dracula mode http://uk.reuters.com/article/2006/10/26/life-vampyres-idUKNOA63350320061026 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2006/10/26/life-vampyres-idUKNOA63350320061026)



Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: AnnOracle60 on September 26, 2019, 02:28:09 am
If you've not walked in their shoes, if you've not talked to them personally, if you've not atteneded a workshop / or class, if you've not visited their home, if you've not recieved a birthday gift from them, if you've not had a reading from them, if you've not broken bread with them, if you've not received a hug from then, - you cannot comment.
And now you can let Eve rest in peace - for she now knows more than we do. RIP EVE LUNG  194?-2019 REST IN PEACE and may this posting topic cease.

Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: AnnOracle60 on September 26, 2019, 02:47:59 am
http://www.sweat-lodge.co.uk/

This one kind of sticks in my throat...maybe it is the wording..Canadian way of doing things..

see my reply 13
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Piff on September 26, 2019, 03:02:57 am
AnnOracle60, "This is a working board, for ending cultural abuse and exploitation." http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1.msg44824#msg44824

Of course we can comment. I don't have to endure a fake sweat lodge before I comment about it. I don't have to give all my money to a fraud before I can warn others about them. I don't have to believe false information and gets hugs from the purveyor before I write about them.

Do you have a link to an obituary or other notice concerning the claimed death of Eve Lung?

Who are you?
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Piff on September 26, 2019, 03:14:22 am
I do see discussion on Facebook stating that Eve has died.
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Piff on September 26, 2019, 03:34:31 am
More discussion:

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David Wright?
to Only After Dark
11 hrs ·

It's been a sad day for me today after learning about the passing in the last few days of Eve Lung.

Eve was very well known on the alternative club scene in Birmingham, and has been a regular attendee and supporter of OAD since it first took place in Birmingham nearly 10 years ago.

Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Sparks on September 26, 2019, 11:37:03 am
Eve Lung does have a Facebook page. She says she is from Upper Canada Village, Ontario and is now in Moseley, Birmingham, U.K. She says she is a "spiritual teacher", speaks English and Canadian French, attended a Roman Catholic girl's school in U.K.

Here is that Facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/eve.lung.7

I do see discussion on Facebook stating that Eve has died.

Here: https://www.facebook.com/debbie.isadeen/posts/10156739771308269

More discussion:

Here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/227889111357/permalink/10157521630816358/
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Sparks on September 26, 2019, 11:51:17 am
http://www.sweat-lodge.co.uk/

This one kind of sticks in my throat...maybe it is the wording..Canadian way of doing things..

see my reply 13

Thats this one:

If you've not walked in their shoes, if you've not talked to them personally, if you've not atteneded a workshop / or class, if you've not visited their home, if you've not recieved a birthday gift from them, if you've not had a reading from them, if you've not broken bread with them, if you've not received a hug from then, - you cannot comment.
And now you can let Eve rest in peace - for she now knows more than we do. RIP EVE LUNG  194?-2019 REST IN PEACE and may this posting topic cease.

On my screen it's Reply #14, not #13. That's a quirk with all Simple Machines Forums (SMF). Sometimes, the first post is counted as Reply #1 (like on my screen). And sometimes the counting starts with post #2 which is then labelled Reply #1, which is more logical. Why this changes I don't know. This erratic behaviour creates a lot of misunderstandings, i have noted over several years, having written more than 5,000 posts in several different SMF forums.
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Sparks on September 26, 2019, 12:04:08 pm
On my screen it's Reply #14, not #13. That's a quirk with all Simple Machines Forums (SMF). […]

I started a new topic about that, where comments and replies may be posted:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5422.0
[An issue with the automatic numbering of replies in SMF threads]
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: educatedindian on September 26, 2019, 12:39:02 pm
If you've not walked in their shoes, if you've not talked to them personally, if you've not atteneded a workshop / or class, if you've not visited their home, if you've not recieved a birthday gift from them, if you've not had a reading from them, if you've not broken bread with them, if you've not received a hug from then, - you cannot comment.
And now you can let Eve rest in peace - for she now knows more than we do. RIP EVE LUNG  194?-2019 REST IN PEACE and may this posting topic cease.

If the extent of your understanding of Native traditions comes from knowing so little you paid for phony ceremony, you should not comment other than saying "I'm sorry," "I didn't realize what I did was wrong, but now I do," and "What can I do to make up for the wrong I did?"

The last thing you should be doing is racist White-splaining. It's condescending, and contemptuous of the cultures you claim to admire or imitate.

The question becomes, do we move this thread to Archives?
 
Thankfully, Eve Lung didn't have much of an impact beyond taking advantage of her local circle. Most of her online presence has ended. It's mostly old ads for her ceremony selling. Her websites are down, and the only book I saw of her was about King Arthur.

Ironically her defenders are the main argument for keeping this thread active, since they naively believe her genuine and only seem to know her falsehoods.

Again, AO, can you point us to an obituary?
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: AnnOracle60 on September 27, 2019, 10:53:59 am
no details of obit - or funeral. would think facebook wud be the best place to find info - or Bham Evening Mail for anyone wanting to pay their respects.



Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Sparks on September 28, 2019, 01:57:41 am
no details of obit - or funeral. would think facebook wud be the best place to find info - or Bham Evening Mail for anyone wanting to pay their respects.

That's this one: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/  — Nothing found about Eve Lung.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Mail
The newspaper was founded as the Birmingham Daily Mail in 1870 and was titled the Birmingham Evening Mail from 1967 until October 2005.

No results (so far) here, either: https://funeral-notices.co.uk/national
https://funeral-notices.co.uk/Birmingham+News/all-announcements
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Diana on September 28, 2019, 05:46:15 am
I looked up her daughter's birth notice in the UK and her maiden name is Dodd. I'm not sure where Lung came from, it's an unusual name for sure. In English it's a variant of Long and comes from Germany and French Lunge. In Chinese it means dragon. So go figure.
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: educatedindian on September 29, 2019, 12:33:00 pm
I doubt AO is making up Dodd/Lung's death. It seems to me we should do one last search to see if she "trained" others in falsehoods and they naively cite her. If none come up, we can move it to Archives.

No doubt, she will have to face her creator and account for her career of many years of deception and harm.
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: Sparks on October 01, 2019, 05:41:00 pm
That's this one: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/  — Nothing found about Eve Lung.

Except a short mention in 2015 (no photo):

Quote from: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/family-kids-news/elves-orcs-flocked-middle-earth-9997490
Eve Lung didn’t have far to travel from her Moseley home to appear as Morgana a pagan priestess …
Title: Re: Eve Lung aka Eve Gray Wolf aka Eve Grey Wolf - UK Ceremony Seller / Exploiter
Post by: educatedindian on October 03, 2019, 05:56:00 pm
no details of obit - or funeral. would think facebook wud be the best place to find info - or Bham Evening Mail for anyone wanting to pay their respects.

Can you tell us how long you knew her? Did she train you or others in what she claimed to know?