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Serafin Bermudez de la Cruz AKA Dabadi Thaayrohyadi alleged Toltec
frederica:
Darlene Courchene and Gilles Novaks are both First Nations, Canada.
bls926:
This thread caught my interest, maybe cause it reminded me of Rachel Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum. That whole "Heartbeat of Mother Earth", a drumming vigil to heal and bring the world back into alignment sounded a lot like Holzwarth and the Whirling Rainbow Foundation. I did a little research and found some interesting sites that were talking about the 8,000 Drums Ceremony last spring.
Sure enough, Holzwarth was promoting it on her website:
Whirling Rainbow Foundation and Grandmother Drum
--- Quote ---March 20/21st Spring Equinox Sounding of 8,000 Drums: In 2004, the Otomi Elders of Mexico announced their ancient prophecy, “When the Sound of 8,000 Drums would be heard, the Earth would begin Her Renewal.??? They sent a call out to the world community to join them in this worldwide drumming vigil. This event is growing each year and will be held until 2012. To join the event in Mexico or become a host site see www. indigeousuniversity.oirg/sacred_drums/htm
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http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/global.htm
The International Indigenous University seems a little New Age to me:
The International Indigenous University
--- Quote ---Institution of Science and Ancestral Wisdom
of the Indigenous Nations
for the Development of Humanity
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http://www.indigenousuniversity.org/
The International Indigenous University presents
The Ceremony of 8,000 Sacred Drums
March 21, 2008
Otomi Ceremonial Center
Temoaya, Mexico
According to a Sacred Prophecy revealed at the Otomi Ceremonial Center by the Otomi Elder Sages as a Vision of our Venerable Ancestors, the day when the sounds of 8,000 Sacred Drums join together will be the beginning of the healing of Mother Earth, of all the species and the human family in order to be able to live together on the road to Sacred Peace.
It is time to unify ourselves and rediscover all the seeds of the Four Directions in order to reactivate cosmic energy, heal historical wounds and heal Mother Earth by respecting life, liberty and the dignity of our Peoples. The first great ceremony was held March 21, 2004 in Temoaya, Mexico and there will be drum circles joined around the world on the Spring Equinox continuing every year until 2012.
Sacred Principles:
* Sealing and healing the wounded vertices of Mother Earth is urgent.
* Identifying and activating the Indigenous energy centers at sacred places is our duty.
* Planting and strengthening consciousness of love and respect for our Mother Earth is everyone's work.
* The Indigenous ancestral recommendation to create and practice the Grand Culture of Peace and Life is fundamental.
* Recognition of the use of the energy and healing properties of our sacred instruments is a principle goal of our Indigenous Mission.
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Dear Sacred Drummers,
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
All the First Nations, Indigenous Peoples and Humanity
We invite you to join your sacred drumbeat into the Grand Ceremony of the 8,000 Sacred Drums on March 21st, 2008 (10 am to 12 noon CST from Mexico City) that will take place in the Otomi Olmec Toltec Teotihuacan Nation and in many locations around the world to aid in the healing of Mother Earth and our Peoples.
We also invite you to come to Mexico for this extraordinary experience and to stay for the Congress of Cosmic Sound and the Ancestral Retreat held during this time. Many people from around the world will be joining us. You can also participate in a drumming circle from your home, community or traditional lands to add to the heartbeat of this healing ceremony. Please stay in communication with us and inform us of how many drums come together, so that we can get a count of the drums.
We would like to hear from you.
* How many drums will join in your circle in your community?
* Where are you located?
* Do you have a contact person?
Thank you for your assistance. We are gathering this information to document our efforts and the fulfillment of the prophecy given by the Otomi Olmec Toltec Teotihuacan ancestors to the Otomi Elders of Central Mexico. Please send us any information, pictures and words about your experience.
We are all related!
Many Blessings and Jamadi!
For more details, travel information and to register, contact:
Mexico - 011-52-722-773-2240 or informes@universidadindigena.org and info@indigenousuniversity.org
Very Important News from the Elders Council of the Otomi Nation
* Our drum ceremony will take place between 10 a.m. and 12 noon, Mexico City time (CST); you may synchronize with us by drumming at that time.
* There has been some confusion about when to begin drumming from other locations. Here at the Otomi ceremonial site in Temoaya, Mexico, the Ceremony of 8,000 Drums will be from dawn to dusk on the 21st, beginning with a morning ceremony at dawn. Our original intent was to have as many people as possible drumming and praying in at the exact same time. We will be drumming from 10 am to 12 noon, Mexico City time (CST). We hope those of you in nearby time zones will be able to synchronize your ceremony with ours. However, we realize that this may not be possible for everyone, in that case please offer your drumming, songs and prayers at any time; people from all over the world will be participating at different times, you will be in synch with others somewhere!
http://www.indigenousuniversity.org/sacred_drums.htm
A definite New Age site:
Health Body Spirit
Esse Enterprises
--- Quote ---Yes, it's almost Equinox, again. This year I am passing along a world-wide drumming event to take place on 21 March 2008, the full moon, though it is the day after Equinox. It is honestly amazing how synchronous doing this is. I will be drumming on the Equinox, which “officially??? is March 20th at 1:48EDT (00:48 CST,) meaning, we start on the 19th. For those of you who can,
Email and newsletters will be functional again, soon.
Drumming information: Gilles Novaks, who is a Montagnais Indian from Montreal, asked to get as many Tribal people to participate in a world-wide ceremony called the "8,000 Drums." He was contacted by two Huron Clan Grandmothers from Canada and asked to help spread the word to all Indians everywhere. It will take place March 21, 2008 at 12:00 noon MEXICO time. Don't know the time-tables, yet. All you need to do is play a drum alone or with a group or have the whole Tribe participate. The purpose is to fulfill the OTOMI Prophecy. The Otomi's are Mayan Olmec and Toltec descendants. The drums will be played so The Creator will hear us and grant our wishes as we pray for help in the Healing Process of our Mother Earth. The other races of people are destroying Her and our Mother Earth needs our prayers.
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http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:1ERM--xxP9gJ:www.healthbodyspirit.com/+Gilles+Novaks&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
Shirley MacLaine's froum:
Encounter Board - ShirleyMacLaine.com
8000 Drums Healing Ceremony
thread started by ojorose 3/21/08
http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?t=208076
bls926:
tribe.net
--- Quote ---The Ceremony of 8,000 Sacred Drums Tue, March 18, 2008 - 9:04 PM
(passed on to me from someone in California..)
The International Indigenous University Presents:
The Ceremony of 8,000 Sacred Drums
8,000 DRUMS on March 21 at noon / central time
Gilles Novaks who is a Montagnais Indian from Montreal is a Medicine Man and a Healer. He wants to get as many Tribal people to participate in a worldwide ceremony called the '8,000 Drums'. He was contacted by two Huron Clan Grandmothers from Canada and they asked him to help spread the word to all Indians everywhere.
It will take place on March 21, 2008 at 12:00 noon central time. (10 am Pacific DT/ 1:00 pm Eastern DT)
All you need to do is play a drum either alone, or with a group or have the whole Tribe participate. The purpose is to fulfill the OTOMI PROPHECY. The Otomi's are Mayan Olmec and Toltec descendants. The drums will be played so that the Creator will hear us and grant our wishes as we pray for help in the Healing Process of our Mother Earth. ...
[P]eople are destroying Her and our Mother Earth needs our prayers.
Thank you.
Ewo-wox-co-dah-wa.
The International Indigenous University presents
The Ceremony of 8,000 Sacred Drums
March 21, 2006
Otomi Ceremonial Center
Temoaya, Mexico
According to a Sacred Prophecy revealed at the Otomi Ceremonial Center by the Otomi Elder Sages as a Vision of our Venerable Ancestors, the day when the sounds of 8,000 Sacred Drums join together will be the beginning of the healing of Mother Earth, of all the species and the human family in order to be able to live together on the road to Sacred Peace. It is time to unify ourselves and rediscover all the seeds of the Four Directions in order to reactivate cosmic energy, heal historical wounds and heal Mother Earth by respecting life, liberty and the dignity of our Peoples. The first great ceremony was held March 21, 2004 in Temoaya, Mexico and there will be drum circles joined around the world on the Spring Equinox continuing every year until 2012.
Sacred Principles:
~>Sealing and healing the wounded vertices of Mother Earth is urgent.
~>Identifying and activating the Indigenous energy centers at sacred places is our duty.
~>Planting and strengthening consciousness of love and respect for our Mother Earth is everyone's work.
~>The Indigenous ancestral recommendation to create and practice the Grand Culture of Peace and Life is fundamental.
~>Recognition of the use of the energy and healing properties of our sacred instruments is a principle goal of our Indigenous Mission.
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Prophecies...
~>500 year-old Otomi Prophecy...When 8000 sacred drums play together, an intense healing of Mother Earth will commence.
~>Inca... Call it the 'Age of Meeting Ourselves Again'.
~>Hopi... Predict a 25 year period of purification followed by End of Fourth World and beginning of the Fifth.
~>Mayan... Call it the 'end days' or the end of time as we know it
~>Maori... Say that as the veils dissolve there will be a merging of the physical & spiritual worlds.
~>Zulu... Believe that the whole world will be turned upside down.
~>Hindu... Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.
~>Aztec... Call this the Time of the Sixth Sun. A time of transformation. Creation of new race.
~>Pueblo... Acknowledge it'll be the emergence into the Fifth World
~>Cherokee... Their ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012 as does the Mayan calendar.
~>Tibetan... Kalachakra teachings are prophesies left by Buddha predicting Coming of the Golden Age.
~>Egypt... According to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), present time cycle ends in year 2012 AD
~>Dogon... Say that the spaceship of the visitors, the Nommo, will return in the form of a blue star.
****** www.universidadindigena.org/uii/....html
*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*
'Don't ask yourself what the world needs.
Ask yourself what makes you come alive,
and then go do that.
Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive.'
-- Harold Thurman Whitman
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see also:
lightline.blogspot.com/2008/0...ed.html
www.timeofthesixthsun.com/index.php
www.timeofthesixthsun.com/index.php
www.paganspace.net/profiles/blog/show
sunchildren.ning.com/forum/topic/show
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 9:04 PM - permalink - 0 Comments
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A member of this group - Calls himself a "Practicing Shaman"
--- Quote ---Glenn
47 friends
12 photos in album
joined on 11/13/07
last updated 01/09/08
The Self Preservation Society
Gender Male
Location United Kingdom
about me Practicing Shaman
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New Age Spirituality
--- Quote ---#1 of 3 Posted Mar-7 4:53 AM
This morning I received this notification, which I felt would interest some of you:
8,000 DRUMS on March 21 at Noon
LET US STAND TOGETHER AS ONE PROUD UNITED NATION!
This special event will take place 12 noon EST.
It is also a full moon that day and spring equinox is March 20, 2008
(eg. if you are on the west coast, your time will be 10am
this will be your time to be aligned with us here in EST etc. etc.)
HELLO, GREETINGS, ANIIN, TANSI, HAN, HAKODA!!
Darlene Courchene was contacted by my friend Gilles Novaks who is a Montagnais Indian from Montreal. He is a Medicine Man and a Healer. He asked me to get as many Tribal people to participate in a worldwide ceremony called the "8,000 Drums". He was contacted by two Huron Clan Grandmothers from up there in Canada and they asked him to help spread the word to all Indians everywhere. It will take place on March 21, 2008 at 12:00 noon. All you need to do is play a drum either alone, or with a group or have the whole Tribe participate. The purpose is to fulfill the OTOMI PROPHECY. The Otomi's are Mayan Olmec and Toltec descendants.
The drums will be played so that the Creator will hear us and grant our wishes as we pray for help in the Healing Process of our Mother Earth.
(Note: Okay, I will look up the Otomi Prophecy).
~Greensleeves~
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Moma_porcupine:
--- Quote ---The drums will be played so that the Creator will hear us and grant our wishes as we pray for help in the Healing Process of our Mother Earth.
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That attitude is why the whole New Age philosophy seems so dishonest . The New Age so often seems to do nothing except give a way to keep taking taking taking without feeling responsible or changing anything - all people have to do is drum and pretend some magical indigenous ceremony will fix it all for them .
And though the 8000 drum event seems silly and not really based on any true indigenous traditions or prophesies, the aforementioned Atlantean Healing Certification Program this same group puts on is the real New Age eye popper...
bls926:
On YouTube
--- Quote ---8,000 Drums March 21 '08 12:00 pm Mountain Time 2:00 pm EST
From: MadRazorRay
Added: March 10, 2008
Further UPDATE March 21 2008 10am - 12:00 noon Mountain Time 2:00 pm Eastern Standard time
Grand Ceremony of the 8,000 Sacred Drums
EIGHT THOUSAND SACRED DRUMS
FOR THE HEALING OF THE MOTHER EARTH
AND ENSURE LIFE AND PEACE WORLDWIDE.
Grand Ceremony of the 8,000 Sacred drums on March 21st, 2008 (10 am to noon local time from Mexico City) will take place in the Otomi Olmec Toltec Teotihuacan Nation and in many locations around the world to aid in the healing of Mother Earth and our Peoples.
Some associates in this project are the women drumming circle of Wendake Huron nation and Gilles Moashk Kovacs (not...Gilles Novaksa ...correction from the earlier email to me)
***From an email message***
PLEASE DO YOUR PART AND FORWARD TO ALL OF OUR RED NATIONS...
SUPPORT ALL OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS...
LET US STAND TOGETHER AS ONE PROUD UNITED NATION!
Passing along the word to bring healing for our Mother Earth
This special event will take place 12 noon EST.
It is also a full moon that day and spring equinox (which is March 20, 2008).
8,000 DRUMS on March 21st at Noon
HELLO, GREETINGS, ANIIN, TANSI, HAN, HAKODA!!
Darlene Courchene was contacted by Gilles Novaks who is a Montagnais Indian from Montreal .
He is a Medicine Man and a Healer. He has asked that we get as many Tribal people to participate in a worldwide ceremony called the "8,000 Drums"as possible.
He was contacted by two Huron Clan Grandmothers from up there in Canada and they asked him to help spread the word to all Indians everywhere.
It will take place on March 21, 2008 at 12:00 noon.
All you need to do is play a drum either alone, or with a group or have the whole Tribe participate.
The purpose is to fulfill the OTOMI PROPHECY. The Otomi's are Mayan Olmec and Toltec descendants.
The drums will be played so that the Creator will hear us and grant our wishes as we pray for help in the Healing Process of our Mother Earth. People are destroying Her and our Mother Earth needs our prayers.
Thank you.
Ewo-wox-co-dah-wa.
Category: News & Politics
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlR8oFPPyY
All these people had been posting about this 8000 Drum Ceremony and saying Darlene Courchene and Gilles Novaks were involved in getting the word out. Some even called Gilles Novaks their friend. The real person behind this in North America was Gilles Moashk Kovacs.
www.FIRSTNATIONCULTURE.com
Gilles Moashk Kovacs
http://www.cultureautochtone.com/home.html
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