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debbieredbear:
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/essays/

Barnaby_McEwan:
What a welcome change that was! I'm a bit concerned that the author seems to be quoting approvingly from the Asatru Folk Assembly's website. I'm sure she wouldn't want to be handing out good PR for a bunch of bearded, cloak-wearing, white-supremacist nutbars, so I emailed her a couple of links, and invited her to this forum. The links:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=451

http://www.wweek.com/html/cover042298.html

lizditz:
Thanks for the heads-up.  I had searched, but not to the point of due-diligence, on the Asatru.  

For a completely off-topic comment(s)

1. Harry Turtledove's "The Case of the Toxic Spell-Dump" which is a SF fantasy in which, well, Magic works and is based on one's ancestry.  The heroes are saved in part by a Lithuanian fellow who is the manager of the dump, who invokes his ancestral deity.

2.  All of Terry Pratchett's novels, some of which lampoon wanna-bes.

Barnaby_McEwan:
Howdy Liz.

I expect you've come across 'Asatruar' or 'Heathens', who show at least rhetorical opposition to the racism within their own scene, for example:

http://home.earthlink.net/~wodensharrow/hah.html

However even the anti-racist end of this scene continuously refers to racists like Guido 'von' List (he was not of an aristocratic family: the 'von' resulted from his delusions of grandeur) as if they were simply antiquarian revivalists.

On List, see Goodrick-Clarke, Nicholas. The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology. London: Tauris Parke. 2004. ISBN 1860649734. Especially Chapter 3.

Like the rest of neo-paganism, Asatru is built on Romantic tosh about the past. Ironically, romanticising 'barbarian' peoples is a much older European tradition than the various flavours of neo-paganism. For this, see Lovejoy, Arthur O. and George Boas. Primitivism and Related Ideas in Antiquity. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. 1997. ISBN 0 8018 5611 6.

Here you'll find people like Seneca and Julius Caesar writing about the Germans in much the same way as some modern Germans write about Indians: another irony.

VHawkins:
howdy Liz,

What exactly are you sayin' about Neo-Nazi's in the essay? I was born confused, so don't take it personal. :)

It is a shame some nut like Hitler and his band o' goons & idiots, or what ever you wanna call 'em -- idiots is fine by me :) -- used European history to propogate their "Aryan" nonsense. I guess he was the "supreme" newage fanatical guru of his era. I never thought of it that way before . . . hmmm . . .

I have an uncle (Eual Lee Hawkins, b. 1927 on a farm nine miles from Manitou, Oklahoma [metropolous of 200 about souls on a good day during wheat or cotton harvest season, when the wheat combines and cotton modules show up with their crews] -- he was barely 17 years old) -- he was killed late in the Normandy battles in July 1944. They were poor farmers. Dad used to say he walked a mile or 2 to school barefoot, cause he didn't have any shoes at times during the Dust Bowl/Depression. My poor ol' feet wouldn't last, I don't think. :)

I heard Uncle Eual Lee was sent to the front prematurely -- even before his training was done -- they just wanted bodies I suppose, and he was killed practically the same day that he showed up at the front. I was told  grandma was bitter, angry, heartbroken -- about that till she died, never forgiving the government. She never spoke about it to me, but I was just a kid -- she died when I was 10.

Whenever I hear anything about the Nazis I always think of my Uncle, whom I never got to meet, and the life he never got to live.

Vance

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