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earthw7:
And we know we travel from the tip of South America up the coast of mexico
to the Mississippi River to Michigan then into Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and today
South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana

tuschkahouma:
I remember heading northeast near Oconto, Wisconsin on my way to Escanaba, MI, in 2002, from the Menominee and Stockbridge
reservations and there was a historical marker speaking of an Ojibwe-Dakota battle. That's how I know about the previous battle.
As for the South Dakota Lakota stories you all were there way before the 1700's which most wasichu historians hold as the time
when Lakota came onto the Plains. I remember the first time I heard the Blackfoot eastern Sioux story from a person of white/
black/saponi ancestry. It was in Topeka, KS in 1991. I know that the Blackfoot or Piegan people were from Montana and I was
skeptical as you are. I don't think that these people are asserting that they are from the Blackfoot Lakota in the Dakotas.
I've heard the supposed bs stories like you have and I've come to the idea that Blackfoot was some generic name for mixed
blood people in the Carolinas and Virginia in the 1700's. The Manahoac, Moneton, Monacan, Ocaneechi, Tutelo, Nahyssan,
and Saponi peoples were forced from their lands after the Bacon Rebellion in 1677 in the Virginia and Carolina area. There
were small communities of Siouan people that reconfigured themselves as settlers and slaves came into this area throughout
the 17th and 18th centuries. There are mixed white and Indian and mixed white, black, and Indian communities all along the
Southeast US coast. You are correct in stating that many of them don't know their histories. However, they were the first
indigenous people in the way of colonists and they were overran and in the process much of the culture that the Plains Dakota
have because you all were strong and moved west was lost by these people as the colonists overran them on their way west.
Many of them are pan-tribal from the pictures of their pow-wows. They are lucky to have identity left at all since none of the
eastern siouan tribes had the ability to make treaties with the US. Most of the local southerners drove them to the crappiest
lands near or in the swamps. In closing I have much respect for Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota culture. In the Summer of 2000
I went from the Little Bighorn Battlefield to Lame Deer and Lodge Grass down past the battlefield that happened just before
Little Bighorn. I went back to Wyoming and went to the Medicine Wheel and then to Bear Butte and into the Paha Sapa.
I went to Pine Ridge, White Clay, and Wounded Knee. All of this in a week that left me with a profound memory of it.
I consider myself fortunate to have met people like Billy Mills, Vine DeLoria, Jr., John Trudell, and Russell Means in the last fifteen years.
I respect what you say.

earthw7:
Thank you

E.P. Grondine:

--- Quote from: earthw7 on February 15, 2011, 09:52:53 pm ---Saponi in VA, NC, and SC
Waccamauw Siouan in NC

I am not sure if there has been evidence that these groups are relatived
to us I have been doing research on these groups for a long time and I can
not find any evidence that to the stories they tell are true. I have our oral stories that show we have never been in the east coast we traveled as far as the Mississippi River. We know that as we traveled up the Mississippi River our people broke off from the Nation which was the Dakota. So that is how i know the Biloxi are a part of us. I have to laugh when i hear the stories from the so called Saponi because they always say they are descendant of the Blackfeet-Lakota people but the band was not created until the middle 1700s so i would prefer you leave them off my list thank you. 

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Hi earthw7 -

The Siouxian peoples are very ancient, and those nations are indeed related, but very anciently. What those nations remembered was and is true.

You are speaking for eastern Siouxian peoples, and as you point out they became different than western Siouxian peoples.

What occurred was a climate collapse in western North America around 1100 CE, so bad that peoples living to the west of the Mississippi River had to move east, or all would die; men, women and children. 

From what I understand of the eastern histories and the archaeological record, the Monacan accompanied the Lenape east, while the Catawba and Saponi accompanied the Kushita, Chicasa, Choctaw, and Abikhas east.

That's how those Siouxian peoples ended up in the east.

Or at least the Cherokee so remembered, and so do the Shawnee.

Even throwing out Rafinesque's account entirely, we still have the Heckewelder and Sutton fragments of Lenape history, and their lock with the archaeological record still remains.

It is interesting that pipes from Minnesota pipestone are regularly found at Lenape sites and Monacan sites, but not at Shawnee sites.

E.P. Grondine:

--- Quote from: educatedindian on February 13, 2011, 02:44:33 pm ---Thanks. Do you have contact information for any of these eastern Siouan groups? I know it may be more difficult as some of these groups, esp in the southeast, are not fed recognized. Though unlike the other case we've been discussing, there's little doubt the majority of them are who they say they are.

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And thank you, Educated Indian. You've repeated what I've tried to say for quite some time: the situation in the east is different than in the west.

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