Author Topic: Tiospaye Durango, MakingRelatives.org, Della Romero  (Read 26386 times)

Offline Water

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2018, 11:29:38 pm »
I told Crystal who is Lakota, that the red road is not for sale. I’m not Lakota, but I know, and it’s why I’m speaking here.

Piff

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2018, 01:11:44 am »
Della M Romero identifies as Pueblo and Ute: https://www.fhwisdomkeepers.org/elders

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Della Romero (Flies High) has followed the Lakota Ways as a Sun Dancer, a supporter, and a participator of Lakota ceremonial life.   She served her teacher, Southern Ute Grandmother Bertha Grove (Red Earth Woman) for 20 years as a ‘helper’.

Recent retirement from Southern Ute Community Action Programs : http://www.sudrum.com/health/2017/12/08/romero-retires/

Water, are Crystal Wolfchild and Monica Colvig her actual biological daughters? If Crystal is Lakota, I am assuming through her father? Is Monica also?

Is this group telling people that they are "making relatives" of their followers/victims?

Offline Diana

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2018, 04:47:45 am »
Piff, this Della Romero does not pass the smell test. As with most phonies and fakes her "Tribal affiliations" are generic and vague. Which Ute Tribe is she from and there are over 19 Pueblo Tribes in New Mexico. Which one is hers? I'm not buying it

Also from Sudrum.com, if you read the small blurb about her retirement it doesn't say she's a Tribal member....it just says she worked "with" the Southern Ute Tribe. And if she had been from "any" other Tribe they would have mentioned it

Here's the entire article?? Della Romero celebrates her retirement Wednesday, Dec. 6 after working for 15 years with Southern Ute Community Action Programs. Tribal Services Director, Loren Sekayumptewa gifted Romero with a small white elephant, which holds significance to her Tribe, and a blessing at her retirement party.
I highlighted some strange sentences that doesn't make sense. The one about her work with the Southern Ute Tribe and the one where the director gifts her an a small white elephant which holds significance to her Tribe???? WTF!? This woman doesn't make sense

One more thing, she has the ugly and very bad black hair dye job. Sure sign she's a big ol' fake. Lol...





Della M Romero identifies as Pueblo and Ute: https://www.fhwisdomkeepers.org/elders

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Della Romero (Flies High) has followed the Lakota Ways as a Sun Dancer, a supporter, and a participator of Lakota ceremonial life.   She served her teacher, Southern Ute Grandmother Bertha Grove (Red Earth Woman) for 20 years as a ‘helper’.

Recent retirement from Southern Ute Community Action Programs : http://www.sudrum.com/health/2017/12/08/romero-retires/

Water, are Crystal Wolfchild and Monica Colvig her actual biological daughters? If Crystal is Lakota, I am assuming through her father? Is Monica also?

Is this group telling people that they are "making relatives" of their followers/victims?

Offline Water

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2018, 03:44:48 pm »
Yes that is interesting, isn’t it.

Piff

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2018, 03:58:55 pm »
Thanks Diana, yeah I wondered about this too.

Wonder what else we're going to find out about this group.

I've started looking over the trainers and some show up in online reports about fraud, when they were working prior schemes. The entire operation looks very dodgy.

Offline Water

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2018, 04:19:42 pm »
Our trainers were Silvia, Krista, and Roger. I believe they they all worked for MITT. Roger did, when I did my training. Silvia, and Krista started their own groups, that participants usually go on to do. They are her biological children, though they may have different fathers, I’m not sure. Their brother is a sun dancer, I believe.

Offline Water

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2018, 04:24:04 pm »
We were told that Tiospaye means making relatives, and yes Tiospaye is a big family, and they are very loyal to Crystal.

Piff

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2018, 04:43:53 pm »
We were told that Tiospaye means making relatives, and yes Tiospaye is a big family, and they are very loyal to Crystal.

Is Crystal basically the charismatic leader?

Is there an inner circle, other than the trainers?

Offline Water

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2018, 05:30:08 pm »
Crystal was a make up artist in California, she did a training, MITT I believe. She decided her vision was to bring it to Durango. She is the founder of Tiospaye, and the owner, along with her mother, and sister, which is just a spin off, tweaked a little. After you complete training, you can become a part of the program. A senior coach, a captain, and be on the board. You have to be selected though. It’s very odd, and rare to see these programs in such small communities, and to have those specific trainers come here. The are usually reserved to big cities.

Piff

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2018, 10:32:00 pm »
On Crystal Wolfchild's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/crystal.wolfchild she lists training at MITT at Marina del Ray California.

MITT is a spin off of Lifespring. MITT (Mastery in Transformational Training) https://www.mittraining.com/. The company has not responded to two complaints filed with Better Business Bureau https://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/self-improvement-coach/mitt-in-culver-city-ca-13193156

Some analysis of MITT http://old.freedomofmind.com/Info/infoDet.php?id=123 . There are many negative reviews online.

Crystal Wolfchild and Della Romero are also coaches in "The Community Leadership Foundation". http://clfnm.org/coaches Tuition to work up to coach level looks to be several thousand dollars.

Offline Water

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2018, 11:27:50 pm »
My training was $2,300 for level one, advanced and leadership. Yes, spinoffs from Lifespring, and EST, with roots in Scientology. They are trying to hold a world leadership conference here, and build their own facilities.

Piff

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2018, 01:14:58 am »
Preliminary work on the heritage of Della Romero and family:

Silverton Colorado 2010:

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Romero's Restaurant y Cantina had 10 employees working Sunday, all of them related to the Romero family.

One of them, Crystal Wolfchild, came from Encino, Calif., to help out. Family and friends who came within 20 feet of the restaurant were roped into working, she said.

https://durangoherald.com/articles/11995

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Business started by Lucy and George Romero, which have both passed away.

https://mobilerving.com/business-preview/romeros-restaurant

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ROMERO,  GEORGE
  -  Husband  of  Maria  de  la  Luz  Montoya  “Lucy”;  Father  of  Della,  Glenda, Georgann, Berna, Melva, Marlene and Eli Romero; Son of Natividad Romero - Feb 2, 1923 - Feb 27, 1995

ROMERO, MARIA DE LA LUZ MONTOYA “LUCY”
Wife of George Romero, Mother of Della Romero, Glenda Romero, Georgann Romero Valdez, Bernadette
Romero  Ernst,  Melva  Jean  Romero  Caveness,  Marlene  Romero  Archuleta  and  Eli  Romero,  Daughter  of
Fermin and Delubina Montoya  -  July 25, 1928 – Dec 8, 2002 

Buried at Hillside Cemetery, Silverton, San Juan County, Colorado, USA http://www.silvertonhillside.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Hillside_R.pdf

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/96729989/george-romero

Piff

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2018, 02:20:23 am »
Parents of Della M Romero are George Romero (son of Natividad Romero) and Maria de la Luz Montoya  “Lucy” (daughter  of Fermin and Delubina Montoya).

1940 did not have designations for what is now variously listed as Mexican, Mexican American, Chicano, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Another Hispanic, Latino, Spanish origin.

It did have Indian which is now American Indian or Alaska Native.

Both the Romeros and the Montoyas are listed as white. Not Indian.

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From 1790 to 1950, census takers determined the race of the Americans they counted, sometimes taking into account how individuals were perceived in their community
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/06/11/chapter-1-race-and-multiracial-americans-in-the-u-s-census/

1940 census:

George Romero, 17 years old in 1940 census, born New Mexico, parents Victor and Natividad. Everyone born in New Mexico, everyone listed white. 1940 location Los Pinos, Rio Arriba, New Mexico.

Luz Montoya, 10 years old in 1940 census, born Colorado, parents Fermin and Delubina Montoya. Everyone born in Colorado, everyone listed white. 1940 location Conejos, Colorado.

I used https://www.familysearch.org/search for this, unfortunately you now need a free account before doing any searches.



Offline Water

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2018, 02:51:59 am »
I had heard something similar to that.

Piff

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Re: Tiospaye
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2018, 02:54:48 am »
Crystal Dawn Wolfchild was born in 1981, mother Romero, father I believe has surname Wolfchild.

I believe that her father says that he "grew up on the Lower Sioux Indian Reservation".

https://www.inforum.com/news/4105720-sioux-wants-supreme-court-grant-them-promised-land-heart-minnesota

Photo from http://makingrelatives.org/about-us-2/

He may be Sheldon Peters Wolfchild https://www.inforum.com/news/4105720-sioux-wants-supreme-court-grant-them-promised-land-heart-minnesota

Even if Crystal has Lakota heritage - her family company is straight up New Age with a thin veneer of pretendian. http://makingrelatives.org/